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<blockquote data-quote="Pizziesta" data-source="post: 8114160" data-attributes="member: 18310"><p>What i wanted to know is your standard on this. </p><p></p><p>Anyway, you are basically asking How God Almighty came to exist? </p><p></p><p>- Indeed, we know nothing can come out of nothing, so that original intelligent power didn't come from nothing.</p><p></p><p>- We all experience a power and our experience is the proof of its existence. (We know that there is/was an original force - without which even 'big bang' couldn't happen)</p><p></p><p>- So there is this Power for sure, yet it didn't come out of nothing.</p><p></p><p>So this is a power which didn't come from nothing but through a different way - Possession of self power or any other way.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>I'm sorry if i sounded arrogant. But me being a Muslim, i know what it really teaches and the misconceptions created by haters, just like you would try to defend those claims about your practicing faith, that are not your faith's at all.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The stuff that i have researched includes the angels and demons being a book influenced by Illuminati to fool people. That's why i said it.</p><p></p><p>Anyway i don't know what's your view point about real illuminati yet. Of course, there are various believes about them. So we can put up those materials that made us believe what we believe as the truth, and then discuss. Anyone could be wrong, and there are plenty of learning opportunities.</p><p></p><p>You can start off by pointing out claims that you believe on them. </p><p></p><p>So, then i can arrange my view point and answer according. If not, i will have to put up all those things which could be unnecessary for this discussion. <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/default/confused.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" data-shortname=":confused:" /></p><p></p><p>Thanks. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ok, let's clear them out.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes. Everything is happening according to God's Will. But you must understand what i mean by God's Will, and the whole concept. God's Will includes a mastermind testing plan, that connects every action of ours into one another. </p><p></p><p>In that very testing plan, we are given a freedom to act upon our decisions and actions - to obey Him or disobey Him. That is free will. </p><p></p><p>It never contradict. If i say it is God's Will, then you say there are no chances for our free will. If i say, it is our will that creates every other actions, then you say that it is not God Almighty's. <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/default/happy.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Happy :)" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Once you completely understood the concept, you will get to know that it is not as simple as, yes or no. </p><p></p><p>Everything happens to HIS decree - From the gravity that holds us onto the earth to the choices we get to choose.</p><p></p><p>Our free will - Those choices which God Almighty has given us through his Will - Here we have the full freedom to choose whatever we want. </p><p></p><p>Anyway, hope the following will give you a much clearer idea.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm sorry i have made a mistake before in explaining. Anyway hope things will be clear now. This is a complex question that needs to define what we believe as God's Will, which is a concept. If not, there are always chances for misconceptions. Hopefully, this will answer every other questions related to this matter. </p><p></p><p><strong>THE WHOLE LIFE AND THE END IS NOT PRE-DESTINED. - But only Main Things! Such as;</strong> </p><p></p><p>- Birth</p><p>- Death</p><p>- Good / Bad health</p><p>- Information regarding, "The Message" to that person.</p><p></p><p><strong>REST OF THE LIFE IS HOW <u>WE BUILD OUR LIFE</u>, THROUGH THE DECISIONS AND ACTIONS WE MAKE.</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p>Here, we grow up and acquire the means to happiness or misery. We are given the ability to make choices after the age of puberty and we will later be punished or rewarded based upon them.</p><p></p><p>God Almighty gives each of us the natural Fitrah - knowledge of good and bad as well as right and wrong. The rest is up to us. As the Quran says, <strong>"By the Soul, and the proportion and order given to it, and its enlightenment as to its wrong and its right--Truly he succeeds that purifies it, and he fails that corrupts it!"</strong> (91:7-10)</p><p></p><p></p><p>Eg; When someone don't study and fail an exam - He have failed as a result of his own failures - He would have used the 'time' given to him to study for other reasons which prevented him from passing the exam - He didn't fail because God Almighty wanted him to fail but for his decisions and actions.</p><p></p><p>Eg; When someone find difficulties in marriage - That person have chosen a life partner for beauty, money, etc and not for true love. - The difficulties that person finds in marriage are not pre-destined - Had he followed what God Almighty recommends in choosing a life partner, that person would have found happiness in the marriage. </p><p></p><p>Today, when a calamity strikes, most people think it is the Will of God Almighty, and puts blame on God, instead of their own disobedience. </p><p></p><p>Eg: A faithed person is asked by friends to drink Alcohol.</p><p></p><p>A true faithed person will always restrain from such acts. But some will do these acts a bit. Some fully. So when they chose the wrong path - to drink alcohol - all those problems are attached to it, will come into his/her life. </p><p></p><p>Eg of self created problems: People backbites and creates a bad relationship with their relatives, which causes a family brake up. The brake up was not pre-planned by God Almighty, but something happened because of their actions - to backbite. </p><p></p><p>Now these people are effected badly with the decisions they took, and their life style is changed. They can still choose good, by asking forgiveness from those people, and then from God Almighty. So whatever happens next in their life span, has a effect from the decisions they took. </p><p> </p><p></p><p><strong>TRIALS (FITNAS)</strong> - There are trials that sends upon people as a mean of testing, for many reasons depending on the status of faith the person posses.</p><p></p><p>But these trials and problems - that people create for themselves through disobedience, <u>are different.</u> </p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>BLESSINGS</strong> - There are blessings that Sends upon one's life, for various reasons, that are subjected him only or for those around him.</p><p></p><p>Eg; The blessing of knowledge from the early years - So, that person can learn and teach others. He can use his blessing (capability to learn very well) to benefit others. So those around him are arranged to get 'The Message' from him. If he fails by giving less effort or through disobedience, God Almighty will arrange another method, through which those group of people will get 'The Message'. </p><p></p><p><strong>SO THERE ARE BLESSINGS, AND OTHER FORMS OF TESTINGS, THAT ARE DESTINED ON ONE'S LIFE SPAN <u>ACCORDING TO THE DECISIONS AND ACTIONS HE MAKES</u>, WHICH THE PERSON CAN UTILIZE TO PASS THE TEST OR FAIL, THROUGH "HIS FREE WILL".</strong></p><p></p><p style="text-align: center">~~~~~~~~~~~~~</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>You would have heard people saying, 'Insha ALLAH! - God Willing' when talks about doing something in future.</strong></p><p></p><p>Eg; Going to school tomorrow - </p><p><strong>True concept:</strong> That person puts the trust in ALLAH, because he/she has to be alive tomorrow, and be able to come to school without being prevented from blessings, trials, corruptions from others, etc.</p><p></p><p>But that person MUST put the effort to come to school.</p><p></p><p><strong>False concept:</strong> People put blame on God Almighty for every reason without putting any effort. </p><p></p><p>Eg; That person is lazy to go to school and says only if God Almighty wants he/she will attend the classes.</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Conclusion Points</strong></p><p></p><p>- We have given knowledge of good - bad, right and wrong!</p><p></p><p>- We are set free to act upon our own decisions and actions, either to obey or disobey.</p><p></p><p>- Through those actions our life gets adjusted. </p><p></p><p>- EVERYTHING HAPPENING ARE GOVERNED BY GOD ALMIGHTY, causing blessings and trials, according to one's decisions and actions.</p><p></p><p><strong>Conclusion</strong></p><p></p><p>Everything is happening to a decree that God Almighty is allowing to happen, let it be Good or Evil - in the short term or long term, that since this is a 'test'.</p><p></p><p>Yes, Everything is happening to the Will Of God Almighty.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Pizziesta, post: 8114160, member: 18310"] What i wanted to know is your standard on this. Anyway, you are basically asking How God Almighty came to exist? - Indeed, we know nothing can come out of nothing, so that original intelligent power didn't come from nothing. - We all experience a power and our experience is the proof of its existence. (We know that there is/was an original force - without which even 'big bang' couldn't happen) - So there is this Power for sure, yet it didn't come out of nothing. So this is a power which didn't come from nothing but through a different way - Possession of self power or any other way. I'm sorry if i sounded arrogant. But me being a Muslim, i know what it really teaches and the misconceptions created by haters, just like you would try to defend those claims about your practicing faith, that are not your faith's at all. The stuff that i have researched includes the angels and demons being a book influenced by Illuminati to fool people. That's why i said it. Anyway i don't know what's your view point about real illuminati yet. Of course, there are various believes about them. So we can put up those materials that made us believe what we believe as the truth, and then discuss. Anyone could be wrong, and there are plenty of learning opportunities. You can start off by pointing out claims that you believe on them. So, then i can arrange my view point and answer according. If not, i will have to put up all those things which could be unnecessary for this discussion. :confused: Thanks. Ok, let's clear them out. Yes. Everything is happening according to God's Will. But you must understand what i mean by God's Will, and the whole concept. God's Will includes a mastermind testing plan, that connects every action of ours into one another. In that very testing plan, we are given a freedom to act upon our decisions and actions - to obey Him or disobey Him. That is free will. It never contradict. If i say it is God's Will, then you say there are no chances for our free will. If i say, it is our will that creates every other actions, then you say that it is not God Almighty's. :) Once you completely understood the concept, you will get to know that it is not as simple as, yes or no. Everything happens to HIS decree - From the gravity that holds us onto the earth to the choices we get to choose. Our free will - Those choices which God Almighty has given us through his Will - Here we have the full freedom to choose whatever we want. Anyway, hope the following will give you a much clearer idea. I'm sorry i have made a mistake before in explaining. Anyway hope things will be clear now. This is a complex question that needs to define what we believe as God's Will, which is a concept. If not, there are always chances for misconceptions. Hopefully, this will answer every other questions related to this matter. [B]THE WHOLE LIFE AND THE END IS NOT PRE-DESTINED. - But only Main Things! Such as;[/B] - Birth - Death - Good / Bad health - Information regarding, "The Message" to that person. [B]REST OF THE LIFE IS HOW [U]WE BUILD OUR LIFE[/U], THROUGH THE DECISIONS AND ACTIONS WE MAKE.[/B] Here, we grow up and acquire the means to happiness or misery. We are given the ability to make choices after the age of puberty and we will later be punished or rewarded based upon them. God Almighty gives each of us the natural Fitrah - knowledge of good and bad as well as right and wrong. The rest is up to us. As the Quran says, [B]"By the Soul, and the proportion and order given to it, and its enlightenment as to its wrong and its right--Truly he succeeds that purifies it, and he fails that corrupts it!"[/B] (91:7-10) Eg; When someone don't study and fail an exam - He have failed as a result of his own failures - He would have used the 'time' given to him to study for other reasons which prevented him from passing the exam - He didn't fail because God Almighty wanted him to fail but for his decisions and actions. Eg; When someone find difficulties in marriage - That person have chosen a life partner for beauty, money, etc and not for true love. - The difficulties that person finds in marriage are not pre-destined - Had he followed what God Almighty recommends in choosing a life partner, that person would have found happiness in the marriage. Today, when a calamity strikes, most people think it is the Will of God Almighty, and puts blame on God, instead of their own disobedience. Eg: A faithed person is asked by friends to drink Alcohol. A true faithed person will always restrain from such acts. But some will do these acts a bit. Some fully. So when they chose the wrong path - to drink alcohol - all those problems are attached to it, will come into his/her life. Eg of self created problems: People backbites and creates a bad relationship with their relatives, which causes a family brake up. The brake up was not pre-planned by God Almighty, but something happened because of their actions - to backbite. Now these people are effected badly with the decisions they took, and their life style is changed. They can still choose good, by asking forgiveness from those people, and then from God Almighty. So whatever happens next in their life span, has a effect from the decisions they took. [B]TRIALS (FITNAS)[/B] - There are trials that sends upon people as a mean of testing, for many reasons depending on the status of faith the person posses. But these trials and problems - that people create for themselves through disobedience, [U]are different.[/U] [B]BLESSINGS[/B] - There are blessings that Sends upon one's life, for various reasons, that are subjected him only or for those around him. Eg; The blessing of knowledge from the early years - So, that person can learn and teach others. He can use his blessing (capability to learn very well) to benefit others. So those around him are arranged to get 'The Message' from him. If he fails by giving less effort or through disobedience, God Almighty will arrange another method, through which those group of people will get 'The Message'. [B]SO THERE ARE BLESSINGS, AND OTHER FORMS OF TESTINGS, THAT ARE DESTINED ON ONE'S LIFE SPAN [U]ACCORDING TO THE DECISIONS AND ACTIONS HE MAKES[/U], WHICH THE PERSON CAN UTILIZE TO PASS THE TEST OR FAIL, THROUGH "HIS FREE WILL".[/B] [CENTER]~~~~~~~~~~~~~[/CENTER] [B]You would have heard people saying, 'Insha ALLAH! - God Willing' when talks about doing something in future.[/B] Eg; Going to school tomorrow - [B]True concept:[/B] That person puts the trust in ALLAH, because he/she has to be alive tomorrow, and be able to come to school without being prevented from blessings, trials, corruptions from others, etc. But that person MUST put the effort to come to school. [B]False concept:[/B] People put blame on God Almighty for every reason without putting any effort. Eg; That person is lazy to go to school and says only if God Almighty wants he/she will attend the classes. [B]Conclusion Points[/B] - We have given knowledge of good - bad, right and wrong! - We are set free to act upon our own decisions and actions, either to obey or disobey. - Through those actions our life gets adjusted. - EVERYTHING HAPPENING ARE GOVERNED BY GOD ALMIGHTY, causing blessings and trials, according to one's decisions and actions. [B]Conclusion[/B] Everything is happening to a decree that God Almighty is allowing to happen, let it be Good or Evil - in the short term or long term, that since this is a 'test'. Yes, Everything is happening to the Will Of God Almighty. [/QUOTE]
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