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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AncientGlory" data-source="post: 8123801" data-attributes="member: 262433">If it came from possession of self  power, that is saying A came from A, which supports again A was always  there. Since we already agreed that nothing can come out of nothing,  this cannot be true.  So this suggests GOD came from something superior.  Also It is quite simple and rational to think there was an original force.  But assuming this force is intelligent is in turn not so rational. Why  do you think it is intelligent?  No worries. It is perfectly alright  to assume that what you believe is true. Otherwise why would one believe  it? But it is not alright to claim this when discussing with a non  believer specially when "Is what you believe is true" is the topic of  the subject.I'm not claiming that I know more  about Illuminati, coz I do not. My point was again claiming what you  know is true, basing the research you did on internet(Specially since I also  have access to the same resources) is not credible. I specially wanted  to point out, whether a part of Illuminati or not, I have had encounters  with people who claim themselves "satanists"(They worship the devil,  only they call him an angel). So based on that real life experience I  have come to some conclusions about these devil worshipers, and therefor  my story about them should add a value to the discussion since you do  not have access to that resource.Anyway, this whole thing about Illuminati is not relevant IMO.So me being a non believer is GOD's will, is it not?But again what I do is his will is it not? Otherwise everything that happens will not be GOD's will. I cannot agree. On the contrary, I think it is as  simple as "yes" and "No". You answered the question with a "yes", didn't you??. I think  there is nothing difficult to grasp here. Within that free will frame,  whatever happens is still GODs will. Choices we get to choose? This does  not agree with your previous statement. If we have a choice to choose,  how can it be GOD's will? If the choice we make is GODs will, how can it  be a choice?If whole life and end is not pre-destined, that is whatever happen in the middle is based on individual preference(free will), it cannot be GODs will. So in this case whatever happens in between life is not GOD's will. The free will concept and Omnimax GOD contradicts again.</blockquote>

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