Why the Islam of Mohammed and the Early Muslims Says that Suicide Bombers Go to Hell

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    Suicide In Islam :
    (Why the Islam of Mohammed and the Early Muslims Says that Suicide Bombers Go to Hell)
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    [FONT=&quot]The hadiths of Sharia Islam unequivocally agree with each other, the Muwatta, and early Muslim history on the following: A Muslim who commits suicide goes to Hell. The only exception is that someone who did not mean to, but accidentally killed himself is not under this curse.[/FONT]


    [FONT=&quot]Quzman[/FONT][FONT=&quot], a Muslim Warrior in Hell[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]Bukhari[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot] vol.5 book 59 no.515 p.364 and vol.5 book 59 no.518 p.376 tell of a Muslim warrior, who was wounded seriously, so he took some arrows out of his quiver and killed himself and went to Hell. Here is the quote: Bukhari vol.5 book 59 no.515 p.364 “Narrated Abu Huraira : We witnessed (the battle of) Khaibar. Allah’s Apostle said about one of those who were with him and who claimed to be a Muslim, ‘This (man) is from the dwellers of the Hell-Fire.’ When the battle started, that fellow fought so violently and bravely that he received plenty of wounds. Some of the people were about to doubt ( the Prophet’s statement ), but the man, feeling the pain of his wounds, put his hand into his quiver and took out of it, some arrows with which he slaughtered himself (i.e. committed suicide). Then some men amongst the Muslims came hurriedly and said, ‘O Allah’s Apostle! Allah has made your statement true ; so-and-so has committed suicide.’ The Prophet said, ‘O so-and-so! Get up and make an announcement that none but a believer will enter Paradise and that Allah may support (this) religion with an unchaste (evil) wicked man.’”[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]A Muslim who was injured committed suicide. Mohammed did not pray over him like he did over other Muslims. Ibn-i-Majah vol.2 book 6 no.1526 p.409[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]Mohammed said a Muslim was destined for the fire. The Muslim fought bravely, received many wounds, and because of the pain committed suicide, so Mohammed was correct. Bukhari vol.8 book 77 no.603-604 p.393-395[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]Quzman[/FONT][FONT=&quot] was a warrior for the Muslims who committed suicide on account of his wounds. His act of suicide proved true Mohammed’s prophesy that he was one of the people of the hell-fire. al-Tabari vol.7 p.135-136[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]“…When we were in the thick of battle that man fought desperately and was wounded.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] It was said: Messenger of Allah, the person whom you at first called as a denizen of the Fire (Hell) fought desperately and died. Upon this the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) remarked: He was doomed to the Fire (of Hell). Some men were on the verge of doubt (about his fate) when it was said that he was not dead but fatally wounded. When it was night he could not stand the (pain of his) wound and killed himself.” Sahih Muslim vol.1 book 1 no.205 p.63[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]A Sick Man Who Cut His Finger Joints[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]A Muslim man came to Medina, fell sick, and cut his finger joints. Blood streamed until he died. Afterwards, Tufail son of ‘Amr saw him in a dream, and he was forgiven by Allah, and his hands were wrapped. Sahih Muslim vol.1 book 1 no.211 p.66[/FONT]


    [FONT=&quot]Muslims Who Commit Suicide Are Punished Eternally with What They Committed Suicide with[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]People who commit suicide go to Hell. Sahih Muslim vol.1 book 1 no.199,201,202 p.62.[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Suicide: “…He who killed himself with a thing would be tormented on the Day of Resurrection with that very thing….” Sahih Muslim vol.1 book 1 no.201 p.62[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]Those who commit suicide, by throwing themselves off of a mountain, poison, with an iron weapon, etc. will be punished eternally in Hell with what they used to kill themselves with. Bukhari vol.7 book 71 no.670 p.450-451[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]Those who commit suicide by falling from a height, poison, or stabbing go to Hell. Sunan Nasa’i vol.2 no.1969 p.496[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]A person who commits suicide by poison will sip the poison forever in Hell. Ibn-i-Majah vol.5 book 31 no.3460 p.16[/FONT]


    [FONT=&quot]General Warnings[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]Khalid bin Sa’d bin Nufayl would have killed himself if he knew it would release him from his sin and please Allah, but he testified that it was prohibited, so he did not. al-Tabari vol.20 p.84[/FONT]


    [FONT=&quot]‘Amir the Exception[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]‘Amir tried to strike a Jew, but the blade of his sword turned and he accidentally hit his own leg and died. The Muslims were fearful that ‘Amir’s deeds were lost (he would go to Hell) for committing suicide. However, Mohammed said that Amir got a double reward, so accidentally killing oneself does not send someone to Hell. Bukhari vol.5 book 59 no.509 p.359-360[/FONT]


    [FONT=&quot]Mohammed Once Thought About Committing Suicide Himself[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]al-Tabari[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot] vol.6 p.xxxix,xl, 68-73. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]I went to Khadijah and said, ‘Wrap me up! Wrap me up!’ When the terror had left me, he came to me and said, 'Muhammad, you are the Messenger of God.'" He (Muhammad) said: I had been thinking of hurling myself down from a mountain crag, but he appeared to me, as I was thinking about this, and said, 'Muhammad, I am Gabriel and you are the Messenger of God.' Then he said, 'Recite!' I said, 'What shall I recite?' He took me and pressed me three times tightly until I was nearly stifled and was utterly exhausted; then he said: ‘Recite in the name of your Lord who created,’ and I recited it.... (p.69) Gabriel came to Muhammad and said, 'O Muhammad, recite!' He said, ‘I cannot recite.’ Gabriel was violent towards him and then said again, ‘O Muhammad, recite!’ He said, ‘I cannot recite,’ and Gabriel again was violent towards him.... (p.70) “Then he went to Khadijah and said, ‘Khadijah, I think that I have gone mad.’ ‘No, by God,’ she said. ‘Your Lord would never do that to you. You have never committed a wicked act.’”[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]There is more on p.71-73, but it is basically duplicated.[/FONT]


    [FONT=&quot]Conclusion[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]There are many people, even Muslims who say conflicting things about Islam. Some Imams say suicide bombers are going to Hell, others say they are going to Heaven. However, ignoring what people innovate 1,400 years after Mohammed, and looking only at what Mohammed and early Muslims said and practiced, it is clear that the Islam of Mohammed (not somebody else’s Islam) taught that all Muslims who commit suicide go to Hell. The only exception is for people who killed themselves accidentally.[/FONT]



     

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    While I am not a psychiatrist, it is obvious that anyone who consistently attempts suicide over a period of years is suffering from some type of mental illness. Is this the work of God? Muhammad attempted suicide many times. His mental illness stemmed from the terrifying experience he had with that spirit. Would God cause His chosen prophet to become mentally imbalanced? We see that in the Bible, God always edified and strengthened the people who first encountered Him. But in Muhammad's case the opposite is true. Instead of being strengthened, Muhammad was weakened. Instead of being full of confidence, Muhammad was full of fear, instead of knowing the path, Muhammad was left in doubt.

    Wouldn't God's peace and love comfort Muhammad's heart so that Muhammad did not need to continue to attempt suicide? What a horrible track record for "Allah". God does not work that way. God's presence certainly did not cause Paul, Abraham, Noah, or Mary to become depressed, lose hope, and commit rash acts. Even Paul, while being physically beaten and imprisoned later in his life, did not lose hope, or give in to depression, but rather, he praised the God he knew. (ACTS 16:22-31).

    Additionally, we are able to deduce something about Muhammad's pre-Islamic faith: he did not know the true God, and whatever faith he had was very weak. Had he had a relationship with God, or had a faith in the true God, he would have sought God and prayed to Him for help. Instead Muhammad wallowed in deep suicidal depression for some 3 years.

    On the other hand, following his experience with the spirit, Muhammad became suicidal. And as time goes on he continues to be suicidal. All the while he wonders, deep down, if he is demon possessed. A rational person would judge that whatever happened to Muhammad had damaged his mental state. If he were alive today he would be considered to be mentally ill, given drugs, institutionalized, and considered dangerous to himself.



    Mchan don't get mad at me we will try to find the truth OK :yes: but brother you can pray to Jesus ask his guidance

    you can say if Y2K is telling me the truth please revealed it to me too I should also know the truth

    if you do not like it that is upto you brother , you reap what you sow :yes: I have no problem with Islam or Muslims but I have a problem with Satan's lies
     

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    KEY REFERENCES FROM THE NEW TESTAMENT ON SATANIC ACTIVITY

    An important note: people were receiving messages from "angels" long before Muhammad showed up. There are two key verses in the New Testament.


    2 Cor. 11:14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades an angel of light.


    Gal. 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!


    "Satan masquerades as an angel of light". This is exactly what happened to Muhammad. He experienced "light" inside the seclusion of the cave. Joseph Smith, another false prophet, also was visited by an angel who gave him a false message.
     

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    another false prophet (18th Century), he said an angel directed him to a buried book of golden plates (like islam it is totally against teachings of the original bible) I think next will be the Anti-Christ
     

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    While I am not a psychiatrist, it is obvious that anyone who consistently attempts suicide over a period of years is suffering from some type of mental illness. Is this the work of God? Muhammad attempted suicide many times. His mental illness stemmed from the terrifying experience he had with that spirit. Would God cause His chosen prophet to become mentally imbalanced? We see that in the Bible, God always edified and strengthened the people who first encountered Him. But in Muhammad's case the opposite is true. Instead of being strengthened, Muhammad was weakened. Instead of being full of confidence, Muhammad was full of fear, instead of knowing the path, Muhammad was left in doubt.

    Wouldn't God's peace and love comfort Muhammad's heart so that Muhammad did not need to continue to attempt suicide? What a horrible track record for "Allah". God does not work that way. God's presence certainly did not cause Paul, Abraham, Noah, or Mary to become depressed, lose hope, and commit rash acts. Even Paul, while being physically beaten and imprisoned later in his life, did not lose hope, or give in to depression, but rather, he praised the God he knew. (ACTS 16:22-31).

    Additionally, we are able to deduce something about Muhammad's pre-Islamic faith: he did not know the true God, and whatever faith he had was very weak. Had he had a relationship with God, or had a faith in the true God, he would have sought God and prayed to Him for help. Instead Muhammad wallowed in deep suicidal depression for some 3 years.

    On the other hand, following his experience with the spirit, Muhammad became suicidal. And as time goes on he continues to be suicidal. All the while he wonders, deep down, if he is demon possessed. A rational person would judge that whatever happened to Muhammad had damaged his mental state. If he were alive today he would be considered to be mentally ill, given drugs, institutionalized, and considered dangerous to himself.



    Mchan don't get mad at me we will try to find the truth OK :yes: but brother you can pray to Jesus ask his guidance

    you can say if Y2K is telling me the truth please revealed it to me too I should also know the truth

    if you do not like it that is upto you brother , you reap what you sow :yes: I have no problem with Islam or Muslims but I have a problem with Satan's lies

    For more infor you can google it :confused:
     

    Y2K

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    Liers are also in hell like you Y2k.

    Then what about you guys who kills people in the name of Allah by saying "Allahuakbar" ? ha

    but I will pray for your soul brother, I should go to hell if what i am (Jesus Christ) telling is wrong but I am dead sure that is why I am not afraid of revealing Satan’s plots

    I know if that happen by any chance (I know it won't happen for me) you will be happy and you would say Allahuakbar "Allah the greatest"

    but I am not going to say God is great when someone distroy by himself because of the Satan lies

    May we find the true GOD before we die


    You can see the different son , why I can not say anything evil to you? I can say the same thing but rather I would love to save your soul , this is the different between Christianity & Islam
     

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    2 Cor. 11:14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades an angel of light.


    Gal. 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!
     

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    You guys kill in the name of Jesus.when you are supposed to show other cheek. Norway right wing Cristian bomber. LTTE.SPLA, IRA, ETA, LRA, Tripura ,Kuklux Clan,Nazi, Hitler,Crusader etc.