Islam & the Status of Women

[njsa]

I am impressed. Osama in here as innocent as a lamb says we don't kill innocent men and wemen and i don't know anything about 9/11. how lame

u know..even us didnt prove a single thing as it done by him.but u talking like u saw all the evidence.i dont support him or his statment.but just telling u.no one knows who did it.go to yu tube and see.there are hundreds of videos which shows that it was a inside job.even Kevin Barrett - university lecturer member of the Scientific Panel for the Investigation of 9/11 converted to islam.ivon ridley-the british reporter who got kidnapped by thalibans converted to islam.open ur eyes.anyway they want a reason to attack muslim countries and they create reason for that.just like how they told that they killed osama and didnt give any proper evidence.anyway there are people like u who believe everything what they say.

I wish i could go on with this but then i'm way diverted from the topic .

yeah...and even useless discussing as even there are 1000 proves u will not agree.
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o lets stick to it and pick those related to women
How about pedophilia, slavery , gender discrimination , wife beating , polygamy , burqa , hijab; {female genital mutilation }
I can quote hundreds from quran and hadiths to prove these but I think i am repeating same quotes which i've posted before [ and nobody answered ]
so lets face it

you are ost welcome to post all of those and we are ready to reply.

do you honestly believe these concepts of islam is valid for the modern world ?
Doesn't quran/ hadiths need a "correction" to suit to this era

modern world???????????????????/ what is that?
did u mean of the modern world where talk about pedholia and allow women to get rape in the street.women allowed to work as a sex workers.living together having kids without or before marriage.if ur supporting it ..tell me who is in the unsafe side in that.men or women?
we still want to live with the dignity.our women dont want to walk in the streets like models.women are more worth than using as an exhibit item.

 

[AncientGlory]

living together having kids without or before marriage.if ur supporting it

I support this. What is wrong with it?

we still want to live with the dignity.our women dont want to walk in the streets like models.women are more worth than using as an exhibit item.

Again the definition of dignity is subjective. It is dignified in your sense that a woman is not allowed to walk in street like models whether they like it or not. But for western women if they are allowed to do what ever hell they want and treated equal, they call it dignity. Don't think whatever you understand or you feel correct is the right way for everyone. You think women are used as exhibit item, some women like to be used as exhibit items, it is their right. Men are also used as exhibit items.

There's no use in talking about status of women in Islam, it is quite clear in quran. They are not treated equal. What is their to argue about it? It's just that muslims do not believe in equality of women. That's fine, just accept it and move on.

 

[Y2K]

I support this. What is wrong with it?


Again the definition of dignity is subjective. It is dignified in your sense that a woman is not allowed to walk in street like models whether they like it or not. But for western women if they are allowed to do what ever hell they want and treated equal, they call it dignity. Don't think whatever you understand or you feel correct is the right way for everyone. You think women are used as exhibit item, some women like to be used as exhibit items, it is their right. Men are also used as exhibit items.

There's no use in talking about status of women in Islam, it is quite clear in quran. They are not treated equal. What is their to argue about it? It's just that muslims do not believe in equality of women. That's fine, just accept it and move on.

I can tell you one thing But in Arabs countries they treat their women better in public but some of thier other rules restrict thier freedom.

Ex: in arab countries they have seperate que for women, they normaly give priority to ladies which very good

on the other hand they can not do anything without his Dad approvals , if Father said "Hey you should not go to work then that girl has to be at home" other bad thing is if you have a daughter then person who marries her should give some big amount of money to her father , what will happen father takes another wife with that money.

about wify beating we have seen it becuase normally they are not allow to complain bt there are lot of cases

 

[III Reich]

u know..even us didnt prove a single thing as it done by him.but u talking like u saw all the evidence.i dont support him or his statment.but just telling u.no one knows who did it.go to yu tube and see.there are hundreds of videos which shows that it was a inside job.even Kevin Barrett - university lecturer member of the Scientific Panel for the Investigation of 9/11 converted to islam.ivon ridley-the british reporter who got kidnapped by thalibans converted to islam.open ur eyes.anyway they want a reason to attack muslim countries and they create reason for that.just like how they told that they killed osama and didnt give any proper evidence.anyway there are people like u who believe everything what they say.

The part highlighted actually made me laugh out loud .what a miserable point to prove islam is good whats fancy in that ?
If you want to speak about converting . now as we speak 2 millions of russian muslims leave islam and converted to Russian orthodox christianity
6 millions africans leave islam every year. islam is there because of purely of their birth rate . so no point of boasting about that guy conveted to islam so islam is good bla bla

modern world???????????????????/ what is that?

modern civilized society. do you think the principles that prophet muhammed used to live 1400 years ago in the desert are valid for the 21 st centuary ?

did u mean of the modern world where talk about pedholia and allow women to get rape in the street.women allowed to work as a sex workers.

definitely not. where did i said that ? pedophilia rape and sex workors are wrong whereever and whenever happened. By the way child abuse is far more a Big Crime than any of these. There is a quote from quran Sura 65:1, 4 that it is ok to marry pre pubescent girls . even prophet muhammed married lady ayisha at the age of six.( which is punishable as child abuse now).whats your opinion about that ? is it suitable now ?

living together having kids without or before marriage.if ur supporting it ..tell me who is in the unsafe side in that.men or women?

Is it a crime ?

we still want to live with the dignity.our women dont want to walk in the streets like models.women are more worth than using as an exhibit item.
yeah...

i understand. but i don't think every islam women will agree with you. i know many muslim ladies who consider hijab as a nuisanse and wears normal clothes. and there are fashion models even in muslim countries as well. whats your idea about that ?

and even useless discussing as even there are 1000 proves u will not agree.
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what makes you think like that ?

you are ost welcome to post all of those and we are ready to reply.

lets start with this

 

[njsa]

The part highlighted actually made me laugh out loud .what a miserable point to prove islam is good whats fancy in that ?

ha..ha...so u thought that i wrote tht to justfy islam by telling about her!! no brother...i meant that there are hidden agendas and cn any one even think of converting to ialam after getting kidnapped by the worst terrorist group(according to the media) in the world.think why and how she convinced for that.dont u feel that may b its not what the media telling?

If you want to speak about converting . now as we speak 2 millions of russian muslims leave islam and converted to Russian orthodox christianity
6 millions africans leave islam every year. islam is there because of purely of their birth rate . so no point of boasting about that guy conveted to islam so islam is good bla bla

mm...b relax and safe thinking it in that way.i didnt boast about it.those who find beauty of the islam may come and those who want to leave may leave.thats it.gery miller who had a debate with ahmed deedat came to islam lately.(you tube)so sometime now one may talk against islam may realise it one day.also people who leave also may come to the right path once they realise.i didnt tell mentioned about people who just came to islam.but told u two important people who came to islam to show u that media is playing a big role in ma-laying islam.

modern civilized society. do you think the principles that prophet muhammed used to live 1400 years ago in the desert are valid for the 21 st centuary ?

1400 years or 4000 years doesnt matter as long as it leads the human to have a good life is the most important thing.if u rejecting a faith becoz its too old what about hinduism,buddhism and christianity?

definitely not. where did i said that ? pedophilia rape and sex workors are wrong whereever and whenever happened.

it may b wrong for u but there are people who support that.so rules cant b made as per the each persons convenient.there is a general rule which we all should obey.

By the way child abuse is far more a Big Crime than any of these. There is a quote from quran Sura 65:1, 4 that it is ok to marry pre pubescent girls . even prophet muhammed married lady ayisha at the age of six.( which is punishable as child abuse now).whats your opinion about that ? is it suitable now ?

i cant find anything like that in sura 65.u can check:http://quran.com/65
also prophet didn't tell to go and marry 6 year old girls(no exact age still proven about the age of aysha alai and surely its not six)the message of that marriage is that ; at that time people consider as the best friend like the own brother.so they avoided marrying close friends daughters.so to break that tradition he married aysha alai.with time the age of marriage got change.if u see 50 years back most married at the age of 13-15.now its a child abuse.islam tells that a women can marry when she is matured.it doesn't depend on the age.i hope u will understand that.

Is it a crime ?

i understand. but i don't think every islam women will agree with you. i know many muslim ladies who consider hijab as a nuisance and wears normal clothes. and there are fashion models even in muslim countries as well. whats your idea about that ?

10% or 20% may not agree.those who like may wear it and those who dont will wer as they wish.by wearing a hijab it will protect women but will not harm in anyway.but wearing those fashionable dress give men a different message.its like a silent invitation to misbehave.u know when we trvel in bus no one come near us.we get respect.we think that those who wear dress revealing their body are nuisance.

lets start with this

ok.i will reply to that in that thread.

 

[njsa]

I can tell you one thing But in Arabs countries they treat their women better in public but some of thier other rules restrict thier freedom.

Ex: in arab countries they have seperate que for women, they normaly give priority to ladies which very good

on the other hand they can not do anything without his Dad approvals , if Father said "Hey you should not go to work then that girl has to be at home" other bad thing is if you have a daughter then person who marries her should give some big amount of money to her father , what will happen father takes another wife with that money.

about wify beating we have seen it becuase normally they are not allow to complain bt there are lot of cases

in middle east women are working and they are free.if the daughter choose a wrong job of cource any father may against it.no matter of the religion.
also the prson who marry give money to the daughter but not to the father.its your misunderstanding. in islam men have to give money or anything what ever she demands as the maher.not her father.

 

[AncientGlory]

I can tell you one thing But in Arabs countries they treat their women better in public but some of thier other rules restrict thier freedom.

Ex: in arab countries they have seperate que for women, they normaly give priority to ladies which very good

on the other hand they can not do anything without his Dad approvals , if Father said "Hey you should not go to work then that girl has to be at home" other bad thing is if you have a daughter then person who marries her should give some big amount of money to her father , what will happen father takes another wife with that money.

about wify beating we have seen it becuase normally they are not allow to complain bt there are lot of cases

Not all arabic countries are the same. You should be specific. For an example I have very radical muslim friend from morocco. If you meet her in the street you'd never guess she is a muslim.

Women are given priority in any country, no rules are necessary for that, it's just something we feel right. I guess in arab countries they may need rules to even suggest simple things like that.

I'm just fine with any treatment they give, it's their choice and women accept it unfortunately. But it is a fact that women are not treated equal in Islam and if someone says otherwise, I feel that I should raise questions.

 

[Y2K]

in middle east women are working and they are free.if the daughter choose a wrong job of cource any father may against it.no matter of the religion.
also the prson who marry give money to the daughter but not to the father.its your misunderstanding. in islam men have to give money or anything what ever she demands as the maher.not her father.

You come and see what is really happening .... OK you know nothing abt ur religion you only know how to pray inside ur mosque .

No in my company there was a muslim lady doing a job related to Engineering field , there are other cases too

All they said to me is "they do not have enough freedom "

regarding that money .... it is not practically happening here son you come and see I challenge you!

 

[Y2K]

Not all arabic countries are the same. You should be specific. For an example I have very radical muslim friend from morocco. If you meet her in the street you'd never guess she is a muslim.

That is true lebanies also like that, bt do not go to Morocco they will rob you in Egype also same even a taxi driver can not be trusted

Women are given priority in any country, no rules are necessary for that, it's just something we feel right. I guess in arab countries they may need rules to even suggest simple things like that. My personal view is they treat them better in the Public

I'm just fine with any treatment they give, it's their choice and women accept it unfortunately. But it is a fact that women are not treated equal in Islam and if someone says otherwise, I feel that I should raise questions.

Yeah in Islam Women are not eually treated

True mchan but now somewhat they have little bit of freedom but in the past women can not even drive a vehicle. Saudi is the worst Country with extreme muslims

 

[III Reich]

Originally Posted by njsa
1400 years or 4000 years doesnt matter as long as it leads the human to have a good life is the most important thing.

so you think child marriages , FGM , Polygamy , stoning , and wife beating / slavery leads to a good life ? suits you .

if u rejecting a faith becoz its too old what about hinduism,buddhism and christianity?

There are no laws in buddhism and hinduism about the way you drink eat shit wear urinate drinking camel piss dividing ones properties etc which tends to change so rapidly. and i don't ever think a religion should taught these. Man is born with a brain and he should have the liberty to choose these from his own will. religion should be for spiritual development.Get the difference ?

it may b wrong for u but there are people who support that.so rules cant b made as per the each persons convenient.there is a general rule which we all should obey.

like the noble shariah law which orders you to stone to death when a man tells you a lie ?

i cant find anything like that in sura 65.u can check:

http://quran.com/65

Maudidi translation vol. 5, pp. 599 and 617
65:1 O Prophet, when you [and the believers] divorce women, divorce them for their prescribed waiting—period and count the waiting—period accurately . . . 4 And if you are in doubt about those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, (you should know that) their waiting period is three months, and the same applies to those who have not menstruated as yet. As for pregnant women, their period ends when they have delivered their burden.

also prophet didn't tell to go and marry 6 year old girls(no exact age still proven about the age of aysha alai and surely its not six)the message of that marriage is that ; at that time people consider as the best friend like the own brother.so they avoided marrying close friends daughters.so to break that tradition he married aysha alai.with time the age of marriage got change.

Prophet marries ayisha at the age of six and slept with her at the age of nine.it is a fact and get over with it
From the hadith of Bukhari, volume 5, #234

"Narrated Aisha: The prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six. We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Harith Kharzraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's messenger came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age."
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if u see 50 years back most married at the age of 13-15.now its a child abuse.islam tells that a women can marry when she is matured.it doesn't depend on the age.i hope u will understand that.

NO it is still child abuse. whenever happened i will condemn thes acts because at that age womens body is not matuared enough to bear a child

10% or 20% may not agree.those who like may wear it and those who dont will wer as they wish.by wearing a hijab it will protect women but will not harm in anyway.but wearing those fashionable dress give men a different message.its like a silent invitation to misbehave.u know when we trvel in bus no one come near us.we get respect.we think that those who wear dress revealing their body are nuisance.

don't you think its better to teach men to behave rather than covering the beauty of a women by a black mask ? Women bears the burdons for mens lust. how ethical is that ?

 

[Y2K]

so you think child marriages , FGM , Polygamy , stoning , and wife beating / slavery leads to a good life ? suits you .

There are no laws in buddhism and hinduism about the way you drink eat shit wear urinate drinking camel piss dividing ones properties etc which tends to change so rapidly. and i don't ever think a religion should taught these. Man is born with a brain and he should have the liberty to choose these from his own will. religion should be for spiritual development.Get the difference ?

like the noble shariah law which orders you to stone to death when a man tells you a lie ?

Maudidi translation vol. 5, pp. 599 and 617
65:1 O Prophet, when you [and the believers] divorce women, divorce them for their prescribed waiting—period and count the waiting—period accurately . . . 4 And if you are in doubt about those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, (you should know that) their waiting period is three months, and the same applies to those who have not menstruated as yet. As for pregnant women, their period ends when they have delivered their burden.

Prophet marries ayisha at the age of six and slept with her at the age of nine.it is a fact and get over with it

From the hadith of Bukhari, volume 5, #234

"Narrated Aisha: The prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six. We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Harith Kharzraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's messenger came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age."
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NO it is still child abuse. whenever happened i will condemn thes acts because at that age womens body is not matuared enough to bear a child

don't you think its better to teach men to behave rather than covering the beauty of a women by a black mask ? Women bears the burdons for mens lust. how ethical is that ?

 

[Y2K]

NO it is still child abuse. whenever happened i will condemn thes acts because at that age womens body is not matuared enough to bear a child

don't you think its better to teach men to behave rather than covering the beauty of a women by a black mask ? Women bears the burdons for mens lust. how ethical is that ?

It is good that you cover everything but when it comes to the problem of SIN, now who is really responsible? is it womens fault? or Men's fault?

it is like blaming others for your own Lust ... ha ha ha

Mohomed married Ayesha when she was 9 this is not ethical specailly to a mighty Massenger of GOD ? (Problem : is he really from GOD?)

 

[Y2K]

Will Allah Deceive You Too?

One Answer from Islam: You had better not ask too many questions.

Bukhari vol.2 book 24 ch.52 no.555 p.323 "I heard the Prophet saying, ‘Allah has hated for you three things: - … And asking too many question…"

Sura 5:101 "Believers! Do not ask questions about things which if made plain and declared to you, may vex you, causing you trouble."

Sura 5:102 "Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account they lost their faith and became disbelievers."

 

[Y2K]

In Islamic teaching Allah claims that he created all human beings as his slaves (Sura 19:93), and as such, no-one is or can be a child of Allah. As a result, there is no equality of people before Islamic law in the teachings of the Qur’an and Hadith. Islamic law considers women as deficient. A woman’s witness [in court] is worth half a man’s (Sura 2:282; Bukhari vol. 3, Hadith 826); women are deficient in intelligence and religious practices (Bukhari vol. 1, Hadith 301; vol. 3, Hadith 826; vol. 2, Hadith 541); women are referred to as a possession such as gold, silver, horses and cattle (Sura 3:14); a woman is to be used like a field according to the husband’s desires (Sura 2:223); a man can exchange one of his wives for another (Sura 4:20); and a woman comes in the form of a devil (Sahih Muslim vol. II, Hadith 3240). The teaching of Islam on women is that:

women will be the majority in hell (Bukhari vol. 1, Hadith 301; also Muslim vol. 4, Hadith 6600);

the best of women are neither to be seen by, nor to see, a man (Ghazali quoted this Hadith in Ihya’ ‘Uloum ed-Din vol. II Kitab Adab al-Nikah. Beirut: Dar al-Kotob al-‘Elmeyah. p. 53);

A man can marry up to four wives (Sura 4:3, 129);

a man can have a child wife (Sura 65:4 ‘The Noble Qur’an’); men can have temporary wives (Sura 4:24; Bukhari vol. 7, Hadith 13A, 52; Sahih Muslim vol. 2, Hadith 3247, Bukhari, Vol 6, 139);

men are commanded to beat their wives (Sura 4:34);

a man can have any number of concubines (Sura 70:29-30);

men are better than women (Sura 4:34).
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affoi !

 

[Y2K]

The Veil In Saudi Arabia, March 2002 saw 15 girls dead and more than 40 other girls injured at the Girls' Intermediate School No. 31 in Mecca, the holiest city in Islam. The girls were locked inside when an accidental fire started. The fire-fighters tried to open the doors but were prevented by the muttawa (religious police), who wouldn’t let the girls outside the building without their veils (Newsweek, July 22, 2002)!!!

 

[Y2K]

The Veil In Saudi Arabia, March 2002 saw 15 girls dead and more than 40 other girls injured at the Girls' Intermediate School No. 31 in Mecca, the holiest city in Islam. The girls were locked inside when an accidental fire started. The fire-fighters tried to open the doors but were prevented by the muttawa (religious police), who wouldn’t let the girls outside the building without their veils (Newsweek, July 22, 2002)!!!

 

[njsa]

You come and see what is really happening .... OK you know nothing abt ur religion you only know how to pray inside ur mosque .

No in my company there was a muslim lady doing a job related to Engineering field , there are other cases too

All they said to me is "they do not have enough freedom "

regarding that money .... it is not practically happening here son you come and see I challenge you!

im presently living here in middle east only.before i come i also had a very bad image.after coming here i was amazed to see how most live peacefully.may b there are ladies who think in that way.many women think that west as a paradise.so may b some think here no freedom for them.here even at night a women can go in road without fear.can any1 do that in any other country?,.
i kno a women who came and settle here as she scared to raise her kids in west.so what does it mean?
we know very well about everything,not only to pray.islam is a complete guide which help to lead a good life.

 

[AncientGlory]

can any1 do that in any other country?,.

You can totally do that in australia.

 

[dilankandy]

You can totally do that in australia.

well there are many countries like that in the world. not just one or two.

 

[Y2K]

im presently living here in middle east only.before i come i also had a very bad image.after coming here i was amazed to see how most live peacefully.may b there are ladies who think in that way.many women think that west as a paradise.so may b some think here no freedom for them.here even at night a women can go in road without fear.can any1 do that in any other country?,. Some people now watching holywood movies Middle east is raising NOW, Revolution begun with Egype, NOW YEmen rasing, Baharian , UAE, SA, OMAN all people demanding



i kno a women who came and settle here as she scared to raise her kids in west.so what does it mean? hey you do not have to worry if you educate your child well & let them know the true value of humanity, in that case no country is good unless you do not know the value of humanity

we know very well about everything,not only to pray.islam is a complete guide which help to lead a good life.

if that is so it is good thing

the better truth is this now there are so many human rights orernisation & women unions (without getting the govenment aprrovals) in those countries now even Muslims starts to understand what the true value of freedom bt hey will never have religious freedom

in soudi you can not leave Islam if you do that they will beheaded you