The Wisdom Behind Prophet Muhammad's Plural Marriages

[ex-muslim Ahmed]

මූ මිනිමරු අසහනකාරයෙක්. ඒ බව පෙන්නන්නේ උගේම පොතෙන්! නිරායුධ යටත්වෙච්ච අහින්සක මිනිස්සුන්ට දස වද දීලා , අන්තිමට වතුර උගුරක් වත් නොදෙන්න අනකල පාපිෂ්ඨයා ද මේ හෝලි ප්‍රොපට්! යකෝ පුලුවන්නම් මේ පාදඩ වනචාරි වැඩේ ඩිෆෙන්ඩ් කරපල්ලා. එහෙම කරල උඹලත් ඒ වගේම මිනීමරු පාපී අධමයන් බව පන්නාපල්ලා!

 

[Al Baik]

මූ මිනිමරු අසහනකාරයෙක්. ඒ බව පෙන්නන්නේ උගේම පොතෙන්! නිරායුධ යටත්වෙච්ච අහින්සක මිනිස්සුන්ට දස වද දීලා , අන්තිමට වතුර උගුරක් වත් නොදෙන්න අනකල පාපිෂ්ඨයා ද මේ හෝලි ප්‍රොපට්! යකෝ පුලුවන්නම් මේ පාදඩ වනචාරි වැඩේ ඩිෆෙන්ඩ් කරපල්ලා. එහෙම කරල උඹලත් ඒ වගේම මිනීමරු පාපී අධමයන් බව පන්නාපල්ලා!

යාලුවා ඇයි දැන් දැන් ටොපික් එක වෙනස් වෙන්නේ මේ ත්‍රෙඩ් එකේ?
අපි ත්‍රෙඩ් එකට අදාලව මුලින් කතා කරලා ඉමු. ඊට පස්සේ බැරියැ ඔයා දැන් ඔයකරන චෝදනාවට උත්තර බඳින්න. දැන් ටොපික් එකට අදාලව විතරක් කතා කරන්න යාලුවා. හිතමතාම ටොපික් එක වෙන පැත්තකට ගෙනියන්න හදන්න එපා.

 

[ex-muslim Ahmed]

යාලුවා ඇයි දැන් දැන් ටොපික් එක වෙනස් වෙන්නේ මේ ත්‍රෙඩ් එකේ?
අපි ත්‍රෙඩ් එකට අදාලව මුලින් කතා කරලා ඉමු. ඊට පස්සේ බැරියැ ඔයා දැන් ඔයකරන චෝදනාවට උත්තර බඳින්න. දැන් ටොපික් එකට අදාලව විතරක් කතා කරන්න යාලුවා. හිතමතාම ටොපික් එක වෙන පැත්තකට ගෙනියන්න හදන්න එපා.

ටොපික් එක වෙනස් වෙන්නෙ උබලට අවුරුදු 6 අයේශාව, නාකි හුටං මොහොමඩා බැන්ද කියන එකේ වනචර කම, අමානුශික කම, වලත්තකම, අසීලාචර කම කොච්චර කිව්වත් නොතේරුනා වගේ ඉන්න නිසායි! අවුරුදු 6 පොඩි ලමයක් අවුරුදු 54ක මිනිහෙක් බැඳගන්නව කියන්නේ මහ අෂිෂ්ඨ වැඩක්! උඹට ඒක තේරෙන්නෙ නැත්තම් අපි තේරෙන එකකට එන්නම්! බොරුවට වැල් බයිල ගහල වැඩක් නැහැනේ!

ඒත් උඹලට මේකටත් උත්තර නැහැ, ඒකටත් උත්තර නැහැ! පව් බං උඹලා!

 

[sirajstc]

යාලුවා ඇයි දැන් දැන් ටොපික් එක වෙනස් වෙන්නේ මේ ත්‍රෙඩ් එකේ?
අපි ත්‍රෙඩ් එකට අදාලව මුලින් කතා කරලා ඉමු. ඊට පස්සේ බැරියැ ඔයා දැන් ඔයකරන චෝදනාවට උත්තර බඳින්න. දැන් ටොපික් එකට අදාලව විතරක් කතා කරන්න යාලුවා. හිතමතාම ටොපික් එක වෙන පැත්තකට ගෙනියන්න හදන්න එපා.

ආයේ තේරුම් කරලා දිලා වැඩක් වෙන්නේ නෑ...අල්ලාහ් සීල් එක තියලා ඉවරයි..දැන් තෙරුම් ගැනීමට තරම් හැකියාවක් නෑ..අල්ලහ් තමයි හිදායත් එක දෙන්න ඕනි .යහමග. මෙයා වෙනුවෙන් පාර්තනා කරමු..

 

[AncientGlory]

Very much hatred towards islam is hiding the facts.“In the period 1990-2000, approximately 12.5 million more people converted to Islam than to Christianity” (Guinness World Records 2003, pg 102)
What does that mean in your language Mr. AG? Does it mean that 12.5 million more Muslims were born in this time period?!!

of course We have no choice to doubt the God just because our God and revelation are logically strong unlike other faiths.

Even if we agree that the above data are true,(Show me the guiness world records 2003, page 102 to believe) what does the comparison of how many more muslims converted to Islam than Christianity have to do with discussing whether the growth of Islam is due to conversions or births? Can't you even understand something as simple as this???

It seems to me that if you take the world muslim population by 2000(Not the correct measure to take but taken as an example) and assume the total number of conversions in the year 2000 to be 1.25million, the percentage of conversion is around 0.08%.

 

[AncientGlory]

As per my understanding Hettiarachi tried to show that,

Mr. X bought the good on credit basis & settled on time 99 times
Mr. X bought a Good and not paid 1 time

Does this make X a Thief? to me he cant be a thief.

Really?? In the world I live, if you wish to buy a product you have to pay for it at one point. Not paying and taking makes you a thief. It doesn't matter if it's one time or million times.

first check it out reason behind that... without labeling someone falsely.

I have checked out the reasons, and without no doubt I can say that the reason behind it is the sick intention of having a young child bride to have sex with.

 

[I love Srilanka]

Even if we agree that the above data are true,(Show me the guiness world records 2003, page 102 to believe) what does the comparison of how many more muslims converted to Islam than Christianity have to do with discussing whether the growth of Islam is due to conversions or births? Can't you even understand something as simple as this???

if you need you can go to any library and see the page 102, free edition of G.world records is not available in Internet. otherwise normally you quote from wikipedia, hope you will rely on this time for being mentioned in GWR 2003 with this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claims_to_be_the_fastest-growing_religion
I am aware that we are not comparing muslim growth to Christians, but what I quoted is what exactly GWR says.as you said Muslims population mostly influenced by birth rate, I wanted to ask you, how many of them are due to birth.


It seems to me that if you take the world muslim population by 2000(Not the correct measure to take but taken as an example) and assume the total number of conversions in the year 2000 to be 1.25million, the percentage of conversion is around 0.08%.

I didn't get this,need more clarification on this.

 

[I love Srilanka]

Really?? In the world I live, if you wish to buy a product you have to pay for it at one point. Not paying and taking makes you a thief. It doesn't matter if it's one time or million times.

Here I doubt the people/supplier who say, he didn't pay.perhaps he paid, but alleged to be not paid.a person who pay 99 out of 100 times on time, why couldn't have paid only once...may be false allegation..if i know that he did same other supplier also i may trust he is a thief.but not in this case..


I have checked out the reasons, and without no doubt I can say that the reason behind it is the sick intention of having a young child bride to have sex with.

hah!!ha! you checked it out and your estimation is not the opinion of all the people except some anti islamist purposely want to malign our prophet and islam, apart from that many neutral non muslim scholars praised our prophet, i don't think you are intelligent than them,neither neutral view

 

[AncientGlory]

if you need you can go to any library and see the page 102, free edition of G.world records is not available in Internet. otherwise normally you quote from wikipedia, hope you will rely on this time for being mentioned in GWR 2003 with this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claims_...owing_religion
I am aware that we are not comparing muslim growth to Christians, but what I quoted is what exactly GWR says.as you said Muslims population mostly influenced by birth rate, I wanted to ask you, how many of them are due to birth.

I didn't get this,need more clarification on this.

I can't find the book in my library, so as I mentioned earlier, lets assume the data is true. So assuming 12.5 million more people converted to Islam during the period of 10 years, lets average it to one year(12.5/10) which is 1.25million. Now it seems that there were about 1.5billion muslims by 2000, so 1.25 out of 1.5billion is about 0.08%(1.25mil*100%/1.5bil). This is a rough estimation of the percentage of how many more converted to Islam. As you can see it is a small number. I do not deny that many people convert to Islam. But to me it seems that major part of growth of Islam is due to births.

 

[AncientGlory]

Here I doubt the people/supplier who say, he didn't pay.perhaps he paid, but alleged to be not paid.a person who pay 99 out of 100 times on time, why couldn't have paid only once...may be false allegation..if i know that he did same other supplier also i may trust he is a thief.but not in this case

Allright lets put aside the loop holes in this argument for a moment and look at what the example try to explain.
So now what you are saying is that perhaps Prophet Muhammad did not marry a girl at the age of 6 and had sex with her at the age of 9, when he was 54 but he was only accused of it?

hah!!ha! you checked it out and your estimation is not the opinion of all the people except some anti islamist purposely want to malign our prophet and islam, apart from that many neutral non muslim scholars praised our prophet, i don't think you are intelligent than them,neither neutral view

Well my opinion is my own, not anyone else's otherwise it won't be my opinion right? It's my own and has nothing do with any anti islamists or anyone. I came this conclusion after careful study of facts that were available to me. If you can bring forward any facts to show that my opinion is wrong, be my guest and I might change my mind.
Who are the non muslim scholars who praised prophet? Now I too agree that he was a great political leader, military tactician and is one of the most influential men in the history. But that does not say he had good moral values as a human.

 

[Y2K]

Matt 24:5 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

 

[Y2K]

Wolves in sheep's clothing

Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?

So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit.
Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. So then, you will know them by their fruits.

 

[Y2K]

Wide and narrow gates
Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

 

[Y2K]

1 John 4:1-3 says, "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world." (NKJV)

By the end times, many will easily be deceived and embrace the antichrist because his spirit will already dwell within the world.

Man of Sin

In 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4, the antichrist is described as the "man of sin," or "son of perdition." Here Paul, like John, is also warning believers about the antichrist's ability to deceive:

"Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God." (NKJV)

The NIV makes it clearer that a time of rebellion will come prior to Christ's return and then the "man of lawlessness, the man doomed to destruction" will be revealed. The antichrist eventually will exalt himself above God to be worshiped in the Lord's Temple, proclaiming himself to be God. Verses 9 and 10 say that the antichrist will do counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, to gain a following and deceive many.

The Beast

In Revelation 13:5-8, the antichrist is referred to as "the beast."

 

[Y2K]

A Little Horn

In Daniel's prophetic vision of the end of days we see "a little horn" described in chapters 7, 8 and 11.

In the interpretation of the dream, this little horn is a ruler or king, and speaks, of the antichrist. Daniel 7:24-25 says, "The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom. After them another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings. He will speak against the Most High and oppress his saints and try to change the set times and the laws. The saints will be handed over to him for a time, times and half a time." (NIV)

According to many end times Bible scholars, Daniel's prophecy interpreted together with verses in Revelation, specifically point to a future world empire coming from a "revived" or "reborn" Roman Empire, like the one in existence at the time of Christ. They predict that the antichrist will emerge from this race.

Joel Rosenberg, author of fiction (Dead Heat, The Copper Scroll, Ezekiel Option, The Last Days, The Last Jihad) and non-fiction (Epicenter) books about Bible prophecy, bases his conclusions about the antichrist on extensive Scripture study including Daniel's prophecy, Ezekiel 38-39, and the book of Revelation. He says that at first, the antichrist won't appear to be evil, but rather a charming diplomat. In an interview on April 25, 2008, he told Glenn Beck of CNN that the antichrist will be "somebody who understands the economy and the global sphere and wins people, a winsome character."

Rosenberg went on to say, "No commerce can be done without his approval. He will be ... seen as an economic genius, a foreign policy genius. And he will emerge out of Europe. Because Daniel chapter 9 says, the prince, who is to come, the antichrist, will come from people who destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple ... Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 A.D. by the Romans. We are looking for someone of a reconstituted Roman Empire ..."

False Christ
In the Gospels (Mark 13, Matthew 24-25, and Luke 21), Jesus warned his followers of the terrible events and persecution that will occur before his second coming. Most likely, this is where the concept of an antichrist was first introduced to the disciples, although Jesus does not refer to him in the singular:

"For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect." (Matthew 24:24, NKJV)

Conclusion
Is the Antichrist alive today? He could be. Will we recognize him? Perhaps not at first. However, the best way to avoid being deceived by the spirit of the antichrist is to know Jesus Christ and be ready for his return.
IF you are a non-christian I would say know him & his evil system and stay away from him

 

[AncientGlory]

A Little Horn

In Daniel's prophetic vision of the end of days we see "a little horn" described in chapters 7, 8 and 11.

In the interpretation of the dream, this little horn is a ruler or king, and speaks, of the antichrist. Daniel 7:24-25 says, "The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom. After them another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings. He will speak against the Most High and oppress his saints and try to change the set times and the laws. The saints will be handed over to him for a time, times and half a time." (NIV)

According to many end times Bible scholars, Daniel's prophecy interpreted together with verses in Revelation, specifically point to a future world empire coming from a "revived" or "reborn" Roman Empire, like the one in existence at the time of Christ. They predict that the antichrist will emerge from this race.

Joel Rosenberg, author of fiction (Dead Heat, The Copper Scroll, Ezekiel Option, The Last Days, The Last Jihad) and non-fiction (Epicenter) books about Bible prophecy, bases his conclusions about the antichrist on extensive Scripture study including Daniel's prophecy, Ezekiel 38-39, and the book of Revelation. He says that at first, the antichrist won't appear to be evil, but rather a charming diplomat. In an interview on April 25, 2008, he told Glenn Beck of CNN that the antichrist will be "somebody who understands the economy and the global sphere and wins people, a winsome character."

Rosenberg went on to say, "No commerce can be done without his approval. He will be ... seen as an economic genius, a foreign policy genius. And he will emerge out of Europe. Because Daniel chapter 9 says, the prince, who is to come, the antichrist, will come from people who destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple ... Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 A.D. by the Romans. We are looking for someone of a reconstituted Roman Empire ..."

False Christ
In the Gospels (Mark 13, Matthew 24-25, and Luke 21), Jesus warned his followers of the terrible events and persecution that will occur before his second coming. Most likely, this is where the concept of an antichrist was first introduced to the disciples, although Jesus does not refer to him in the singular:

"For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect." (Matthew 24:24, NKJV)

Conclusion
Is the Antichrist alive today? He could be. Will we recognize him? Perhaps not at first. However, the best way to avoid being deceived by the spirit of the antichrist is to know Jesus Christ and be ready for his return.
IF you are a non-christian I would say know him & his evil system and stay away from him

Frankly Y2K I don't think anyone outside Christianity would care what is said in the bible and stories from bible. It is my opinion that if you are trying to convey something to a no-christian just explain things with your own words.

 

[Y2K]

Frankly Y2K I don't think anyone outside Christianity would care what is said in the bible and stories from bible. It is my opinion that if you are trying to convey something to a no-christian just explain things with your own words.

AcientGlory what ur telling is true bt if people do dont listen to Jesus... do you think they would listen to my words ?? Then you will ask why u try to spread his teachings? So I also personally feel evey human being should hear this good news bt it is upi to them to decide bt unless we spread his good news we know you do not have any choice bt I as a True Christian should never force anyone by any means to accept Jesus as a Savior if you do that you are violating his teachings

it’s going to be difficult to hear; in fact, that’s why Jesus said that many will “hear” his kingdom parables without understanding what they say; and that many will “see” the mysteries of the kingdom, without perceiving what they mean. (Matthew 13:9-15) So not only is this a difficult truth to hear, but it is equally hard to teach; so when we try to hear something new, we need to let the Holy Spirit do the teaching; for when we don’t, we end up rejecting truth just because it disagrees with our own perceptions;

Jesus also use parables because if you say something directly people won't value it so I also think it is not advisable to speak plainly due to many other reasons and I know there are many reason why Jesus use parables I 'll explain it later

So i am using his world actually secret msg is inside it ,,,,,,

John14:22 Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, “But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?”

23 Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24He who does not love me will not obey my teaching


Jesus said "the Kingdom of God is within you" in Luke 17:21

 

[Y2K]

Truth can not be told , you should understand it by yourself

 

[AncientGlory]

AcientGlory what ur telling is true bt if people do dont listen to Jesus... do you think they would listen to my words ?? Then you will ask why u try to spread his teachings? So I also personally feel evey human being should hear this good news bt it is upi to them to decide bt unless we spread his good news we know you do not have any choice bt I as a True Christian should never force anyone by any means to accept Jesus as a Savior if you do that you are violating his teachings

it’s going to be difficult to hear; in fact, that’s why Jesus said that many will “hear” his kingdom parables without understanding what they say; and that many will “see” the mysteries of the kingdom, without perceiving what they mean. (Matthew 13:9-15) So not only is this a difficult truth to hear, but it is equally hard to teach; so when we try to hear something new, we need to let the Holy Spirit do the teaching; for when we don’t, we end up rejecting truth just because it disagrees with our own perceptions;

Jesus also use parables because if you say something directly people won't value it so I also think it is not advisable to speak plainly due to many other reasons and I know there are many reason why Jesus use parables I 'll explain it later

So i am using his world actually secret msg is inside it ,,,,,,

John14:22 Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, “But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?”

23 Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24He who does not love me will not obey my teaching

Jesus said "the Kingdom of God is within you" in Luke 17:21

I hear you man, and I don't mean to get in your way of choosing what is the best way to do what you wanna do. But I would just like to point out few things taking me as a base. For an example, I would give preference to listening to you than jesus. Because you are a real person and I know that you are a decent guy. Jesus has been dead for a long time and I don't know the guy at all.
I read all of your post because you wrote it yourself, but If I find any passage extracted from bible, I automatically skip that part, this is a habit of mine. So for someone like me(Believe me there are also many more) the way to convey your message is to explain it in your own words.
I don't think that every human being should hear the message exactly as said in bible.
Just my opinion. Keep up the good work.

 

[Y2K]

I hear you man, and I don't mean to get in your way of choosing what is the best way to do what you wanna do. But I would just like to point out few things taking me as a base. For an example, I would give preference to listening to you than jesus. Because you are a real person and I know that you are a decent guy. Jesus has been dead for a long time and I don't know the guy at all.
I read all of your post because you wrote it yourself, but If I find any passage extracted from bible, I automatically skip that part, this is a habit of mine. So for someone like me(Believe me there are also many more) the way to convey your message is to explain it in your own words.
I don't think that every human being should hear the message exactly as said in bible.
Just my opinion. Keep up the good work.

Brother that is up to you but as a true Christian if I came to know something good or something very valuable to life (Mystery of Kingdom) I will always acknowledge others but never forced to listen to me actually you cannot do like that believe me just hearing the good news cannot save you but as Jesus Christ said "If they (people) love me they will listen to your words"

Second thing I would like to point of is you said “well I do not know that Guy” but I am damn sure if you looking just for a guy please do not follow him I know for sure he is not Just a MAN

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me'. John 14:6

If you do not know that guy (in your language) means you do not know the truth (Unless you release the truth my words have no impact)
Other thing (sometime bitter part of it) you cannot understand his word without the Holy Spirit. So you said you spend lot of time reading the bible but I don’t think you heard about it, right?

Jesus Promises the Holy Spirit

15 “If you love me, you will obey what I command. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— 17the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will bec in you. 18I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. 20 On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. 21 Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.”

It took me (as a Christian) lots of time (hearing, understanding & experiencing) but I do not think it will take that much as a new comer to learn about him if you get the help from above

I can pray for you if you like

“I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me— 15just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd. 17 The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life—only to take it up again. 18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.” John 10:14-18

God bless you son !!