The Wisdom Behind Prophet Muhammad's Plural Marriages

[Y2K]

 

[AncientGlory]

Other thing (sometime bitter part of it) you cannot understand his word without the Holy Spirit. So you said you spend lot of time reading the bible but I don’t think you heard about it, right?

Well I said that I spent lots of time studying the religion, I wouldn't say exactly the bible. When it comes to religious scriptures I'd say I have spent more time reading the "Book of Mormons" than the bible. And of course I know about the Holy Spirit. It was one of the first questions I asked from missionaries when I met them, "have you seen the holy spirit"?

I'm more interested in the History of religion and how it evolved other than what it teaches. I find no logic in saying there is an Omnimax being out there somewhere who controls everything etc..

 

[I love Srilanka]

I can't find the book in my library, so as I mentioned earlier, lets assume the data is true. So assuming 12.5 million more people converted to Islam during the period of 10 years, lets average it to one year(12.5/10) which is 1.25million. Now it seems that there were about 1.5billion muslims by 2000, so 1.25 out of 1.5billion is about 0.08%(1.25mil*100%/1.5bil). This is a rough estimation of the percentage of how many more converted to Islam. As you can see it is a small number. I do not deny that many people convert to Islam. But to me it seems that major part of growth of Islam is due to births.

01)OK. correct 0.08% more converted to islam than Christianity.
02) How it is a small number on what base
03)"I do not deny that many people convert to Islam". also you accept more than any other religion? if not, let me have some proof.
04) let me deal with you what is major part of the muslim's growth, I will go through the data and come back to you soon.meanwhile it'll be appreciated, if you can put forward some evidence to support your claim.

 

[I love Srilanka]

Allright lets put aside the loop holes in this argument for a moment and look at what the example try to explain.
So now what you are saying is that perhaps Prophet Muhammad did not marry a girl at the age of 6 and had sex with her at the age of 9, when he was 54 but he was only accused of it?

That is what I'm also saying lets keep aside this matter, to Judge prophet mohammed, need not necessarily stick around this single issue. especially age of Aisha at the timfe of marriage is controversy even among muslims,Many Islamic traditions maintain that the marriage of Aishah with the Prophet took place when she was just six years old, in the tenth year of his Prophethood, and that she entered his house as his fully wedded wife after the Migration to Madinah, when she was merely nine. where as some other Muslim scholars differ with this and say she was 16 and 19 respectively. so I don't think we can agree and come to conclusion as to which age of Aisha marriage held.rather if you have any other issues with prophet mohammed you can bring it up.
Also, that is why I showed you an example that a person who did 99 things correct, couldn't have done one thing wrong unless it is for good reason and it looks bad for people..this incidence has been picked up by many non muslims who are hatred towards islam allege prophet mohammed to be a wrong man. see this matter has been made such a famous issue by christian missionaries though St. Joseph was an old man 90 at the time of marriage with the Mother of God Mary who was 12-14.this issue no one knows including christians themself,so imagine the amount of publicity made against prophet mohammed.



Well my opinion is my own, not anyone else's otherwise it won't be my opinion right? It's my own and has nothing do with any anti islamists or anyone. I came this conclusion after careful study of facts that were available to me. If you can bring forward any facts to show that my opinion is wrong, be my guest and I might change my mind.
Who are the non muslim scholars who praised prophet? Now I too agree that he was a great political leader, military tactician and is one of the most influential men in the history. But that does not say he had good moral values as a human.

What are the points you gathered to do this research or your careful study to opine Prophet mohammed is bad person or only this point alone made you to opine our prophet is wrong. I will list the people who praised the prophet mohammed in a septate thread after sometime inshallah.. how did you come to conclude in your careful study that he didn't have good moral values and based on what points..it will be good if you can list out your points which was taken in to account in concluding the same in your careful study..

 

[AncientGlory]

01)OK. correct 0.08% more converted to islam than Christianity.
02) How it is a small number on what base

Again these are rough estimations only.

The grow rate of Islam is said to be 2.13. Now about 0.08 of this is from conversion. So total percentage of conversion is about 3% of the total growth(0.08*100%/2.13). Indicates that from the total growth of Islam only about 3% were from conversions? This does not look like a small number to you?

03)"I do not deny that many people convert to Islam". also you accept more than any other religion? if not, let me have some proof.

No. Because I haven't seen any data to say so. So why don't you give me some proof from data already available in internet? Then I will accept what you say.

04) let me deal with you what is major part of the muslim's growth, I will go through the data and come back to you soon.

That's good. I'm waiting to see these data.

meanwhile it'll be appreciated, if you can put forward some evidence to support your claim.

I already did. Look at my calculation above.

 

[AncientGlory]

That is what I'm also saying lets keep aside this matter, to Judge prophet mohammed, need not necessarily stick around this single issue.

Actually we should. If a person did a single wrong thing, that is enough to judge a person. If the allegations are true, that is enough to come to a conclusion about prophet Muhammad. And we are not talking about a wrong he did impulsively one time, The claim is that he did have sex with a child over and over. If it is true, he clearly knew he what he was doing.

especially age of Aisha at the timfe of marriage is controversy even among muslims,Many Islamic traditions maintain that the marriage of Aishah with the Prophet took place when she was just six years old, in the tenth year of his Prophethood, and that she entered his house as his fully wedded wife after the Migration to Madinah, when she was merely nine. where as some other Muslim scholars differ with this and say she was 16 and 19 respectively.

Can you give me sources to where scholars claim that Aisha was 16?

so I don't think we can agree and come to conclusion as to which age of Aisha marriage held

Well if we can't come in to an agreement there is a chance he actually did marry a girl at the age of 6. So the accusations can be still valid. But I have to say that your approach in this particular issue is quite interesting and appreciable. Rather than trying to justify Prophet's action of having a sex with a 9 year old when he was 54(or 52, which is it?), you say that Aisha might not have been 9 at all. Which is fairly a better stand point and acceptable to a certain degree, even though it's still strange that a man of 54 would marry a girl of 19 anything other than having sexual desires for her.

Also, that is why I showed you an example that a person who did 99 things correct, couldn't have done one thing wrong unless it is for good reason and it looks bad for people.

This theory of yours makes no sense at all. There are many people through out the history who did hundreds of good deeds and who were praised by the society and in the end, ended up doing bad. How many good things a certain individual has done, is not a bearing to say that there's no way he could have done something bad.

.this incidence has been picked up by many non muslims who are hatred towards islam allege prophet mohammed to be a wrong man. see this matter has been made such a famous issue by christian missionaries though St. Joseph was an old man 90 at the time of marriage with the Mother of God Mary who was 12-14.this issue no one knows including christians themself,so imagine the amount of publicity made against prophet mohammed.

Irrelevant.

What are the points you gathered to do this research or your careful study to opine Prophet mohammed is bad person or only this point alone made you to opine our prophet is wrong.

I will bring these points forward after you provide me sources and proof to the claim that say's Aisha was actually 19 not 9. I have a reason for this. I did not say that I would base my conclusion about Prophet Muhammad on one point or one bad deed. But in Prophet Muhammad's case he didn't do it once. He married a child and had sex with her over and over until he died. He kept a child bride for many years. That is not just one bad deed. Mind you these are only the bad things he did, witch are relevant to this thread. There are many more.

how did you come to conclude in your careful study that he didn't have good moral values and based on what points..it will be good if you can list out your points which was taken in to account in concluding the same in your careful study..

No need to go in to points. One point is enough. It was quite clear to me that Prophet Muhammad was a sick man who married a child and had sex with her over and over until he died.

 

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[Y2K]

Well I said that I spent lots of time studying the religion, I wouldn't say exactly the bible. When it comes to religious scriptures I'd say I have spent more time reading the "Book of Mormons" than the bible. And of course I know about the Holy Spirit. It was one of the first questions I asked from missionaries when I met them, "have you seen the holy spirit"?

so what did they say? I am sure some of the idiots might have said yes to you 'what a tredegy

NO, that is a foolish question to ask , holy spirit is immaterial mchan you can not see it but u can feel it yeah bt no point of argueing mchan anyway i am happy u end up with Buddism rather than Islam .... the best way to know christianity is to read the bible specially the hidden meaning in Jesus's parables , Jesus is the one who promise the holy spirit but today devil is misleading people with the devil's spirit so even Christians has to be very careful, Sadly today even our big Churches also not teach us abt it



I'm more interested in the History of religion and how it evolved other than what it teaches. I find no logic in saying there is an Omnimax being out there somewhere who controls everything etc..

Yeah it is up to .... I know you have read a lot .... no wonder you find buddism is the correct one for you...... it seems you have interested not Jesus's teachings rather how it has evolved the truth is Jesus Did not bring any new religion

well lets not go that deep ..... I am really happy abt u we should always question abt evil deeds and apprecaite good deeds

I always telling you if he can change your life from Bad to good that is the greatest miracle Holy spirit can do to you , bible tells us abt the fruits of the holy spirit

SO if someone claimed that they have the holy spirit he/she should have all these qualities , i have seen many miracles yet you can stay well that is not the work of GOD , I think that is the beauti of it

God bless you mchan !

 

[Y2K]

Well I said that I spent lots of time studying the religion, I wouldn't say exactly the bible. When it comes to religious scriptures I'd say I have spent more time reading the "Book of Mormons" than the bible. And of course I know about the Holy Spirit. It was one of the first questions I asked from missionaries when I met them, "have you seen the holy spirit"?

I'm more interested in the History of religion and how it evolved other than what it teaches. I find no logic in saying there is an Omnimax being out there somewhere who controls everything etc..

Is the Universe a Cosmic Accident or Does it Display Intelligent Design? Where the information came from ?

I do b'live God has kept some kind of void to be fill that is why even Buddhist people worship lord buddha , B'live in Lord Buddha i thinnk 80% of world population is b'live some kind of God . by the way become an Atheist is quit easy mchan


then how the hell life came to exist? how the hell first cause came to exist with out anything? Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

 

[AncientGlory]

so what did they say? I am sure some of the idiots might have said yes to you 'what a tredegy

NO, that is a foolish question to ask , holy spirit is immaterial mchan you can not see it but u can feel it yeah bt no point of argueing mchan anyway i am happy u end up with Buddism rather than Islam .... the best way to know christianity is to read the bible specially the hidden meaning in Jesus's parables , Jesus is the one who promise the holy spirit but today devil is misleading people with the devil's spirit so even Christians has to be very careful, Sadly today even our big Churches also not teach us abt it

Well they said it's some kind of a feeling of peace that they encounter when they feel the presence of Holy Spirit.

Actually I do not think that is a foolish question to ask. I have to remind you that like everything else, the importance of this question also bears a subjective view. You see if someone claims they have actually seen the holy spirit and that is very strong evidence to suggest one should investigate more in to this GOD concept. So yes, it was a very important question for me. Unfortunately I did not meet any such person.

Yeah it is up to .... I know you have read a lot .... no wonder you find buddism is the correct one for you...... it seems you have interested not Jesus's teachings rather how it has evolved the truth is Jesus Did not bring any new religion

Well one of my closest friends is a Christian(Yes all my close friends are Christian or Muslim). He says jesus said two basic things that you should live by. "Love your GOD" and "Love your neighbor". These things are perfectly ok. But when you go beyond that, concepts like, creationism, Omnimax GOD, Free will, All things happen as GOD wills, Hell, confession these things make no sense to me. They are full of contradictions.

well lets not go that deep ..... I am really happy abt u we should always question abt evil deeds and apprecaite good deeds

I always telling you if he can change your life from Bad to good that is the greatest miracle Holy spirit can do to you , bible tells us abt the fruits of the holy spirit

SO if someone claimed that they have the holy spirit he/she should have all these qualities , i have seen many miracles yet you can stay well that is not the work of GOD , I think that is the beauti of it

God bless you mchan !

Cheers machan. I always respect what you believe and I only try to engage in an intellectual conversation so that we can all think about these things. I know that there have been many crimes done, being done today in the name of the religion because followers misinterpret it. Well at least in some religions. As long as religion is not a threat to humanity I have no problem with it.

 

[AncientGlory]

Is the Universe a Cosmic Accident or Does it Display Intelligent Design? Where the information came from ?

No it does not display evidence for Intelligent Design. The world we live in is full of flaws. I wouldn't say Universe is an accident. I'd say it is a creation of cause and effect. If right conditions are there, there will be an effect.

I do b'live God has kept some kind of void to be fill that is why even Buddhist people worship lord buddha , B'live in Lord Buddha i thinnk 80% of world population is b'live some kind of God . by the way become an Atheist is quit easy mchan

I am an athiest. I do not believe buddha intended anyone to worship him. Believing in Buddha comes from analyzing his dhamma and realising some truths in it and thereby trying to follow the path shown in to a more depth. There's no place for faith in buddhism. The belief comes with the realization itself.
if you keep your palm closed and tell someone you have a gem in there, if that person have faith in you he will believe you. This is the the path in other religions. But if you open your palm and show the gem, and tell him there is a gem, then the person sees the evidence and then he starts to believe you. This is the path in Buddhism.

then how the hell life came to exist?

Well life came in to existence because the conditions right for life, were there at one time, by mere chance or by conditions moving to a stability or equilibrium state.

how the hell first cause came to exist with out anything?

How can you say there was not anything?

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

Ahha, well my Imagination wondering in to this question many times, finally gave me the answer. Whether you go by Evolution or Creationism chicken always came first.

 

[Y2K]

Well they said it's some kind of a feeling of peace that they encounter when they feel the presence of Holy Spirit.

Actually I do not think that is a foolish question to ask. I have to remind you that like everything else, the importance of this question also bears a subjective view. You see if someone claims they have actually seen the holy spirit and that is very strong evidence to suggest one should investigate more in to this GOD concept. So yes, it was a very important question for me. Unfortunately I did not meet any such person.


Well one of my closest friends is a Christian(Yes all my close friends are Christian or Muslim). He says jesus said two basic things that you should live by. "Love your GOD" and "Love your neighbor". These things are perfectly ok. But when you go beyond that, concepts like, creationism, Omnimax GOD, Free will, All things happen as GOD wills, Hell, confession these things make no sense to me. They are full of contradictions.


Yeah that is our Lord's last commandment I am not going to argue any further I can tell you one thing all the things make sense to me not becuase i blindly b'live (I am not that kind of a person) bt I ask God give me at least fair knowledge of those concepts , I always like big question but God the father showed us He himself the way , the truth & the life

Truth can not be told it has to be understood by yourself if you really interesting you will find it

when Jesus said : Seek you will find it " recently i came to know he is not talking abt materials things he is talking abt spiritual things Kingsom of heaven is a mistery

I can tell you one thing there is no contradiction what soever in his words sometime when an average person reads the bible he might get confuse not because Lords word is wrong rather readers has no capacity to understand the reality

Cheers machan. I always respect what you believe and I only try to engage in an intellectual conversation so that we can all think about these things. I know that there have been many crimes done, being done today in the name of the religion because followers misinterpret it. Well at least in some religions. As long as religion is not a threat to humanity I have no problem with it.

Thanks buddy yeah i like to have an intellectual conversation , do not judge my ever loving Jesus by his (sometimes) Mad / false followers Judge by his own words "Jesus also said Judge by true standards "

Jesus's teachings no treat to any other that is his last commandment "Love thy neighbor " what you are telling is true some people think they serve the lord by killing others or his enemies (Bible has a particular verse like 'By doing it they think that they serve the lord") they have forgotten that Jesus even told them to Love their enemies. but not all are actually Christians some represent the devil (Trojan Horse) . I also firmly believe religion should not be threat to humanity, in other words we can say religion is Humanity, religion should promote humanity because in this great materialistic world we often forget abt our social responsibilities

 

[Y2K]

No it does not display evidence for Intelligent Design. The world we live in is full of flaws. I wouldn't say Universe is an accident. I'd say it is a creation of cause and effect. If right conditions are there, there will be an effect.

Creation of the cause and effort? which one came first ? cause or an effect ?

When you say right condition what do you mean by it ok lets say we keep all the necessary parts of a wrist watch on a table , we keep it millions of years can you have a well working watch after million years?

what is the possibility of that right condition to form? where doest the information came from? (DNA)



I am an athiest. I do not believe buddha intended anyone to worship him. Believing in Buddha comes from analyzing his dhamma and realising some truths in it and thereby trying to follow the path shown in to a more depth. There's no place for faith in buddhism. The belief comes with the realization itself.

Are you 100% sure ?


if you keep your palm closed and tell someone you have a gem in there, if that person have faith in you he will believe you. This is the the path in other religions. But if you open your palm and show the gem, and tell him there is a gem, then the person sees the evidence and then he starts to believe you. This is the path in Buddhism.

Have you seen that Gem?


Well life came in to existence because the conditions right for life, were there at one time, by mere chance or by conditions moving to a stability or equilibrium state.



right condition? where does the information came from?


How can you say there was not anything?
They should be something , isn't it?



Ahha, well my Imagination wondering in to this question many times, finally gave me the answer. Whether you go by Evolution or Creationism chicken always came first.

Yeah today scientist proved that Chicken came first

 

[Y2K]

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I am an athiest. I do not believe buddha intended anyone to worship him. (Even Jesus is God , he does not just order to worship him (some people take advantage of this) I also first did not b'lieve in him

Believing in Buddha comes from analyzing his dhamma and realising some truths in it and thereby trying to follow the path shown in to a more depth. There's no place for faith in buddhism. The belief comes with the realization itself.

I will prove later that every religion is based on faith , where there is no faith there is no religion

When I was 15 - 16 (panditha age) I used to question even condemn my own religion saying "how can he saved us " thousands of question like that bt I never ever b''live that this world is an accident we are not an accident "simple things can not create or cause to have a complicate things" but i simply disbielive in Jesus's story at first bt I always pray to GOD "if you are really their I am ready to accept you with my own understanding " but slowly bt steady God took me a long jouney now things make more sense to me throught understanding I became a true follower of Jesus (Yet there is lot of ground to cover mchan)

if you keep your palm closed and tell someone you have a gem in there, if that person have faith in you he will believe you. This is the the path in other religions. But if you open your palm and show the gem, and tell him there is a gem, then the person sees the evidence and then he starts to believe you. This is the path in Buddhism.

I tell you the truth Jesus is ready to open his palm and show the real gem to you but people do not believe

Somepeople say " well that is not really a gem" "some people say "he is A magician " some say " he himself is a demon" "he is try to fool you "

this is the real story mchan

"Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you." Matthew 7:7

Did you really ask ? did you seek from the bottom of your heart? Did you knock?

 

[AncientGlory]

Creation of the cause and effort? which one came first ? cause or an effect ?

Cause

When you say right condition what do you mean by it ok lets say we keep all the necessary parts of a wrist watch on a table , we keep it millions of years can you have a well working watch after million years?

No. But before you bring forth the 'blind watch maker' analogy, I suggest that you read more about the flaws in it. This example is not a logical stand point to say the universe has an intelligent designer.

what is the possibility of that right condition to form? where doest the information came from? (DNA)

A very high possibility given enough time. What information? Universe does not have any DNA. We are talking about the origin of universe not the origin of humans.

Are you 100% sure ?

No. I'm not speaking for buddhists by the way. I'm just giving my personal opinion by looking at Buddhism as a human. And therefore I know that there could be errors in my understanding so I'm open minded to change my views. I'm like 99% sure.

Have you seen that Gem?

Yes.

right condition? where does the information came from?

I'm guessing you are talking about DNA here? Can you clarify? Are you talking about information want to create life??

They should be something , isn't it?

Yes it is quite clear that something always existed. Or at least it is clear to the logics that we understand. We both agree on this. The difference is that you call whatever always existed GOD, an invisible omnimax being who lives somewhere and order us what to do. But I call whatever always existed "energy". I see no logic in saying there is an intelligent design.

Yeah today scientist proved that Chicken came first

That is interesting, I can see how this can be a logical problem and how using logics it can be proved Chicken came first. But how did scientist prove it? interesting.

 

[AncientGlory]

I will prove later that every religion is based on faith , where there is no faith there is no religion

This is impossible to prove. Define religion first and then be my guest and prove it. You might prove it based on your idea of religion, but you cannot prove it on a general basis.

"simple things can not create or cause to have a complicate things"

They can.

Did you really ask ? did you seek from the bottom of your heart? Did you knock?

No need machan, to go further I first need to believe GOD exists. I see no evidence to say that he does. So there's no use in moving forward.

 

[Y2K]

This is impossible to prove. Define religion first and then be my guest and prove it. You might prove it based on your idea of religion, but you cannot prove it on a general basis.


They can.


mmmmmmm

No need machan, to go further I first need to believe GOD exists. I see no evidence to say that he does. So there's no use in moving forward.

OK Son do not foget that you need not only good wisdom bt also you need a good heart to find good

Jesus said " Kingdom of Heaven is inside you "

I think we better not go any further that is the best thing we can do to save our time

God bless you

 

[I love Srilanka]

The grow rate of Islam is said to be 2.13. Now about 0.08 of this is from conversion. So total percentage of conversion is about 3% of the total growth(0.08*100%/2.13). Indicates that from the total growth of Islam only about 3% were from conversions? This does not look like a small number to you?

What’s wrong with you, we were talking about numbers of conversion over Christianity. Now you have worked out considering this 0.08 %( conversion over Christianity) to calculate the total conversion rate on the total growth rate of muslim. You have done a mistake here. I don’t think it is intentional.

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03)"I do not deny that many people convert to Islam". also you accept more than any other religion? if not, let me have some proof.
No. Because I haven't seen any data to say so. So why don't you give me some proof from data already available in internet? Then I will accept what you say.

Is it? OK, I already have pending answer to be given to you that is list of non muslim people who praised prophet mohammed.I would be including this data along with that new thread. Sorry buddy, I couldn’t reply immediately as I have been busy nowadays.

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04) let me deal with you what is major part of the muslim's growth, I will go through the data and come back to you soon.
That's good. I'm waiting to see these data.

Also this.I will be dealing with the above.

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meanwhile it'll be appreciated, if you can put forward some evidence to support your claim.
I already did. Look at my calculation above.

Sorry to say your wrong calculation proves nothing. I wanted an evidence on which you said initially that Muslims Growth rate is mostly influenced by high birth rate.

 

[I love Srilanka]

AncientGlory

Actually we should. If a person did a single wrong thing, that is enough to judge a person. If the allegations are true, that is enough to come to a conclusion about prophet Muhammad. And we are not talking about a wrong he did impulsively one time, The claim is that he did have sex with a child over and over. If it is true, he clearly knew he what he was doing.

Really..To judge a person you want to have a single wrong thing which is controversial and doubtable even among Muslims. Being you are a honest person, why don’t u discuss with me some other things in which he involved.i don’t want to doubt your intention Just because you told me many times that you are not an anti Islamist whatever you write is your personal opinion, but I need to ask you once again are u true? That u r not an anti islmaist as your thinking is same as the other anti islamist and Christian missionaries. They keep saying he had sex with child over and over. And they forgot about she is his legal wife, they had legal marriage contract, with the agreement of their parents marriage held, she reached puberty, Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries and no where Aisha herself pointed out in her life period that her marriage is not acceptable. But what they failed to provide is that, some more proof to strength their allegation such as
01) if he is such a character person, how many more child girl he had sex with
02) proof from aisha for disagreement for this wedding in her total life period
03) If he wanted to have child sex like that, he could have very well had even without marriage, also with more than one.
04) If allegation is true, he could have selected child in his other marriage as well.
05) Nowhere in his life history had he ever even alleged to be attempted for rape.
06) Nowhere in the history people who lived of prophet time has objected or criticized this marriage.





Can you give me sources to where scholars claim that Aisha was 16?

If you are ready to spend some time please read this.

http://ilovezakirnaik.com/madamayeshah/index.htm



Well if we can't come in to an agreement there is a chance he actually did marry a girl at the age of 6. So the accusations can be still valid. But I have to say that your approach in this particular issue is quite interesting and appreciable. Rather than trying to justify Prophet's action of having a sex with a 9 year old when he was 54(or 52, which is it?), you say that Aisha might not have been 9 at all. Which is fairly a better stand point and acceptable to a certain degree, even though it's still strange that a man of 54 would marry a girl of 19 anything other than having sexual desires for her.


What is your benchmark, who made this bench mark? Why a good man can’t marry a girl who reached puberty if their parents will so? I don’t mind as long as he is taking care of his young wife and able to satisfy and provide the things that she requires. Anyway prophet Mohammed’s purpose of marriage to aisha was totally different. it was purely for sociopolitical reason. The Prophet’s main concern was the future of Islam. He was interested in strengthening the Muslims by all bonds. This also explains the reason why he married the daughter of `Umar, his Second Successor. It was by his marriage to Juwayriyyah that he gained the support for Islam of the whole clan of Bani Al-Mustaliq and their allied tribes. It was through his marriage to Safiyyah that he neutralized a great section of the hostile Jews of Arabia. By accepting Mariya, the Copt from Egypt, as his wife, he formed a political alliance with a king of great magnitude. So his marriage to `Aisha could never be of anything save cementing his relation with Abu Bakr, `Aisha’s father.

If indeed she had became a victim of sexual abuse she would in most probability be devastated emotionally, psychologically, mentally and perhaps even physically but the achievements she had made in her life after the death of the Prophet proved that she was a woman who was in complete control of her faculties, becoming one of the intellectual giants of Islam.

And the fact that she had spoken so dearly of the Prophet was indicative of the innocence of the marriage and of the impeccable character of her husband because given the trust enjoyed by her by the virtue of her relationship with him, she could have unleashed a vengeful attack against him by attributing to him words or deeds of horrendous nature if indeed she was a victim of his supposed lust, destroying both the Prophet and Islam.

No sexual abuse victim would ever spoke positively of her attacker, much less becoming a channel that promote love and understanding of him and the message which he had brought." it is quite surprise you and other non muslims are taking up this issues but not aisha.




This theory of yours makes no sense at all. There are many people through out the history who did hundreds of good deeds and who were praised by the society and in the end, ended up doing bad. How many good things a certain individual has done, is not a bearing to say that there's no way he could have done something bad.

For you bad thing may not be bad thing for others. Depend on the situation and purpose of the act.




.this incidence has been picked up by many non muslims who are hatred towards islam allege prophet mohammed to be a wrong man. see this matter has been made such a famous issue by christian missionaries though St. Joseph was an old man 90 at the time of marriage with the Mother of God Mary who was 12-14.this issue no one knows including christians themself,so imagine the amount of publicity made against prophet mohammed.

Irrelevant.

You are talking about age gap; I never come across someone asking to Christians the same question. Other than people bashing to prophet mohammed about his age gap with aisha.



I will bring these points forward after you provide me sources and proof to the claim that say's Aisha was actually 19 not 9. I have a reason for this. I did not say that I would base my conclusion about Prophet Muhammad on one point or one bad deed. But in Prophet Muhammad's case he didn't do it once. He married a child and had sex with her over and over until he died. He kept a child bride for many years. That is not just one bad deed. Mind you these are only the bad things he did, witch are relevant to this thread. There are many more.

19 or 9 my answer will be same, his purpose of the marriage totally different, my above replies are proving that he never fond of having child sex, neither u can bring any proof for such an incidence except his legal marriage with parents consent. As you quote He had sex with child bride until he dies; even if I agree for sake of argument, a person who has such likes should have done more than once and with more than one.also this accusation should have come from aisha herself if she was victim of this, but it is laughable that people who don’t want to see islam’s growth still keep on trying to screw the islam and its prophet with baseless points and the narrow own thinking.


No need to go in to points. One point is enough. It was quite clear to me that Prophet Muhammad was a sick man who married a child and had sex with her over and over until he died.

So really you had only one point in your careful study to conclude with. it is laughable… Your careful study looks ill and weak to me. First of all a careful study, can’t have one point to conclude with, next one careful study can’t ignore the purpose of the act and also, it has to have some more strong related proof with history of details. But you called prophet Mohammed is sick person based one legal marriage... So don’t call your study as careful study..Inshallah if you don’t trust, if u r adamant to change your mind with subjective view, time will answer you. u will regret soon.I will pray from Allah to give u good wisdom.

 

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If phophet muhammed was wise.
he would have realized from his supreme wisdom that he will be called as a PEDOPHILE in the future . so he would have been stying away from CONSUMING Ayisha at that little age and waited some time before humping her
on the other hand if all mighty allah is ALL MIGHTY and he knows the best

Allah would have prevented muhammed from nailing ayisha at the age of nine

So Either Mumammed is NOT AS WISE as muslims think or ALLAH is not knowing as best as muslims believe or muhammed don't give a shit about what allah says

which one is the possible Explanation