The Wisdom Behind Prophet Muhammad's Plural Marriages

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අනේ king of පචයෝ මේක මගේ ආගමවත් කුරනයවත් නෙවයි, එහෙත් කොයි කාටත් මෙච්චර පච කෙලින්න එපා, මොකද අද නෙට් එකේ කාටත් බොරු කරන්න බැහැ, ඇත්තයි බොරුවයි දෙකම හදුනාගන්න පුළුවං කම්මැලි නැත්තම්, ඉස්සර මම උඹ කොටන ඒවා ඇත්තද කියල සැකයකුත් තිබුන නමුත් පසුව මට තේරුම් ගියා උඹ කවුද කියන්න. උඹට මේ අපහස කිරීම් දැන් part time job එකක් වෙලා තියෙන්නේ, මම මේ උඹට හොදින් කියන්නේ කාටත් අපහස කරන්න එපා බන්, නෙට් එකේ කාටත් බොරු කරන්න බෑ ඔක්කොම අහුවනවා, අනේ මචන් මම මෙහෙම ලියුවා කියල මට කුණුහරප රෙෆ් දාන්න එපා බන් කොච්චර උනත් අපි ඔක්කොම එකයි නේ බන්.

All know ex-mu is a pathetic looser,who doesn't have the backbone to say what he follows in public but hides behind stupid arguments from failed lot like Richard dawkin..

Who cares

 

[ex-muslim Ahmed]

All know ex-mu is a pathetic looser,who doesn't have the backbone to say what he follows in public but hides behind stupid arguments from failed lot like Richard dawkin..

Who cares

Ha ha ha!

I have publicly claimed I dont follow anybody!
Richard Dawkins is a loser eh??

Yet...

The Facts remain unchanged!..

Quran was altered several times, it was erased in several chapters and written over the original text!

So answer the Facts Please!

 

[AncientGlory]

What’s wrong with you, we were talking about numbers of conversion over Christianity. Now you have worked out considering this 0.08 %( conversion over Christianity) to calculate the total conversion rate on the total growth rate of muslim. You have done a mistake here. I don’t think it is intentional.

I noticed this. That is why I emphasized two important points.

(1) We assumed that claim in Guiness book of records is true(Still No data available or provided by you as to how this claim is made)
(2) I mentioned repeatedly my calculations are a rough estimation to get an idea only.

Moving forward here are the other things to consider.

I've found some statstical data following the links given in the website http://richleebruce.com which is Richard Bruce's website. It seems that he is the guy you mentioned several times in this forum as he listed Prophet Muhammad as the number one in his list of most influential men in history.

Now according to the data taken by the "World standard for religious statistics" (A reference work published by Oxford University, however the data seems to be biased), the anual change of muslims is around 800,000 and the total change of both Christianity and Islam is around 21million. This suggests that above data in the Guiness book might be erroneous.

Apart from these I considered the following data available in the internet.

(1)Since you are a Richard Bruce fan, I am mentioning this first. Richard Bruce in his analysis mentions that growth of Islam is due to the birth rate.
(2) Since you brought forward CNN, Richard Allen Greene, World Muslim population doubling report projects - CNN News suggests "Muslim population is mainly due to birth rate"
(3)According to CIA factbook the fastest growing religion in USA as far as the percentage growth is concerned is Sikhism during the period of 1990 to 2010
(4)According the respected Pakistani-born American Muslim Dr. Ilyas Ba-Yunus 75% of new Muslim Converts in the US leave Islam within a few years.
video is available here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8EC8-aVlrE
Also look at the comments section. It is interesting.
(5) There are many cases/details given here about people who leave Islam
http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/People_Who_Left_Islam
(6) The data about the rate population growth of Islamic countries, compared to world population growth rate is a very clear indication as to how fast Islam grows because of the birth rate.

Based on these information (which I came across sometime ago) and other information as well, I made a fair conclusion that the growth of Islam is mainly due to birth rate. This might not be correct but there is a very high probability, for it to be accurate.

also you accept more than any other religion? if not, let me have some proof.

No. I do not. I haven't seen any data to support such a claim. Why don't you go ahead and prove that I'm mistaken? I don't see why I'm the one who has to prove when you are the one who is claiming Islam grows faster than any other religion.

Sorry to say your wrong calculation proves nothing. I wanted an evidence on which you said initially that Muslims Growth rate is mostly influenced by high birth rate.

Heh, here I thought numbers never lie, it is a concrete proof. Anyways not everyone can understand that. so...

 

[AncientGlory]

AncientGlory
Really..To judge a person you want to have a single wrong thing which is controversial and doubtable even among Muslims. Being you are a honest person, why don’t u discuss with me some other things in which he involved.i don’t want to doubt your intention Just because you told me many times that you are not an anti Islamist whatever you write is your personal opinion, but I need to ask you once again are u true? That u r not an anti islmaist as your thinking is same as the other anti islamist and Christian missionaries. They keep saying he had sex with child over and over. And they forgot about she is his legal wife, they had legal marriage contract, with the agreement of their parents marriage held, she reached puberty, Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries

You misunderstand my point. To judge a person, a single fault is sufficient provided that he is guilty for the wrong he is accused for. If you say otherwise you must be living in some "Bizaro" world. According to the the laws in the normal world breaking a law single time is enough to punish him. And if he is not guilty he is not guilty, that is why there is a legal term called "Beyond reasonable doubt". So which begs the question is Prophet Muhammad guilty? But the interesting question is what is he accused of?

Here is my accusation "Prophet Muhammad being a man of 54 married a girl of 6 and had sex with her at the age of 9 and continued to do so until he died".
Did he do this? Yes or No?

The anti Islamic thing is getting old. So whatever you wanna call me, is fine by me. It doesn't add anything to the discussion.

01) if he is such a character person, how many more child girl he had sex with

How is that relevant? As mentioned many times, one time is enough to know.

02) proof from aisha for disagreement for this wedding in her total life period

This means nothing. Can you bring proof to say that she did not disagree.

03) If he wanted to have child sex like that, he could have very well had even without marriage, also with more than one.

How do you know he did not? We all know that according to his laws you can have sex with slaves. How many slaves did he have? How do you know?

04) If allegation is true, he could have selected child in his other marriage as well.

Also he could just not select a child in his other marriages but only select a child in one marriage. Still the allegations are true.

05) Nowhere in his life history had he ever even alleged to be attempted for rape.

How do you know?

06) Nowhere in the history people who lived of prophet time has objected or criticized this marriage.

First how do you know? Then why would anyone want to criticize a man of militory power and risk getting killed?

If you are ready to spend some time please read this.

http://ilovezakirnaik.com/madamayeshah/index.htm

So where are the sources? Or are you suggesting that I should accept Zakir Naik's claim just because he says so in his site without any evidence to support the claim?

 

[AncientGlory]

What is your benchmark, who made this bench mark? Why a good man can’t marry a girl who reached puberty if their parents will so? I don’t mind as long as he is taking care of his young wife and able to satisfy and provide the things that she requires. Anyway prophet Mohammed’s purpose of marriage to aisha was totally different. it was purely for sociopolitical reason. The Prophet’s main concern was the future of Islam. He was interested in strengthening the Muslims by all bonds. This also explains the reason why he married the daughter of `Umar, his Second Successor. It was by his marriage to Juwayriyyah that he gained the support for Islam of the whole clan of Bani Al-Mustaliq and their allied tribes. It was through his marriage to Safiyyah that he neutralized a great section of the hostile Jews of Arabia. By accepting Mariya, the Copt from Egypt, as his wife, he formed a political alliance with a king of great magnitude. So his marriage to `Aisha could never be of anything save cementing his relation with Abu Bakr, `Aisha’s father.

If indeed she had became a victim of sexual abuse she would in most probability be devastated emotionally, psychologically, mentally and perhaps even physically but the achievements she had made in her life after the death of the Prophet proved that she was a woman who was in complete control of her faculties, becoming one of the intellectual giants of Islam.

And the fact that she had spoken so dearly of the Prophet was indicative of the innocence of the marriage and of the impeccable character of her husband because given the trust enjoyed by her by the virtue of her relationship with him, she could have unleashed a vengeful attack against him by attributing to him words or deeds of horrendous nature if indeed she was a victim of his supposed lust, destroying both the Prophet and Islam.

No sexual abuse victim would ever spoke positively of her attacker, much less becoming a channel that promote love and understanding of him and the message which he had brought." it is quite surprise you and other non muslims are taking up this issues but not aisha.

For you bad thing may not be bad thing for others. Depend on the situation and purpose of the act.

Whatever Aisha said about him does not make what he did right. How did he strengthen Islam by marrying a 6 year old child? Why couldn't he marry 10, 20 year old women instead? I agree that every act could be subjective, it's just that Muhammad's act does not show any other reason than lust.

You are talking about age gap; I never come across someone asking to Christians the same question. Other than people bashing to prophet mohammed about his age gap with aisha.

So? How is it relevant again? How is whatever thing a christian prophet did is relevant to what we are discussing here?

19 or 9 my answer will be same, his purpose of the marriage totally different, my above replies are proving that he never fond of having child sex, neither u can bring any proof for such an incidence except his legal marriage with parents consent. As you quote He had sex with child bride until he dies; even if I agree for sake of argument, a person who has such likes should have done more than once and with more than one.also this accusation should have come from aisha herself if she was victim of this, but it is laughable that people who don’t want to see islam’s growth still keep on trying to screw the islam and its prophet with baseless points and the narrow own thinking.

So really you had only one point in your careful study to conclude with. it is laughable… Your careful study looks ill and weak to me. First of all a careful study, can’t have one point to conclude with, next one careful study can’t ignore the purpose of the act and also, it has to have some more strong related proof with history of details. But you called prophet Mohammed is sick person based one legal marriage... So don’t call your study as careful study..Inshallah if you don’t trust, if u r adamant to change your mind with subjective view, time will answer you. u will regret soon.I will pray from Allah to give u good wisdom.

Wow you clearly live in a Bizaro world. Again and again you argument is if a person do a single wrong that is ok. He must do it several times to be guilty. There's no argument in my side. I guess if someone comes and rape your daughter or mother or sister that is ok since he did it only once. He must rape several other girls to be guilty. To be honest, this is just a big fat joke what you are saying. No offence. What arguments you have and it's shocking to see that you don't see what's wrong with it. Everyone else can I hope..

 

[AncientGlory]

So far the Muslim claim in this is as follows.

(1) It doesn't matter what age Aisha actually was.

(2) Obviously Prophet Muhammad is not guilty for marrying a child and having sex with her( Rape by today's standards) and thereby promoting hundreds of thousands of child abuse,death,rape,phyisical mental abuse, etc in many years to come.

(3)after all for someone to be guilty of a wrongful act, he must do it couple of times. Anyone can just go and rape a child as long as he does it only once.

(4) One would assume that being a Prophet of GOD, the prophet has responsibility in each of his actions. A normal person might think that a Prophet of GOD would know that his acts would results in such tragedies that he should retain from such acts. But no, it seems that Prophet of GOD would not give a rat's ass about any of that if he can keep a child as a bride.

(5) My conclusion is Muslim way of thinking is so far beyond normal that we would have to completely brainwash our minds to absorb the logics in it.

 

[Y2K]

So far the Muslim claim in this is as follows.

(1) It doesn't matter what age Aisha actually was.

(2) Obviously Prophet Muhammad is not guilty for marrying a child and having sex with her( Rape by today's standards) and thereby promoting hundreds of thousands of child abuse,death,rape,phyisical mental abuse, etc in many years to come.

(3)after all for someone to be guilty of a wrongful act, he must do it couple of times. Anyone can just go and rape a child as long as he does it only once.

(4) One would assume that being a Prophet of GOD, the prophet has responsibility in each of his actions. A normal person might think that a Prophet of GOD would know that his acts would results in such tragedies that he should retain from such acts. But no, it seems that Prophet of GOD would not give a rat's ass about any of that if he can keep a child as a bride.

(5) My conclusion is Muslim way of thinking is so far beyond normal that we would have to completely brainwash our minds to absorb the logics in it.

This the reason i guess

Qur'an 3:54

Arabic: ومكروا ومكر الله والله خير الماكرين

Transliteration: Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru almakireena

Literal: And they cheated/deceived and God cheated/deceived, and God (is) the best (of) the cheaters/deceivers.

දැන් ඉතින් මට කුනුහරප කමෙට්ස් දන්න එපා මෙක කුරානයෙම තියෙන දෙයක් ...කරුනාකර Justify කරන්න පුලුවන් නම්

 

[Y2K]

LOL dude, what you believe as bible is changed by men according to ways traditions of time to suite their needs throughout the history..sorry to upset you

you should sorry for allah repeating the same mistakes if his 1st revelation is wrong

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[Y2K]

You misunderstand my point. To judge a person, a single fault is sufficient provided that he is guilty for the wrong he is accused for. If you say otherwise you must be living in some "Bizaro" world. According to the the laws in the normal world breaking a law single time is enough to punish him. And if he is not guilty he is not guilty, that is why there is a legal term called "Beyond reasonable doubt". So which begs the question is Prophet Muhammad guilty? But the interesting question is what is he accused of?

Here is my accusation "Prophet Muhammad being a man of 54 married a girl of 6 and had sex with her at the age of 9 and continued to do so until he died".
Did he do this? Yes or No?

The anti Islamic thing is getting old. So whatever you wanna call me, is fine by me. It doesn't add anything to the discussion.

How is that relevant? As mentioned many times, one time is enough to know.

This means nothing. Can you bring proof to say that she did not disagree.


How do you know he did not? We all know that according to his laws you can have sex with slaves. How many slaves did he have? How do you know?

Also he could just not select a child in his other marriages but only select a child in one marriage. Still the allegations are true.

How do you know?


First how do you know? Then why would anyone want to criticize a man of militory power and risk getting killed?


So where are the sources? Or are you suggesting that I should accept Zakir Naik's claim just because he says so in his site without any evidence to support the claim?

If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself," you do well; but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors. For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. For He who said, "Do not commit adultery," also said, "Do not murder." Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty. (James 2:8-12)

 

[Y2K]

Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you. .. that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. (Galatians 5:19-21)

 

[kalugirawa]

HAPPY RAMAZAN & EID MUBARAK to all Muslim Friends

 

[Y2K]

HAPPY RAMAZAN & EID MUBARAK to all Muslim Friends

EID MUBARAK

 

[AncientGlory]

If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself," you do well; but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors. For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. For He who said, "Do not commit adultery," also said, "Do not murder." Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty. (James 2:8-12)

Do you mean to say that the Christian GOD is fair in giving punishments and judging wrongful acts?

 

[Y2K]

Do you mean to say that the Christian GOD is fair in giving punishments and judging wrongful acts?

Yeah but you have to wait till the day of the lord

 

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Masha Allah. Good Work!

 

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