Angry Ireland finally confronts Vatican over child abuse cover-ups

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    DUBLIN: From the pews and pulpits, Ireland’s Catholics are demanding that the Vatican finally come clean on its oversight role in child abuse cover-ups.
    It’s a revolution of sorts in Ireland, a nation founded on a pillar of devotion to Roman Catholicism, where many now question the church’s role in a rapidly changing society. For decades Irish leaders let archbishops vet proposed laws, declared they were Catholics first and Irishmen second, and saw crossing the church as a surefire way to lose office.
    No longer.
    The Irish are broadly lauding this week’s thunderbolt from Prime Minister Enda Kenny, who denounced the Vatican’s role in the past 17 years of abuse scandals. He accused the Holy See of downplaying “the rape and torture of children” and hiding behind its status as a sovereign state with its own secrecy-obsessed canon laws.
    Astonished cabbies pulled off the road to watch the unprecedented speech on their smartphones. Victims of clerical sexual abuse, who have spent two decades trying to be heard and believed, cheered a day they thought would never come.
    “It’s a landmark speech in emphasizing that Ireland’s historic deference to the Vatican, and to the Catholic Church generally, is over,” said Diarmaid Ferriter, professor of modern Irish history at University College Dublin.
    Even Ireland’s priests, dismayed by their church leadership, voiced support for Kenny’s attack on the Vatican.
    “The prime minister is a practicing Catholic and has a love for the Christian faith. He’s given a powerful voice to what we’ve all been thinking,” said the Rev. Tony Flannery, a leader of the Association of Catholic Priests in Ireland.
    “The vast majority of ordinary priests feel incredibly frustrated and annoyed that the Vatican never admits any wrongdoing, is not open to dialogue, and permits this cloud to hang over all our heads. It’s unfair,” he said.
    The rising church-state conflict in Ireland reflects a generation of dynamic economic and social change in this country of 4.5 million, more than 85 percent of whom identify themselves as Catholic on the census — but fewer than half of whom attend weekly Mass today.
    The decline in Catholic observance has shadowed Ireland’s first experience of prosperity during the Celtic Tiger boom of 1994-2007 and its related surge in immigration and cosmopolitan attitudes. Today’s Ireland has legalized divorce and gay partnerships, with abortion looming as the next battleground.
    Ireland’s rapid descent since 2008 to the brink of bankruptcy has radically altered the political landscape to the Vatican’s disadvantage. Kenny, leader of Ireland’s law-and-order party Fine Gael, was swept to power earlier this year alongside the left-wing and anti-clerical Labour Party.
    Suffering a historic defeat was Fianna Fail, a party that made Catholicism a core part of its identity. Its former leader, Bertie Ahern, famously addressed the parliament each Ash Wednesday with his forehead blackened — a sign he’d just come from Massachusetts Ahern’s successor, Brian Cowen, defended the Vatican’s refusal to cooperate with Irish child-abuse inquiries.
    Yet even the most devoted have found their faith tested by those investigations into the church’s concealment of child abuse by priests, nuns and other officials.
    Judge-led investigations have produced four mammoth reports since 2005 documenting how bishops shuttled known pedophiles throughout Ireland and to unwitting parishes in the United States and Australia. They detailed how tens of thousands of children suffered wide-ranging abuses in workhouse-style residential schools, and how leaders of the largest diocese in Dublin didn’t tell police of any crimes until forced by the weight of lawsuits in the mid-1990s.
    The latest investigation, into the County Cork diocese of Cloyne, was published last week. It found that officials there were still shielding suspected pedophiles from the law until 2008.
    That’s 12 years after the Irish church unveiled a new policy requiring the mandatory reporting of all suspected crimes to police. And seven years after Pope Benedict XVI, then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger and head of the Vatican’s powerful Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, ordered bishops worldwide to report all abuse cases to him, too.
    However, the Cloyne report highlighted a 1997 letter from the Vatican to Irish bishops warning them that their new crime-reporting policy undermined canon law and had not won the Holy See’s approval. For the first time, an Irish fact-finding inquiry found the Vatican culpable in promoting the culture of cover-up.
    On Thursday, the Vatican’s spokesman, the Rev. Federico Lombardi, said in response to Kenny’s speech that the Holy See will respond “when opportune to the demands of the Irish government” following the Cloyne probe.
    Lombardi expressed hope the debate on the scandals will play out “objectively” and restore a climate of trust in the church and Irish society.
    But the wounds run deep.
    Dublin Archbishop Diarmuid Martin, the church’s leading voice calling for honesty, went on Ireland’s state RTE television to declare, teary-eyed, that honest priests were being verbally assaulted by the public because of their leaders’ continuing failure to admit the truth.
    “I find myself asking today, can I be proud of the church that I’m a leader of? I have to be ashamed of this,” said Martin, who has found himself at odds with other bishops and the Vatican over his open approach.
    Martin noted that he had provided state investigators the Dublin Archdiocese’s secret files on abuse complaints — despite a lawsuit from his predecessor, Cardinal Desmond Connell, seeking to keep them locked away — and urged other dioceses to do the same.
    He described as “a cabal” those church leaders in the Vatican and Ireland who conspired to ignore both the pope’s and the Irish government’s calls for pedophiles to be identified.
    When asked if he could count on fellow Irish bishops to protect children from abuse now, Martin said, “I hope so,” but questioned whether investigators would get at the truth unless granted greater powers.
    One of Ireland’s foremost Catholic theologians, the Rev. Vincent Twomey, called on the Vatican to fire every single Irish bishop appointed before Martin’s arrival in Dublin in 2003. That would leave only seven of Ireland’s 28 bishops and archbishops in office.
    The Vatican last year declined to accept the resignations of Martin’s two auxiliary bishops in Dublin, even though Martin made it clear he wanted both gone.
    “The church in Ireland needs to unite behind the call for honesty and openness so ably promoted by Archbishop Martin,” said Twomey, who recently retired as professor of moral theology at Maynooth, the only one of Ireland’s previous eight seminaries still open today.
    “There won’t be a church left in Ireland if the church doesn’t take decisive action to reform itself. That means new leaders, new bishops,” Twomey said.
     

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    Mehe child abuse kata karena kalim mohommad karapu child abuse danna. Oya news damma kiyala ireland wala enna kattiya muslim wenne naha, hahaha, ane manda mehemath chun wena kattiya.
     

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    Mehe child abuse kata karena kalim mohommad karapu child abuse danna. Oya news damma kiyala ireland wala enna kattiya muslim wenne naha, hahaha, ane manda mehemath chun wena kattiya.

    හිනා යන වැඩෙ කියන්නෙ මෙකෙන්ම පෙනවා මෙයාලත් මේ ලමා ආපචාරවලට කැමති නැ කියලා නමුත් නබි තුමා කරපුවාම විරුද්ධ වෙන්න බයයි ? එහෙම නැති නම් ඔහු කරාට පව් නැතුව ඇති කියලා හිතනවා ද දන්නෙ නැ මොක්ද මචන් මේ විහිලුව?

    දැන් ඉතින් මාර ගෙමක් දිලා වැරදි හොයන්න බලනවා අනික් ආගම් වලත් නමුත් මම මේ මුස්ලිම් යලුවන්ට ඉතා අදාරයෙන් මතක් කරනවා ලොකයෙ කිසිදු ආගමික නායකයෙක් (බෞද්ධ,හින්දු සහ ක්‍රිස්තියානි) මෙහෙම මත බෙදයට තුඩු දුන් වැඩ කරලා නැති බව

    නමුත් අල්ලාට පොඩි favouration එකක් කරන්න පුලුවන් නම් හොදයි නමුත් එත කොට කො මේ සමනාත්මතාවය? දර්මිශ්ඨබව? ඇයි පනිවුඩකරුට එක නිතීයක් අනික් අයට තව නිතීයක් ?
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    What you anit Sematic know of truth

    When you guys have so much hate . You guys never learn. Even by terroising the muslims of this country you can never win. you are buch of liers. Mohamed never child abused. May allah take care of you. Hell fire is for you evil people who hides the truth. mohamed is mentioned in your bible . Go and check before you talk. Jesus never said I am GOD worship me in any where in Bible. Instead he said My God my god why thou has forsaken me. Check the bible
     

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    When you guys have so much hate . You guys never learn. Even by terroising the muslims of this country you can never win. you are buch of liers. Mohamed never child abused. May allah take care of you. Hell fire is for you evil people who hides the truth. mohamed is mentioned in your bible . Go and check before you talk. Jesus never said I am GOD worship me in any where in Bible. Instead he said My God my god why thou has forsaken me. Check the bible



    Originally Posted by ibnanv
    When you guys have so much hate . You guys never learn. Even by terroising the muslims of this country you can never win. you are buch of liers. Mohamed never child abused. May allah take care of you. Hell fire is for you evil people who hides the truth.

    For me God is Love bible also tells that bt for you guys I dont think Allah is Love ? you are the one who insults others and said all the bad words my friend no you are trying to point your finger to Christians I am not going to say that hell fire is waiting for you my only wish is may every human being be saved because of Jesus I will pray for you may everyone attain peace actually no human being is belongs to that horrible palce

    According to the quran you can even tell lies to promote islam this is the only one religion allow to tell lies. did you know abt that ?take a good look around man



    mohamed is mentioned in your bible No not as a prophet bt someone else, I do not want to hurt you anymore . Go and check before you talk.

    First learn your Holy book . do don't try to redefine other religions

    Jesus never said I am GOD worship me in any where in Bible.

    There no need to tell him brother people worship him he never refused it (I have clearly explained this elsewhere)

    Best Example : Thomas said felt down to his nees :MY GOD , MY LORD ! Jesus never refuse it . There is no need to Jesus say it People by seeing his good deeds & great miracles they b'live in him

    Your God just setting in that throne (not really) and try to beg worship from the poor people remember holy Quran says when God create adam & ask all the angels to bow down to Adam Devil refused to worship right ? mmmm sounds very interesting ....... so satan does like to worship bt he likes get worshipped my humans


    you do not know abt our Jesus all you know is your Muslim Jesus

    he said My God my god why thou has forsaken me. Check the bible

    you have no idead why Jesus Came to this world

    Quran says allah is the greatest plotter, I can proved that Our Jesus is not just a man but yet you do not b'live it may be because allah is a greatest deciever

    there are people like you in those days take a look at this
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2J3yuUp6XI
     

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    Do not ask lot of questions at once . one at a time

    Yes , Allah is greatest plotter. If wrenched people start to plot against good people . Allah makes their plot vain.See what Allah did to Moses by destroying Pharaoh (Rama sis the second). He said he will keep his body as a sign to Mankind. Go to Egypt and see . Or search online.

    Allah do not need Mankind or any species worship him . From a tall building Look at trees what they do they prostrate. Even the birds fly by saying his praise. Look at pope he kiss the ground. Why not you ? It is we who need him . He does not need us.
     
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