The Gift of Forgiveness

[Y2K]

Are you saying religion is equal to Christianity or Buddhism??


All good religions always promote Humanity




However I see an error in my post and a way it could have been misunderstood.

It should be corrected as while some religions do have somethings to do with such acts, people without religions also practice such good acts. Therefor such acts can be there without the practice of religion. It is not unique to religions.

Bible says God will judge accordingly so don't worry about that. but all people fall short of god'd glory because of the sin, there is no other way God can be justify his forgiveness unless you don't b'live in Jesus Christ

Yes I know there is no answer for that question. Real story or not. You slipped away from that one nicely.

I rather like to take the blame , because if i tell you the truth you won't be able to understand it

so you can say whatever you want


No I do not believe in Law of Karma.

Then do you have any other explaination for surffering in this world? I would like to to know if you have any?

 

[AncientGlory]

Then do you have any other explaination for surffering in this world? I would like to to know if you have any?

What do you mean by explanation? Suffering is there because it is there. Just like Gravity is there, it is the nature of the world.

 

[Y2K]

What do you mean by explanation? Suffering is there because it is there. Just like Gravity is there, it is the nature of the world.

Thank you for the explanation

 

[ela_eluwa120]

What do you mean by explanation? Suffering is there because it is there. Just like Gravity is there, it is the nature of the world.

Why it is the nature of the world? Why the world is in that nature rather than in a different nature?

 

[Y2K]

Forgiving someone for a wrong done to you personally is indeed highly morale and noble. It is a process that happens in your mind and no one else is affected by it except you and the forgiven party. This has nothing to do with a religion, but is individual to oneself. Many religions promote such acts.

Many can say lots of things but can you forgive other like Jesus Christ?

But forgiving for the damage done by same wrong act to society should be dealt by the society and forgiveness is rarely part of the process. A crime done against the society should be punished accordingly. This is why there are laws and a society approved sentence system. The system is built to give justice

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Yeah but when its come to personal life we have the wright to forgive others
There are things law can not bring justice

For example some of your friend now become your enemy he wil do anything to hurt you disrespect you , he does all kind of things to bring you down now this is on personal ground Criminal or Civil law can not operate on this level (I hope you are having a proper knowledge of LAW)

Other thing you should know that these so call law or system you are talking about also should implement by Humans , most of the time we can see how they bring justice If you are a president's relation this so call system treat you differently that is why I say Human's traditions or government always fail




The process of confession and forgiveness in Christianity is really difficult to grasp for me in this context. I would be sent to eternal hell fire just because I refuse to believe in/love my father. But any one can go and do murder and repent his crimes sincerely and he will be given a place in heaven. I don't see a fair system at all.

Well I think you got it completely wrong , You might be condemn to hell because you have broken the God's law not because of you refuse to believe in Jesus or GOD you are dead wrong on that my wise friend
But God given us another chance to restore that relationship trough Jesus
do not get confuse brother not any one can easily get his forgiveness you repent from the bottom of your heart then you should be like Jesus (God's way of being a true human) you should forgive others

We know in his law "Wage of sin is death" so Jesus die because of us he bear our sins he paid the penalty so if you study it carefully we can say God himself obey to his own law

Remember one thing God can only justify his forgiveness if you Trust in Jesus only

He paid the penalty now it your turn to claim for it

 

[AncientGlory]

Why it is the nature of the world? Why the world is in that nature rather than in a different nature?

I don't think anyone can know that. One knows gravity is there and can explain the nature of gravity. But no one knows why gravity is there.

 

[AncientGlory]

Well I think you got it completely wrong , You might be condemn to hell because you have broken the God's law not because of you refuse to believe in Jesus or GOD.

Isn't it GOD's law that I should believe in him?

My question is simple. GOD forgives a murderer if he believes. He puts me in hell because I don't believe. Do you see a fair system there??

 

[djrox91]

Thanks for sharing machan

 

[ela_eluwa120]

I don't think anyone can know that. One knows gravity is there and can explain the nature of gravity. But no one knows why gravity is there.

Well, X is inexplicable if and only if X is ultimate.God would be a candidate for such ultimate thing indeed.

 

[Y2K]

I don't think anyone can know that. One knows gravity is there and can explain the nature of gravity. But no one knows why gravity is there.

An Atheist like you have no answer for that but Gravity is there to support life bible says all physical laws are fixed it will be the same till the end of time

John 1:1 says “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.”

Only through discoveries of the 20th century and DNA do we now know that words and language are the basis of all creative acts; that without code (the genetic code) replication of cells and even any kind of evolution would be impossible. (Taken from another website article)

John 1:1 is a theological statement that appears to extend to philosophy and science as well: That conception always precedes embodiment; that idea must come before implementation. Mind over matter.


Question should be "Can life exists without gravity?"

This world is finely tuned to support life

This is the reason do have no answer

Hebrews 11:3 makes it more specific stating, “The universe that we detect was made from that which we cannot detect.” We can make detections within matter, energy, length, width, height and time, but not beyond.

The New Testament author of Hebrews wrote, "The universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible" (Heb. 11:3). The universe did not come from anything detectable. Researchers can detect matter, energy, and all the space-time dimensions associated with them. so the Ctreato is said to have produced the detectable universe from that which cannot, by human means, be detected. Amoung all the "holy" books of the world's major religions, this idea in a coherent form is unique to the Bible.

 

[Y2K]

Isn't it GOD's law that I should believe in him? No he has given you freedom of choice but you should obey his laws you always got confused it seems


My question is simple. GOD forgives a murderer if he believes. He puts me in hell because I don't believe. Do you see a fair system there??

Your Question may be simple but my answer is not that simple one

Brother Some question should not answer just saying YES or No, some answers need a proper explaination but I can tell you one thing"Salvation does not come that easily "

Well Murderer deserve death but If he really repent and b'live in Jesus the son of God (God's way of being a human) God's can justify it trough Jesus (because Jesus paid the ultimate panalty) actaully that is why i said Jesus Christ become "obiter dicta" to save all human

I know this concept is very difficult you to understand but if you carefully study the bible I think that is fair enough

Here is the very interesting Explaination from our Lord Jesus Christ regarding this issue

Jesus replied, “I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave to sin 35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. 37 I know you are Abraham’s descendants. Yet you are ready to kill me, because you have no room for my word. 38 I am telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence, and you do what you have heard from your father"

Back to your question again "GOD forgives a murderer if he believes"?

Brother it is not a easy thing as you say take a look at this verse,

Faith and Deeds

14 What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? 15 Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to him, “Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”

Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

20 You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is uselessd? 21Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,”e and he was called God’s friend. 24 You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.

25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

කොල්ලො පොඩ්ඩක් හිතන්න මේ කතාව දැනගෙන මිනීමරුවෙකු ජෙසුස් වහන්සෙ කෙරෙහි විශ්වාස කරනවා අවසනයෙ ගැලවිමක් බලාපොරොත්තුවෙන් නමුත් ඔහු ගෙ සිත් හැරිමක් සිදුවෙන්නෙ නැ එ කියන්නෙ ක්‍රියාවෙන් ඔප්පු වෙන්නෙ නැ ඔහුගෙ විශ්චාසය එහෙම අයට ගැලවිම ලැබෙන්නෙ නැ

මම ජෙසුස් වහන්සෙව පිලිගන්නවා කියන්නෙ මම අසල්වැසියන්ට ප්‍රමකරන්න ඔනැ හදවතින්ම ඇත්තටම අපි එතුමා වගෙ වෙන්න ඔනැ එක එතරම් ලෙසි නැ නමුත් ශුද්ධාත්ම මග මෙන්විම හමුවෙ කිසිවක් ආමාරුත් නැ

ඔබට තවමත් හිතෙනවා නම් එක අසාදාරණයි කියලා මට කරන්න දෙයක් නැ සමහර විට ඔබ යම් කිසි වරදක් කරලා දඩුවම් නියම වුනාම තෙරෙවි ගැලවිමෙ මර්ගයක ඇති වටිනාකම ඇත්තටම අපි ඒයට සුදුසු නැ නමුත් එතුමන් අපිට ගොඩාක් අදරෙයි

මම තව පොඩි උදාහරනයක් ගෙන එන්නම් අපි දන්නවා ජනාදිපති තුමාට බලය තියෙන්වා නිදහස් දවසට හො වෙසක් දිනයට හොදින් ඉන්න සිරකරුවන්ව නිදහස් කරන්න ඉතින් ඔබ තුමා වගෙ අය කියන්න පුලුවන් එකත් නතර කරන්න කියලා නමුත් ඔහුව ගොඩාක්ම ඔනැ වන්නෙ ඔහුගෙ බිරිදට, ලමයින් ට නමුත් ඔබ ඔහුගෙ පැත්තෙන් හිතුවොත් ඔබ කවමදාකදිවත් සිරකරුවන් නිදහස් කරන එක නරකයි කියන ඒකක් නැ සමහර විට එහෙම හිතුවත් ඔබට එම අවස්තාවට මුහුන දුන් විට තෙරෙවි එහි වටිනාකම

ඉතින් ගැලවිමෙ මර්ගයත් මෙ වගෙයි මෙහිදි නිකම්ම ගැලවිම ලැබුවෙ නැ දෙවියන්ගෙ පුත්‍රයාටම එහි දඩුවම විදින්න වුනා

අමතක කර්නන එපා එදා පිලත්ගෙ නිතිය යටතෙ එක් සිරකරුවෙකු නිදහස් කරන්න හැකියාවක් තිබුනා පිලාත් කැමති වුනෙ ජෙසුස් වහන්සෙව නිදහස් කරන්න නමුත් නපුරු මිනිස්සු එදා ජෙසුස් වහන්සෙව කුරුසයට නියම කෙරෙනු ලැබුවා එතනදිත් වුනෙ "සැබැ වරදකරු නිදහස ලැබුවා, කිසිදු වරදක් නොකරපු ජෙසුස් වහන්සෙ මරණයට නියම වුනා" මෙ දෙ අදත් මෙ ලොකයෙ අනන්තව සිදුවන දෙයක් මට කියන්න ඔනැ වෙන්නෙ මෙ ලොකය ගැන නෙමෙයි මෙතන යම් කිසි ගැබුරු සතයක් තියෙන්නෙ අර ජෙසුස් වහන්සෙ නිසා මරණයෙන් නිදහස් වුනෙ ඔබ සහ මම, මා වෙනුවෙන් මරනයට පත් වුනෙ ජෙසුස් වහන්සෙ

 

[AncientGlory]

Well, X is inexplicable if and only if X is ultimate.God would be a candidate for such ultimate thing indeed.

Define ultimate first. Anything can be ultimate, depends on the view of observer.

 

[AncientGlory]

An Atheist like you have no answer for that but Gravity is there to support life bible says all physical laws are fixed it will be the same till the end of time

Providing a religious book as evidence. EPIC. Yeah yeah, I should believe because it is is said so in the bible, that Gravity is there to support life. lol.
I'm quite sure gravity is put there by FSM, so that he could skateboard.

 

[AncientGlory]

Your Question may be simple but my answer is not that simple one

Brother Some question should not answer just saying YES or No, some answers need a proper explaination but I can tell you one thing"Salvation does not come that easily "

Well Murderer deserve death but If he really repent and b'live in Jesus the son of God (God's way of being a human) God's can justify it trough Jesus (because Jesus paid the ultimate panalty) actaully that is why i said Jesus Christ become "obiter dicta" to save all human

I know this concept is very difficult you to understand but if you carefully study the bible I think that is fair enough

Here is the very interesting Explaination from our Lord Jesus Christ regarding this issue

Jesus replied, “I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave to sin 35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. 37 I know you are Abraham’s descendants. Yet you are ready to kill me, because you have no room for my word. 38 I am telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence, and you do what you have heard from your father"

Back to your question again "GOD forgives a murderer if he believes"?

Brother it is not a easy thing as you say take a look at this verse,

Faith and Deeds

14 What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? 15 Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to him, “Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”

Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

20 You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is uselessd? 21Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,”e and he was called God’s friend. 24 You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.

25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

කොල්ලො පොඩ්ඩක් හිතන්න මේ කතාව දැනගෙන මිනීමරුවෙකු ජෙසුස් වහන්සෙ කෙරෙහි විශ්වාස කරනවා අවසනයෙ ගැලවිමක් බලාපොරොත්තුවෙන් නමුත් ඔහු ගෙ සිත් හැරිමක් සිදුවෙන්නෙ නැ එ කියන්නෙ ක්‍රියාවෙන් ඔප්පු වෙන්නෙ නැ ඔහුගෙ විශ්චාසය එහෙම අයට ගැලවිම ලැබෙන්නෙ නැ

මම ජෙසුස් වහන්සෙව පිලිගන්නවා කියන්නෙ මම අසල්වැසියන්ට ප්‍රමකරන්න ඔනැ හදවතින්ම ඇත්තටම අපි එතුමා වගෙ වෙන්න ඔනැ එක එතරම් ලෙසි නැ නමුත් ශුද්ධාත්ම මග මෙන්විම හමුවෙ කිසිවක් ආමාරුත් නැ

ඔබට තවමත් හිතෙනවා නම් එක අසාදාරණයි කියලා මට කරන්න දෙයක් නැ සමහර විට ඔබ යම් කිසි වරදක් කරලා දඩුවම් නියම වුනාම තෙරෙවි ගැලවිමෙ මර්ගයක ඇති වටිනාකම ඇත්තටම අපි ඒයට සුදුසු නැ නමුත් එතුමන් අපිට ගොඩාක් අදරෙයි

මම තව පොඩි උදාහරනයක් ගෙන එන්නම් අපි දන්නවා ජනාදිපති තුමාට බලය තියෙන්වා නිදහස් දවසට හො වෙසක් දිනයට හොදින් ඉන්න සිරකරුවන්ව නිදහස් කරන්න ඉතින් ඔබ තුමා වගෙ අය කියන්න පුලුවන් එකත් නතර කරන්න කියලා නමුත් ඔහුව ගොඩාක්ම ඔනැ වන්නෙ ඔහුගෙ බිරිදට, ලමයින් ට නමුත් ඔබ ඔහුගෙ පැත්තෙන් හිතුවොත් ඔබ කවමදාකදිවත් සිරකරුවන් නිදහස් කරන එක නරකයි කියන ඒකක් නැ සමහර විට එහෙම හිතුවත් ඔබට එම අවස්තාවට මුහුන දුන් විට තෙරෙවි එහි වටිනාකම

ඉතින් ගැලවිමෙ මර්ගයත් මෙ වගෙයි මෙහිදි නිකම්ම ගැලවිම ලැබුවෙ නැ දෙවියන්ගෙ පුත්‍රයාටම එහි දඩුවම විදින්න වුනා

අමතක කර්නන එපා එදා පිලත්ගෙ නිතිය යටතෙ එක් සිරකරුවෙකු නිදහස් කරන්න හැකියාවක් තිබුනා පිලාත් කැමති වුනෙ ජෙසුස් වහන්සෙව නිදහස් කරන්න නමුත් නපුරු මිනිස්සු එදා ජෙසුස් වහන්සෙව කුරුසයට නියම කෙරෙනු ලැබුවා එතනදිත් වුනෙ "සැබැ වරදකරු නිදහස ලැබුවා, කිසිදු වරදක් නොකරපු ජෙසුස් වහන්සෙ මරණයට නියම වුනා" මෙ දෙ අදත් මෙ ලොකයෙ අනන්තව සිදුවන දෙයක් මට කියන්න ඔනැ වෙන්නෙ මෙ ලොකය ගැන නෙමෙයි මෙතන යම් කිසි ගැබුරු සතයක් තියෙන්නෙ අර ජෙසුස් වහන්සෙ නිසා මරණයෙන් නිදහස් වුනෙ ඔබ සහ මම, මා වෙනුවෙන් මරනයට පත් වුනෙ ජෙසුස් වහන්සෙ

So in other words Forgiving someone who do murder while punishing someone for eternity who has done no harm to any single thing, but who refuse to believe in GOD is a fair according to you.

LOL, so even if a guy comes and murder you mother, that is fine as long as he asks for forgiveness truly. What a bizzare and sick fucked up world you live in man. If you teach this to more people, the world will be in chaos. Do whatever shit you like, it doesn't matter, you repent truly and your place in heaven is saved. This is what extreme islamic suicide bombers do too right? So it is justified in bible too?

So here's the basic Christian logic.

(1) You can do whatever bad thing you want. It can be eliminating all humans from earth, mass murder, whatever kind of shit thing you can think of.
(2) But believe in GOD, repent your sins trully, sincerely.
(3) All your sins will be forgiven, you will be given a place in heaven with the father.

LOL. what sick logic. Why would anyone in his right mind would follow such hateful, harmful religion is beyond me.

 

[Y2K]

Define ultimate first. Anything can be ultimate, depends on the view of observer.

Anything can be ultimate ?

Ok We'll call you Ultimate AcientGlory

 

[Y2K]

Providing a religious book as evidence. EPIC. Yeah yeah, I should believe because it is is said so in the bible, that Gravity is there to support life. lol.
I'm quite sure gravity is put there by FSM, so that he could skateboard.

Brother are you the son of FSM ? Did came to this world to claim to be all loving GOD? can he die for you?

DO not talk nonsense brother

FSM are your own imagination but our God is not our Imagination Jesus came to this world and did no man can ever do

Lord Buddha came to this world to show "Nibbana"

Quran has given to Mohammed which they believe God's last revelation

all of them came to this world , whole world knows it but where on earth you get that idea of FSM?

 

[Y2K]

So in other words Forgiving someone who do murder while punishing someone for eternity who has done no harm to any single thing, but who refuse to believe in GOD is a fair according to you.

Eternity? he will judge the world accordingly brother, You have no idea of true repentance that is why you talk like this but your life can be more dangerous than a murderer , sometime you are killing more people without any physical weapons

Truth is we all sinners in some way or another but Jesus gave a solution but yet you are so arrogant to except your faults

May God forgives you

World without forgiveness is a real hell, world without LOVE has no meaning

LOL, so even if a guy comes and murder you mother, that is fine as long as he asks for forgiveness truly.

Brother you should be able to forgive that guy too it is upto him to repent and ask forgiveness from our Lord
(mchan but do not try to kill my mother now ok) you can not cheat GOD , do you think people kill another person without any reason?

What a bizzare and sick fucked up world you live in man.

you are so pissed off with God forgiveness ha ? Brother I assure you on that great day you are the one who needed it most so beware of that

If you teach this to more people, the world will be in chaos. Do whatever shit you like, it doesn't matter, you repent truly and your place in heaven is saved. This is what extreme islamic suicide bombers do too right? So it is justified in bible too?

Brother Did Jesus ever told you to become a suicide bombers? do not mixed up our religion with others ok

You said if I teach this love & Forgiveness this world be in chaos ...ha ? brother this world is already become a living hell because people does not love one another , people doesn't forgive each other just think about it man

Brother do you really think what Jesus said was wrong? I dont think so

14 For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins Matthew 6:14

Matthew 18:35 "This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother from your heart."


Mark 11:25 And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive him, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins."

So my dear friend today you say forgive others is not a good thing , so you do not b'live in forgiveness so same thing you can except from the Father
(that is fair isn't it) because you said you don't need any forgiveness right that is how the judgement works

So here's the basic Christian logic.

(1) You can do whatever bad thing you want. It can be eliminating all humans from earth, mass murder, whatever kind of shit thing you can think of.

Brother do not insult my Jesus, this is not God taught us, Bible’s Cleary given some basic rules

you know nothing about Christianity dude

there is a nice saying "You have to know the law, to break the law"

(2) But believe in GOD, repent your sins trully, sincerely.

Yes Forgive others you will recieve forgiveness from GOD

and try to learn more about true Repentance OK

(3) All your sins will be forgiven, you will be given a place in heaven with the father.

Brother wages of sin is death , if you can pay the panalty only you can be free

LOL. what sick logic. Why would anyone in his right mind would follow such hateful, harmful religion is beyond me.

This may be sick logic to you now but when the son of man come you will sure cry


Jesus talks about people like you ..... (about the Judgement)

 

[Y2K]

මේ Acientglory වගෙ කට්ටිය එදාත් හිටියා කාමමිච්චාරයෙ යෙදුන ගැහැනියක් ගෙනවා ජෙසුස් වහන්සෙව පරික්ශා කරන්න අපි බලමු මොකද වෙන්නෙ ඉලගට කියලා


1 But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 2 At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4 and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” 6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.

But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”

11 “No one, sir,” she said.

“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

I do not Condemn you Either. Go and do not sin again. - Amen

 

[Y2K]

Jesus replied. 26 “I have much to say in judgment of you. But he who sent me is reliable, and what I have heard from him I tell the world.”

 

[AncientGlory]

Brother are you the son of FSM ? Did came to this world to claim to be all loving GOD? can he die for you?

Yes, Yes and Yes.

DO not talk nonsense brother

Read the Gospel of FSM and you'll understand brother.

FSM are your own imagination but our God is not our Imagination Jesus came to this world and did no man can ever do

FSM is not imagination there are much evidence as to his existence. Here's one.

all of them came to this world , whole world knows it but where on earth you get that idea of FSM?

FSM came to world to show the true path. You don't know anything about him.