Free Will and Omnimax GOD and the test

[AncientGlory]

Does the concept of free will contradict with an all knowing GOD?

If GOD knows everything and is omnipresence he would knows when he created me, that I'm gonna die an atheist and go to hell. That is how created me. It is his will. Where did I get the chance to exercise my free will?

 

[ela_eluwa120]

I doubt it.

 

[AncientGlory]

I doubt it.

Care to explain?

 

[mensoft2003]

Does the concept of free will contradict with an all knowing GOD?

If GOD knows everything and is omnipresence he would knows when he created me, that I'm gonna die an atheist and go to hell. That is how created me. It is his will. Where did I get the chance to exercise my free will?

Just tell Y2K he will help you

 

[ela_eluwa120]

Care to explain?

I doubt whether the statement that God knows what would happen in future entails that God does the things that are to happen in the future.

 

[AncientGlory]

Just tell Y2K he will help you

I doubt it. lol

 

[AncientGlory]

I doubt whether the statement that God knows what would happen in future entails that God does the things that are to happen in the future.

You are right. I have failed to emphasize one important variable in the equation. So let me rephrase the question. It is the belief of some theists that everything that happens is GODs will. If so where did I get the chance to exercise my free will?

 

[ela_eluwa120]

You are right. I have failed to emphasize one important variable in the equation. So let me rephrase the question. It is the belief of some theists that everything that happens is GODs will. If so where did I get the chance to exercise my free will?

Well, in that case, some theists think that we are determined by God's will. One example would be Spinoza.

 

[ela_eluwa120]

Just tell Y2K he will help you

So, what do you think machan...

 

[mensoft2003]

I doubt it. lol

doubt ? R U crazy ? Just ask from him and see . or else just wait till he see this thread. you will have enough of copy,paste .

 

[mensoft2003]

So, what do you think machan...

thinking these kind of thins are bullshits.

 

[mensoft2003]

So, what do you think machan...

thinking these kind of thins are bullshits.

 

[ela_eluwa120]

thinking these kind of thins are bullshits.

thinking these kind of thins are bullshits.

Care to explain?? *

*©AG

 

[ColdBreath]

Saying God is all knowing and all mighty contradicts the statement that God has given the humans a free will. If God has given humans, a free will, then God is not all knowing. Because, if humans have free will, they can do anything they like. In which case, God is not all knowing. And God can't be all mighty because he simply can't stop humans from doing what they will because he has given free will. Which falsifies the first statement, 'God is all knowing and all mighty'. All mighty and all knowing God does not stack with human free will.

Besides, if God created everything, then who created sin? If man created sin then how can you say God created everything? Again a contradiction.

My knowledge in the subject of God is very limited. So bear with me if I've said anything wrong here. And I humbly request you to correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[AncientGlory]

Well, in that case, some theists think that we are determined by God's will. One example would be Spinoza.

If we are determined by GOD, then we don't have free will. Correct?

 

[AncientGlory]

Saying God is all knowing and all mighty contradicts the statement that God has given the humans a free will. If God has given humans, a free will, then God is not all knowing. Because, if humans have free will, they can do anything they like. In which case, God is not all knowing. And God can't be all mighty because he simply can't stop humans from doing what they will because he has given free will. Which falsifies the first statement, 'God is all knowing and all mighty'. All mighty and all knowing God does not stack with human free will.

Besides, if God created everything, then who created sin? If man created sin then how can you say God created everything? Again a contradiction.

My knowledge in the subject of God is very limited. So bear with me if I've said anything wrong here. And I humbly request you to correct me if I'm wrong.

Very interesting and logical points. I wonder any theist would share his/her ideas on these.

edit:
Can't give you rep. But these points definitely deserve reputation.

 

[ela_eluwa120]

If we are determined by GOD, then we don't have free will. Correct?

Well. I don't think that "not determined" count as freedom. Indeterminism is not freewill.

 

[ela_eluwa120]

If we are determined by GOD, then we don't have free will. Correct?

Well. I don't think that "not determined" count as freedom. Indeterminism is not freewill.

Even if we are not determined by God (or by laws of nature), that does not mean that we have freewill.

 

[ela_eluwa120]

Saying God is all knowing and all mighty contradicts the statement that God has given the humans a free will. If God has given humans, a free will, then God is not all knowing. Because, if humans have free will, they can do anything they like. In which case, God is not all knowing. And God can't be all mighty because he simply can't stop humans from doing what they will because he has given free will. Which falsifies the first statement, 'God is all knowing and all mighty'. All mighty and all knowing God does not stack with human free will.

Besides, if God created everything, then who created sin? If man created sin then how can you say God created everything? Again a contradiction.

My knowledge in the subject of God is very limited. So bear with me if I've said anything wrong here. And I humbly request you to correct me if I'm wrong.

Very interesting!! Plus, as AG pointed out, this deserves reputation. Nonetheless, few points are worth noting.

First of all, saying that God knows what you would do in the future does not entails that God decides the things you are going to do in the future. There may be things that you do based on your free-will, God only have the knowledge about these things. Omniscience of God does not mean that God decides what you are doing. It, instead , merely says that God have the complete knowledge of what you decide. Ergo, there is no contradiction.

Second, omnipotence of God, by definition, means that God can do every possible thing, at least according to my knowledge of Christian theology. Omnipotence of God does not declare that God can do impossible things. So, God can't create round squares, God can't create rocks that are heavier than he can lift, for example. You are correct in saying that God can't stop the acts that we do based on our free-will. However, given the above reasons, it does not invalidates the omnipotence of God.

 

[AncientGlory]

Even if we are not determined by God (or by laws of nature), that does not mean that we have freewill.

That is true. But I'm not talking about not being determined and what attributes we'd have then. The question is if we are determined, then we surely lack the fee will. Even if we are not determined we might not have free will, but that is not relevant.