Does Al Quran promote killing of Non-Believers??

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    And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.


    8.12

    When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying): I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.






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    Now when ye meet in battle those who disbelieve, then it is smiting of the necks until, when ye have routed them, then making fast of bonds; and afterward either grace or ransom till the war lay down its burdens. That (is the ordinance). And if Allah willed He could have punished them (without you) but (thus it is ordained) that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He rendereth not their actions vain.


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    O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).


    Can Quran be the word of God if it contain and advocate violence of this nature?? whats the divinity in asking for killing of non-believers? where is the compassion and kindness?? Isnt this cheap jealosy ? where is the religious tolerance of this god -allah???:no:




     

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    It is the duty and obligation of the Muslims to establish proof and validity of islam to the people in order for the truth to be disntinct from falsehood. Muslims must present the truth and proofs of Islam and then allow others the freedom of choice to accept or reject the proofs.

    Once that is done, whoever wishes to accept Islam may do so and whoever desires to continue in some other way may do so.

    No one is to be threatened or harmed in any way for choosing not to accept Islam.

    Everyone is offered the following three options when Islamic Law is in force:

    1. Accept that there is only One diety to worship and obey His commandments (i.e.; be a Muslim)


    2. Reject Islam but agree to live together in peace without waging war or subverting or contriving against authority.



    The word "jihad" is often associated with something similar to the "Holy Wars" - wherein military expeditions were undertaken by the Crusaders under the orders from the Pope of the Catholic Church in the 11th, 12th, and 13th centuries against the people of Jerusalem, wherein they killed anyone and everyone without discretion, including Jews, Muslims and even non-Catholic Christians.

    Blood was spilled without regard to human life to the extent it was reported "We were in blood up to the legs of our horses". The crusaders carried away great wealth and some knights even built their own mini-kingdoms.
    Islam had forbidden anything like this five hundred (500) years prior with the revelation in Quran clearly enjoining upon the believers never to engage against those who are not engaging against you in warfare.


    Other limits were also imposed, such as not killing anyone who was not actually fighting, not killing the clergy, sparing the lives of women, children, livestock and not even destroying agriculture or infracstructure.



    The Quran was the first document of its kind in history to offer limitations and restrictions in open combat. Muslims were forbidden to engage in any combat for personal gain, revenge, or tribal disputes common at the time of revelation.
    Muslims were ordered not to engage in combat of any kind except within the very strict limitations offered by Almighty Allah.


    Enemies who were captured were not to be tortured or subjected to humiliation for the sake of entertainment, personal vindication or revenge. Captured prisoners were offered the same food and drink as the Muslims, given the opportunity to learn about Islam and witness the humble devotion of Muslims toward Almighty God.


    In some cases prisoners were offered freedom in exchange for teaching and educating the Muslims. Others accepted Islam and were totally accepted as Muslims citizens within the community of the believers.



    Among the many decisive pieces of evidence in Islam to prove that There is no compulsion in Islam are the following:
    Allah says in His Quran: Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth has been made clear from error. Whoever rejects false worship and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that never breaks. And Allah hears and knows all things. [Surah al-Baqarah: 256]

    Allah also says in Quran: If it had been your Lord's will, all of the people on Earth would have believed. Would you then compel the people so to have them believe? [Surah Yunus: 99]

    And Allah says: So if they dispute with you, say I have submitted my whole self to Allah, and so have those who follow me. And say to the People of the Scripture and to the unlearned: Do you also submit yourselves? If they do, then they are on right guidance. But if they turn away, your duty is only to convey the Message. And in Allah's sight are all of His servants. [Surah Al `Imran: 20]

    Allah The Almighty has also said: The Messenger's duty is but to proclaim the Message. [Surah Al-Maidah: 99]

    It is important to note that these last two verses were revealed in Madinah. This is significant, since it shows that the ruling they gave was not just contingent on the Muslims being in Mecca in a state of weakness.



    Some people might be wondering that if Islam indeed advocates such an approach, then what is all this we hear about jihad? How can we explain the warfare that the Prophet (peace be upon him) and his Companions waged against the pagans?

    The answer to this is that jihad in Islamic Law can be waged for a number of reasons, but compelling people to accept Islam is simply not one of them.

    The reason why jihad was first permitted in Islam was so the Muslims could defend themselves against persecution and expulsion from their homes.

    Allah, Most High says: To those against whom war is made, permission is given (to fight), because they are wronged and verily Allah is Most Powerful for their aid (They are) those who have been expelled from their homes in defiance of right (for no cause) except that they say, Our Lord is Allah. Did Allah not check one set of people by means of another, there would surely have been pulled down monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques, in which the name of Allah is commemorated in abundant measure. Allah will certainly aid those who aid his cause, for truly Allah is full of strength and might. [Surah al-Hajj: 39-40]

    Many of the earliest scholars mention that these were the first verses of the Quran that was revealed regarding jihad. Thereafter the following verses were revealed:

    Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loves not transgressors. And slay them wherever you catch them and drive them out from whence they drove you out, for oppression is worse than killing. But fight them not at the sacred mosque unless they fight you there. But if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression and there prevail justice and faith in Allah. But if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression.
    [Surah al-Baqarah: 190-193]



    The Prophet (peace be upon him) said in his letter to the Roman governor Heracles: I invite you to accept Islam. If you accept Islam, you will find safety. If you accept Islam, Allah will give you a double reward. However, if you turn away, upon you will be the sin of your subjects. [Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim]

    Once people have heard the Message without obstruction or hindrance and the proof has been established upon them, then the duty of the Muslims is done. Those who wish to believe are free to do so and those who prefer to disbelieve are likewise free to do so.

    Even when the Muslims are compelled to fight and then subdue the land, their duty thereafter is to establish Allah's law in the land and uphold justice for all people, Muslim and non-Muslim. It is not their right to coerce their subjects to accept Islam against their will. Non-Muslims under Muslim rule must be allowed to remain on their own faith and must be allowed to practice the rights of their faith, though they will be expected to respect the laws of the land.

    Had the purpose of jihad been to force the unbelievers to accept Islam, the Prophet (peace be upon him) would never have commanded the Muslims to refrain from hostilities if the enemy relented. He would not have prohibited the killing of women and children. However, this is exactly what he did.

    During a battle, the Prophet (peace be upon him) saw people gathered together. He dispatched a man to find out why they were gathered. The man returned and said: They are gathered around a slain woman. So Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said: She should not have been attacked! Khalid b. al-Walid was leading the forces, so he dispatched a man to him saying: Tell Khalid not to kill women or laborers. [Sunan Abu Dawud]

    Note: This should not be misconstrued to indicate that the prophet, peace be upon him, made the killing of women (and children, elders, clerics and other innocents) to be haram (forbidden) at this particular point and time. In fact, it had always been haram(forbidden) and the prophet, peace be upon him, was only reconfirming what was already in place by the shari'ah (Islamic Law).[Y. Estes]
     

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    This is further emphasized by a few verses later where Allah says: Will you not fight people who broke their covenants and plotted to expel the Messenger and attacked you first? [Surah al-Tawbah: 13]



    Ibn al-Arabi, in his commentary on the Quran, writes: It is clear from this that the meaning of this verse is to kill the pagans who are waging war against you.[Ahkam al-Quran: (2/456)]

    Islam commands the Muslims to be just with people of other faiths, whether they be Jews, Christians, or pagans. Islam calls us to treat them kindly and try to win their hearts as long as they do not take up arms against us. Allah says: Allah forbids you not with regard to those who neither fight against you for your faith nor drive you out of your homes from dealing kindly and justly with them, for Allah loves those who are just. [Surah al-Mumtahanah: 9-10]

    Allah commands Muslims to respect their non-Muslim parents and to accompany them in this world in a good manner.

    The Quran commands us to argue with them in the best manner. Allah says: Argue with the People of the Scripture in the best manner except those among them who act oppressively. Say: We believe in the revelation that has come down to us and in that which came down to you. Our God and your God is one, and it is to Him we submit ourselves as Muslims. [Surah al-Ankabût: 46]

    We are ordered to uphold our covenants with the non-Muslims and not betray them or transgress against them. The Prophet (peace be upon him) gave a stern warning to us against killing a non-Muslim with whom we are at peace. He said: Whoever kills one with whom we have a covenant will not smell the scent of Paradise. [Sahih Muslim]

    The faith of a Muslim is not acceptable unless he believes in all of the Prophets who were sent before (peace be upon them all). Allah says: O you who believe! Believe in Allah, His Messenger, the scripture that He revealed to His messenger and the scripture that he revealed before. Whoever disbelieves in Allah, His angels, His books, His Messengers, and the Last Day has gone far astray.[Surah al-Nisa]
     
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    ketiyen kiyanam.. Yes a' Islam aagamata wiruddawa Yudddayakata Islam aagama winasha karannata Ena Non-Muslim witharak newei Even Eya muslim kenek unath Eyawa Yuddayak karala Eyawa marannata Puluwan...

    Islam Kiyanney bawana karan palliyata gihilla 5time pray karana ekai puda poojaa pawath wana eka witharak newei Islam Kiyanney Loke thiyena Ekthara Jeewana Kramayak A'ke Kenek Ipaduna Eke indala marena thuru eyage Live ekay ena hama deytama kramayak kiyana system ekak..
    so A'ka winasha karannata hithana kath ekka unath yuddayak karala Islam aagama aaraksha karannata Islam Kiyala deela thiyenney.. A'ka Islam Kiyana aanduwe Al Kur aan Kiyana Wiyawasthawe A'ka ganath sandahan karala thiyenney.. nathuwa nikan kawath marana kiyanawa newei.. Ehema kiyana eka waradi.. :)
     

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    gazaly said:
    ketiyen kiyanam.. Yes a' Islam aagamata wiruddawa Yudddayakata Islam aagama winasha karannata Ena Non-Muslim witharak newei Even Eya muslim kenek unath Eyawa Yuddayak karala Eyawa marannata Puluwan...

    Islam Kiyanney bawana karan palliyata gihilla 5time pray karana ekai puda poojaa pawath wana eka witharak newei Islam Kiyanney Loke thiyena Ekthara Jeewana Kramayak A'ke Kenek Ipaduna Eke indala marena thuru eyage Live ekay ena hama deytama kramayak kiyana system ekak..
    so A'ka winasha karannata hithana kath ekka unath yuddayak karala Islam aagama aaraksha karannata Islam Kiyala deela thiyenney.. A'ka Islam Kiyana aanduwe Al Kur aan Kiyana Wiyawasthawe A'ka ganath sandahan karala thiyenney.. nathuwa nikan kawath marana kiyanawa newei.. Ehema kiyana eka waradi.. :)


    oba hari man full story ekama demma uda nettam ahanawane ko proof kiyala hadeeth ekka daala tiyanne jazakalla kahair bro 4 quick reply :)
     

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    sirajstc said:
    oba hari man full story ekama demma uda nettam ahanawane ko proof kiyala hadeeth ekka daala tiyanne jazakalla kahair bro 4 quick reply :)

    Kochchara proofs, explanations, clarifications... dunnath wedak nehe kollo.. me yaka kohetma owa piliganne nehe.... for sure... he will say upside down from ur answers too.... :baffled: :angry: :growl:
     

    ex-muslim Ahmed

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    Is this a joke??

    gazaly said:
    ketiyen kiyanam.. Yes a' Islam aagamata wiruddawa Yudddayakata Islam aagama winasha karannata Ena Non-Muslim witharak newei Even Eya muslim kenek unath Eyawa Yuddayak karala Eyawa marannata Puluwan...

    Islam Kiyanney bawana karan palliyata gihilla 5time pray karana ekai puda poojaa pawath wana eka witharak newei Islam Kiyanney Loke thiyena Ekthara Jeewana Kramayak A'ke Kenek Ipaduna Eke indala marena thuru eyage Live ekay ena hama deytama kramayak kiyana system ekak..
    so A'ka winasha karannata hithana kath ekka unath yuddayak karala Islam aagama aaraksha karannata Islam Kiyala deela thiyenney.. A'ka Islam Kiyana aanduwe Al Kur aan Kiyana Wiyawasthawe A'ka ganath sandahan karala thiyenney.. nathuwa nikan kawath marana kiyanawa newei.. Ehema kiyana eka waradi.. :)

    So Allah give orders Kill human's who dont believe in him?? How ethical, is this? How Kind is this Allah?? what a devine religion?? use your brain people!! do you think these are words of God or words of some fanatic tribal Killer?

    why allah ask his muslims to do the dirty work for him? why cant he/she/it do it it self?? ...SMITE THEIR NECKS..WOW VERY DEVINE WORDS INDEED...
    :rofl::rofl:
     

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    Dear Ex- Muslim Ahmed.. Read if u have time & really want answer 4ur question..
    Thanks



    1. "And slay them wherever ye catch them." (Al-Baqarah: 191)

    2. "But if they turn away, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks” (An-Nisa': 89)



    Shedding more light on this issue is critical to a better understanding of Islam.

    There are two primary sources of Islamic belief.



    1. The Qur’an, the revealed word of God.

    2. The Hadeeth, which are the sayings or actions of Prophet Muhammad.



    In addition, three factors are essential for understanding the verses in the Qur’an:



    Textual context of the verse within the Qur’an.
    The historical context.
    The manner in which the Prophet Muhammad implemented the verse.


    For example, here is the first verse noted above in the appropriate Qur’anic textual context:



    Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loves not transgressors. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, kill them. Such is the reward of those who reject faith. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression. The prohibited month, for the prohibited month, and so for all things prohibited, there is the law of equality. If then any one transgresses the prohibition against you, transgress ye likewise against him. But fear Allah, and know that Allah is with those who restrain themselves. (Al-Baqarah: 190-194)



    And the second verse frequently cited out of context by critics occurs in the following series of verses:



    They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): so take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (from what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks. Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If Allah had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (guarantees of) peace, then Allah hath opened no way for you (to war against them). Others you will find that wish to gain your confidence as well as that of their people: every time they are sent back to temptation, they succumb thereto; if they withdraw not from you nor give you (guarantees) of peace besides restraining their hands, seize them and slay them wherever ye get them; in their case We have provided you with a clear argument against them." (An-Nisa: 89-91)



    An understanding of the historical context of these verses is also critical. Muslims believe that these verses were revealed by God to Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, at the time when Muslims were attacked by the non-Muslims of Mecca on a regular basis. The Meccans wanted to kill the Muslims and stop the rise of Islam in Medinah. These verses do not grant permission for violence, but they are a warning against those who seek to instigate violence and oppression against the Muslims. Note that even in these warnings, restraint and caution are emphasized to the Muslims.



    The third factor to keep in mind is how each verse was implemented at the time of Prophet Muhammad. The Prophet implemented these verses in the following manner: The intention must be pure, meaning those with personal agendas were not allowed to fight. The war was declared by a legitimate authority (Prophet Muhammad). War was a last resort. There existed an openness among Muslims to respond to just peace initiatives--even during the battle. The Prophet spared non-combatants and refrained from destruction of homes, trees, or resources needed by Meccans to survive. In addition, the Prophet gave and ordered his followers to give humane treatment of the injured and prisoners of war.



    Finally, what does the Qur’an say about murder?



    "Take not life, which Allah hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus does He command you, that ye may learn wisdom." (Al-An`am: 151).



    Also, "Nor take life, which Allah has made sacred, except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, We have given his heir authority (to demand Qisas [retribution] or to forgive): but let him not exceed bounds in the matter of taking life; for he is helped (by the law)" (Al-Isra: 33).



    According to the Qur’an, killing any person without a just cause is as enormous a sin as killing the whole of humanity, and saving the life of one person is as good a deed as saving the whole of humanity.



    As can clearly be seen from the above examples, the Qur’an does not "promote" or glorify violence. Islam is a religion that preaches peaceful co-existence between communities, nations and tribes. Historically, Islam has shown tolerance to all religions and communities in its midst and around. Whatever evidence Islamophobes cite to legitimize their hatred of Islam can easily be shown to be deceptive and false when examined within the appropriate textual and historical context.



    Another example that has started circulating around is the verse:



    “ O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends [Awliyaa]; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.” [5:51]



    Textual context: Immediately preceding verses [41-50] speak about those who claim to be Jews yet there are not true believers in heart and action [41-42], who reject even the rulings of their own Torah [43], and who generally fail to judge according to God's directives in the Torah [44-46]. Likewise, it applies to those Christians who fail to judge according to the Gospel [47]. Verses 49-50 condemns those who attempted to beguile the Prophet from ruling according to what was revealed to him and prefer a judgment other than what God has revealed.



    The verse immediately after 5:51 connect this verse with those Muslims in whose heart there is disease and who seek alliance with such people only to protect their vested interest and out of rear of loss if Muslims become the "losers."



    A few verses later, the same injunction is repeated with the clarification that such people cannot be trusted as protectors because they took Islam for "a mockery or sport" [57-58]. The same basic term relating to "Awliyaa' " appears also in the context of those who fight against Muslims so as to undermine Islam or drive Muslims out of their homes. [60:9]



    Historical context: The whole section deals with specific events at the time of the prophet Muhammad [Peace be upon him] that uncovered the false claim to faith by people in question. Details are available in historical sources.



    Linguistic context: The original Qur'anic Arabic term "Awliyaa' "is often translated as "friends." The correct translation is "protectors" not only friends. The correct meaning then is "do not depend for your security matters on others [especially those mentioned above, who pay lip service to their own scriptures].



    Broader context: A common mistake in the interpretation of the Qur'an is to ignore other texts related to the same topic. The same Qur'an praises kind, sincere and responsive Christians [5:82-86]. The condemnation is for those "who reject faith and belie [God's] signs" [86].



    The same chapter allows, not only friendship with sincere "people of the book" but also some forms of interfaith marriage [5:5]. Obviously marital relationship is more intimate than mere "friendship" and is described in the Qur'an as that of "tranquility, love and mercy" [30:21]. The same Qur'an teaches also commands just and kind treatments of non-Muslims who dwell in peace with Muslims [60:8-9].



    It is clear that any allegation that the Qur'an teaches violence and religious hatred is totally unfounded and violate the textual, historical, linguistic and broader context of the Qur'anic teachings and amounts to serious distortions of its teachings.
     

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    sirajstc said:
    It is the duty and obligation of the Muslims to establish proof and validity of islam to the people in order for the truth to be disntinct from falsehood. Muslims must present the truth and proofs of Islam and then allow others the freedom of choice to accept or reject the proofs.

    Once that is done, whoever wishes to accept Islam may do so and whoever desires to continue in some other way may do so.

    No one is to be threatened or harmed in any way for choosing not to accept Islam.

    Everyone is offered the following three options when Islamic Law is in force:

    1. Accept that there is only One diety to worship and obey His commandments (i.e.; be a Muslim)


    2. Reject Islam but agree to live together in peace without waging war or subverting or contriving against authority.

    what about Jizzya TAX of Humilation???? the non-muslims must pay if they want to live???:no::no:




    The Quran was the first document of its kind in history to offer limitations and restrictions in open combat. Muslims were forbidden to engage in any combat for personal gain, revenge, or tribal disputes common at the time of revelation.
    Muslims were ordered not to engage in combat of any kind except within the very strict limitations offered by Almighty Allah.


    Enemies who were captured were not to be tortured or subjected to humiliation for the sake of entertainment, personal vindication or revenge. Captured prisoners were offered the same food and drink as the Muslims, given the opportunity to learn about Islam and witness the humble devotion of Muslims toward Almighty God.


    In some cases prisoners were offered freedom in exchange for teaching and educating the Muslims. Others accepted Islam and were totally accepted as Muslims citizens within the community of the believers.



    Among the many decisive pieces of evidence in Islam to prove that There is no compulsion in Islam are the following:
    Allah says in His Quran: Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth has been made clear from error. Whoever rejects false worship and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that never breaks. And Allah hears and knows all things. [Surah al-Baqarah: 256]




    Allah The Almighty has also said: The Messenger's duty is but to proclaim the Message. [Surah Al-Maidah: 99]

    Some people might be wondering that if Islam indeed advocates such an approach, then what is all this we hear about jihad? How can we explain the warfare that the Prophet (peace be upon him) and his Companions waged against the pagans?

    The answer to this is that jihad in Islamic Law can be waged for a number of reasons, but compelling people to accept Islam is simply not one of them.


    Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loves not transgressors. And slay them wherever you catch them and drive them out from whence they drove you out, for oppression is worse than killing. But fight them not at the sacred mosque unless they fight you there. But if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression and there prevail justice and faith in Allah. But if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression.
    [Surah al-Baqarah: 190-193]



    The Prophet (peace be upon him) said in his letter to the Roman governor Heracles: I invite you to accept Islam. If you accept Islam, you will find safety. If you accept Islam, Allah will give you a double reward. However, if you turn away, upon you will be the sin of your subjects. [Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim]


    Even when the Muslims are compelled to fight and then subdue the land, their duty thereafter is to establish Allah's law in the land and uphold justice for all people, Muslim and non-Muslim. It is not their right to coerce their subjects to accept Islam against their will. Non-Muslims under Muslim rule must be allowed to remain on their own faith and must be allowed to practice the rights of their faith, though they will be expected to respect the laws of the land.



    Is islam is a spiritual guidance or a mannuel of war?? I have marked verses in red and green so that you people can go back and think. Can this be the word of GOD or some war mogering, caravan looting mass murdering psycho??
    go back and think for a moment. Do we need god for this? even POLPOT, STALIN and IDI AMIN did this ..

    what about Jizzya TAX of Humilation???? the non-muslims must pay if they want to live???:no::no:


    THIS IS LIE that trying to justify killing Non-muslims in war. This is not just not only for war. remember that you non-muslims. IT IS Very easy to start a war and then You can justify everything in this book...ha ha ..
     

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    ex-muslim Ahmed said:


    Is islam is a spiritual guidance or a mannuel of war?? I have marked verses in red and green so that you people can go back and think. Can this be the word of GOD or some war mogering, caravan looting mass murdering psycho??
    go back and think for a moment. Do we need god for this? even POLPOT, STALIN and IDI AMIN did this ..

    what about Jizzya TAX of Humilation???? the non-muslims must pay if they want to live???:no::no:


    THIS IS LIE that trying to justify killing Non-muslims in war. This is not just not only for war. remember that you non-muslims. IT IS Very easy to start a war and then You can justify everything in this book...ha ha ..


    The Puppy is Back..:)
     

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    And slay them wherever you catch them and drive them out from whence they drove you out, for oppression is worse than killing.But fight them not at the sacred mosque unless they fight you there. But if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression and there prevail justice and faith in Allah.

    see , people, read this with open mind and you will see the contradictin in this quranic verse. it try hard to hide the fact that slaying non-muslim is all about faith-islam. But it emerges in every sentence. ha aha! Is islam is a word of GOD? if it advocates violence? Think people! think again. Do we need a war manuel from a incompetant GOD??
     

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    casper_fms said:
    Kochchara proofs, explanations, clarifications... dunnath wedak nehe kollo.. me yaka kohetma owa piliganne nehe.... for sure... he will say upside down from ur answers too.... :baffled: :angry: :growl:


    yes wat to do bro duka tama:baffled: :baffled:
     

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    ex-muslim Ahmed said:

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    And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.


    8.12

    When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying): I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.








    47.4
    Now when ye meet in battle those who disbelieve, then it is smiting of the necks until, when ye have routed them, then making fast of bonds; and afterward either grace or ransom till the war lay down its burdens. That (is the ordinance). And if Allah willed He could have punished them (without you) but (thus it is ordained) that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He rendereth not their actions vain.


    9.123
    O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).


    Can Quran be the word of God if it contain and advocate violence of this nature?? whats the divinity in asking for killing of non-believers? where is the compassion and kindness?? Isnt this cheap jealosy ? where is the religious tolerance of this god -allah???:no:







    He He...you have craftily distorted the message by NOT quoting the verse 190 of chapter 2 in your own source...
     

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    Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors. (Chapter 2 Verse 190)

    And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. (2:191)

    But if they cease, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (2:192)
     

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    ex-muslim Ahmed said:

    http://www.ishwar.com/islam/holy_quran_(pickthall)/

    2.191
    And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.


    8.12

    When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying): I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.






    47.4
    Now when ye meet in battle those who disbelieve, then it is smiting of the necks until, when ye have routed them, then making fast of bonds; and afterward either grace or ransom till the war lay down its burdens. That (is the ordinance). And if Allah willed He could have punished them (without you) but (thus it is ordained) that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He rendereth not their actions vain.


    9.123
    O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).


    Can Quran be the word of God if it contain and advocate violence of this nature?? whats the divinity in asking for killing of non-believers? where is the compassion and kindness?? Isnt this cheap jealosy ? where is the religious tolerance of this god -allah???:no:






    the idiot doesnt get it again.....

    here its mentioned in past tense...the god refers to the the battle of badr where he sent angels to fight along side the muslims.....
     

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    casper_fms said:
    Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors. (Chapter 2 Verse 190)

    And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. (2:191)

    But if they cease, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (2:192)
    :yes: :yes: :yes:
     

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    ex-muslim Ahmed said:

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    And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. 
    
     
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    Now when ye meet in battle those who disbelieve, then it is smiting of the necks until, when ye have routed them, then making fast of bonds; and afterward either grace or ransom till the war lay down its burdens. That (is the ordinance). And if Allah willed He could have punished them (without you) but (thus it is ordained) that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He rendereth not their actions vain. 
    
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    Can Quran be the word of God if it contain and advocate violence of this nature?? whats the divinity in asking for killing of non-believers? where is the compassion and kindness?? Isnt this cheap jealosy ? where is the religious tolerance of this god -allah???:no:
     
     
     
    
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    47:4] If you encounter (in war) those who disbelieve, you may strike the necks. If you take them as captives you may set them free or ransom them, until the war ends. Had GOD willed, He could have granted you victory, without war. But He thus tests you by one another. As for those who get killed in the cause of GOD, He will never put their sacrifice to waste.
    [47:5] He will guide them, and bless them with contentment.


    You cannot make love in a war can you???
     

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    ex-muslim Ahmed said:

    http://www.ishwar.com/islam/holy_quran_(pickthall)/

    2.191
    And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.


    8.12

    When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying): I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.






    47.4
    Now when ye meet in battle those who disbelieve, then it is smiting of the necks until, when ye have routed them, then making fast of bonds; and afterward either grace or ransom till the war lay down its burdens. That (is the ordinance). And if Allah willed He could have punished them (without you) but (thus it is ordained) that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He rendereth not their actions vain.


    9.123
    O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).

    Can Quran be the word of God if it contain and advocate violence of this nature?? whats the divinity in asking for killing of non-believers? where is the compassion and kindness?? Isnt this cheap jealosy ? where is the religious tolerance of this god -allah???:no:





    finally the verse 9.123 here is the translation from authentic source

    9:123] O you who believe, you shall fight the disbelievers who attack you - let them find you stern - and know that GOD is with the righteous.

    clearly tells muslims not to aggress.....open your eyes.....
     

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    Yeah yeah Black pig, add the word like WAR and wHEN ATTACKED..
    HEY PIGGIE , do you think for moment why you have to lie to defend quran?? seriously piggie, think about that. why you muslims have hard time defending islam and quran! why you have to lie, twist facts, add openions, bend rules ..why? because Islam has a problem... accept that!
    !
     

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    ex-muslim Ahmed said:
    Yeah yeah Black pig, add the word like WAR and wHEN ATTACKED..
    HEY PIGGIE , do you think for moment why you have to lie to defend quran?? seriously piggie, think about that. why you muslims have hard time defending islam and quran! why you have to lie, twist facts, add openions, bend rules ..why? because Islam has a problem... accept that!
    !


    why should i accept lies dog...did that donkey buddha tell you to lie....go hump him...happy humping in doggy style....:lol: