Do You Believe Evolution is True ? (Answer some Questions))

hafizsaad

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Okay. Let me put this question, the simplest of all and asked a thousand and one times, Who created the creator?

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Our Allah Answer your this Question in his Last Book Quran:

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In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful

Say (O Muhammad (SAW)): "He is Allâh, (the) One. (1)

"Allâh-us-Samad (السيد الذي يصمد إليه في الحاجات) [Allâh the Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures need, (He neither eats nor drinks)]. (2)

"He begets not, nor was He begotten;[] (3)

"And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him." (4)


So, your answer to the simple question is - 'our book says so'! Please give your own answer, not what some book says. Non-Muslims all over the world do not believe in that book, nor do I believe.



my answer is also same what our books says...


Allâh! none has the right to be worshipped but He, the Ever Living,
the One Who sustains and protects all that exists.
Neither slumber, nor sleep overtake Him.
To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on earth.
Who is he that can intercede with Him except with His Permission?
He knows what happens to them (His creatures) in this world, and what will happen to them in the Hereafter .
And they will never compass anything of His Knowledge except that which He wills.
His Kursî[] extends over the heavens and the earth, and He feels no fatigue in guarding and preserving them.
And He is the Most High, the Most Great. [This Verse 2:255 is called Ayat-ul-Kursî.]

those who are rational and serious in their search for reality take benefit of fact's from wherever they met.......the persons who are only irrational criticizer..., we never mind them either they believe or not........ our purpose is only to tell the reality which is more clear....That's God World says.



There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower. (256, 03)
 
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maxxa reply :lol::lol::lol: ryt in his arse :rofl::rofl::rofl:

i love these threads, because these muslims help me to understand how stupid their religion is, harder they try to prove its best, easier to identify their dumbness:lol::lol::lol::rofl::rofl::rofl:

OHH BROTHER HE HAS ALSO POSTED THIS ANSWER


Mononoke said:
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Let us remember that there are multiple theories of Intelligent Design. I and many others around the world are of the strong belief that the universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster. It was He who created all that we see and all that we feel. We feel strongly that the overwhelming scientific evidence pointing towards evolutionary processes is nothing but a coincidence, put in place by Him.

It is for this reason that I’m writing you today, to formally request that this alternative theory be taught in your schools, along with the other two theories. In fact, I will go so far as to say, if you do not agree to do this, we will be forced to proceed with legal action. I’m sure you see where we are coming from. If the Intelligent Design theory is not based on faith, but instead another scientific theory, as is claimed, then you must also allow our theory to be taught, as it is also based on science, not on faith

Some find that hard to believe, so it may be helpful to tell you a little more about our beliefs. We have evidence that a Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe. None of us, of course, were around to see it, but we have written accounts of it. We have several lengthy volumes explaining all details of His power.
 

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  • If you don't agree with this post please write ur refutation !!! supporting ur own arguments "this is how it happens this is da science behind this blah blah blah !!! "
    Only my suggestion ok !!!
    The first poster claims indirectly that DNA and RNA replicates with such accuracy because they are controlled. Go back and see the post.

    Scientifically speaking, mutations (point mutations) occur due to incorporating a wrong nucleotide, deleting a nucleotide or by insertion of ad additional one. All happens due to probability.
     
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    OHHH, why are you so angry brother, there may be chance you are misleaded....



    criticism after seeing other fake & misleading (different background than present here & may be possible as muslim never claim that they can not commit sin) vedio is easy but search for reality is difficult.....

    islam is not only the religion of some fundametalist but is the world second big and best religion of the world....and its ratio of increase is more than any of other religion of world...
    you will wonder to see this increase is from your civilized society (america, europe etc)....what you say about them, thet all are mad people or ......

    brother you are misleaded very cruely.....


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    im not misleaded, muslims' children r muslims, cz ur religion doesnt allow them 2 choose. apostacy>>> death panalty!! so the numbers increase. i dont think its a better way 2 keep da followers, yet its effective. n da answer 4 ur question >>> yep some like u r mad, some othrs cant change due to death penalty
     
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    For the Muslim there is no need for separation between religion and science. It is understood from the Quran, revealed over 1,400 years ago, that there is both; "Creation" and "Evolution." And in both instances, it is only Allah who is "Able to do all things." In fact, it was the Muslim scientists, more than 1,000 years ago, who set the stage for the advancement of learning, technology and disciplines in science that we know today.

    Allah has explained how He created everything in the universe and brought all life out of water. He created humans from earth (not monkeys) and there is no need to attempt fabrications of "links" to the animal world in Islam.

    The Christian Bible says that Adam & Eve were both created here on Earth, less than 10,000 years ago. The Quran says that Adam & Eve were created in Heaven, and NOT on Earth. When they disobeyed God, He expelled them from Heaven, down to Earth.

    Muslims believe that souls are assigned to humans 40 days after the human inception. The Quran says that angels retrieve human souls on two occasions. One occasion is when humans die. The other occasion is every time humans fall asleep. When humans wakeup, the angels release those souls back to them:

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    It is Allah that takes the souls (of men) at death; and those that did not die, during their sleep: those on whom He has passed the decree of death, He keeps back, but the rest He sends (to their bodies) for a term appointed. Verily in this are Signs for those who reflect.


    [Noble Quran 39:42]



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    And Allah has Created every animal from water; of them are some creeping on their bellies; some walk on two legs; and some on four. Allah Creates what He wills: for sure Allah has Power over all things.


    [Noble Quran 24:45]



    The Quran has set a precedent 14 centuries before modern science, explaining in simple and direct terms about his "creation" of animals and their various functions and then assures us it is He who has the Power over everything. This statement includes the fact Allah can if He Wills, reshape and alter his creation as He Chooses. There is clear evidence within many species of alteration and changes within the species. However, there is no concrete evidence to support a cross over in development from one type to another, such as reptiles turning into birds or alligators turning into cows. The statements made in Quran are quite clear when Allah tells us of having brought forth other life forms and then destroying or replacing them with others. This again, does not imply evolution in the sense of one type becoming or changing into another.

    Allah tells us He is Al-Bari, (The Shaper or Evolver) but once again, this does not mean He has a need to bring about each individual life form all from one kind. Actually, while reading the Quran you learn He has brought many types and shapes and sizes as He Wills. Changes within species occur even as quickly as one or two seasons, not even taking a whole year, much less millions as was supposed by Darwin.

    Speaking of Charles Darwin, he was only an armature naturalist and had only observed the finches (birds) on the Galapagos Islands for the first time in the mid 1850s. He noticed that on each island the birds had different shaped beaks according to the type of food available on their particular island. For this reason, he assumed, the birds had progressed over millions of years and only the hardiest of the species had survived the climate and vegetation changes. However, this is totally inaccurate and was dismissed as a mere humor in a TV series on the educational channel in October of 1998. According to the scientists’ discoveries in that very same year, the effects of the weather phenomenon known as El Nino, the climate on these same exact islands had drastically changed in a single year within a number of months. And to their surprise, the eggs of the finches on each island hatched open producing birds with beaks already altered to accommodate the changes of their environment.

    The commentator even said this shoots Darwin's theory completely down and he laughed.

    There is no DNA research pointing to a connection between apes and humans as was supposed by the scientists and those who had financed them over the years. In fact, the barnyard pig is closer to humans in many aspects, than a monkey or a gorilla. Consider the fact, doctors use the skin from pigs to replace needed tissue on burn victims and the famous movie actor, John Wayne had a pig's heart valve installed in his own heart in a 1977 operation to save his life. It worked, too - until his smoking caused him to die of cancer.

    The rational approach to the whole subject is rather simple. Just as He is able to Create the universe and bring forth life, it is simple also for Him to produce as many different types of forms of life as He Wills. No problem for Him, after all - He is the Creator and He is the Shaper. And most important, He can change anything as He Wills - even today :D

    i aint gv a shit!! i dnt beliv in so called lie book, N go 2 school n learn the basic science, humans , pigs , apes are mammals(decent from a common ancestor). They have identical DNA arrangement UP 2 SOME EXTENT!!! thatz y its posible 2 use pig parts & use pig parts. (also other reasons such as easy 2 cultivate tissues,low costs n bla bla ) :P n do u knw that rats r being used 2 do experiments about hormones n their actions?? :P so the rats also should b more close 2 humans than apes :P Dont b ths much foolish. i wont b surprised if these illiterates bring a new theory humans descends from camels, n prove it showing their LIE BOOK
     

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    The first poster claims indirectly that DNA and RNA replicates with such accuracy because they are controlled. Go back and see the post.

    Scientifically speaking, mutations (point mutations) occur due to incorporating a wrong nucleotide, deleting a nucleotide or by insertion of ad additional one. All happens due to probability.

    Just to add to this:
    Mutations need not be probabilistic there are tons of chemical agents that cause mutations, even simple oxidization can cause mutations.
     

    hafizsaad

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    im not misleaded, muslims' children r muslims, cz ur religion doesnt allow them 2 choose. apostacy>>> death panalty!! so the numbers increase. i dont think its a better way 2 keep da followers, yet its effective.

    don't take tention brother , remain cool.

    ISLAM is the the best way of life, it is the the religion which fullfil the natural need of all human being therefore it has complete attaraction for any person from whereever he locate... you can imagine it but rational search is required...

    i have posted threat on many famous people converting to islam vedio' you can see by clicking following links:

    FAMOUS ATHEIST PEOPLE CONVERT TO ISLAM (SEE VEDIO'S AND LISTEN THEIR COMMENTS)

    THE FAMOUS PEOPLE OF AMERICA AND EUROPE CONVERT TO ISLAM (ALL VEDIO'S))




    n da answer 4 ur question >>> yep some like u r mad, some othrs cant change due to death penalty

    what a answer...far from reality...i have given link of some famous people converting to islam listen their comments...what they say about islam...
    May be it is your idea, a man who convert to islam ,,he is mad, ....If you see the vedio , there are many people who are also confuse like you about islam and have misconception about islam, but they are removed because of their rational search...same is required from you...

    you are my brother...
     
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    don't take tention brother , remain cool.

    ISLAM is the the best way of life, it is the the religion which fullfil the natural need of all human being therefore it has complete attaraction for any person from whereever he locate... you can imagine it but rational search is required...

    i have posted threat on many famous people converting to islam vedio' you can see by clicking following links:

    FAMOUS ATHEIST PEOPLE CONVERT TO ISLAM (SEE VEDIO'S AND LISTEN THEIR COMMENTS)

    THE FAMOUS PEOPLE OF AMERICA AND EUROPE CONVERT TO ISLAM (ALL VEDIO'S))






    what a answer...far from reality...i have given link of some famous people converting to islam listen their comments...what they say about islam...
    May be it is your idea, a man who convert to islam ,,he is mad, ....If you see the vedio , there are many people who are also confuse like you about islam and have misconception about islam, but they are removed because of their rational search...same is required from you...

    you are my brother...

    :lol::lol::lol: faamous= intelligent ??? whr da hell dat definition came from??? :P ah anothr stupid conclusion i guess :rofl::rofl::rofl: n keep this in your mind, they converted because there WAS NO DEATH PENALTY 4 converting 2 anothr religion in their former religion :lol::lol::lol: remove da death penalty 4 apostacy from your religion, lez c hw many wl remain :lol::lol::lol:

    n 4 da record >>>
    ISLAM is the the best way of life, it is the the religion which fullfil the natural need of all human being therefore it has complete attaraction for any person from whereever he locate... you can imagine it but rational search is required.. <<<< this is totally bullshit :lol::lol::lol: a religion who descriminate women, kill innocents 4 never exsisting god z a crap, :P

    ok 1 challenge, tell ur god 2 appear n preach 4 da wrld !! :lol::lol: if he z brave enough 2 appear once, i wl also come 2 ur religion :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
     

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    :lol::lol::lol: faamous= intelligent ??? whr da hell dat definition came from??? .......
    ok 1 challenge, tell ur god 2 appear n preach 4 da wrld !! :lol::lol: if he z brave enough 2 appear once, i wl also come 2 ur religion :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

    Irrational = Idealistic = See the vedio then comment....what you have the defination for famous, intelligent

    islam is in reality the religion of nature...your criticism has been answered many time ...that are complete..no more detail required ...read them again...

    the same challenge has been made by the people in time of moses as quran and turah mentioned ..Human being is one of the small creation of God can not have power to see Allah..Allah has manage this in the heaven where the desire of the believer will fulfill....

    One day A man Asked Hazrat Ali R.a (The Fourth Kaliph of Islam) that he want to see Allah .
    Hazrat Ali told him to see at sun...
    He replied i can't see , mY eye can't have power to see 3 second.
    Hazrat Ali Replied: You can't have power to see sun, the creation : how you can see the creator.......!
     
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    oh shit I thought WE could gain some interesting things by reading this thread but sham on you finally end up in ethnic story
    I know something for sure there are some people hear have disparate to tell their religion is the truth!
    even we diden't Question it. so I think that's how they fight all over the world by the shake of religion. :lol:
     

    sirajstc

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    Why on earth did Allah create that disease called AIDS, not to mention poverty, natural disasters like floods, tsunamis, etc.?


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    From Imam Muzammil Siddiqi, former president of Islamic Society of North America --
    Indeed Allah is All-Powerful (Al-`Aziz) and He is able to do all things (Allahu 'ala kuli shayin qadir).
    The Quran has mentioned this hundreds of times. It is also mentioned in the Quran that Allah is the Creator and He is the Best Creator. Glory be to Allah, the best Creator.
    (Al-Mu'minoon: 14)
    But then the question comes why do pain and sufferings exist in the world. We find sickness, old age and death. We see things that are ugly, people who are insane and foolish. There are storms, earthquakes, floods, draught and famine. We also see people commit sins, show disloyalty, unfaithfulness, greed and insincerity. We see people commit rapes, murders; they fight and make wars. We know all these and many more problems. There are evils caused by human beings and there are natural disasters.

    There are suffering for individuals and there are those that involve a large number of people.
    But we also know that this is not the whole story. Besides all these negative things, we also see beauty, health, prosperity, life, birth, wisdom, intelligence, growth and progress. We observe goodness among people, faith, sincerity, charity, love and the spirit of sacrifice. We notice a lot of virtue and piety. It is wrong to see one side of the coin and not to see the other side.
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    Let us ask this question to understand Allah's ways in His creation. The Quran tells us that good, evil and whatever happens in this world happens by Allah's Will (mashiat Allah). Only Allah knows fully His Will. We finite beings cannot grasp fully His infinite Will and Wisdom. He runs His universe the way He deems fit. The Quran tells us that Allah is Wise and everything that Allah does is right, just, good and fair. We must submit and surrender to His Will. The Quran has not given us all the details about Allah's Will, but it has enlightened us with the guidance that is useful and sufficient for us. There are several points that we should keep in our mind to understand this issue:
    1. First of all, Allah did not make this world a permanent world. This is a temporary world and everything here has a time limit. When its times comes it will die, come to an end and finish. Neither the good things of this world are forever, nor the bad things eternal. We are here for a short time and we are being tested. Those who will pass this test will find an eternal world that is perfect and permanent. Those who will fail this test shall see the evil consequences of their sins and corruption.
    The prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, told us, "This worldly place is a prison to the true believers, and a paradise to the disbelievers."
    2. Allah has placed a physical law and a moral law in this universe. Allah allows suffering to occur when one or more of these laws are broken. The physical law is based on cause and effect. Sickness comes if one does not take care of ones health or is exposed to infections. A car accident occurs when one is not alert, or drives in a careless manner, or if the cars are not checked, roads and freeways are not made and kept in right shape, or the traffic laws are not right or not properly enforced. Study of causes and effects is very important to facilitate safeguards. Even here we should keep in mind that Allah often saves us and He does not let us suffer from every negligence. How many times it happens that we are not careful and still we reach safely to our destinations. The way people drive in some cities, it is a miracle that more accidents do not happen and more people do not suffer. Allah says:

    (Allah) Most Gracious! It is He Who has taught the Quran. He has created man: He has taught him speech (and Intelligence). The sun and the moon follow courses (exactly) computed; and the herbs and the trees both (alike) bow in adoration. And the Firmament has He raised high, and He has set up the Balance (of Justice), in order that you may not transgress (due) balance. So establish weight with justice and fall not short in the balance. It is He Who has spread out the earth for (His) creatures."
    (Ar-Rahman:1-10)

    The way we exceed the measures set by Allah and violate His laws of "cause and effect" is incredible. It is really the mercy of Allah that we are saved. Strictly speaking, the question should not be why does Allah allow suffering, but how much Allah protects us and saves us all the time in spite of our violations and negligence. The Quran says:
    "If Allah were to punish people according to what they deserve, He would not leave on the back of the (earth) a single living creature: but He gives them respite for a stated Term: when their Term expires, verily Allah has in His sight all His servants."
    (Fatir:45)

    But sometimes Allah does punish people because of their violations of His laws whether they are physical or moral. The Quran tells us that many nations and communities were destroyed because of their sinful lifestyles:
    If they treat thy (mission) as false, so did the Peoples before them (with their Prophets), the People of Noah, and Ad and Thamud. Those of Abraham and Lut; and the Companions of the Madyan people; and Moses was rejected (in the same way). But I granted respite to the Unbelievers, and (only) after that did I punish them: but how (terrible) was My rejection (of them)! How many populations have We destroyed, which were given to wrong-doing! They tumbled down on their roofs. And how many wells are lying idle and neglected, and castles lofty and well-built?" (Al-Hajj: 42-45)
    3. Suffering can also be a test and trial for some people. Allah allows some people to suffer in order to test their patience and steadfastness. Even Allah's Prophets and Messengers were made to suffer. Prophet Ayyub is mentioned in the Quran as a Prophet who was very patient. Good people sometimes suffer but their sufferings heal others and bring goodness to their communities. People learn lessons from their good examples. Martyrs die for their faith, soldiers give their lives for their nations and this brings liberation and freedom for their people.
    4. Allah sometimes allows some people to suffer to test others, how they react to them. When you see a person who is sick, poor and needy, then you are tested by Allah. Allah is there with that suffering person to test your charity and your faith. In a very moving Hadith Qudsi (Divine Hadith) the Prophet, peace be upon him, said:

    Allah will say on the Day of Judgment,
    "O son of Adam, I was sick and you did not visit Me." He will say, "O my Lord, how could I visit You, when you are the Lord of the Worlds?" Allah will say, "Did you not know that My servant so-and-so was sick and you did not visit him? Did you not know that if you had visited him, you would have found Me there?" Allah will say, "O son of Adam, I asked you for food and you fed Me not." He shall say, "O my Lord, how could I feed you and you are the Lord of the Worlds?" And Allah will say, "Did you not know that My servant so-and-so was in need of food and you did not feed him? Did you not know that if you had fed him, you would have found that to have been for Me?" "O son of Adam, I asked you for water and you did not give Me to drink." The man shall say, "O my Lord, how could I give You water, when You are the Lord of the Worlds?" Allah will say, "My servant so-and-so asked you for water and you did not give him to drink water. Did you not know that if you had given him to drink, you would have found that to have been for Me?"
    (Muslim, Hadith no. 4661)

    Prophet `Isa (Jesus), peace be upon him, is also reported to have said something similar in the Injeel (Gospel or New Testament of The Bible).
    (See Matthew 25: 35-45)

    So, in summary we can say suffering occurs to teach us that we must adhere to Allah's natural and moral laws. It is sometimes to punish those who violate Allah's natural or moral laws. It is to test our faith in Allah and to test our commitment to human values and charity. Whenever we encounter suffering we should ask ourselves, Have we broken any law of Allah? Let us study the cause of the problem and use the corrective methods. Could it be a punishment? Let us repent and ask forgiveness and reform our ways. Could it be a test and trial for us? Let us work hard to pass this test. Believers face the sufferings with prayers, repentance and good deeds. The non-believers face the sufferings with doubts and confusions. They blame Allah or make arguments against Him. May Allah keep us on the right path, Amen!
    Allah Almighty knows best. - [credit to: Dr. Muzamil Saddique and www.IslamOnline.net]
    Dr. Muzammil Siddiqi is the director of the Islamic Society of Orange County and (former) President of the Islamic Society of North America.

    More? www.GodAllah.com
     

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    I respectfully ask everyone to stop posting material or opinions that have nothing to do with evolution. This thread is about evolution let us keep it that way.