25% of the world is now Muslim-BBC

[RitigalaJayasena]

Ithin apita pann ya

 

[Mononoke]

Why dont you back your comments with credible evidence from an acceptable source ......(Like Me) in other words prove more than 20,000 americans convert to Buddhism annually.......

My point wasn't about Buddhism vs Islam, but that your numbers are insignificant.

http://religions.pewforum.org/pdf/report-religious-landscape-study-full.pdf

This was survey done in 2008 by an independent Washington based think tank. In page 10 it says that .6% of Americans are Muslim, while .7% are buddhist. Those are insignificant percentages compared to the 74% Christian anyway.

If you look at page 24 it shows that a large number of buddhist are actually adult converts(almost 50%) while the islamic conversion numbers are nothing close to that. Page 26 shows that while islam looses as many practitioners as it converts, the Buddhist numbers are solidly rising.
Clearly there are more Buddhist converts. Also roughly a 3rd of the Muslims is Suuni while a 3rd is Shia. So, out of your 20000 a good 7000 are at war with another 7000.

Hopefully that satisfies your citation fetish.

The Muslims Conquored the earth once from Turkey to India they controlled 1/3 of the earth......

Like I told you before, back then running down a mountain in religous furver meant something. These days such tactics will get you mowed down. And why did the Islamic empire loose ground in the 18th and 19th century: technology.

Germany was a superpower 50 years ago but they are not any more....

What is your point here? Germany became a superpower because of rapid technological innovation. They couldn't sustain it because of American industrial power and utter stupidity. My point about the driving factors in world domination still stand.

no one can say wot will happen tomorrow.....

They why say something like this:

But the world order is changing..th demographics are changing....its only a matter of time....

Or make this thread for that matter.

P.S: Why do you have to use offensively large fonts? I'll tell you right away that it doesn't plug the gaps in your logic.

 

[somadasa]

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[DJ.ROCKSTAR]

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[sirajstc]

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[Idi Amin]

My point wasn't about Buddhism vs Islam, but that your numbers are insignificant.

http://religions.pewforum.org/pdf/report-religious-landscape-study-full.pdf

This was survey done in 2008 by an independent Washington based think tank. In page 10 it says that .6% of Americans are Muslim, while .7% are buddhist. Those are insignificant percentages compared to the 74% Christian anyway.

If you look at page 24 it shows that a large number of buddhist are actually adult converts(almost 50%) while the islamic conversion numbers are nothing close to that. Page 26 shows that while islam looses as many practitioners as it converts, the Buddhist numbers are solidly rising.
Clearly there are more Buddhist converts. Also roughly a 3rd of the Muslims is Suuni while a 3rd is Shia. So, out of your 20000 a good 7000 are at war with another 7000.

Hopefully that satisfies your citation fetish.

I asked for credible evidence(Eg BBC/NBC) and you are giving me a bias view point of a certain lobby...Well after all the truth is while 2500 years of Buddhism has produced close to 350 million followers while 1500 year of Islam has produced 1.5 Billion followers.




Like I told you before, back then running down a mountain in religous furver meant something. These days such tactics will get you mowed down. And why did the Islamic empire loose ground in the 18th and 19th century: technology.


When you talk about technology and modern science I think you will agree that Muslims has contributed more towards it than the Buddhists..(Eg Al Gebra/Algorythms /Modern Banking System....the list goes on)


What is your point here? Germany became a superpower because of rapid technological innovation. They couldn't sustain it because of American industrial power and utter stupidity. My point about the driving factors in world domination still stand.

My point is no one except god can predict the future....Why the super power economy of the americans are crashing down like a pack of cards...why are they begging from the muslims to bail them out.....




P.S: Why do you have to use offensively large fonts? I'll tell you right away that it doesn't plug the gaps in your logic.

its my way.....Am afraid am not going to change it.....

 

[njsa]

islam population not growing because of they have more kids. u know how many muslims being killed,getting killed everyday.but still its 25%.when they kill 1 muslim 1000 coming to Islam.it is the truth.
http://islamnewsroom.com/news-mainmenu-28/1028-mumbai-terror-survivor-embraces-islam-why

 

[njsa]

islam population not growing because of they have more kids. u know how many muslims being killed,getting killed everyday.but still its 25%.when they kill 1 muslim 1000 coming to Islam.it is the truth.
http://islamnewsroom.com/news-mainmenu-28/1028-mumbai-terror-survivor-embraces-islam-why
http://islamnewsroom.com/news-mainmenu-28/16-christian-minister-enters-islam

 

[Mononoke]

Ane moda pako, onna kindi wennai yanne!

I asked for credible evidence(Eg BBC/NBC) and you are giving me a bias view point of a certain lobby...Well after all the truth is while 2500 years of Buddhism has produced close to 350 million followers while 1500 year of Islam has produced 1.5 Billion followers.

1)You are a moron for not reading your own article

The report, by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, took three years to compile, with census data from 232 countries and territories.

I was directly referring to the original source which the BBC used.

More importantly BBC and NBC rarely do census. they most often rely on external data which come from sources like Pew or other such think tanks.

When you talk about technology and modern science I think you will agree that Muslims has contributed more towards it than the Buddhists..(Eg Al Gebra/Algorythms /Modern Banking System....the list goes on)

2)I explicitly said that this is not about Buddhism vs Islam, rather it is about the statistical insignificance of your claim. Talk to the point, don't bring in pedantic bullshit.

3)While I don't deny the exceptional work done by early Islamic scholars, no such work is done now. Which is my point about technology. If you doubt me just check the number of patents issued by Islamic countries when compared to other developed countries.

My point is no one except god can predict the future....Why the super power economy of the americans are crashing down like a pack of cards...why are they begging from the muslims to bail them out.....

4)If you think the American economy is crashing like a pack of card you are mistaken, it's well on the way to recovery. And please tell me where you you read about a Muslim bail out of America. Especially since the total GDP of Saudi Arabia is a measly 600 Billion. And if god is the only one who can predict the future, although Heisenberg would disagree, why did you talk about 'changing demographics' and 'world order'. Next time try not to contradict youself.

its my way.....Am afraid am not going to change it.....

Mata theruna uba nombara eke modayek kiyala.

To tell you the truth, the 'barking like a rabid dog' strategy suits you better. That way you can mask you stupidity and avoid utter ignominy.

 

[Idi Amin]

Ane moda pako, onna kindi wennai yanne!

Why are you using offensive language.....I think my font size is less offensive than ur language......


I was directly referring to the original source which the BBC used.

More importantly BBC and NBC rarely do census. they most often rely on external data which come from sources like Pew or such think tanks.

this point is accepted....

2)I think I explicitly said that this is not about Buddhism vs Islam, rather it is about the statistical insignificance of you claim. Talk to the point, don't bring in pedantic bullshit.

Do you see anything wrong in having high birth rates?..As a matter of fact I dont see any thing wrong...


3)While I don't deny the exceptional work done by early Islamic scientists, no such work is done now. Which is my point about technology. If you doubt me just check the number of patents issued by Islamic countries when compared to other developed countries.

agreed....


4)If you think the American economy is crashing like a pack of card you are mistaken, it's well on the way to recovery. And please tell me where you you read about a Muslim bail out of America. Especially since the total GDP of Saudi Arabia is a measly 600 Billion. And if god is the only one who can predict the future, although Heisenberg would disagree, why did you talk about 'changing demographics' and 'world order'. Next time try not to contradict youself.


Thats the fact US is standing on its feet because china and the middle east...here is my source

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article6514.html


Mata theruna uba nombara eke modayek kiyala.

What are the criterias you use to Judge Modayas?

 

[Mononoke]

Thats the fact US is standing on its feet because china and the middle east...here is my source

Trade deficits are not what you think they are. China, and to a lesser degree Saudi Arabia, invest in America not because of any begging or pleading. They can't dump US debt without committing suicide. It is mutually necessary. If you want to learn more about this read up on 'Monetarism'.

 

[Mononoke]

Do you see anything wrong in having high birth rates?..As a matter of fact I dont see any thing wrong...

I don't see anything wrong with high birthrates, other than them not being sustainable and ultimately detrimental. My point was that merely numbers don't mean anything today, unless there is investment in either technology or industry.

 

[Idi Amin]

Trade deficits are not what you think they are. China, and to a lesser degree Saudi Arabia, invest in America not because of any begging or pleading. They can't dump US debt without committing suicide. It is mutually necessary. If you want to learn more about this read up on 'Monetarism'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_foreign_exchange_reserves

you can see where the super power America stands in terms of Forex reserves most of these reserves are in USD...particularly Saudi Arabia....If they sell those dollars to the market in exchange of Euros or other currency the American economy and the dollar will just be next to nothing.....I hope you are getting my point...

 

[Mononoke]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_foreign_exchange_reserves

you can see where the super power America stands in terms of Forex reserves most of these reserves are in USD...particularly Saudi Arabia....If they sell those dollars to the market in exchange of Euros or other currency the American economy and the dollar will just be next to nothing.....I hope you are getting my point...

Who is going to buy all those dollars? After all it's only a piece of paper, there isn't any gold backing it up, there is no real value in it. For china to sell the Us dollars there has to be buyer, who is stupid enough and rich enough to buy it. And if they swap currencies inflation will automatically devalue the new currency. Also in some sense the dumping of money is the best situation for America, it would have purchased goods for a piece of paper that has little or no value

 

[Mononoke]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_foreign_exchange_reserves

you can see where the super power America stands in terms of Forex reserves most of these reserves are in USD...particularly Saudi Arabia....If they sell those dollars to the market in exchange of Euros or other currency the American economy and the dollar will just be next to nothing.....I hope you are getting my point...

And what do you think will happen to all the investments in china if the dollar falls. The country that will suffer the most from the current depression is china, because they are completely dependent on america for growth and even sustainability.

 

[Idi Amin]

Who is going to buy all those dollars? After all it's only a piece of paper, there isn't any gold backing it up, there is no real value in it. For china to sell the Us dollars there has to be buyer, who is stupid enough and rich enough to buy it. And if they swap currencies inflation will automatically devalue the new currency.

the chinese case is different my friend....the chinese are maintaining a very high foreign reserve in order to depreciate the Yuan...(One major reason for the chinese goods to be so cheap is this the Yuan is very cheap compared to the dollar..once the chinese start disposing the dollars the yuan will start appreciating..its not in the best interest of China to do that)...They hold a very big leverage now with the advent of the Euro......Countries like China japan and Saudi can shift to Euro...But its a chicken and egg situation for them the moment they start converting the values of their remaining dollar reserves are going to dwindle....but countries like Iran are now changing to Euro and Saudi is looking at converting their Petro Dollars to Petro Euros

 

[Idi Amin]

And what do you think will happen to all the investments in china if the dollar falls. The country that will suffer the most from the current depression is china, because they are completely dependent on america for growth and even sustainability.

In simple terms its like China Japan and Saudi depositing money in the US once they withraw that deposit the home curreny is going to appreciate against the dollar and the dollar will become unstable and loose its demand....

 

[sirajstc]

nice to see u both doing argue well keep going friends

 

[Mononoke]

the chinese case is different my friend....the chinese are maintaining a very high foreign reserve in order to depreciate the Yuan...(One major reason for the chinese goods to be so cheap is this the Yuan is very cheap compared to the dollar..once the chinese start disposing the dollars the yuan will start appreciating..its not in the best interest of China to do that)...They hold a very big leverage now with the advent of the Euro......Countries like China japan and Saudi can shift to Euro...But its a chicken and egg situation for them the moment they start converting the values of their remaining dollar reserves are going to dwindle....but countries like Iran are now changing to Euro and Saudi is looking at converting their Petro Dollars to Petro Euros

Two things. Firstly, it is a piece of paper without any real value. In some sense the dumping of money is the best situation for America, it would have purchased goods for a piece of paper. What matter are the buildings and goods that are in America.

Secondly, even if the Euro gains strength against the dollar all that would mean is that the US economy will shift towards exports. As was the case in 2007.

 

[Idi Amin]

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Two things. Firstly, it is a piece of paper without any real value. In some sense the dumping of money is the best situation for America, it would have purchased goods for a piece of paper. What matter are the buildings and goods that are in America.

The first part of your question is not clear to me...

Anyway..its not that it doesnt have value...there is value based on the prevailing currency rates.once those asian giants withraw their dollar bonds they can convert it to either their home currency or a more stable international currency like the euro....the moment this happens the global demand for the dollar will decrease and as a result the dollar will depreciate.

Now once the dollar drastically depreciated in a short time...internally US businesses valued in USD will loose value as result the share prices will fall....externally the reputation of the dollar as a stable international currency will be lost as a result the demand will further dwindle....

this lost vaccume internationally would be filled by one or more currencies ...The Euro is going to benefit from this.

Secondly, even if the Euro gains strength against the dollar all that would mean is that the US economy will shift towards exports. As was the case in 2007.

Its not easy as you think....China holds the export market and India is not far behind....The US will have run behind these giants