killing animal is a sin in any religion? Answer is below

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    brother if you beleive on Allah then why you are not accepting Alllah's words and command that siraj has quoted.



    this is my challenge, the peoples who are showing more sincerity and kindness to animal and are weeping for animal killing, eat more animal meat than others peoples:shocked:


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    ඔන්න අහගන්න.... මම මේ කියන්නෙ සත්තු නොමරන සහ මස් මාලු නොකන කෙනෙක් විදිහට.

    සත්තුන්ටත් අපිට වගේම පන තියෙනව. සත්තුන්ටත් අපිට වගේම වේදනාව බය දැනෙනව. උනුත් අපි වගේම ජීවත් වෙනව. නමුත් අපිට බුද්ධිමත්ව හිතන්න අනෙක් සත්තුන්ට වඩා ලොකු මොලයකුත් තියෙනව.

    කාටවත් කව්රු කිව්වත් තව සතෙක් මරන්න අයිතියක් තියෙන්න බෑ. ඕන සතෙක් මැරෙන්න බයයි. අපි මොන ජාතියට අයිති උනත්, මොන ආගම ඇදහුවත් ඒක වෙනස් වෙන්න බෑ. මොකද අපිත් මැරෙන්න බය නිසා.

    නමුත් සමහර ආගම් වල කියනව සතුන්ව මවල තියෙන්නෙ මිනිසාගේ පරිබෝජනය තකා කියල. ඒ මොන මෝඩ කතාවක්ද කියන එක අර අනිත් සත්තුන්ටවඩා මොලේ වැඩි වඩා දුරක් හිතන්න පුලුවන් මිනිහෙක් කියල ඉපදුන ඕන කෙනෙකුට තේරෙන්න ඕන..


    ඔය රස කරකර මස් හප හප ගිලින, සත්තු මරන්න අනුබල දෙන තමුන්නැහෙලා දැකල තියෙනවද මරන්න ඉන්න හරක්, එලුවො? උන් කොච්චර දඟලනවද කියල මරන්න හදන කොට? ඒකට තමයි කියන්නේ මරණ බය කියල. තමන්ගේ පණට ඉපදුන ඕන සතෙක් ආදරෙයි.

    හරි අපි කියමු දැන් තමුන්ගෙ ආගමේ තිබ්බ කියල එහෙම සත්තු මරන එක මරන් කන එක හොඳයි අවුලක් නෑ කියල. ඉතින් එහෙම උනත් ඔයාලට හිතෙන්නෙ නැද්ද මම මේ කරන දේට මේ සතා අකමැතියී කියල. ඌව දෙවියො මැව්වේ මිනිසාගේ පරිබෝජනය තකා නම් ඉතින් ඌ මැරෙන්න බය වෙන්න ඕන නෑ නෙව? ඌ කැමැත්තෙන්ම් එන්න එපැයි. ඇයි ඌ ලතෝනි දෙන්නෙ? ඇයි දුවන්නේ?

    ඔය මෙතන වීරයො වගේ සත්තු මරන එක හොඳයි කියන අයවත් ඔය සතා ඉන්න තැනට දාල මරන්න හැදුවොත් මොකද වෙන්නෙ?

    මේක තමයි මිත්‍යාද්රුෂ්ටිය කියන්නෙ. වැරදි දැකීම. අපි තේරුම් ගන්න ඕන තව දෙයක් තමයි, තව සතෙක්ව දැක්කම තමන්ට ඌව මරල කන්න හිතෙනවනම් තමන්ගේ මානසිකත්වය කොච්චර නීච, ම්ලේච්ඡ, කොච්චර පහත් එකක්ද කියල. තමන් තමන් ගැනම ලැජ්ජවෙන්න ඕන දෙයක් නේ.

    ඕන සතෙක්ට ජීවත් වෙන්න අයිතියක් තියෙනව. පන්සිල් වල පලවෙන සිල් පදෙන්ම කියවෙන්නෙ ඒකයි.
    නමුත් පන්සිල්වල තිබුන පලියට නෙමෙයි සත්තු නොමර ඉන්න ඕනේ.. තමන් අවබෝඩයෙන්. කව්රුවත් කිව්ව පලියට නෙමෙයි, කොහේවත් ලියල තිබුන පලියට නෙමෙයි, තමනුත් හොඳට හිතල බලලා......
     

    sirajstc

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    Discussion about eating meat or non vegetarian in Buddhism and Islam
    Sri Lanka Buddhist Student and researcher of Tipitaka revert to Islam when he did more research on Buddhist Tipitaka and Quran

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    llrajitha, I agree with you fully. Particularly, Muslims are brainwashed and trained from childhood days to kill and eat animal flesh.

    But Buddhists are not much different either. They also kill animals and eat flesh. We, both Buddhists and Muslims are trained and brainwashed to think that way.

    But if you wait a while and think about it deeply, you will realize that it is very nasty to kill another animal and eat its meat.

    Can you eat the meat of your pet kitty or doggy? Then how can you eat mutton (lamb)? Is not the goat as innocent as your pet doggy?

    I can say a lot more. You may disagree. But I don't wish to argue. It is all up to you to think.
     

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    llrajitha, I agree with you fully. Particularly, Muslims are brainwashed and trained from childhood days to kill and eat animal flesh.

    But Buddhists are not much different either. They also kill animals and eat flesh. We, both Buddhists and Muslims are trained and brainwashed to think that way.

    But if you wait a while and think about it deeply, you will realize that it is very nasty to kill another animal and eat its meat.

    Can you eat the meat of your pet kitty or doggy? Then how can you eat mutton (lamb)? Is not the goat as innocent as your pet doggy?

    I can say a lot more. You may disagree. But I don't wish to argue. It is all up to you to think.

    Ok while i respect vegetarians for having more self control than myself. I beleive vegetarianism is often a luxury and at times a tad bit hypocritical.

    The human body is most efficient as an omnivore. It is difficult to get all the protein and vitamin you need without eating meat, especially if you lead a very physically demanding life or a growing kid. Also for people living in impoverished areas cutting out on meat and using substitutes is simply not a viable option.

    It is wrong to assume that just because you don't eat meat you aren't killing animals or causing animal suffering. Every time you grow crops you create an ecosystem where many animals live and thrive. When you harvest these crops and cycle them you are effectively killing millions of animals. Also you might have to give up on milk or any other dairy products. The industrial grade milk suction pumps are not the most pleasant thing for cows they are pretty painful. And as ifssometimes the case they will suck out blood as well.
     

    llrajitha

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    Discussion about eating meat or non vegetarian in Buddhism and Islam
    Sri Lanka Buddhist Student and researcher of Tipitaka revert to Islam when he did more research on Buddhist Tipitaka and Quran

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    onna balala mallen eliyata panna. mekama kalin damma ara hijab eka justify karanna.

    kamak na ugeth kona kapala hondata sudda karala ganna.
     

    llrajitha

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    But Buddhists are not much different either. They also kill animals and eat flesh. We, both Buddhists and Muslims are trained and brainwashed to think that way.

    yes i accept that buddhists also kill and eat flesh. but i have to disagree that buddhists are brainwashed to think that killing is good and eating flesh is ok. first one of pansil is "i will avoid killing".

    christians are told they can kill and eat because they say all the animals are here for the use of humans.
     

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    yes i accept that buddhists also kill and eat flesh. but i have to disagree that buddhists are brainwashed to think that killing is good and eating flesh is ok. first one of pansil is "i will avoid killing".

    christians are told they can kill and eat because they say all the animals are here for the use of humans.

    Actually buddhist are more subtle about things. I have heard buddhist monks claiming that it is fine to eat meat because they don't actually kill what they eat. In that sense Christians and Muslims are more honest than some Buddhists. The Muslims especially have to be commended for requiring the animals to be killed in the most swift and least painful way.
     

    llrajitha

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    Actually buddhist are more subtle about things. I have heard buddhist monks claiming that it is fine to eat meat because they don't actually kill what they eat. In that sense Christians and Muslims are more honest than some Buddhists. The Muslims especially have to be commended for requiring the animals to be killed in the most swift and least painful way.

    Actually buddhist are more subtle about things. I have heard buddhist monks claiming that it is fine to eat meat because they don't actually kill what they eat.

    thats untrue. if you heard something like that that is totally wrong and discouraged by buddhism. if you doubt that listen to some bana. did they tell you the same thing in AC?


    In that sense Christians and Muslims are more honest than some Buddhists.

    and vice versa.

    The Muslims especially have to be commended for requiring the animals to be killed in the most swift and least painful way.

    halal or not halal, killing is killing, an innocent animal dies.

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    Actually buddhist are more subtle about things. I have heard buddhist monks claiming that it is fine to eat meat because they don't actually kill what they eat.

    thats untrue. if you heard something like that that is totally wrong and discouraged by buddhism. if you doubt that listen to some bana. did they tell you the same thing in AC?


    In that sense Christians and Muslims are more honest than some Buddhists.

    and vice versa.

    The Muslims especially have to be commended for requiring the animals to be killed in the most swift and least painful way.

    halal or not halal, killing is killing, an innocent animal dies.

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    Malli, why don't you go to some of the the famous Buddhist monasteries in colombo and look at what is offered and requested for lunch. I know this for a fact because my mother gives dane to all these temples at least once a month. Now don't ask me for silly evidence of this, if you don't beleive me here is an excerpt from an article by Dr. D.P Athukorala

    Dr. D.P Athukorala said:
    As far as I know the majority of Buddhist monks in Sri Lanka eat meat and meat products. Some monks sometimes mention to the dayakaya, items of diet such as chicken which they eat when the dayakaya meets them to book a date for "dana". Quite a number of Buddhist monks especially those living in temples such as "Sasuna" and hermitages do not consume any form of meat, fish or eggs, because that kind of food rouses passion and is not conducive to their spiritual upliftment.

    And I didn't go to Ananda to get indoctrinated by monkish gibberish, buddhism is a philosophy and an damn good one. that is it, period. What is happening in Sri Lanka is not Buddhism, it is idolatry lead by the institution that is the Sangha.

    And any form of killing isn't the same. I don't have to explain that to you it should be obvious.
     
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    ඔන්න අහගන්න.... මම මේ කියන්නෙ සත්තු නොමරන සහ මස් මාලු නොකන කෙනෙක් විදිහට.

    සත්තුන්ටත් අපිට වගේම පන තියෙනව. සත්තුන්ටත් අපිට වගේම වේදනාව බය දැනෙනව. උනුත් අපි වගේම ජීවත් වෙනව. නමුත් අපිට බුද්ධිමත්ව හිතන්න අනෙක් සත්තුන්ට වඩා ලොකු මොලයකුත් තියෙනව.

    කාටවත් කව්රු කිව්වත් තව සතෙක් මරන්න අයිතියක් තියෙන්න බෑ. ඕන සතෙක් මැරෙන්න බයයි. අපි මොන ජාතියට අයිති උනත්, මොන ආගම ඇදහුවත් ඒක වෙනස් වෙන්න බෑ. මොකද අපිත් මැරෙන්න බය නිසා.

    නමුත් සමහර ආගම් වල කියනව සතුන්ව මවල තියෙන්නෙ මිනිසාගේ පරිබෝජනය තකා කියල. ඒ මොන මෝඩ කතාවක්ද කියන එක අර අනිත් සත්තුන්ටවඩා මොලේ වැඩි වඩා දුරක් හිතන්න පුලුවන් මිනිහෙක් කියල ඉපදුන ඕන කෙනෙකුට තේරෙන්න ඕන..


    ඔය රස කරකර මස් හප හප ගිලින, සත්තු මරන්න අනුබල දෙන තමුන්නැහෙලා දැකල තියෙනවද මරන්න ඉන්න හරක්, එලුවො? උන් කොච්චර දඟලනවද කියල මරන්න හදන කොට? ඒකට තමයි කියන්නේ මරණ බය කියල. තමන්ගේ පණට ඉපදුන ඕන සතෙක් ආදරෙයි.

    හරි අපි කියමු දැන් තමුන්ගෙ ආගමේ තිබ්බ කියල එහෙම සත්තු මරන එක මරන් කන එක හොඳයි අවුලක් නෑ කියල. ඉතින් එහෙම උනත් ඔයාලට හිතෙන්නෙ නැද්ද මම මේ කරන දේට මේ සතා අකමැතියී කියල. ඌව දෙවියො මැව්වේ මිනිසාගේ පරිබෝජනය තකා නම් ඉතින් ඌ මැරෙන්න බය වෙන්න ඕන නෑ නෙව? ඌ කැමැත්තෙන්ම් එන්න එපැයි. ඇයි ඌ ලතෝනි දෙන්නෙ? ඇයි දුවන්නේ?

    ඔය මෙතන වීරයො වගේ සත්තු මරන එක හොඳයි කියන අයවත් ඔය සතා ඉන්න තැනට දාල මරන්න හැදුවොත් මොකද වෙන්නෙ?

    මේක තමයි මිත්‍යාද්රුෂ්ටිය කියන්නෙ. වැරදි දැකීම. අපි තේරුම් ගන්න ඕන තව දෙයක් තමයි, තව සතෙක්ව දැක්කම තමන්ට ඌව මරල කන්න හිතෙනවනම් තමන්ගේ මානසිකත්වය කොච්චර නීච, ම්ලේච්ඡ, කොච්චර පහත් එකක්ද කියල. තමන් තමන් ගැනම ලැජ්ජවෙන්න ඕන දෙයක් නේ.

    ඕන සතෙක්ට ජීවත් වෙන්න අයිතියක් තියෙනව. පන්සිල් වල පලවෙන සිල් පදෙන්ම කියවෙන්නෙ ඒකයි.


    නමුත් පන්සිල්වල තිබුන පලියට නෙමෙයි සත්තු නොමර ඉන්න ඕනේ.. තමන් අවබෝඩයෙන්. කව්රුවත් කිව්ව පලියට නෙමෙයි, කොහේවත් ලියල තිබුන පලියට නෙමෙයි, තමනුත් හොඳට හිතල බලලා......

    1000% agreed!
     

    gymamal

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    For the Muslim there is no need for separation between religion and science. It is understood from the Quran, revealed over 1,400 years ago, that there is both; "Creation" and "Evolution." And in both instances, it is only Allah who is "Able to do all things." In fact, it was the Muslim scientists, more than 1,000 years ago, who set the stage for the advancement of learning, technology and disciplines in science that we know today.

    Allah has explained how He created everything in the universe and brought all life out of water. He created humans from earth (not monkeys) and there is no need to attempt fabrications of "links" to the animal world in Islam.

    The Christian Bible says that Adam & Eve were both created here on Earth, less than 10,000 years ago. The Quran says that Adam & Eve were created in Heaven, and NOT on Earth. When they disobeyed God, He expelled them from Heaven, down to Earth.

    Muslims believe that souls are assigned to humans 40 days after the human inception. The Quran says that angels retrieve human souls on two occasions. One occasion is when humans die. The other occasion is every time humans fall asleep. When humans wakeup, the angels release those souls back to them:

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    It is Allah that takes the souls (of men) at death; and those that did not die, during their sleep: those on whom He has passed the decree of death, He keeps back, but the rest He sends (to their bodies) for a term appointed. Verily in this are Signs for those who reflect.


    [Noble Quran 39:42]



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    And Allah has Created every animal from water; of them are some creeping on their bellies; some walk on two legs; and some on four. Allah Creates what He wills: for sure Allah has Power over all things.


    [Noble Quran 24:45]



    The Quran has set a precedent 14 centuries before modern science, explaining in simple and direct terms about his "creation" of animals and their various functions and then assures us it is He who has the Power over everything. This statement includes the fact Allah can if He Wills, reshape and alter his creation as He Chooses. There is clear evidence within many species of alteration and changes within the species. However, there is no concrete evidence to support a cross over in development from one type to another, such as reptiles turning into birds or alligators turning into cows. The statements made in Quran are quite clear when Allah tells us of having brought forth other life forms and then destroying or replacing them with others. This again, does not imply evolution in the sense of one type becoming or changing into another.

    Allah tells us He is Al-Bari, (The Shaper or Evolver) but once again, this does not mean He has a need to bring about each individual life form all from one kind. Actually, while reading the Quran you learn He has brought many types and shapes and sizes as He Wills. Changes within species occur even as quickly as one or two seasons, not even taking a whole year, much less millions as was supposed by Darwin.

    Speaking of Charles Darwin, he was only an armature naturalist and had only observed the finches (birds) on the Galapagos Islands for the first time in the mid 1850s. He noticed that on each island the birds had different shaped beaks according to the type of food available on their particular island. For this reason, he assumed, the birds had progressed over millions of years and only the hardiest of the species had survived the climate and vegetation changes. However, this is totally inaccurate and was dismissed as a mere humor in a TV series on the educational channel in October of 1998. According to the scientists’ discoveries in that very same year, the effects of the weather phenomenon known as El Nino, the climate on these same exact islands had drastically changed in a single year within a number of months. And to their surprise, the eggs of the finches on each island hatched open producing birds with beaks already altered to accommodate the changes of their environment.

    The commentator even said this shoots Darwin's theory completely down and he laughed.

    There is no DNA research pointing to a connection between apes and humans as was supposed by the scientists and those who had financed them over the years. In fact, the barnyard pig is closer to humans in many aspects, than a monkey or a gorilla. Consider the fact, doctors use the skin from pigs to replace needed tissue on burn victims and the famous movie actor, John Wayne had a pig's heart valve installed in his own heart in a 1977 operation to save his life. It worked, too - until his smoking caused him to die of cancer.

    The rational approach to the whole subject is rather simple. Just as He is able to Create the universe and bring forth life, it is simple also for Him to produce as many different types of forms of life as He Wills. No problem for Him, after all - He is the Creator and He is the Shaper. And most important,


    CUMMON MAN! YOU QUOTE Quran? FOR PROVE THAT ALLHA CREATED THE WORLD! Holy shit!

    Then wat is the origin of god? if he created everything, where did he stayed when he creat universe????/:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

    this is computer age boy! If you can not prove it apart from the quran! JUST SHUT UP! BECOZ YOU WILL BE A FOOL LIKE YOUR GOD THEN!

    IF YOU REALLY WANNA DEBATE, FIND EVIDENCE THAT GOD'S CREATIONS!

    BEFORE ALL FIND THAT WHERE DID GOD STAYED WHEN HE CREATED THE UNIVERSE! :eek::eek::eek::lol::lol::lol::lol:

    YOU ARE JUST A MUSLIM WHO DON'T WANT ACCEPT THE TRUTH!

    I HAVE DEBATED IN A OTHER FORUM ABOUT THIS GOD'S CREATION & PROVED THAT GOD IS A SHIT!

    BUT ONE THING! IF YOU WANT TO DEBATE DON'T COME WITHOUT ACCEPTABLE FACTS! IF YOU HAVE ONLY QURAN, YOU ARE THE LOOSER!:lol::lol:
     

    llrajitha

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    Malli, why don't you go to some of the the famous Buddhist monasteries in colombo and look at what is offered and requested for lunch. I know this for a fact because my mother gives dane to all these temples at least once a month. Now don't ask me for silly evidence of this, if you don't beleive me here is an excerpt from an article by Dr. D.P Athukorala



    And I didn't go to Ananda to get indoctrinated by monkish gibberish, buddhism is a philosophy and an damn good one. that is it, period. What is happening in Sri Lanka is not Buddhism, it is idolatry lead by the institution that is the Sangha.

    And any form of killing isn't the same. I don't have to explain that to you it should be obvious.

    ayye killig is KILLING as long as someone dies!!!!!!!!!!