Top 10 Quotes from Quran about Women

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I am going to amuse my self by accepting your stupid argument that countries like India or China, both of which 105+ women to men ratios with populations around 1 billion, can't hold a proper census. Here is some actual mathematics for you. A percentage of .97 would mean that after one polygamous marriage in 100 we are at 50/50 and anything more would result in a rapid increase in male prostitution.

America has a large number of reported sexual abuses because women are free to speak out there. Unlike somewhere like Africa where the rape and murder of women is taken for granted as an integral part of a good woman's life. Of course most Arabic countries don't even release statistics, but the stories of local domestic workers being raped repeated while the authorities turn a blind eye is not rare.

Then u Accept the fact that allowing women more freely will increase the crime rate. this is why islam tells about veil for women. but it is wrongly misinterpreted and current civilized world criticizing about women rights in islam.
I accept with males population more in china and india wat is the reasons you know? females babies are either being aborted or killed at the time of birth.if you stop this you will see the ratio becoming other way around.
 

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Then u Accept the fact that allowing women more freely will increase the crime rate.

I never implied such a thing.

Mononoke said:
America has a large number of reported sexual abuses because women are free to speak out there.

This sentence was meant to highlight how men cannot get away with rape or any other such sexual abuse in America because women will report those incidence, because that society grants more freedoms for women than third world societies where women are not in a position to even report crimes against them. To get a high crime rate you need crimes to be reported.

this is why islam tells about veil for women. but it is wrongly misinterpreted and current civilized world criticizing about women rights in islam.

So the women have to cover themselves because men cannot keep their hands to themselves, that has to be the most bigoted thing I have heard today.

I accept with males population more in china and india wat is the reasons you know? females babies are either being aborted or killed at the time of birth.if you stop this you will see the ratio becoming other way around.

How can possibly say these things, and where do you get these numbers? In the European case, where we know for sure there aren't any mass abortions of female fetuses, the ratio's are .95. With those numbers you can have at most 2 polygamous marriages per 100 before you start running out of women for men. simple maths defeat you. I showed this earlier.

Mononoke said:
A percentage of .97 would mean that after one polygamous marriage in 100 we are at 50/50 and anything more would result in a rapid increase in male prostitution.
 
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I never implied such a thing.



This sentence was meant to highlight how men cannot get away with rape or any other such sexual abuse in America because women will report those incidence, because that society grants more freedoms for women than third world societies where women are not in a position to even report crimes against them. To get a high crime rate you need crimes to be reported.

Even if it is allowed to talk freely as same as USA or europe, and behaving with community or males under some control as per islamic way.I feel there won't be much reported sex abuse as much as in Europe.

So the women have to cover themselves because men cannot keep their hands to themselves, that has to be the most bigoted thing I have heard today.
of course males are by nature to act like that, for eg.if two girls are walking on the road,both of them are equally beautiful 1.wearing Islamic dress (covering the body and face & wrist only open) 2.girl with western dress(mini skirt and tight blouse), a guy waiting to tease a girl., can you tell me whom he will tease??? naturally with girl wearing western dress.....I feel preventing better than cure.

How can possibly say these things, and where do you get these numbers? In the European case, where we know for sure there aren't any mass abortions of female fetuses, the ratio's are .95. With those numbers you can have at most 2 polygamous marriages per 100 before you start running out of women for men. simple maths defeat you. I showed this earlier.

I told abt only india,china and some others regarding femal fetuses, i never told even in US and europe it is happening. so that i feel it is relevant to check those developed countries.
Males/Females
United Kingdom males 96 for 100 females
United States of America 97
Spain 97
norway 99
Japan 95
Germany 96
France 95
Finland 96
Norway 99
sweden 99
Switzerland 95
Netherland 98
Brazil 97
Australia 99
Newzealand 98
even in SL 97. as per this site see the link...http://www.geohive.com/earth/pop_gender.aspx

and as per islam it is not necessarily to marry more than one.we have to fulfill many requirements to qualify for this.if we just marry without eligible we will surely be punished by Allah.pls keep this in ur mind.
 

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sudunone,
We are checking the whole male/female population.you can chk my previous data for the ration.
by the way one more thing i wanted to say
--By nature males and females are born in approximately the same ratio. A female child has more immunity than a male child. A female child can fight the germs and diseases better than the male child. For this reason, during the pediatric age itself there are more deaths among males as compared to the females.
During wars, there are more men killed as compared to women. More men die due to accidents and diseases than women. The average life span of females is more than that of males, and at any given time one finds more widows in the world than widowers.
Moreover Females should be far more than this....if killing at birth is stopped.,i.e
--India is one of the few countries, along with the other neighbouring countries, in which the female population is less than the male population. The reason lies in the high rate of female infanticide in India, and the fact that more than one million female foetuses are aborted every year in this country, after they are identified as females. If this evil practice is stopped, then India too will have more females as compared to males.

No, In most countries younger female population is slightly less than males. By the way, as far as I know, India is the only country that kills female fetuses. China kills children born in addition to the allocated 1 or 2 per family, regardless of the sex.
In older population females outnumber males. So, if at all, men should be allowed to marry an extra elderly woman, who is above 55-60 years.
I have many Muslim friends and none of them believe in polygamy. Hardly any educated Muslim marries an extra wife even when they can afford to.
 
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No, In most countries younger female population is slightly less than males. By the way, as far as I know, India is the only country that kills female fetuses. China kills children born in addition to the allocated 1 or 2 per family, regardless of the sex.
In older population females outnumber males. So, if at all, men should be allowed to marry an extra elderly woman, who is above 55-60 years.
I have many Muslim friends and none of them believe in polygamy. Hardly any educated Muslim marries an extra wife even when they can afford to.

Mr.Sudunone,

I never said you, That we Should marry more than one. don't misunderstand me again.it is not only a question of afford, there are many guideline underlined by Quran if we want to do so....
we never argued with you for all of you to marry more than one but, when non muslim say islam is barbaric religion and no rights for females,and we marry more than one just for sex desire, then only We say u & argue it is possible and we are allowed to do so as per quran under strict quide lines rather than going to a prostitute.but most of us avoid this, just bec we fear we wont be just and we are answerable to almighty Allah if any shortage while we are doing so...
 

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  • 3. A husband may simply get rid of one of his undesirable wives.

    The Quran in Sura 4:129 says:

    It is not within your power to be perfectly equitable in your treatment with all your wives, even if you wish to be so; therefore, [in order to satisfy the dictates of Divine Law] do not lean towards one wife so as to leave the other in a state of suspense. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 381)

    Maududi provides an interpretation of the verse (vol. 1, pp. 383—84, note 161). He writes:

    Allah made it clear that the husband cannot literally keep equality between two or more wives because they themselves cannot be equal in all respects. It is too much to demand from a husband that he should mete out equal treatment to a beautiful wife and to an ugly wife, to a young wife and to an old wife, to a healthy wife and to an invalid wife, and to a good natured wife and to an ill—natured wife. These and like things naturally make a husband more inclined towards one wife than towards the other.

    This means that wives are the source of a man's inability to treat all of them equally. One is beautiful, while another is ugly. How can Allah demand from a husband super—human strength under changing circumstances in his wives?

    Maududi continues:

    In such cases, the Islamic law does not demand equal treatment between them in affection and love. What it does demand is that a wife should not be neglected as to be practically reduced to the position of the woman who has no husband at all. If the husband does not divorce her for any reason or at her own request, she should at least be treated as a wife. It is true that under such circumstances the husband is naturally inclined towards a favorite wife, but he should not, so to say, keep the other in such a state of suspense as if she were not his wife.

    Maududi says here that the wife should not be suspended between marriage and divorce. If the husband stays with the no—longer desirable wife, then he should treat her fairly and provide for her.

    More detail can be found here. This article (see 'the unpleasant truth behind divorce in Sura 4:130') demonstrates that Muhammad wanted to divorce one of his wives because she was overweight and old. Instead of a divorce, she gave up her turn'in the 'rotation'with the Prophet, who gladly agreed with her proposal. See these three hadith here, here and here
     

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    3. A husband may simply get rid of one of his undesirable wives.

    The Quran in Sura 4:129 says:
    Maududi provides an interpretation of the verse (vol. 1, pp. 383—84, note 161). He writes:

    ............. See these three hadith

    you have used very deceiving way to creat confusion about this verse through providing self desired paragraph from maududi explaination and giving self interpretitions....
    the meaning of the ayat are very much clear to see what it is infact told in verse, ayat..


    (4,129) You will never be able to do perfect justice between wives even if it is your ardent desire, so do not incline too much to one of them (by giving her more of your time and provision) so as to leave the other hanging (i.e. neither divorced nor married). And if you do justice, and do all that is right and fear Allâh by keeping away from all that is wrong, then Allâh is Ever Oft¬Forgiving, Most Merciful. (129)

    Now see the complete explaination by maudodi


    *161. This means that it is not possible for a man to accord complete equality of treatment to two or more wives under all circumstances and in all respects. It is possible that one is ugly, the other beautiful; one is old, the other young; one is permanently sick, the other healthy; one is irritable, the other good-tempered. These and other differences are likely to make a person less attracted to one and more to the other. In such circumstances, the Law does not demand that one should necessarily maintain absolute equality between the wives in respect of love, emotional attachment and sexual relationship. What it does demand is that if a husband does not repudiate the marriage despite aversion for his wife, either because of his own desire or out of consideration for the desire of his wife, he should at least maintain a good relationship short of which his wife begins to feel as if she is without a husband. In such circumstances, while it is natural that a person should prefer one wife to the other, this should not go to the extent that the woman remains, as it were, in a state of suspension, as if she were without a husband at all.
    Some people point out that in this verse the Qur'an in one breath stipulates justice as the necessary condition for plurality of wives and in the other breath declares it to be impossible. On this ground they conclude that the Qur'an has itself revoked the permission to marry more than one wife. There is, however, absolutely no justification for such an inference. Such an inference would have been justified had the Qur'an merely said that 'You will not be able to treat your wives with (absolute) justice.' But this statement has been followed by the directive: ' ... do not allow yourselves to incline wholly to one, leaving the other in suspense.' This leaves no grounds at all for the blind followers of Christian Europe to force an interpretation of their liking on the verse.
    *162. If a man does not deliberately inflict any wrong and tries earnestly to be just in his dealings God will pardon whatever minor shortcomings take place.

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    Wal Bada

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  • 1. Mature men are allowed to marry prepubescent girls.

    The Quran in Sura 65:1, 4 says:

    65:1 O Prophet, when you [and the believers] divorce women, divorce them for their prescribed waiting—period and count the waiting—period accurately . . . 4 And if you are in doubt about those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, (you should know that) their waiting period is three months, and the same applies to those who have not menstruated as yet. As for pregnant women, their period ends when they have delivered their burden. (Maududi, vol. 5, pp. 599 and 617, emphasis added)

    Maududi correctly interprets the plain meaning of verse 4, which appears in the context of divorce:

    Therefore, making mention of the waiting—period for girls who have not yet menstruated, clearly proves that it is not only permissible to give away the girl at this age but it is permissible for the husband to consummate marriage with her. Now, obviously no Muslim has the right to forbid a thing which the Qur'an has held as permissible. (Maududi, vol. 5, p. 620, note 13, emphasis added)

    Divorcing prepubescent girls implies marriage to them. So the fathers of prepubescent girls may give them away, and their new husbands may consummate their marriage with them. If Islam ever spread around the world, no one should be surprised if Quran—believing Muslims lowered the marriage age of girls to nine years old.

    This is precisely what happened in Iran after the religious revolution of Ayatollah Khomeini. A girl's marriage age was lowered to nine years.


    Why should this surprise us? After all, Muhammad was betrothed to Aisha when she was six, and he consummated their union when she was only nine.

    The hadith says:

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    . . [T]hen he [Muhammad] wrote the marriage (wedding) contract with Aishah when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed [sic, consummated] that marriage when she was nine years old.

    Hadiths demonstrates that Muhammad pursued Aisha when she was a little girl.

    The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said 'But I am your brother.' The Prophet said, 'You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry.'

    This hadith recounts the fifty—plus—year—old Muhammad's and the nine—year—old Aisha's first sexual encounter. She was playing on her swing set with her girlfriends when she got the call.

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    . . [M]y mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, 'Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck.' Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.

    Muhammad counseling a Muslim man to marry a young virgin for the extra thrill it gives him to fondle her, and she him.

    When I got married, Allah's Apostle said to me, 'What type of lady have you married?' I replied, 'I have married a matron.' He said, 'Why, don't you have a liking for the virgins and for fondling them?' Jabir also said: Allah's Apostle said, 'Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you might play with her and she with you?'
    (Bukhari)

    This hadith describes Muhammad's and Aisha's ill—timed sexual encounters:

    Narrated 'Aisha:

    The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to fondle me. While in Itikaf, he used to bring his head near me and I would wash it while I used to be in my periods (menses). (Bukhari)

    For more evidence on this most outlandish of Muhammad's domestic acts even for seventh—century Arabia, readers should refer to this article. This article responds to Muslim defenses of this indefensible Quranic permission. This summary of a news reports reveals Pakistan lowering the marriage age to twelve for a girl.
     

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    1. Mature men are allowed to marry prepubescent girls.

    The Quran in Sura 65:1, 4 says:

    Maududi correctly interprets the plain meaning of verse 4, which appears in the context of divorce:

    Therefore, making mention of the waiting—period for girls who have not yet menstruated, clearly proves that it is not only permissible to give away the girl at this age but it is permissible for the husband to consummate marriage with her. Now, obviously no Muslim has the right to forbid a thing which the Qur'an has held as permissible. (Maududi, vol. 5, p. 620, note 13, emphasis added)

    Divorcing prepubescent girls implies marriage to them. So the fathers of prepubescent girls may give them away, and their new husbands may consummate their marriage with them. If Islam ever spread around the world, no one should be surprised if Quran—believing Muslims lowered the marriage age of girls to nine years old.

    we have answer your all question and in your question you have always try to mislead the reader in a very deceiving manner throught personal interpretition and personal selection of explaination...

    if we read the ayat /verse it come to know that what the Quran is giving value to women see the ayaat complete:

    O Prophet (SAW)! When you divorce women, divorce them at their 'Iddah (prescribed periods), and count (accurately) their 'Iddah (periods[] ). And fear Allâh your Lord (O Muslims), And turn them not out of their (husband's) homes, nor shall they (themselves) leave, except in case they are guilty of some open illegal sexual intercourse. And those are the set limits of Allâh. And whosoever transgresses the set limits of Allâh, then indeed he has wronged himself. You (the one who divorces his wife) know not, it may be that Allâh will afterward bring some new thing to pass (i.e. to return her back to you if that was the first or second divorce). (1) Then when they are about to attain their term appointed, either take them back in a good manner or part with them in a good manner. And take as witness two just persons from among you (Muslims). And establish the testimony for Allâh. That will be an admonition given to him who believes in Allâh and the Last Day. And whosoever fears Allâh and keeps his duty to Him, He will make a way for him to get out (from every difficulty). (2)

    all matter is different them what you are presenting

    The hadith says:
    Hadiths demonstrates that Muhammad pursued Aisha when she was a little girl.

    For more evidence on this most outlandish of Muhammad's domestic acts even for seventh—century Arabia, readers should refer to this article. This article responds to Muslim defenses of this indefensible Quranic permission. This summary of a news reports reveals Pakistan lowering the marriage age to twelve for a girl.

    this all is your personal interpretition ...no source ...no reference.purpose is just to expose...expose

    i am the citizen of pakistan i have not read this ...
    you are doing only to support your subject matters..

    we have discuss about Prophet marriage to ayesha and the material given in answer is much for satisfaction of a rational reader...

    Quran says well
    It is the same to them whether you warn them or you warn them not, they will not believe. (10) You can only warn him who follows the Reminder (the Qur'ân), and fears the Most Gracious (Allâh) unseen. Bear you to such one the glad tidings of forgiveness, and a generous reward (i.e. Paradise). (11)
     

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    marring a small girl with her parents will is the problem for u but if any1 rapes no problem.

    y u convert small girls and boys to clergys without knowing there wish,..

    anyway useless explaining to u becoz even ur kings can keep dozens and may b ur problem is y its stricted only to 4????????????????

    there is no ant religion tells to marry only 1.........................
     

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    When I got married, Allah's Apostle said to me, 'What type of lady have you married?' I replied, 'I have married a matron.' He said, 'Why, don't you have a liking for the virgins and for fondling them?' Jabir also said: Allah's Apostle said, 'Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you might play with her and she with you?'

    The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to fondle me. While in Itikaf, he used to bring his head near me and I would wash it while I used to be in my periods (menses). (Bukhari)

    Ah, I've heard of this one.
     

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    Hafisaad>> Is marrying a 9 year old right or wrong? Don't beat about the bush and give a direct answer.

    if you are serious see the thread prophet mariage to Ayesha and the material we have posted . there is a complete answer for all these criticism
     
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    Dear Walbada,

    As I saw your comment about Prophets married 9 or 11years old girl ayesha.I just want to make u a simple answer for you. See if you ask your parents and Grand parents see they will tell you even at their time, girls used to get marry even at the age of 11 or 12. in this time it seems to be so funny for us when we hear about that from them. at that time it was reasonable for them for some reasons. now u cant tell, they are bad,they are barbaric they got married very early and all those things.see it was reasonable for them.
    like wise even we cant debate based on what happened before 1400 years. for sure it cant be because Mohammed (SAW) desired to marry young girls. because he even married a 40 years widow lady (katheeja) at the time he was 25. SO even a lay man will understand that prophet mohammed never married just for his disires.
    Hope you will understand
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    Wal Bada

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  • Dear Walbada,

    As I saw your comment about Prophets married 9 or 11years old girl ayesha.I just want to make u a simple answer for you. See if you ask your parents and Grand parents see they will tell you even at their time, girls used to get marry even at the age of 11 or 12. in this time it seems to be so funny for us when we hear about that from them. at that time it was reasonable for them for some reasons. now u cant tell, they are bad,they are barbaric they got married very early and all those things.see it was reasonable for them.
    If my grandpa was a serial killer does it make serial killing acceptable?

    like wise even we cant debate based on what happened before 1400 years. for sure it cant be because Mohammed (SAW) desired to marry young girls. because he even married a 40 years widow lady (katheeja) at the time he was 25.
    (40+9)/2 = 24.5. Whew! what mathematics! The question is whether marrying a 9 yr old is right or wrong.

    So even a lay man will understand that prophet mohammed never married just for his disires.
    Hope you will understand
    He did not have sex with Ayisha then it seems. He would have kept her as an ornament!
    FFS, the question is whether to hump a 9-yr-old pre pubescent girl is right or wrong!
     
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    If my grandpa was a serial killer does it make serial killing acceptable?

    oh wat a stupid!!..i was talking about time of maturity..

    (40+9)/2 = 24.5. Whew! what mathematics! The question is whether marrying a 9 yr old is right or wrong.

    I was not talking abt maths here,i was only telling even he married 40 years old lady,you will never marry a 40 years widow. if you have desire of sex,u will prefer only young girl. im sorry to know that i have given reply to an layman.

    He did not have sex with Ayisha then it seems. He would have kept her as an ornament!
    FFS, the question is whether to hump a 9-yr-old pre pubescent girl is right or wrong!

    here u are insulting mohammed, we never insult other religion this is what we learn from our religions.we also can if we want, we never want to do that.anyway i feel it is not appropriate to reply to narrow minded people, leave it to ALLAH to open your heart& give wisdom.

    “Deaf,dumb and blind, They will not return (To the path).” [Al-Qur’aan 2:18]
     

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    Dear Walbada,

    As I saw your comment about Prophets married 9 or 11years old girl ayesha.I just want to make u a simple answer for you. See if you ask your parents and Grand parents see they will tell you even at their time, girls used to get marry even at the age of 11 or 12. in this time it seems to be so funny for us when we hear about that from them. at that time it was reasonable for them for some reasons. now u cant tell, they are bad,they are barbaric they got married very early and all those things.see it was reasonable for them.
    like wise even we cant debate based on what happened before 1400 years. for sure it cant be because Mohammed (SAW) desired to marry young girls. because he even married a 40 years widow lady (katheeja) at the time he was 25. SO even a lay man will understand that prophet mohammed never married just for his disires.
    Hope you will understand
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    this may be the fake profile of that "silani"...because i can remember a similar reply(ask ur parents,grand parents..crap...)by that person sailani when i asked the same question...these handful of muslims make multiple profiles and make total shit in these forums...:dull:

    anyway,,i have asked my parents,my grand parents also,,but i never came across anybody who married at a very small age like 9.....(actually, Mohammed married her at the age of 6,,had sex at the age of 9 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F13gtjjDEgE even non of the us have heard any case like that in our 2500years history of sri Lanka or even in India.....besides,age9 is a PRE-pubescent age where a child doesn't get any sexual arousals....she would have known nothing when ur prophet did "that" to her......poor girl....

    but i know that islam is a religion that goes 100% on faith....so not only this incident,,but also if their prophet had done something even worse,our dear muslims will have hundreds of things to say..thats the nature of that religion.....
     
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