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[sirajstc]

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[senator]

In an earlier post, I have given some world famous vegetarians. I can give a long, long list.

Here are a few other names from Sri Lanka. R. Premadasa, Gamini Dissanayaka, S. J. V. Chelvanayagam, Dr. D. P. Atukorala (cardiologist)

 

[sirajstc]

SO what wats ur point here?

 

[senator]

SO what wats ur point here?

My point? Still you didn't get it? OMG

My point is vegetarianism is Prayogikai, Vidyanukulai, Yugayata Gelapenawa.

 

[sirajstc]

Hahaha then Mash maalu ema kanne netuwa inna

 

[senator]

Hahaha then Mash maalu ema kanne netuwa inna

Thank you. Thank you. For your advice.

 

[samithbuddhika]

Hello sirajstc ,

මචෝ මම ඔබත් එක්ක තර්ක කිරිම සදහා මෙය නොදමි.....මම මස් මාංශ නොකන නිසා ( ඔබේ වචනයෙන් මා හෙජියෙකි ) මම මගේ අදහස කිමට සිතමි....

බුද්ධාගමට අනුව මස් කැම අනුමතද නැත් ද ? යන්න කතා කිරීමට ඔබ එතරම් ධර්මය දනීද යන්න මට ගැටලුවකී ( ඔබ බුද්ධාගමේ අයකු නොවන බව මට සිතේ)... මොකද ඔබ අනුන් කියන ටිකක් මේ සදහා දමා ඇත... බුද්ධාගම යනු තාර්කිකව සිතා බැලිය යුතු දහමකි...

බුදුන් මස් කා ඇති බව මම පිලිගනි... බුදුන් වෙනුවෙන් දෙන ඔනැම දෙයක් බුදුන් පිලිගනී....නමුත් බුදුන්ගේ ජිවිතය අවසාන කාලයේ මස් කැම තහනම් කර බව ඔබ නොදන්නා බව පැහැදිලි වේ... (මෙයට කතාවක් තිබේ හාමුදුරැකෙනෙක්ගෙන් අසා දැන ගන්න)

මිනිසා යනු උසස් මනසක් ඇති සත්වයකී... මිනිසා සතකු මෙන් සිට පරිනාමය වී තිබේ... මිනිස් ශරීරය අනුව මිනිසා සත්ව භක්ෂිකයකු නොවන බව ඔබ දන්නවා ඇතියැයි සිතමි (මෙය මා නොව බටහිර රටවල මිනිසුන් කියන කතාවකී)

අනෙකුත් මස් කන සතුන් මස් කැ යුතුය... මොකද උන් ගේ සිත දියුනු වෙලා නැත... (හොද වෙලාවට නැත්නම් මිනිස්සුන්ට දෙවියන්ගේම පිහිටයි).. ඉතින් උන් දන්නේ ජන්මයෙන් ආ මස් කැම විතරයි.... ලෝකයෙන්ම දියුනු යැයි කියා ගන්නා මිනිසා අනෙක් සතුන් මෙන් හැසිරීම ගැන සිතා බලන්න....

මෙය ගැන ඉතා කතා කල යුතු දෙයකි..... ( තාර්කිකව සිතා බලා විතරක් වන අතර ඔබ වේනත් ආගම කෙනෙක් නම් මෙය බුදුදහමට විරැද්දව දැම්මානම් ඔබ සමග මෙය ගැන කතා කිරීමෙන් පලක් නැත)

 

[amila_90210]

My point? Still you didn't get it? OMG

My point is vegetarianism is Prayogikai, Vidyanukulai, Yugayata Gelapenawa.

යූ ටූ හෑවු සෝ මච් ඉන් කොමන්

 

[smallvilleclerk50]

according to the science i know blood is almost sterile. It has WBC which destroy foreign bodies. from which god this siraj idiot found this much lies? uneducated illitereate chaa maxx. the vdo centre is not the whole world

 

[hafizsaad]

Look,

www.chooseveg.com/animal-cruelty.asp

If you are sensitive, don't watch.

Brother your Quoted vedio is very much offensive, abusing and showing cruelity for Animals...this behavior with animals and style of slaughtering is not permited in islam.islam has given a complete proceedure and conditions for slaughtering animal so that animal feel very low pain and also suitable for health..

 

[amila_90210]

Brother your this vedio is very much offensive, abusing and showing cruelity for Animals...this behavior with animals and style of slatering is not permited in islam.islam has given a complete proceedure and conditions for slatering animal so that animal feel very low pain and also suitable for health..

can you describe it.. i mean the procedure

 

[hafizsaad]

can you describe it.. i mean the procedure

Islamic method of Slaughtering animals is better



Is it no wonder that animals killed using any method other than cutting the jugular vein is forbidden in the islam? God knows best what's good for us!

Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H.) Said "God calls for mercy in everything, so be merciful when you kill and when you slaughter, sharpen your blade to relieve its pain".

It says the object or tool used to slaughter the animal should be sharp and used swiftly. The swift cutting of vessels of the neck disconnects the flow of blood to the nerves in the brain responsible for pain. Thus the animal does not feel pain. The movements and withering that happen to the animal after the cut is made are not due to pain, but due to the contraction and relaxation of the muscles deficient in blood. The prophet (peace be upon him) also taught Muslims neither to sharpen the blade of the knife in front of the animal nor to slaughter an animal in front of others of its own kind.


scientific reason...

Many allegations have been made that Islamic slaughter is not humane to animals. However, Professor Schultz and his colleague Dr. Hazim of the Hanover University, Germany, proved through an experiment, using an electroencephalograph (EEG) and electrocardiogram (ECG) that *Islamic slaughter is THE humane method of slaughter* and captive bolt stunning, practiced by the Western method, causes severe pain to the animal. The results surprised many.


Experimental Details:

1. Several electrodes were surgically implanted at various points of the skull of all animals, touching the surface of thebrain.

2. The animals were allowed to recover for several weeks.

3. Some animals were slaughtered by making a swift, deep incision with a sharp knife on the neck cutting the jugular veins and carotid Arteries of both sides; as also the trachea and esophagusHalal (Islamic) Method.

4. Some animals were stunned using a captive bolt pistol humane slaughter, electric shocks by the western method.

5. During the experiment, EEG and ECG were recorded on all animals to record the condition of the brain and heart during the course of slaughter and stunning.



Results and Discussion:

I - Halal Method (Islamic Method)

1. The first three seconds from the time of Islamic slaughter as recorded on the EEG did not show any change from the graph before slaughter, thus indicating that the animal did not feel any pain during or immediately after the incision.

2. For the following 3 seconds, the EEG recorded a condition of deep sleep - unconsciousness. This is due to a large quantity of blood gushing out from the body.

3. After the above mentioned 6 seconds, the EEG recorded zero level, showing no feeling of pain at all.

4. As the brain message (EEG) dropped to zero level, the heart was still pounding and the body convulsing vigorously (a reflex action of the spinal cord) driving maximum blood from the body: resulting in hygienic meat for the consumer.

II - Western method by C.B.P. Stunning

1. The animals were apparently unconscious soon after stunning.

2. EEG showed severe pain immediately after stunning.

3. The hearts of the animal stunned by C.B.P. stopped beating earlier as compared to those of the animals slaughtered according to the Halal method resulting in the retention of more blood inthe meat. This in turn is unhygienic for the consumer.

(Many thanks to MSO - University of Miami)

 

[amila_90210]

1st Thank For replying,

Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H.) Said "God calls for mercy in everything, so be merciful when you kill and when you slaughter, sharpen your blade to relieve its pain".

1. better wording is minimize pain ..is it not relieve? am I right? relieving is diminish existing pain is'nt it ?

The swift cutting of vessels of the neck disconnects the flow of blood to the nerves in the brain responsible for pain. Thus the animal does not feel pain.

2.
This is a lie(100%)
nerves are supplied by arteries ..cutting jugular vein would not accomplish above need
to discontinue pain either

• nerves should be denervated or
• desensitized pain receptor areas .
• body's protective mechanisms tries maintain blood supply to vital organs such as brain until the last moment by reducing blood flow to large organs like skin & intestine
  

(prove if im wrong)
& cutting a vein leading to slow & painful death

The movements and withering that happen to the animal after the cut is made are not due to pain, but due to the contraction and relaxation of the muscles deficient in blood.

3. another false statement

• Cutting a vein does not directly reduce the blood flow to muscles. Its a subsequent process due to reducing cardiac output in response to lowering blood volume in the circulation.
• Compensatory mechanisms tries to maintain optimum blood pressure( which require to pump blood in to organs) inspite of lowering blood volume until a point where blood supply to organs cannot be maintained.

due to The prophet (peace be upon him) also taught Muslims neither to sharpen the blade of the knife in front of the animal nor to slaughter an animal in front of others of its own kind.

this is by far the only reasonable saying to me

3. Some animals were slaughtered by making a swift, deep incision with a sharp knife on the neck cutting the jugular veins and carotid Arteries of both sides; as also the trachea and esophagusHalal (Islamic) Method.

4.
This is called incomplete decapitation
5.
is this the Islamic way?

I just wanna know..one my Islamic friend &

Is it no wonder that animals killed using any method other than cutting the jugular vein is forbidden in the Holy Quran

as you quote early as gods word is bit different aren't they.I m surpriced
Please Answer to the point no need of huge cut & paste stuff

PS: I ve never wanna question your religion until geek like Siraj insists me to do it ,insulting me & my religeon here & there
Thank you

 

[ela_eluwa120]

Islamic method of Slaughtering animals is better



Is it no wonder that animals killed using any method other than cutting the jugular vein is forbidden in the islam? God knows best what's good for us!

Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H.) Said "God calls for mercy in everything, so be merciful when you kill and when you slaughter, sharpen your blade to relieve its pain".

It says the object or tool used to slaughter the animal should be sharp and used swiftly. The swift cutting of vessels of the neck disconnects the flow of blood to the nerves in the brain responsible for pain. Thus the animal does not feel pain. The movements and withering that happen to the animal after the cut is made are not due to pain, but due to the contraction and relaxation of the muscles deficient in blood. The prophet (peace be upon him) also taught Muslims neither to sharpen the blade of the knife in front of the animal nor to slaughter an animal in front of others of its own kind.


scientific reason...

Many allegations have been made that Islamic slaughter is not humane to animals. However, Professor Schultz and his colleague Dr. Hazim of the Hanover University, Germany, proved through an experiment, using an electroencephalograph (EEG) and electrocardiogram (ECG) that *Islamic slaughter is THE humane method of slaughter* and captive bolt stunning, practiced by the Western method, causes severe pain to the animal. The results surprised many.


Experimental Details:

1. Several electrodes were surgically implanted at various points of the skull of all animals, touching the surface of thebrain.

2. The animals were allowed to recover for several weeks.

3. Some animals were slaughtered by making a swift, deep incision with a sharp knife on the neck cutting the jugular veins and carotid Arteries of both sides; as also the trachea and esophagusHalal (Islamic) Method.

4. Some animals were stunned using a captive bolt pistol humane slaughter, electric shocks by the western method.

5. During the experiment, EEG and ECG were recorded on all animals to record the condition of the brain and heart during the course of slaughter and stunning.



Results and Discussion:

I - Halal Method (Islamic Method)

1. The first three seconds from the time of Islamic slaughter as recorded on the EEG did not show any change from the graph before slaughter, thus indicating that the animal did not feel any pain during or immediately after the incision.

2. For the following 3 seconds, the EEG recorded a condition of deep sleep - unconsciousness. This is due to a large quantity of blood gushing out from the body.

3. After the above mentioned 6 seconds, the EEG recorded zero level, showing no feeling of pain at all.

4. As the brain message (EEG) dropped to zero level, the heart was still pounding and the body convulsing vigorously (a reflex action of the spinal cord) driving maximum blood from the body: resulting in hygienic meat for the consumer.

II - Western method by C.B.P. Stunning

1. The animals were apparently unconscious soon after stunning.

2. EEG showed severe pain immediately after stunning.

3. The hearts of the animal stunned by C.B.P. stopped beating earlier as compared to those of the animals slaughtered according to the Halal method resulting in the retention of more blood inthe meat. This in turn is unhygienic for the consumer.

(Many thanks to MSO - University of Miami)

Acceptable if the authority is unquestionable.

To illustrate, the experiment was done by Muslims. so its impossible to accept it as non-bias.

 

[ela_eluwa120]

Results and Discussion:

I - Halal Method (Islamic Method)


3. After the above mentioned 6 seconds, the EEG recorded zero level, showing no feeling of pain at all.

4. As the brain message (EEG) dropped to zero level, the heart was still pounding and the body convulsing vigorously (a reflex action of the spinal cord) driving maximum blood from the body: resulting in hygienic meat for the consumer.

Even though the brain messages dropped to zero level, the animal still gets the messages of pain by its spinal cord, and remember that the spinal cord is a combination of nerve tissues and support cells to the brain, which means the animal still feels the pain from its spinal cord even after cutting the jugular vein. As a result, the animal strives to be alive by maintaining the blood supply to vital organs. (referring back to amila_90210's post)

The mentioned experiment doesn't recognize this reality simply because the electrodes were implanted only to the skull, concerning only the brain, assuming that the animal feels only from the brain. ("bright" hypothesis)

 

[amila_90210]

Even though the brain messages dropped to zero level, the animal still gets the messages of pain by its spinal cord, and remember that the spinal cord is a combination of nerve tissues and support cells to the brain, which means the animal still feels the pain from its spinal cord even after cutting the jugular vein. As a result, the animal strives to be alive by maintaining the blood supply to vital organs. (referring back to amila_90210's post)

The mentioned experiment doesn't recognize this reality simply because the electrodes were implanted only to the skull, concerning only the brain, assuming that the animal feels only from the brain. ("bright" hypothesis)

I didn't talk about the Experiment simply because Experiment setup is not what exactly said in the Koran.
What you say is correct about the lower level of pain sensation detected by the thalamus which is referred as Dull Ache(Pain)

BUT no pain in the world relieved(as in Koran) or either minimized by discontinuing vein except in instances where some nerves runs in proximate to large vessels

 

[ela_eluwa120]

What you say is correct about the lower level of pain sensation detected by the thalamus which is referred as Dull Ache(Pain)

BUT no pain in the world relieved(as in Koran) or either minimized by discontinue vein except in instances where some nerves runs in proximate to large vessels

 

[ela_eluwa120]

I didn't talk about the Experiment simply because Experiment setup is not what exactly said in the Koran.

When conducting an experiment it is a necessity to consider all the possible aspects.

 

[amila_90210]

When conducting an experiment it is a necessity to consider all the possible aspects.

yes, as you said when experiment is biased no point of talking about the methodology
Being bias is proving hypothesis
Stranded experiment setup is to prove the null hypothesis, not the hypothesis :.

 

[ela_eluwa120]

yes, as you said when experiment is biased no point of talking about the methodology
Being bias is proving hypothesis
Stranded experiment setup is to prove the null hypothesis, not the hypothesis :.