My response to the "Child Molester" lie against our beloved Prophet, Muhammad PBUH

Wal Bada

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  • 1- Introduction.
    - Child brides as young as 8 were common, not exceptions, among the Byzantine emperors and nobility.

    2- My response to the "Child Molester" lie against Prophet Muhammad.
    - A picture of a 9-year old girl giving birth in Thailand.
    - 12-year old in Romania getting married.
    Murder does happen in Arab. So does it make murder correct?

    3- Was Aisha engaged to someone else before she got engaged to Muhammad?
    Children are not engaged for marriages. So the question is plain stupid

    6- More on Aisha's Marriage and its acceptance by the Arab culture back then.
    Killings and offerings to god were a norm in the Mayan civilization by then (they were one of teh great civilizations). So is it accepted now?

    Muti-god belief were with Hindus 4000 years back, and it was a norm by then. So according to your argument, Multi-God beleif is also acceptable


    But still, she is considered a child in our standards today!
    Child of 9 years by then is definietly less mature than a child aged 9 now. There's a phenomenon called secular trend, where age of menarche keeps dropping

    The average age at which the onset of puberty occurs has dropped significantly since the 1840s. Researchers refer to this drop as the 'secular trend'. In every decade from 1840 to 1950 there was a drop of four months in the average age of menarche among Western European females. In Norway, girls born in 1840 had their menarche at an average age of 17 years. In France the average in 1840 was 15.3 years. In England the average in 1840 was 16.5 years. In Japan the decline happened later and was then more rapid: from 1945 to 1975 in Japan there was a drop of 11 months per decade.
    Was Muhammad a pedophile?
    Child molester would be a better word. Pedophile is a serial child molester
    The life span 1400 years ago was short.
    But all prophets except Muhammed did not marry children. Buddha, Confusious, Mahavira lived 1200 years before Muhammed where the life span would have been still shorter.
    10- What about Mary, Jesus' Mother peace be upon both of them? How old was she when she got pregnant?
    11- Joseph, Mary's husband, was "90 years old" when he married 12 to 14-year old Mary! Was he too a pedophile?
    12- What about the Bible's Prophets' marriages?
    What is accpeted in Bible is accepted in Quran too? Or you use bible to show Quran is right? How poor effort is that?

    13- What about the X-Rated Pornography in the Bible?
    When was legal X rated films depicted child sex?

    14- Jesus never got married before. Therefore, Muhammad is not truthful? Jesus could've been genitally mutilated from his circumcision when he was a child.
    Or could Muhammed a victim of hyper-sexuality syndrome where he slept with many women?
    15- Conclusion.
    If Quran is suitable for past, present and future, all of its content should applicable in past, present and future. Quran fails miserably in this acid test, and fails more than Bible IMO. Child sex in the past does not make Child sex in the present correct. Muhammed, is a child molester
     

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    suraj1132

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    no time to read this novel but the specialty about this marriage between mohammad and ayesha is that this is ur religious leader!!!ur prophet!!the messanger of God!!! not an ordinary day to day man who will do what ever shit......he should be a lesson to the others don't you think????just because these things has happened quiet a few time in this world(which is considered wrong by everybody),,how on earth can u justify it when it's done by a religious leader "no matter for which reason it's done"?????

    anyway it's ok because muslims live on "faith" so they simply can't think of anything wrong in their leader and have to justify everything as "correct" otherwise they loose their faith....so keep ur good times...no harm....
     

    llrajitha

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    ok guys ,
    god makes the rules. he is god after all; isnt he?
    so if he says "Muhammad is not a child molester", thats it. he is not a child molester.
    who are we to question that divine ruling? who are we to defy the one and only god? t

    hank you siraj, for your post. i really appreciate your Ctrl+C , Ctrl+V skills. good work. nice job.

    by the way, lately i learnt that even in Sri Lanka, Muslims can become legal child molesters. yeah i mean it. "legal child molesters"
     

    ex-muslim Ahmed

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    Murder does happen in Arab. So does it make murder correct?

    Children are not engaged for marriages. So the question is plain stupid

    Killings and offerings to god were a norm in the Mayan civilization by then (they were one of teh great civilizations). So is it accepted now?

    Muti-god belief were with Hindus 4000 years back, and it was a norm by then. So according to your argument, Multi-God beleif is also acceptable


    Child of 9 years by then is definietly less mature than a child aged 9 now. There's a phenomenon called secular trend, where age of menarche keeps dropping


    Child molester would be a better word. Pedophile is a serial child molester
    But all prophets except Muhammed did not marry children. Buddha, Confusious, Mahavira lived 1200 years before Muhammed where the life span would have been still shorter.
    What is accpeted in Bible is accepted in Quran too? Or you use bible to show Quran is right? How poor effort is that?

    When was legal X rated films depicted child sex?

    Or could Muhammed a victim of hyper-sexuality syndrome where he slept with many women?
    If Quran is suitable for past, present and future, all of its content should applicable in past, present and future. Quran fails miserably in this acid test, and fails more than Bible IMO. Child sex in the past does not make Child sex in the present correct. Muhammed, is a child molester

    Hats off for the logical refutation of these stupid arguments.

    If God instructed Muhammed God should have prevented this sickening act of inhuman behavior. Just because people did something in an
    1. particular Area
    2. particular time
    3. because of particular beleif

    It does not justify anything. Gods instruction should suite all times, past, present , future.



    This shows GODs instruction changes from time to time.:lol: then it cannot be from GOD , it must be a lie concorted by Muhammed to satisfy his animalistic (Oh no even animals dont do this kind of sickenning acts) barbaric lust and cravings. This shows neither quran is from God nor Muhammed is a messenger of God.
    :rofl::rofl::rofl:
     

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    8- Was Muhammad a pedophile?
    The following is an email sent to me by brother Amir Abdul Rahim; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him.
    From: [email protected]
    To:
    [email protected]
    Subject: Was Muhammad a child molester?
    Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:37:17 +0000 (GMT)

    Assalamu Alaikum Wr Wb
    The discussion of Muhammad's marriage to Aisha has recently come up on a muslim message board, with the usual cries of 'Muhammad was a pedophile' coming from the usual anti-Islam lobby.
    In order to answer this filthy slander, I went to a police website detailing the traits of a pedophile, and this is what I came up with. It seems that, even by today's standards, Muhammad could not be considered a pedophile.
    Please feel free to use or edit this text in any way you like.
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    Okay, lets have a look at the psyche of a typical pedophile, and see how much of it fits Muhammad shall we? Quoted text is taken from Understanding the Pedophile Psyche, courtesy of the Police Federation of England & Wales:
    http://www.polfed.org/magazine/08_2001/80_2001_paedophile.htm
    "Low self esteem. Many pedophiles, although by no means all, do not have a great sense of capacity for adopting a sexual demeanor towards adults or those of their own age or older. They feel unhappy and fearful at the prospect of sexual behaviour with adults and hence turn to children due to the fact that they are unable to have the strength of personality to seek adults for sexual demeanor. When considering treatment therefore it is important to establish and develop a higher sense of self-esteem in such individuals."
    As well as being married to Aisha, he was also married to many other women during his life. He wasn't certainly suffering from low self-esteem. Therefore, this does not apply to Muhammad.
    "Lack of impulse control. Many pedophiles find it extremely difficult to deal with the impulsive nature which inclines them towards sexual behaviour to children. They simply cannot control their need for engaging children in sexual practices. They might be said to suffer from an obsessive-compulsive condition. Here again treatment would involve developing better impulse control and of course redirecting the sexual inclinations."
    As has been mentioned before, Muhammad waited for at least two years before consummating the marriage. Therefore, this point of 'lack of self control' does not apply to Muhammad. Also, fasting during Ramadan requires abstention from sexual relations. Why would Muhammad practise this if he had no self-control?
    "Denial. Many pedophiles deny there is anything wrong with having sexual relations with children and many will in due course paradoxically deny having carried out such practices should they be confronted. It is vital to change the attitudes of such individuals much as in the lack of empathy with their victim."
    Muhammad never once denied having sex with his wife. Also note the use of the term 'victim'. Aisha could not be described as a victim. Therefore, this does not apply to Muhammad.
    "History of previous pedophile activity. Many pedophiles have carried out minor or major acts of pedophile behaviour in the past and this has led to habit as well as the obsessive-compulsive nature of the act towards children. It is vital here to promote alternative habits i.e. in attitudes and demeanor of sexual behaviour with adults."
    Muhammad has no history of pedophile activity whatsoever. Also, as I pointed out, all of Muhammad's other wives were adult, and there is no evidence of him being obsessed with children. Therefore, this doesn't apply to Muhammad.
    "Poor family relationships - many pedophiles have come from families that are in chaos or are lacking in stability. This has led them to view sexual behaviour with children rather than adults as acceptable especially if this has been practised upon them by a member of the family in the past. Although it is difficult to reverse what has happened in the past through discussion or attitude changes it is vital that insight must be gained by the individual into how his/her pedophile activity originated and was developed through the family dynamics."
    Although he was orphaned at a young age, Muhammad was always very close to all his family members, and advocated that whosoever cuts the bond of kith and kin, he/she would be denied paradise. Therefore, this does not apply to Muhammad.
    "Low IQ - there are pedophiles who have low intelligence but by no means all are in this category. Where this is the case appropriate therapeutic efforts must be made to develop understanding of what they are doing wrong and what they must do to change."
    Despite being illiterate, Muhammad had a reputation for being a very bright young boy, an excellent trader, and an extremely wise man. Therefore, this point does not apply to Muhammad.
    "Loneliness, depression and relationship needs - this particular trait is associated with low self-esteem and lack of empathy with the victim. Many pedophiles are lonely individuals who live on their own and have found it difficult to establish relationships with adults, especially for sexual purposes. Some suffer from psychological problems and even psychotic illnesses. Here intensive treatment and monitoring is in order."
    Muhammad wasn't suffering from depression when he married Aisha. Also, low self-esteem, loneliness, and difficulty to establish relations could not be attributed to Muhammad.
    "Having been themselves sexually abused - many pedophiles have themselves been sexually abused in the past by adults. They merely imitate what they experienced and continue their activity considering it as appropriate since it was done to them."
    This certainly isn't true.
    I have demonstrated that, despite the fact Muhammad married a nine-year old girl, he could NOT be considered a pedophile.


    9- The life span 1400 years ago was short:
    The following is an email that was sent to me by sister Janet, who recently embraced Islam; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with her.
    From: [email protected]
    To:
    [email protected]
    Subject: Article on marriage of Aysha (saws) to prophet Muhammad (saws)
    Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 03:59:10 EST

    Assalamu alaikum brother Osama,
    Thank you for your informative article on the marriage of Aysha, peace be upon her, to prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. I don't think I'm yet finished with this article, as I clicked on a topic.
    Did you also research the average life span 1400 years ago in the Middle East? The gypsy, or romany people, of Indian descent who now for the most part occupy eastern Europe, arrange their children in marriage. They arrange the children @ the age of 9 to be engaged for 3 or 4 years before they are married. The only ground for divorce in their culture is failure to conceive a child within a year of marriage (what an irony-- largely illiterate people recognize the American Medical Association's definition of infertility and divorce, while 'educated' people in the west pursue various infertility 'treatments' for years w/o end). Also, compared to Europeans, the average life span of the Romany is around 45, compared with those life spans in the 60's and 70's, so when their children are married, their lives are about 1/3 over.
    Thanks again for this article, which I found looking up Aysha on a searchnet. I am a new Muslimah in the U.S., by the way.
    Allah hafiz,
    Sister Janet

    An addition by me, Osama Abdallah:
    Life 1400 years ago was very rough in the too hot desert. From my personal knowledge, the average life span back then was 50 years. People used to die from all kinds of diseases. Both parents of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him for instance, died natural deaths before he even knew them. His father, Abdallah bin Hashem, died while Amina bint Wahb (Amy in English as Mary for Mariam), Muhammad's mother was still pregnant with Muhammad. After she gave birth, she died when he was 2 years old (I believe). Muhammad was the only child of his parents.
    Muhammad was raised by his mother's female servant, Saadiyyah, and by his uncle (father's brother) Abu Talib, who later stood up for him and protected him when Muhammad declared to be Allah Almighty's Messenger at the age of 40.

    "I have studied him - the wonderful man and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Savior of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today." George Bernard Shaw, THE GENUINE ISLAM, Vol. 1, No. 81936.

    Before We Begin our "A to Z of Muhammad" - Let's See What 12 Famous People Have Said About Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) Throughout the Centuries...

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    His complete biography has been authenticated and circulated amongst scholars around the world starting while he was still alive and continuing up until today. One of the first examples we quote from is from the Encyclopedia Britannica, as it confirms:

    (Regarding Muhammad) "... a mass of detail in the early sources shows that he was an honest and upright man who had gained the respect and loyalty of others who were likewise honest and upright men."

    [Vol. 12]



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    Another impressive tribute to Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him is in the very well written work of Michael H. Hart, "The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History." He states that the most influential person in all history was Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, with Jesus second. Examine his actual words:

    "My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular level."


    [Michael H. Hart, THE 100: A RANKING OF THE MOST INFLUENTIAL PERSONS IN HISTORY, New York: Hart Publishing Company, Inc., 1978, page. 33.]



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    According to the Quran, Prophet Muhammad was the most excellent example for all of humanity. Even non-Muslim historians recognize him to be one of the most successful personalities in history. Read what the Reverend R. Bosworth-Smith wrote in "Mohammed & Mohammedanism" in 1946:

    "Head of the state as well as the Church, he was Caesar and Pope in one; but, he was pope without the pope's claims, and Caesar without the legions of Caesar, without a standing army, without a bodyguard, without a palace, without a fixed revenue. If ever any man had the right to say that he ruled by a Right Divine, it was Mohammad, for he had all the power without instruments and without its support. He cared not for dressing of power. The simplicity of his private life was in keeping with his public life."



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    While we are reviewing statements from famous non-Muslims about Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, consider this:

    "Philosopher, orator, apostle, legislator, warrior, conqueror of ideas, restorer of rational dogmas, of a cult without images; the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammad. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he?"


    [Lamartine, HISTOIRE DE LA TURQUIE, Paris, 1854, Vol. II, pp. 276-277.]



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    And then we read what George Bernard Shaw, a famous writer and non-Muslim says:

    "He must be called the Savior of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it much needed peace and happiness."


    [The Genuine Islam, Singapore, Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936]



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    Then we found that K. S. Ramakrishna Rao, an Indian (Hindu) professor of Philosophy, in his booklet "Muhammad the Prophet of Islam" calls him the "perfect model for human life." Professor Ramakrishna Rao explains his point by saying:

    "The personality of Muhammad, it is most difficult to get into the whole truth of it. Only a glimpse of it I can catch. What a dramatic succession of picturesque scenes. There is Muhammad the Prophet. There is Muhammad the Warrior; Muhammad the Businessman; Muhammad the Statesman; Muhammad the Orator; Muhammad the Reformer; Muhammad the Refuge of Orphans; Muhammad the Protector of Slaves; Muhammad the Emancipator of Women; Muhammad the Judge; Muhammad the Saint. All in all these magnificent roles, in all these departments of human activities, he is alike a hero."



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    What should we think about our prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, when someone with the worldly status such as Mahatma Gandhi, speaking on the character of Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, says in 'Young India':

    "I wanted to know the best of one who holds today undisputed sway over the hearts of millions of mankind... I became more than convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet, the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission. These and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every obstacle. When I closed the 2nd volume (of the Prophet's biography), I was sorry there was not more for me to read of the great life."



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    English author Thomas Carlyle in his 'Heroes and Hero Worship', was simply amazed:

    "How one man single handedly, could weld warring tribes and wandering Bedouins into a most powerful and civilized nation in less than two decades."



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    And Diwan Chand Sharma wrote in "The Prophets of the East":

    "Muhammad was the soul of kindness, and his influence was felt and never forgotten by those around him"


    [D.C. Sharma, The Prophets of the East, Calcutta, 1935, pp. 12]




    Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, was nothing more or less than a human being, but he was a man with a noble mission, which was to unite humanity on the worship of ONE and ONLY ONE GOD and to teach them the way to honest and upright living based on the commands of God. He always described himself as, 'A Servant and Messenger of God' and so indeed every action of his proclaimed to be.



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    Speaking on the aspect of equality before God in Islam, the famous poetess of India, Sarojini Naidu says:

    "It was the first religion that preached and practiced democracy; for, in the mosque, when the call for prayer is sounded and worshippers are gathered together, the democracy of Islam is embodied five times a day when the peasant and king kneel side by side and proclaim: 'God Alone is Great'... I have been struck over and over again by this indivisible unity of Islam that makes man instinctively a brother."


    [S. Naidu, Ideals of Islam, vide Speeches & Writings, Madras, 1918, p. 169]




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    In the words of Professor Hurgronje:

    "The league of nations founded by the prophet of Islam put the principle of international unity and human brotherhood on such universal foundations as to show candle to other nations." He continues, "the fact is that no nation of the world can show a parallel to what Islam has done towards the realization of the idea of the League of Nations."


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    Edward Gibbon and Simon Ockley, on the profession of ISLAM, writes in "History of the Saracen Empires":

    "I BELIEVE IN ONE GOD, AND MAHOMET, AN APOSTLE OF GOD' is the simple and invariable profession of Islam. The intellectual image of the Deity has never been degraded by any visible idol; the honor of the Prophet have never transgressed the measure of human virtues; and his living precepts have restrained the gratitude of his disciples within the bounds of reason and religion."


    [History of the Saracen Empires, London, 1870, p. 54]




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    EWolfgang Goethe, perhaps the greatest European poet ever, wrote about Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him. He said:

    "He is a prophet and not a poet and therefore his Koran is to be seen as Divine Law and not as a book of a human being, made for education or entertainment."


    [Noten und Abhandlungen zum Weststlichen Dvan, WA I, 7, 32]



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    THis is the best answer

     

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    Siraj, For once, can you think on your own and find answers? Surely, if you read all those articles you have copy-pasted over the past month, you should be filled to the brim with knowledge.

    Let's assume the average life span was 45 years back then. But have their children started walking when they are 6 months? Did they start formal education when the kids are 2 1/2 years? Or did their pregnancies last just 5 months??
     
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    Siraj, For once, can you think on your own and find answers? Surely, if you read all those articles you have copy-pasted over the past month, you should be filled to the brim with knowledge.

    Let's assume the average life span was 45 years back then. But have their children started walking when they are 6 months? Did they start formal education when the kids are 2 1/2 years? Or did their pregnancies last just 5 months??

    දෙවියන් සර්වබලධාරී නම් දෙවියන් මවන දේවල් අස්ථිර වෙන්න බෑ.බලන්න මේ දෙය්යගේ වැඩ. ඒ කාලේ අවුරුදු 9ක කෙල්ලෙක්ව නාකියෙක්ට බන්දල දුන්නා. අද කියනවා සමාජය වෙනස් වෙලාලු. මේවා තමන්ගේ ආගමේ නිරුවත පහත්කම වහගන්න කරන ගොං ප්‍රකාශ. ඒ වගේම ඒ කරපු ජඩ වැඩේ සාධාරණීකරනය කරන්න ලෝකෙවටෙන්ම අහඹු ලෙස කලින් වැඩිවිය පත්වෙච්ච අය ගැන ප්‍රවුර්ති දානවා. වැරදි වහගන්න තව බොරු 100ක් කිව්වත් ලමා අපචාරය ලමා අපචාරයම තමයි. වතිකානුවත් ඉර වටේ පෘථිවිය යනවා කියලා 1992දි පිලිගත්තා. කොන්දක් තියෙනව නම් මුනුත් මුන්ගේ ආගමේ තියෙන පහත් දේවල් අයින් කරලා වෙනස් වෙන්නඕන. වෙලා තියෙන්නේ මුන්ට කොන්ද මෙන්ම මොලයත් නැති එකනේ
     
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    ex-muslim Ahmed

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    "It was the first religion that preached and practiced democracy; for, in the mosque, when the call for prayer is sounded and worshippers are gathered together, the democracy of Islam is embodied five times a day when the peasant and king kneel side by side and proclaim: 'God Alone is Great'... I have been struck over and over again by this indivisible unity of Islam that makes man instinctively a brother."


    [S. Naidu, Ideals of Islam, vide Speeches & Writings, Madras, 1918, p. 169]
    Yeah right! democracy eh...Now bring in all sorts of bullshit to coverup the sick behavior of muhammed..pathetic..this religion is a death cult. thats how it unite people-by fear! by threats! if you leave you are dead.

    See for your self How peaceful and democratic Islam is... this is islamic followers following muhammed who behead 900 innocent men woman and children ...

    http://vodpod.com/watch/2485158--18-5-beheadings-in-front-of-mass-audience-taliban

    :frown::frown::frown:
     

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    Yeah right! democracy eh...Now bring in all sorts of bullshit to coverup the sick behavior of muhammed..pathetic..this religion is a death cult. thats how it unite people-by fear! by threats! if you leave you are dead.

    See for your self How peaceful and democratic Islam is... this is islamic followers following muhammed who behead 900 innocent men woman and children ...

    http://vodpod.com/watch/2485158--18-5-beheadings-in-front-of-mass-audience-taliban

    :frown::frown::frown:

    Oh thats not Halal man it should be Halal too :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: