If God created ALL, what created God?

[sudunone]

Subhanahu wa ta'ala

meaning-glorious and exalted is He

Why do these descriptions appear within brackets always? (pbuh), mage yaluwange islam pothwala sinhalen thibune muhammad nabi (sal) thuma kiyala.

 

[ela_eluwa120]

Why do these descriptions appear within brackets always? (pbuh), mage yaluwange islam pothwala sinhalen thibune muhammad nabi (sal) thuma kiyala.

සිංහලෙන් ලියනකොට "එතුමාට ක්ෂාන්තිය හා සාමය අත්වේවා" කියලා තමයි අපේ අන්වර් අයියා නං ලියන්නේ..ඉහි ඉහි...

 

[sudunone]

When speaking of punishments i found these...

A fire has been prepared for the disbelievers, whose fuel is men and stones. 2:24

Disbelievers will be burned with fire. 2:39, 90

"Guard yourselves against a day when no soul will in aught avail another, nor will intercession be accepted from it, nor will compensation be received from it, nor will they be helped."
(There will come a day when Allah will refuse all prayers and help no one.) 2:48

If you believe in only part of the Scripture, you will suffer in this life and go to hell in the next.(Cristians Huh....) 2:85

Allah is severe punishment! 2:165-6

Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2


War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 2:216

Those who marry unbelievers will burn in the Fire. 2:221


Disbelievers do not harm Allah, but will have a painful doom. 3:177

Allah has destroyed many generations. 19:98

Slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush.--9:5

Elakiri eken Sadakalika apayata gos dawena aya.....!
Ela_eluwa120
Smallvilleclerk50
Ex-muslim Ahmed
IcedEarth
Dilankandy
Sudunone
Suraj1132

So, is Allah doing all this? Then what is left for Satan to do? Or, is there no Satan in Islam? Does the god have two personalities?

 

[sudunone]

සිංහලෙන් ලියනකොට "එතුමාට ක්ෂාන්තිය හා සාමය අත්වේවා" කියලා තමයි අපේ අන්වර් අයියා නං ලියන්නේ..ඉහි ඉහි...

eyata kiyanna 11 panthiye islam potha aran balanna kiyala. muhammad nabi (sal) thuma kiyala thiyenne.

 

[ela_eluwa120]

When speaking of punishments i found these...

A fire has been prepared for the disbelievers, whose fuel is men and stones. 2:24

Disbelievers will be burned with fire. 2:39, 90

"Guard yourselves against a day when no soul will in aught avail another, nor will intercession be accepted from it, nor will compensation be received from it, nor will they be helped."
(There will come a day when Allah will refuse all prayers and help no one.) 2:48

If you believe in only part of the Scripture, you will suffer in this life and go to hell in the next.(Cristians Huh....) 2:85

Allah is severe punishment! 2:165-6

Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2


War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 2:216

Those who marry unbelievers will burn in the Fire. 2:221


Disbelievers do not harm Allah, but will have a painful doom. 3:177

Allah has destroyed many generations. 19:98

Slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush.--9:5

Elakiri eken Sadakalika apayata gos dawena aya.....!
Ela_eluwa120
Smallvilleclerk50
Ex-muslim Ahmed
IcedEarth
Dilankandy
Sudunone
Suraj1132

and God is most merciful...

 

[ela_eluwa120]

eyata kiyanna 11 panthiye islam potha aran balanna kiyala. muhammad nabi (sal) thuma kiyala thiyenne.

නබි කියන්නේ ප්‍රොපට් කියන එක, සල් කියන්නේ මැසෙන්ජර් කියන එක...

 

[sudunone]

සිංහලෙන් ලියනකොට "එතුමාට ක්ෂාන්තිය හා සාමය අත්වේවා" කියලා තමයි අපේ අන්වර් අයියා නං ලියන්නේ..ඉහි ඉහි...

එහෙම කියන එක වැරදියි නේද? මොකද, එහෙම වේවා කියලා පතන එකෙන් ගම්‍ය වෙන්නෙ, එයා ළඟ දැනට ඒ දේවල් නෑ කියන එක.

 

[ela_eluwa120]

එහෙම කියන එක වැරදියි නේද? මොකද, එහෙම වේවා කියලා පතන එකෙන් ගම්‍ය වෙන්නෙ, එයා ළඟ දැනට ඒ දේවල් නෑ කියන එක.

තියනවානං ඉතිං මිනිස්සු 10,000ක් හිස ගසා දාන්න නියෝග දේවි යෑ...

 

[hafizsaad]

According to your belief, hafissad, humans haven't born before this life; correct? So, any 'past actions' referred are limited to this life.How do you explain one child being born with a serious heart disease while another is born healthy? What has this child done wrong? If the child is 'punished' for what some other human has done, how does your God select which child to punish among many?

Brother sorry for Big detail, i think the topic require this.
Brother any person will comment like this if he has no knowledge and concept of Islamic Theology.In response to the question, “If God exists why is there evil in the world?” I would respond by saying there is no problem of evil at all. Things undesirable to humans (not necessarily evil) do exist or occur in the world, but that is not contradictory to God existing or God’s power or attributes. This is easy to understand when we keep in mind four issues:

1. God’s attributes
2. The Insignificance of this world and the primacy of the eternal Hereafter
3. God’s Purpose for creating this world as a test.
4. God’s Wisdom and our limited knowledge
For Detail of Every Point see

Brother Goodness would not be possible without the resistance of evil. The evil in the world is meant to be overcome. Whoever asks why must there be evil when God can remove it is missing the point. without evil there could be no moral or spiritual development.if there is no evil then there is no need for examination.
if there was no night; we would never appreciate the light of day. if there was no poverty; we would never appreciate the riches Allah has given us. if there was no illness; we would never be grateful for the health that Allah has given us. see William Blake beautiful poem The Human Abstract
Allah created this world with lot of diversity to make it a test for us, some will pass and some will fail. without such diversity it will be a vapid world and there will be no reason to test humans.he test who will remain righteous in that evil or worst situation .
i suggest that those who question the existence of Allah using this argument must consider the whole case. if Allah has created someone terminally ill; then they must also agree that He remains the all-merciful due to His treatment of the ill in the hereafter. if Allah had created the ill and had then made them ressponsible too; then one could have questioned islamic belief but when the bigger picture is looked at; we learn that there is no being more merciful and compassionate than Allah.
i hope this will clear otherwise without seeking the actual idea one can ask any question like below:
- why do you exist?

- why do you need a bumpy face? why can't it be just flat and square with nice round holes on one side neatly lined on one edge? [think of a flat screen]

- why do you need to breathe? is it not an impediment for you to go underwater? is it not zulm that a fish can live underwater, and you cannot?

- why can't children grow on trees? instead of the labor and pain? and nine months wait...

and here is a loaded question:
why do you die? why should you not live forever? and why should you suffer? why should you not live a life without sickness or pain? why can't there be a world without sin?

Everyone is going to taste death, and We shall make a trial of you with evil and with good, and to Us you will be returned. Quran (21,35)

I don't understand the relationship between the two sentences in the second para.

which sentenses

How can you infer that at the very beginning a supernatural power was involved? It could well be natural processes. If you leave some food around for a few days, fungi will grow in it. It is a natural process. In other words, we have no proof of involvement of any supernatural process.

Brother i think this Complex Concept discussed here many time, simply in any spare time we can thought about the creator of nature, the very first sell and soul creator...the controler of this complex universe with accuracy, the infinite universe etc.
we muslim dont think and says with our own Philosophy and to convince other to our self God but we are warned and aware by Our Allah through his Prophets and we have the Book of God words, which accurately describes all this. The Quran..

Exactly! We have to think broadly for wisdom and understanding. I'm glad we can agree on this one point, at least.

 

[hafizsaad]

When speaking of punishments i found these...

A fire has been prepared for the disbelievers, whose fuel is men and stones. 2:24


(There will come a day when Allah will refuse all prayers and help no one.) 2:48

If you believe in only part of the Scripture, you will suffer in this life and go to hell in the next.(Cristians Huh....) 2:85



War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 2:216


Those who marry unbelievers will burn in the Fire. 2:221


Disbelievers do not harm Allah, but will have a painful doom. 3:177

there are no such description of verses in the Quran that are mentioned above.
Other which match, are posted totally out of context

Ela_eluwa120
Smallvilleclerk50
Ex-muslim Ahmed
IcedEarth
Dilankandy
Sudunone
Suraj1132

are these the member of atheist committe who have contribute to post fake verses.

 

[dilankandy]

So, is Allah doing all this? Then what is left for Satan to do? Or, is there no Satan in Islam? Does the god have two personalities?

(BDW in Islam he is Shaitan not Satan. Satan is in Christian Hell)

 

[ela_eluwa120]

there are no such description of verses in the Quran that are mentioned above.
Other which match, are posted totally out of context

yes! all of these verses are copied from a racist Jewish website, and they are out of context and fake.

 

[ela_eluwa120]

are these the member of atheist committe who have contribute to post fake verses.

No matter what their community is, what ever they do is the will of God.

So (it will be). Allah doeth what He will. (3-40)

 

[dilankandy]

there are no such description of verses in the Quran that are mentioned above.
Other which match, are posted totally out of context




are these the member of atheist committe who have contribute to post fake verses.

Any one can check the the truthfulness of these phrases....
Neither listen to what i say or hafizaad says. Just Check for your self..


By the way I take full responsibility for MY OWN POSTS. No one else should be beheaded upon my posts...
(By the way Hafizaad Can't you read sinhala? I have clearly posted the meaning of why i posted those names in there....)

 

[ela_eluwa120]

(By the way Hafizaad Can't you read sinhala? I have clearly posted the meaning of why i posted those names in there....)

He can't bro
He is from Pakistan.

 

[dilankandy]

He can't bro
He is from Pakistan.

Then what the hell is he doing in a foreign forum... (Well i don't post in foreign forums...) Are Muslims in sri lanka not qualified to answer these threads?
I'm not not insulting anyone bros, Just curios. BDW its nice to debate with a foreigner... I thought my English is hard to understand for foreigners...

 

[ela_eluwa120]

Then what the hell is he doing in a foreign forum... (Well i don't post in foreign forums...) Are Muslims in sri lanka not qualified to answer these threads?
I'm not not insulting anyone bros, Just curios. BDW its nice to debate with a foreigner... I thought my English is hard to understand for foreigners...

බිලිබාගන්න..එයාගේ ආගමට අනිත් අය බිලිබාගන්න..

 

[dilankandy]

I would respond by saying there is no problem of evil at all.
......that is not contradictory to God existing or God’s power or attributes.


God’s Purpose for creating this world as a test.

God’s Wisdom and our limited knowledge

without evil there could be no moral or spiritual development


Goodness would not be possible without the resistance of evil.
The evil in the world is meant to be overcome.

Ok Hafizaad bro, First i must say Evil may not be a problem to you but it is a great problem to whole world. As i have come to known that you are a Pakistani evil is a much more problem to your region. Thousand of people are dying and thousands are suffering but its not a problem to you....

You said that god created this world as a test. Why an almighty and all-known god would do tests if he knows everything??. that certainly question the gods wisdom..If he is the creator of every man then he must know what his creation would do after the creation is completed. If god knows that his creations are going to be disbelievers why would he create them in the first place?? Well you may say that he knows that they are going to be disbelievers. So he just creates them to burn in hell??? Nice theory Hafiza... I don't buy food which i don't eat. Do you?

You say goodness would not be possible without the evil. So to exist your god (to claim that he is good or devine) there must be an evil & evil god or devil or Shaitan what ever you call him should exist too. Then who created him &/or evil? Are they self created? NAY If God created everything the evil or demon or what ever in this world is also created by him. How nice of your god. He create evil first just to make good. nice theory machan.
Then If you say your god is good and heavenly Then you indirectly say your god is evil and Hell.
When you say I praise allah you indirectly say i Praise all evil.
When you say GOD You Say Shaitan... (Dont take this the wrong way. or as an insult. this is what logic proves)

Whoever asks why must there be evil when God can remove it is missing the point.

Do i now?

if there was no night; we would never appreciate the light of day.

These are what we call seeni bola Logic... If there wasnt night we wouldn't be worried of darkness. Just because god wants to praise good he creates evil. cant you think that if there wasnt any evil in this world it would simply make this world such a nice place people would live Happy as global family and it will be the true praising to your SO CALLED ALMIGHTY GOD... If your god created evil to just hear complements about him for giving good & protecting from very evil which created by him Then you must understand that he is some one who likes to hear compliments about him all time , someone who wants to be a hero all time.( Have you watched Constantine movie? There is a dialog where an extremist comments about god " God is a kid with a magnifying glass who stands over an ant hill. The world is the ant hill and we are the ants." (That was a cristian movie. but your posts suggest me that your god is no different)

i'm not going to comment anymore...

The Insignificance of this world and the primacy of the eternal Hereafter
if there was no poverty, we would never appreciate the riches Allah has given us. if there was no illness; we would never be grateful for the health that Allah has given us.

Allah created this world with lot of diversity to make it a test for us, some will pass and some will fail. without such diversity it will be a vapid world and there will be no reason to test humans.he test who will remain righteous in that evil or worst situation.

OK bro let me ask something. you say that if we dont have differences between property, health , wealth, or knowledge how can allah be praised?
Nice question.
Then imagine that you died and then you go to ETERNAL HEAVEN. in Heaven Will there be problems? According to my knowledge NO. In heaven you will have everything you need (thats why its heaven Duh..). So in heaven No one must be praising Allah because there are no problems in heaven. Your logic rebounds at you. And you would say that in heaven everybody already know the existence of god so he is praised. I ask you why cant god do it now. He can make every one equal on this very earth and inform his existence by doing so... Then everyone on this earth praises him rather than disbelieving (or making fun of him like Ex- does).
No I dont want what Quran says just give me a logical answer...

If Allah has created someone terminally ill; then they must also agree that He remains the all-merciful due to His treatment of the ill in the hereafter. if Allah had created the ill and had then made them responsible too; then one could have questioned islamic belief but when the bigger picture is looked at; we learn that there is no being more merciful and compassionate than Allah.

Am i the only one who sees the funny part in here? Very NON-BIAS and RATIONAL....! No comments here. answer is given above...

 

[kilash]

ai ban dhapu ewama danne...?

 

[dilankandy]

ai ban dhapu ewama danne...?