Muslims Are Not Terrorists!you all must read

[navodwickra]

After reading Dr.Zakir Naik's reply, I realize that you cannot understand the logic there. Yes, Hafizsaad, the absolute correct behaviour is not to kill anybody, not even your enemy or the one who tries to kill you. Meithree, or Loving kindness, is to be directed to one's enemy as well. Anyone who kills is accumulates bad kamma and will have to suffer accordingly.
That is how a person who has developed spiritually would act, and advice.

Politics is different. While spiritual development aims towards shedding all desires, politics is all about clinging to your desires; it's about things 'mine' and 'theirs'.

Jesus said that if someone hit you on the cheek, then turn the other cheek. Not to hit that person. But how many pple do really follow that

 

[dilankandy]

Mr.Sudonone,
If your Wife or sister is being raped by a molester infront of you, will u be able to stop that with your spritual way???
I hope the way that you r talking is much out dated buddy!!

Pls dont show your lack of knowledge in Buddhism. I thought you had SOME knowledge. Now i can see you have none...

 

[sudunone]

Mr.Sudonone,

Im sorry I cant bring allah here & explain to u , only I can show u example, example is example but it never meant Mahinda equal to God.I am not such crazy!!
If ur buddhist scriptures way is correct,why u didnt choose to eliminate LTTE much years back. good time you didn't choose that way, otherwise i hope SL will be ruled by LTTE by now and u & my self will not b alive.
If your Wife or sister is being raped by a molester infront of you, will u be able to stop that with your spritual way???
I hope the way that you r talking is much out dated buddy!!

The Buddhist teaching, Mr. I Love SriLanka, is, that a wrong action is wrong, despite the doer or the context. Therefore, murder is murder even if it's done by the 'believer' in the name of the God; Child molest is child molest even if it's done by the Prophet. Whoever does a wrong action, gets the result of his action. If he has done some good actions, then he gets good results for these.

Spiritual development leads to ending of all suffering. Experience of rape, captivity, torture, murder and other forms of sufferings can be permanently eliminated through the path shown by Buddha.

A war could give a temporary solution to a problem; killing a rapist can give a solution to a single event. Have we eliminated the problems of terrorism and extremists despite having so many wars over the last few thousand years? Have we eliminated sexual harassment, murder, theft, illegal drugs etc. through severe punishment, even killing the culprits as practiced in Arabian countries? They may bring a short term solution to a single incidence but stops at that.

Regarding your statement about Mahinda and Allah- so, buddy, you do understand there is a difference between the average person and a religious leader/holy person. Mahinda, being an average person, can kill, steal, have illegal sexual relationships, but a God or a Prophet?? We expect some holy behaviour, specially from someone described as "Most merciful ; Most kind; Forgiving".

 

[sudunone]

Jesus said that if someone hit you on the cheek, then turn the other cheek. Not to hit that person. But how many pple do really follow that

My point, exactly. That's what a 'Holy' person would teach his followers: to be good even if it endangers one's life; that hatred is not the answer to hatred. The lay followers may not follow it 100% of the time, but the teaching is that which leads to spiritual development. And the Holy person would lead a life worthy of worship.

 

[I love Srilanka]

The Buddhist teaching, Mr. I Love SriLanka, is, that a wrong action is wrong, despite the doer or the context. Therefore, murder is murder even if it's done by the 'believer' in the name of the God; Child molest is child molest even if it's done by the Prophet. Whoever does a wrong action, gets the result of his action. If he has done some good actions, then he gets good results for these.

Spiritual development leads to ending of all suffering. Experience of rape, captivity, torture, murder and other forms of sufferings can be permanently eliminated through the path shown by Buddha.

A war could give a temporary solution to a problem; killing a rapist can give a solution to a single event. Have we eliminated the problems of terrorism and extremists despite having so many wars over the last few thousand years? Have we eliminated sexual harassment, murder, theft, illegal drugs etc. through severe punishment, even killing the culprits as practiced in Arabian countries? They may bring a short term solution to a single incidence but stops at that.

Regarding your statement about Mahinda and Allah- so, buddy, you do understand there is a difference between the average person and a religious leader/holy person. Mahinda, being an average person, can kill, steal, have illegal sexual relationships, but a God or a Prophet?? We expect some holy behaviour, specially from someone described as "Most merciful ; Most kind; Forgiving".

Mr.Sudunone,
dont misunderstand me always, we talked about spiritual and effectiveness of that, your text gives a idea as if Islam promotes wrong doing, I feel Islam treat more than Buddhism with regard to wrong is wrong. as u know, it gives more importance to crimes &impose the high punishment compared to any other religion in the world.i.e Theft- chopping the hands, death,rape-death penalty. for wat this rules are there in Islam.to reduce the wrong doing or crime. and moreover u may say islam is barbaric as regards to its punishment. but not so, before all this, Islam gives a criteria for all muslim which should b abided by all of us.such as give charity(zakath), 5times daily prayer.even after all this, if a person do theft or any other crime only, he will be punished. so in Islam wrong action will lead to big punishments.
see practically when a person get charity, it is less probable that he will steal something.but i feel your spritual development only in words, it is not practical. reducing crime in arabic country it is not really short term solution, when someone is punished immediately other one will avoid the same crime fearing the punishments, unlike srilanka, in our country culprits are given less punishments so there are no chance of reduction in the crime.
u understand islam apart from teaching the good things, it talks about how to achieve that.
of course I know politics is different from religion, not necessary for reiteration.

 

[I love Srilanka]

My point, exactly. That's what a 'Holy' person would teach his followers: to be good even if it endangers one's life; that hatred is not the answer to hatred. The lay followers may not follow it 100% of the time, but the teaching is that which leads to spiritual development. And the Holy person would lead a life worthy of worship.

See tht time If allah would have not ordered Muslims to fight against false hood and win the wars , now we wouldn't have been there. Muslims never gone to fight unnecesarily but only as last resort.
what Jesus (pbuh) did may be right at that time, I feel if he is alive by this time i don't think he will say the same specially in this hitech arms culture.

 

[amila_90210]

http://www.elakiri.com/forum/showthread.php?t=509503
what your thought?

 

[dilankandy]

it gives .... the high punishment compared to any other religion in the world.....
Theft- chopping the hands, death,rape-death penalty....
So in Islam wrong action will lead to big punishments......
When someone is punished immediately other one will avoid the same crime fearing the punishments......

Is this a religion of peace or religion of fear...? Why do Muslims need tight laws to rule them? Are they so unlawful compared to other people? Why do Islam fill people with fear? Do you think that it is a good way to rule people as they rule their muslim world by fear. You have to Accept it. Muslims are afraid of their religion. Mr. I Love Srilanka proved it here.

Thats why im proud to be a BUDDHIST!! It is the only true to the word peaceful religion. Buddhism doesnt say love every one while saying kill someone or even animals. nor Contradict any where. It Does not speak of an unseen god. It gives the correct answer for your life. It shows the true nature of world. It does not tell you to seek help from an Almighty god which does not exist. It teach you to find truth from your self. It teach us the way to end this suffering... It teach us to live without fear.....

PS-You forgot one thing my friend... Death Penalty to non-believers...!! (Go ahead, call me a racist...)

 

[dilankandy]

See tht time If allah would have not ordered Muslims to fight against false hood and win the wars , now we wouldn't have been there. Muslims never gone to fight unnecesarily but only as last resort.
what Jesus (pbuh) did may be right at that time, I feel if he is alive by this time i don't think he will say the same specially in this hitech arms culture.

Brother let me educate you of something....
Buddhism lasted for 2600 years without even spilling a single drop of blood... How do you explain that...

 

[hafizsaad]

Brother let me educate you of something....
Buddhism lasted for 2600 years without even spilling a single drop of blood... How do you explain that...

Simple budhism has no relation to politics, army.it limit to yours.therefore no spilling of blood. If you are opposite to my this comment, then what happen in tamil war ?

 

[ela_eluwa120]

Simple budhism has no relation to politics, army.it limit to yours.therefore no spilling of blood. If you are opposite to my this comment, then what happen in tamil war ?

Buddhism has nothing to do with the Tamil war. Its not a religious one. Don't drag Buddhism into these political wars.

 

[KHz]

අටුලයා ගොනා කියලා මරන්නය..පිටිහම අයින් කල්ලා එක්ස්-බුඩිස්ට් අටුල කියලා හංවඩු ගහලා මැද කොළඹ බෝර්ඩිමකට ගාල් කරන්න ඕන

අනිත්‍ය

 

[hafizsaad]

Buddhism has nothing to do with the Tamil war. Its not a religious one. Don't drag Buddhism into these political wars.

so my first comments are riight that budhism has no relation with the politics, army and society practical life....it is limited to some monks and other peoples life non practical parts (no offensive).
a religion will be blame for blood if it has the relation with war, society problem..
if islam relates to fight, war etc. it is a practical religion. it has given divine solution to all part of human practical life, from war to peace. from personal life to society life, politics etc.there is no separation in religion and politics in islam. there is clear guidance for all aspect of life.

 

[ela_eluwa120]

so my first comments are riight that budhism has no relation with the politics, army and society practical life....it is limited to some monks and other peoples life non practical parts (no offensive).
a religion will be blame for blood if it has the relation with war, society problem..
if islam relates to fight, war etc. it is a practical religion. it has given divine solution to all part of human practical life, from war to peace. from personal life to society life, war, politics etc.there is no separation in religion and politics in islam. there is clear guidance for all aspect of life.

Yes the first part of your comment stated that Buddhism has no relation with politics, and in the same comment you subsequently inquire about the tamil war, contradicting yourself as usual.

Nonetheless, having no relation with politics doesn't imply that Buddhism is incapable of solving social problems. The truth is that all the problems are results of the desire and the perception of "me" and Buddhism clearly describes the way to eliminate the desire and the perception of "me".

You are telling that Islam gives a solution from war to peace, and at the same time you are telling that Allah is the creator of everything thus "everything" includes war. And if Allah recognize war as a problem he could have not create war and anger in people's minds at the first place. He could have created only peace so there is no need to fight at all. You may now say that you Allah needed to text us whether we are doing the correct thing, and that statement means that he needs to text because he is not sure about his creation. Plus, you would say that certain quranic verses containing violence are out of context, and that means those verses are only valid to the mentioned context and not valid now.

 

[KHz]

e dawase tamai me lokaye karapu hoda ha naraka dewal wala preti pala lebena dawasa me lokaye naraka karapu kattiyata hell eka hoda karapu kattiyata heaven eka

disbelivers ALLAH wa reject karapu kattiyata hell eka Allah knows best!

අයියෝ මාත් අපායෙනෙ මටත් අර දේවතාවන්ගෙ මිටි පාර කාලා ඔලුව දෙකට පළාගන්න වෙයිද අර ගෝනුස්සො ඔළු නමයෙ සර්පයි මාව හපයිද ??
එතකොට කොච්චර හොද වැඩ කළත් වැඩක් නෑ ඉස්ලාම් නෙමෙයි නම් අපායට ටිකට් එකක් ශුවර්
හැබැයි ඒත් එතුකුට ලෝකෙන් 77% ක්ම අපායෙනෙ ...අපායට ඔච්චර කැපෑසිටියක් තියෙනවද හැබෑටම

 

[BarakOsama]

My name is BarakOsama
& I'm not a terrrorist.

 

[hafizsaad]

Yes the first part of your comment stated that Buddhism has no relation with politics, and in the same comment you subsequently inquire about the tamil war, contradicting yourself as usual.

what i posted are two statements and question. in which you verified that the first one is true. where is contradiction.

Nonetheless, having no relation with politics doesn't imply that Buddhism is incapable of solving social problems. The truth is that all the problems are results of the desire and the perception of "me" and Buddhism clearly describes the way to eliminate the desire and the perception of "me".

what a non-sense, actually you are contradicting here. i was said rightly that your religion has no practical solution for general man of society but for some monks and people who have no concern with society and daily business.

You are telling that Islam gives a solution from war to peace, and at the same time you are telling that Allah is the creator of everything thus "everything" includes war.
And if Allah recognize war as a problem he could have not create war and anger in people's minds at the first place. He could have created only peace so there is no need to fight at all.
You may now say that you Allah needed to text us whether we are doing the correct thing, and that statement means that he needs to text because he is not sure about his creation.
Plus, you would say that certain quranic verses containing violence are out of context, and that means those verses are only valid to the mentioned context and not valid now.

a big non sense, childish talk, may be for diversion from budhist topic.
handrad of time we have answered for this.
you are mixing and confusing the subject with false logic.
See some clear statements.
human and life is created by Allah.
Allah has clear both right and Wrong, light and darkness, Good and bad.
clearly advise what will happen when you will select good or bad and how you will achieve Good and forbide yourself from bad.Mean all rules and regulation of life revealed through his prophets.
Now Give and awarded the human being free will, No boundness, no restriction, he has to decide (you know this as you are also free in your life)
Now

The person who select Good will be awarded, who select bad will be punished.
its so simple , why you confuse yourself.

for your comment that if he is the creator than why he has not stop war and prevail peace. Brother Allah can do. he can restrict all the person to do good but he has free the people in their selection.
what about quran verses, Each quran verses has some background and context in which it revealed to prophet and that backgroud is save in our books. Now person read that verse without seeing the actual situation in which that verse revealed, they become confuse.
i think, seeing context and background of any things or event is not a new concept or idea, we use it in our daily life.

 

[KHz]

The person who select Good will be awarded, who select bad will be punished.
its so simple , why you confuse yourself.

what happens if he/she is a non muslim ?? Allah will send him to Eternel hell .. Won't he ??

 

[I love Srilanka]

Is this a religion of peace or religion of fear...? Why do Muslims need tight laws to rule them? Are they so unlawful compared to other people? Why do Islam fill people with fear? Do you think that it is a good way to rule people as they rule their muslim world by fear. You have to Accept it. Muslims are afraid of their religion. Mr. I Love Srilanka proved it here.

Thats why im proud to be a BUDDHIST!! It is the only true to the word peaceful religion. Buddhism doesnt say love every one while saying kill someone or even animals. nor Contradict any where. It Does not speak of an unseen god. It gives the correct answer for your life. It shows the true nature of world. It does not tell you to seek help from an Almighty god which does not exist. It teach you to find truth from your self. It teach us the way to end this suffering... It teach us to live without fear.....

PS-You forgot one thing my friend... Death Penalty to non-believers...!! (Go ahead, call me a racist...)

I don't know what you are trying to say, what for we fear abt our religion. See if some one commits crime he is deserved to get punishment, We won't hug & kiss him. it never proved to be fear among the people, but practically controlling the crimes.Your Buddhist Spiritual maybe good and sweet for hearing and reading, but it is not practical.see islam never said abt the fighting before the peace.only as last resort.
you people keep on talking abt love, love.I wonder why ur Spritual leaders or monks never came up with some spiritual ideas to solve the LTTE problem. but ultimately SL leader has to depend on war and eliminate the LTTE.
of course God can't be seen if it is visible like u and me , it ceased to be God.God has to be different character than human being, then only it is GOD.Dont keep on arguing everything natuaral cycle, so manytime it was discussed u people keep on loosing the debate.if this world natuarally opearting why only one sun came up, only one moon came up,why one human identity different from others.how the world operate. I know all of your answers will be natural. but there is a Super power which operate them as per our faith.
I am not going to call u Racist coz, you are in dark, blind though u have got eyes.you cant be blamed now.i can pray for u thats it.may allah show u wisdom & correct path.

 

[hafizsaad]

what happens if he/she is a non muslim ?? Allah will send him to Eternel hell .. Won't he ??

if you believe on Allah, than you have to search for what he like and Guided, to save us and bless us.
all things are clear infront of us by him .only Decision and rational judgement required.