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Hey you pathetic cock su**ing moron! just think. a six year old or 9 year old girl is in childhood you moron. little girls are not "baby making machines". they have to develop a adult psychology too. they have feelings and thoughts too. what your crazy prophet did was approving and practising Pedophelia. You come here and lecture us about definition of childhood?? get lost you pathetic smelly bastard! just becos you want to defend your crazy prophet you think we all are idiots? Fu** you , Fuc* Allah and Fu** Muhammed!
mama kiwwe person who has reached full growth or alternatively is capable of reproduction
මම කිව්වෙ පළවෙනියට සිද්ද වෙන දේ
this whole discussion is NOT about whether a small 9 year old girl can make kids or not(rarely some will be able to but most majority can't..and even though some could bare children,it effects adversely to the mother,so it's avoided by the doctors),,it's about how ethical it is to marry a 6 year old small kid and to have sex with her at the age of 9 "by a 55 year old man"!!!!!!!!!,,and above all,he being your religious leader.....i know deep down inside your mind,you also feel disgusted to such acts,but the love for your religion(which makes you put in heaven
)doesn't let you to think like that....it doesn't let that feeling to over come you....so you'll basically justify any 3rd class act for the sake of your heaven guaranteed religion..........
............the best treatment is to let your own sister or daughter experience the same.......INSHALLAH!!!!!
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sick bastards
these sick bastards want to white wash their sick prophet.
A normal person would ever argue about sexual maturity of a 9 year old girl?
This is the core of islam.
Women wether they are small or adult if you are a man, you can USE them. women are just objects. they have no feelings, the little girls are just baby making machines. Yuk!
arguing with these type of persons make me puke!
these sick bastards want to white wash their sick prophet.
A normal person would ever argue about sexual maturity of a 9 year old girl?
This is the core of islam.
Women wether they are small or adult if you are a man, you can USE them. women are just objects. they have no feelings, the little girls are just baby making machines. Yuk!
arguing with these type of persons make me puke!
this whole discussion is NOT about whether a small 9 year old girl can make kids or not(rarely some will be able to but most majority can't..and even though some could bare children,it effects adversely to the mother,so it's avoided by the doctors),,it's about how ethical it is to marry a 6 year old small kid and to have sex with her at the age of 9 "by a 55 year old man"!!!!!!!!!,,and above all,he being your religious leader.....i know deep down inside your mind,you also feel disgusted to such acts,but the love for your religion(which makes you put in heaven
Mr.Suraj your comments are brilliant.keep on screwing on things which is debatable even among us as it is not clear even among the scholars or historian abt the age of marriage.so i feel it is appropriate you can move to different subject as to prove Islam is bad or wrong my dear.many critics they take this subject as to melaine islam,as they dont find any wrong with islam.
Even if Prophet mohammed did marry the ayesha at the age 6 or 9 or 19. We dont mind, and not disgusting as he even married(his first marriage) the Kadeeja at her age of 45. no young man will marry a old lady if he is a Sex liker.and moreover he has not kidnapped the aisha, he married with the consent of everyone. neither he Raped anyone.
these sick bastards want to white wash their sick prophet.
A normal person would ever argue about sexual maturity of a 9 year old girl?
This is the core of islam.
Women wether they are small or adult if you are a man, you can USE them. women are just objects. they have no feelings, the little girls are just baby making machines. Yuk!
arguing with these type of persons make me puke!
If You Civilized Keriyas Can Rape a One year old Girls, then what is the problem in marrying 6 or 9 or 19 years old girl....
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Aishah
Madam Aishah, a Study of her age at the time of her marriage with Prophet Muhammad
Introduction:
Aishah was a great Muslim lady, the daughter of the Prophet’s closest companion Abdullah ibn Abi Quhafah, better known to us as Abu Bakr, and his second wife, Umm Ruman. She was the ‘second beloved’ of the Prophet, the joy of the last years of his life. She was so famous that it seems quite extraordinary that some of the best-known facts about her should be challenged. This, however, is what this pamphlet proposes to do.
As a writer, I have been obliged to come to terms with two unfortunate but apparently unshakeable facts of life; the first is that no matter how hard one tries, or pays attention to the work one is doing, it is impossible to avoid slips in one’s work creeping in – through tiredness, momentary lack of concentration, interruptions, mind too full of racing thoughts, etc. Once the slip is in, it may lie there unnoticed, even by the original author, through many proof-readings. The second fact of life is that once things have been written down and appeared in public, they get repeated and copied by others, ad infinitum – often without question, and usually without consulting the original sources to check accuracy.
In this concise booklet, we consider what may possibly be the most serious piece of mis-information in the whole of Muslim history – the long-unchallenged notion that the Prophet’s third wife Aishah, the daughter of his dear friend Abu Bakr, was only six when she accepted nikah with the Prophet, that she married him physically when she was around nine years old, and was around eighteen when he died. One can find these ‘facts’ quoted again and again; moreover, they appear to be based on the most trustworthy of authorities – the hadith collections of Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawud, an-Nisa’i and Ibn-e-Majah.
However, there are many points to consider. Firstly, all of these authorities seem to have based their conclusions solely on the work of Aishah’s relative, the historian Hisham ibn Urwah, the grandson of Aishah’s sister Asma. One might think, therefore, that they were extremely accurate. However, Hisham’s accuracy in other matters was challenged. The matters pertaining to Aishah were supposedly obtained from Hisham’s father, but apparently these particular hadiths were offered only in Iraq and were unknown to the people of Madinah, and must necessarily, therefore, be regarded as not entirely trustworthy. (The reasons are given in the booklet).
In order to help the reader form his or her own judgment, certain fixed dates and terms should be placed before them.
- The birth of the Prophet was in 570 CE.
- His Call to the Prophethood occurred in 610 CE.
- The year his wife Khadijah died was 619 CE.
- The most likely year of his nikah to Aishah was 620 CE.
- The Hijrah to Madinah took place in 622 CE.
- The Prophet’s full marriage to Aishah was in 2 AH/623-4 CE.
- The Prophet died in 10 AH/632 CE.
- Most authorities agree that Aishah died in 50 AH/672 CE.
The conclusions formed about the dates and age of Aishah rest on three separate theories. The first, and most widely accepted throughout the Muslim world, is that she was born in the fourth year of the Prophethood (ie 614 CE). This is based on one reference in Ibn Sa’d’s work, which seems to be contradicted by many of his later statements. If this was true, it would mean she was indeed five when Khadijah died, six when her nikah was performed, nine in the year of her full marriage, and eighteen when the Prophet died. However, it would also mean that if she did die in 672 CE she was only fifty-eight, and not sixty-seven as most authorities report.
The second theory is that she was born some four years before the Prophethood, in 605-6 CE. This would mean she was 4/5 when he was called to his mission, 14/15 when Khadijah died, 15/16 at her nikah, 19 in the year of her full marriage, and 27/28 when he died. She would have indeed been sixty-seven when she died in 50 AH. (Sometimes one has to be flexible with the years, because people tend to ‘round things up’ and take into account the number of months in any year as a complete year – ie, if someone was sixteen years and eight months old, people might well say she was nearly seventeen.)
The third theory is that she was five years younger than Fatimah, who was said to have been born five years before the Prophet’s call, therefore making the year of Aishah’s birth in that very year, 610. If this was true, she would have been 9 when Khadijah died, 10 at her nikah, 12 in the year of Hijrah, 14 when she married him, 22 when he died, and 62 when she died.
The argument based on the age of Fatimah has a further complication, however, since her own dates are disputed. Isaba, for example, agreed that she was born in 605 since when she married Ali in 625 she was 20. Yet she was said to have been 29 when the Prophet (and she herself) died in the year 632 – which pushes her birth year back to 603.
The concept of nikah of a six-year-old Aishah has given ammunition to the enemies of Islam – which cannot be helped if it is true. However, so many given facts make this suggestion seem debatable.
My own personal conclusion from it all would be that Aishah was born in 605-6, and that Ibn Sa’d had been cursed by a glaring example of writer’s slip which went unnoticed and got repeated ad infinitum by those who used him as a primary source. The slip, I believe, was that he stated that Aishah was born in the fourth year of the Prophethood, when what he actually meant was that she was born four years before the Prophethood.
This makes all the points raised by the author in this booklet completely sensible, and of prime importance to our own generation of Islamic scholars.
Ruqaiyyah Waris Maqsood
29 September 1996
Madam Aishah, a Study of her age at the time of her marriage with Prophet Muhammad
Introduction:
Aishah was a great Muslim lady, the daughter of the Prophet’s closest companion Abdullah ibn Abi Quhafah, better known to us as Abu Bakr, and his second wife, Umm Ruman. She was the ‘second beloved’ of the Prophet, the joy of the last years of his life. She was so famous that it seems quite extraordinary that some of the best-known facts about her should be challenged. This, however, is what this pamphlet proposes to do.
As a writer, I have been obliged to come to terms with two unfortunate but apparently unshakeable facts of life; the first is that no matter how hard one tries, or pays attention to the work one is doing, it is impossible to avoid slips in one’s work creeping in – through tiredness, momentary lack of concentration, interruptions, mind too full of racing thoughts, etc. Once the slip is in, it may lie there unnoticed, even by the original author, through many proof-readings. The second fact of life is that once things have been written down and appeared in public, they get repeated and copied by others, ad infinitum – often without question, and usually without consulting the original sources to check accuracy.
In this concise booklet, we consider what may possibly be the most serious piece of mis-information in the whole of Muslim history – the long-unchallenged notion that the Prophet’s third wife Aishah, the daughter of his dear friend Abu Bakr, was only six when she accepted nikah with the Prophet, that she married him physically when she was around nine years old, and was around eighteen when he died. One can find these ‘facts’ quoted again and again; moreover, they appear to be based on the most trustworthy of authorities – the hadith collections of Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawud, an-Nisa’i and Ibn-e-Majah.
However, there are many points to consider. Firstly, all of these authorities seem to have based their conclusions solely on the work of Aishah’s relative, the historian Hisham ibn Urwah, the grandson of Aishah’s sister Asma. One might think, therefore, that they were extremely accurate. However, Hisham’s accuracy in other matters was challenged. The matters pertaining to Aishah were supposedly obtained from Hisham’s father, but apparently these particular hadiths were offered only in Iraq and were unknown to the people of Madinah, and must necessarily, therefore, be regarded as not entirely trustworthy. (The reasons are given in the booklet).
In order to help the reader form his or her own judgment, certain fixed dates and terms should be placed before them.
- The birth of the Prophet was in 570 CE.
- His Call to the Prophethood occurred in 610 CE.
- The year his wife Khadijah died was 619 CE.
- The most likely year of his nikah to Aishah was 620 CE.
- The Hijrah to Madinah took place in 622 CE.
- The Prophet’s full marriage to Aishah was in 2 AH/623-4 CE.
- The Prophet died in 10 AH/632 CE.
- Most authorities agree that Aishah died in 50 AH/672 CE.
The conclusions formed about the dates and age of Aishah rest on three separate theories. The first, and most widely accepted throughout the Muslim world, is that she was born in the fourth year of the Prophethood (ie 614 CE). This is based on one reference in Ibn Sa’d’s work, which seems to be contradicted by many of his later statements. If this was true, it would mean she was indeed five when Khadijah died, six when her nikah was performed, nine in the year of her full marriage, and eighteen when the Prophet died. However, it would also mean that if she did die in 672 CE she was only fifty-eight, and not sixty-seven as most authorities report.
The second theory is that she was born some four years before the Prophethood, in 605-6 CE. This would mean she was 4/5 when he was called to his mission, 14/15 when Khadijah died, 15/16 at her nikah, 19 in the year of her full marriage, and 27/28 when he died. She would have indeed been sixty-seven when she died in 50 AH. (Sometimes one has to be flexible with the years, because people tend to ‘round things up’ and take into account the number of months in any year as a complete year – ie, if someone was sixteen years and eight months old, people might well say she was nearly seventeen.)
The third theory is that she was five years younger than Fatimah, who was said to have been born five years before the Prophet’s call, therefore making the year of Aishah’s birth in that very year, 610. If this was true, she would have been 9 when Khadijah died, 10 at her nikah, 12 in the year of Hijrah, 14 when she married him, 22 when he died, and 62 when she died.
The argument based on the age of Fatimah has a further complication, however, since her own dates are disputed. Isaba, for example, agreed that she was born in 605 since when she married Ali in 625 she was 20. Yet she was said to have been 29 when the Prophet (and she herself) died in the year 632 – which pushes her birth year back to 603.
The concept of nikah of a six-year-old Aishah has given ammunition to the enemies of Islam – which cannot be helped if it is true. However, so many given facts make this suggestion seem debatable.
My own personal conclusion from it all would be that Aishah was born in 605-6, and that Ibn Sa’d had been cursed by a glaring example of writer’s slip which went unnoticed and got repeated ad infinitum by those who used him as a primary source. The slip, I believe, was that he stated that Aishah was born in the fourth year of the Prophethood, when what he actually meant was that she was born four years before the Prophethood.
This makes all the points raised by the author in this booklet completely sensible, and of prime importance to our own generation of Islamic scholars.
Ruqaiyyah Waris Maqsood
29 September 1996
these sick bastards want to white wash their sick prophet.
A normal person would ever argue about sexual maturity of a 9 year old girl?
This is the core of islam.
Women wether they are small or adult if you are a man, you can USE them. women are just objects. they have no feelings, the little girls are just baby making machines. Yuk!
arguing with these type of persons make me puke!
OHH SHAITHAN X !!!
The Messenger of Allah – Blessings of Allah and Peace be Upon him – advised concerning the woman:
Treat the women well. He also said: The best of you are those who are the best in the treatment of their wives.He also said: No one honors the woman except an honorable man. And no one humiliates her or holds her in contempt except one who is evil, vile, wicked and depraved.
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your scholars themselves has said that ayesha married at the age of 6 and had sex at the age of 9...i also got to know it from them only.....may be the debate is inside your mind.....
as far as i can remember,this was only one of many unethical issues of islam discussed in this EK forum.....may be you thinking that others don't find any wrong in islam because you are a believer who has tought that it's the only true perfect thing....
i know that kadeeja was a very rich woman..(a trader)..and mohammed was working as one of her employee....
...(money and acceptance......no wonder to me..these things even happens nowadays....)speaking of ethics here.....
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your scholars themselves has said that ayesha married at the age of 6 and had sex at the age of 9...i also got to know it from them only.....may be the debate is inside your mind.....
as far as i can remember,this was only one of many unethical issues of islam discussed in this EK forum.....may be you thinking that others don't find any wrong in islam because you are a believer who has tought that it's the only true perfect thing....
i know that kadeeja was a very rich woman..(a trader)..and mohammed was working as one of her employee....
speaking of ethics here.....
hey ANTI-ISLAMIST reply is the same as before, if you forget don't hesitate to click here
your scholars themselves has said that ayesha married at the age of 6 and had sex at the age of 9...i also got to know it from them only.....may be the debate is inside your mind.....
Scholars them self differs in this issue...see the post which i posted just before your reply
as far as i can remember,this was only one of many unethical issues of islam discussed in this EK forum.....may be you thinking that others don't find any wrong in islam because you are a believer who has tought that it's the only true perfect thing....
As far as you remember mean u dont remember at all. many critics criticized the islam, everything answered convincingly.and many of u guys dont want to accept and say they are not convinced and abuse the Allah and mohammed.this is what have been happening in this forum.
not only bec of we are believer of Islam we think it is perfect,but Islam has got everything unlike other religions those silent on many issues and contradictory itself. and we don't find any other religion which is better than Islam.
i know that kadeeja was a very rich woman..(a trader)..and mohammed was working as one of her employee....
1st of all, Only Kadeejah requested prophet to marry her, not the prophet requested her. other thing if he heeded to marry a rich girl, he could have even married a rich young girl. you assumed & thought only Khadeejah was the richest at that time.
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Once again wrong. A woman is capable of reproducing (with many risks) before achieving full maturity. You are groping in darkness
ඔයා කළුවරේ අතපත ගාන්නෙ!
oh ok..that means this so called "perfect relgion" also has debates about it's content..???...
ok then answer one simple thing which came to my mind right now.....you people lick your fingers well after eating,which is considered as a very manner-less thing...what is the scientific explanation behind that.....(don't want to go in to deeper questions...)
do you know,english language has a very nice proverb for this..."blowing your own trumpet"...
...i think no other fits best to this than you muslims does...
can you just simply marry anybody you wish???i want to marry a rich girl,,can i marry bill gate's daughter.???...what type of stupid thought is that....(and above all mohammed being a poor person..).....that was the best option for him.....
Let's agree that there is a dispute over Lady Ayisha's age at marriage-either 6 or 16 years. The prophet was around 54 years at the time, and, like people argue here if life expectancy was low at the time, knew that he will not live long; so he knew that he was going to leave behind a very young widow, with another 50-60 years ahead of her to live without a partner. (If even old men of 54 years went for child brides, I need not argue the possibility of a widow getting a good partner.)
This sounds very inconsiderate of him, specially when he himself had 8 or 9 wives, and even at the age of 55-60 he considered a sex life is a necessity. If he really needed to educate Lady Ayisha on Islam, he could have adopted her as a child, or have her married to a son of his.
By the way, did Prophet Mohommed have any children?
This sounds very inconsiderate of him, specially when he himself had 8 or 9 wives, and even at the age of 55-60 he considered a sex life is a necessity. If he really needed to educate Lady Ayisha on Islam, he could have adopted her as a child, or have her married to a son of his.
By the way, did Prophet Mohommed have any children?
@ M.RIZ ...
...... السلام عليكم
My brother in ISLAM... we don't need to give explanation for a bunch of ANTI-MUSLIMS.
We all know what is the intention behind all these questions nothing but to insult ISLAM.. that's what their narrow mentality.
Bro i like to point out what the NOBLE QURAN says about these REJECTORS...
Glorious Al Quran Says,
As to those who reject faith (kafaru), it is the same to them whether you warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe [Qur'an2:6];
So let's take the lesson from Al Quran and not explain the FURQAN to these bunch of REJECTORS..
we have to explain to a NON-MUSLIM we should not explin to a ANTI-MUSLIM becoz our beloved PROPHET PBUH taught us how to deal with ENEMIES OF ISLAM...
only the PROPHET'S way we hear and obey..
الله أكبر
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