Prophet Muhammad and child marriages

[njsa]

sudunone;
The woman in the story apparently believed in Islam and Allah's apostle, right? And this rule is still there in Islamic countries and we hear of news about women who committed adultery, so don't keep unnecessarily high hopes

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Yeah correct still in some Islamic countries, it doesn't necessarily be effective and will be effective some extent. it is not just Islamic environment, in addition to that it should be parent as well. black sheeps are in everywhere and the punishment is required to control.you cant imagine that islamic countries will b 100% free adultery.adultery was there even the time of Prophet mohammed.here you have to see the comparison with non islamic countries. I have high hope coz, with the help Islamic environment I am going to look after my children well and capable of doing so...

Yeah, I know simply because of the religion parents let their children to be killed. I don't approve of it.

i dont want my children to get die with aids as well!!
In order to avoid their children being killed only, Parent and islam clearly teach them that adultery is wrong,those who dont get it may taste the death but because they acknowledge and repent god will give them a good life in hereafter.
there are colour lights and yellow crossings in the road but government know well that only that is not enough educating them to follow the rules so they keep police men to capture and punish who don't obey the rules.do u mean to say that government dont care their people!!

Then It means You approve ur children commiting adultery????good for u!!

The God will forgive, but the humans won't, eh?

of course god is the 1 who forgives and a true believer will never go ageinst what he prohibited. by having death for the crime they suffered in this life so god is going to give her a good life in here after.our aim is having a good life in the future not here.
Then they have to be ready to get punishment from God after they die,is it ok? either they get punishement here or get punishment from God in hereafter..Only 2 options...

How can a human can forgive someone??..will u forgive some one who raped your Sister or daughter??? I hope if u forgive so..in SL rapers % will increase drastically in a short run..

If your partner doesn't want you, then he or she doesn't want you. If he/she is interested in someone else, then he/she is interested in someone else. Why do you have to punish them? I can understand an individual taking revenge; I can understand the social system punishing someone who has raped another( such as the Arabs who rape the house maids); this killing is something I can't understand. You are anyway going to lose him/her, why not let him/her live, with someone he/she loves?

See! we have option for that also, if she doesn't like means she should take divorce from you and let her join with the man she likes(islam permit this). so here your point is wrong. This is not revenge it is obviously a punishment.We dont want to leave her to make another adultery and make the society bad.

When my wife commits adultery, well,

You mean ,.,you will forgive ur wife?? mmm!! interesting!!!

 

[ex-muslim Ahmed]

These islamic bitches are also brain washed. No kindness, feminity or softness in their hearts. Just like an animal , trying to justify their prophets pedophilia addiction. yuk!

 

[sudunone]

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Yeah correct still in some Islamic countries, it doesn't necessarily be effective and will be effective some extent. it is not just Islamic environment, in addition to that it should be parent as well. black sheeps are in everywhere and the punishment is required to control.you cant imagine that islamic countries will b 100% free adultery.adultery was there even the time of Prophet mohammed.here you have to see the comparison with non islamic countries. I have high hope coz, with the help Islamic environment I am going to look after my children well and capable of doing so...

On the contrary, Islamic countries have a very high rate of raping domestic aids, don't you think? Only, these are not reported or punished because, (a) Law takes the side of their Muslim citizen (b) Law takes the side of the man

i dont want my children to get die with aids as well!!

You can get AIDS from your legally married partner; on the other hand, not all who have an extra marital relationship get AIDS. But yeah, I can understand you don't want them to die of AIDS; what I don't understand is you are willing to let them be killed...

In order to avoid their children being killed only, Parent and islam clearly teach them that adultery is wrong,those who dont get it may taste the death but because they acknowledge and repent god will give them a good life in hereafter.

You have a point there- in order to avoid being killed...how about teaching them to stay faithful because it's good to be honest, because they love their partner? How about teaching them to leave the marriage if they are interested in another person? Meanwhile, try to build a better and safer world for your child by banning such extremist punishments?

About that last sentence, how do they get a good life, when they have committed adultery? Obviously they have disobeyed the God and invariably mad at God and Prophet for creating rules that kill her now. Certainly one doesn't praise the God for creating a rule that kills oneself. By the way, you said that story is true- so it means the Prophet created this rule, not God.
Like I said, God forgives, Men won't-because they think God will not do justice?

there are colour lights and yellow crossings in the road but government know well that only that is not enough educating them to follow the rules so they keep police men to capture and punish who don't obey the rules.do u mean to say that government dont care their people!!

Most governments don't care about their people. Having policemen and rules to punish give only one clear message: "Don't get caught!"
If there were no policemen, how many drivers would stop at the traffic lights? Do policemen/politicians obey road rules? (They know they can escape law.) In other words, having a punishment has not cancelled out the behaviour; only modified it to "Do it if you can avoid getting caught or can escape law."
For your information in child rearing, punishment is no longer considered as an effective method of learning.

Then It means You approve ur children commiting adultery????good for u!!

I don't approve of adultery but I do not approve of stoning women as a punishment. Divorce, yes.
I would teach my children to finish with the current relationship before starting another; but of course I would not tell them to stick with a partner to please the world; if they prefer another, then go for that person and be happy. Good for me, eh?

of course god is the 1 who forgives and a true believer will never go ageinst what he prohibited. by having death for the crime they suffered in this life so god is going to give her a good life in here after.our aim is having a good life in the future not here.

Can you give me description of this "Good Life" your daughter is going to have in her next life, assuming she goes to God? Does she get 72 virgin men? Does she get to wear what she likes? Does she get to do everything she likes? Does she get to live an independent life? I'll be satisfied with a small description of the things she gets and the things she has to do there; no need of pages of details. I haven't seen Siraj copy-pasting this detail.

Then they have to be ready to get punishment from God after they die,is it ok? either they get punishement here or get punishment from God in hereafter..Only 2 options...

Wouldn't God be in a better position to decide what punishment she should get? After all he knows better, and there can be flaws in men's action- or so I read in one of Siraj's posts.

How can a human can forgive someone??..will u forgive some one who raped your Sister or daughter??? I hope if u forgive so..in SL rapers % will increase drastically in a short run..

Humans can forgive, but you have to cultivate the habit-yes, it's difficult.
But you don't have to kill the other person, that is my point. After all this is the person you once loved, how could you kill her? (I stick to females because it seems men are not stoned to death for adultery)
For the time being, we'll stick to adultery, we can discuss rape on another day.

Like I said before, I can understand some individuals killing their wives/girl friends for being unfaithful-most of them have psychological imbalances. But to have a rule that says to kill a woman for adultery, now that brings the matter to a societal scale-it's no longer an individual's lunacy. What if some one falsely accuses your daughter? (If I remember right you'll two women to raise a voice equal to a man's, so you won't be able to defend your daughter on your own if her husband accuses her...) What about those who belong in other religions? What about those who are born to Islam but don't believe in it? Surely, they should not be punished because they are not going to heaven anyway according to your belief.

See! we have option for that also, if she doesn't like means she should take divorce from you and let her join with the man she likes(islam permit this). so here your point is wrong. This is not revenge it is obviously a punishment.We dont want to leave her to make another adultery and make the society bad.

What do you mean? Once she leaves the marriage, it's no longer adultery if she has a relationship. Or do you mean, you won't allow her to repeat the mistake by killing her as a precaution? How do you know if she is going to repeat it? Most women are unhappy in their marriages and may have one extra marital relationship-it's quite rare for a woman to continue to have extramarital relationships. And, my view is, again, if she is unhappy with the second relationship as well, then she should try a third; why not?

You mean ,.,you will forgive ur wife?? mmm!! interesting!!!

I mean, I will let go; I mean, I will not kill.I believe people should be with the people they love.

 

[ela_eluwa120]

Thank you very much, its a good story for my daughter as to grow up her in a right manner with modesty..likewise no one should even think about committing adultery

In case if you get a son, he will be lucky enough to commit "legal adultery".

 

[njsa]

sudunone
On the contrary, Islamic countries have a very high rate of raping domestic aids, don't you think? Only, these are not reported or punished because, (a) Law takes the side of their Muslim citizen (b) Law takes the side of the man

i dont think and there is no such a thing that they take side on their citizen.its all in ur head.
who ever do the mistake deserve the punishment.no matter of their race or cast.i dont say that there is no any crime but there is less comparing to other countries and nowadays no any arab country following the islamic rules except saudi some exent.so no wonder why there is aids and rapes taking place.it is a common accuse crimes are not reported islamic coutries, bt it is wrong even if open BBC and CNN they will show as head lines abt islamic countries crimes and punishments, it become so much important for westerners nowadays.and I hope u know well which the country that has most crime rate in d world. including that country...

You can get AIDS from your legally married partner; on the other hand, not all who have an extra marital relationship get AIDS. But yeah, I can understand you don't want them to die of AIDS; what I don't understand is you are willing to let them be killed...

i dont want them to die of anything so i know how to raise my children.if i follow and show them the right way there is no question about adultry or about killing.so i know how to save my kids from hell fire and this life..seems to be you are supporting adulatory.mmm!!..

You have a point there- in order to avoid being killed...how about teaching them to stay faithful because it's good to be honest, because they love their partner? How about teaching them to leave the marriage if they are interested in another person? Meanwhile, try to build a better and safer world for your child by banning such extremist punishments?

do u want to ban the punishment or the crime here.i told u and telling u the same thing.if i raise my kids in a islamic manner so they will know that adultry is a sin.so there is no way they will have trouble in marriage life.provided all things followed as the way islam says.i know men cheat on wife easily so islam tells the men who dont feel like having 1 wife is not enough they can have two three or four maximum.but should be treated the same for all four and islam permit this with lot of restriction, it is very hard to fulfil nowadays...

About that last sentence, how do they get a good life, when they have committed adultery? Obviously they have disobeyed the God and invariably mad at God and Prophet for creating rules that kill her now. Certainly one doesn't praise the God for creating a rule that kills oneself. By the way, you said that story is true- so it means the Prophet created this rule, not God.
Like I said, God forgives, Men won't-because they think God will not do justice?

the story mentioned in thread is that she asked prophet (saw) to punish her coz of her sin.so she repented her self and died as sin less.those who repent god is always there to forgive.!!
she wanted to face the punishment here and die as sinless.

Most governments don't care about their people. Having policemen and rules to punish give only one clear message: "Don't get caught!"
this is ur point of view.i think u always looking things in a abnormal way.police is to control the accidents.anyway in srilanka its to collect bribe.

If there were no policemen, how many drivers would stop at the traffic lights? Do policemen/politicians obey road rules? (They know they can escape law.) In other words, having a punishment has not cancelled out the behaviour; only modified it to "Do it if you can avoid getting caught or can escape law."

human always wanted to escape from law as well as from the punishemnt but the government doing their best to catch this culprits such as fixing video cameras tracing the vehicle numbers which will happen in our country after another 100 years.and i said about the traffic rules is just an example.god knows about all who obey and disobey.so may be many can escape in this world but no one can in the life after as God the most wise and all knowing.

For your information in child rearing, punishment is no longer considered as an effective method of learning.

that is the reason why there r more crims and drug addicted kids in europe counties,i.e you might have heard abt shoot out incidents in colleges recently.even if their parents punish them they can call the police and may their parents ended up being jailed.is this a child parent relation ship!!

I don't approve of adultery but I do not approve of stoning women as a punishment. Divorce, yes.
I would teach my children to finish with the current relationship before starting another;of course I would not tell them to stick with a partner to please the world; if they prefer another, then go for that person and be happy. Good for me, eh?

yes brother.its good.we should teach them to be polite and lead a honest life and the commiting adultry is a sin.so no any kid wont have a bad marriage life.so there wont be a talk of punishing them.many options are available as to avoid another crime.i.e as i told divorce and marriage for adultory,zakath(charity) for theft.etc....our aim is to make our generation lead a good life and for that we needed strict rules and regulations to follow.that is what islam is all about.it is not we like to punish some one & enjoy our self

Can you give me description of this "Good Life" your daughter is going to have in her next life, assuming she goes to God? Does she get 72 virgin men? Does she get to wear what she likes? Does she get to do everything she likes? Does she get to live an independent life? I'll be satisfied with a small description of the things she gets and the things she has to do there; no need of pages of details. I haven't seen Siraj copy-pasting this detail.

A women never dream of having 72 men as how men interest in girls.but there will be everything what a women wanted and wished.we dont follow our religion just becoz we can be in heaven with virgin but we follow what our creator wanted us to follow which will help us to have a good life here.by following our religion we make this life as nice life.so becoz of following his commands and leading a good life god will reward us by giving heaven and for those who dont obey hell will be granted.

Wouldn't God be in a better position to decide what punishment she should get? After all he knows better, and there can be flaws in men's action- or so I read in one of Siraj's posts.

rules are same for both men and women

Humans can forgive, but you have to cultivate the habit-yes, it's difficult.
But you don't have to kill the other person, that is my point. After all this is the person you once loved, how could you kill her? (I stick to females because it seems men are not stoned to death for adultery)

you have misconception.there is nothing different for men in punishment and they have to follow the same rules.only the different u can see for men and women is the dress cord.

For the time being, we'll stick to adultery, we can discuss rape on another day.

im not going to kill any1 and there is a authority/a court as how u have legal law in our country.if i want to forgive my husband and also he want to correct his mistakes i wont go to the muslim court know. those who want and think should punish this culprit for cheating its up to her/him.so the point is if any1 want to forgive its totally up to them and can acknowledge his mistake and seek forgiveness from allah by repenting.
the thing is u created a picture in ur mind, like a men or women chasing his wife or husband with a knife in order to punish for their adulatory.its not like that.there are certain things which we should follow like eyewitness ,circumstance etc..

Like I said before, I can understand some individuals killing their wives/girl friends for being unfaithful-most of them have psychological imbalances. But to have a rule that says to kill a woman for adultery, now that brings the matter to a societal scale-it's no longer an individual's lunacy. What if some one falsely accuses your daughter? (If I remember right you'll two women to raise a voice equal to a man's, so you won't be able to defend your daughter on your own if her husband accuses her...) What about those who belong in other religions? What about those who are born to Islam but don't believe in it? Surely, they should not be punished because they are not going to heaven anyway according to your belief.

i dont know how u justifying commiting adultery as simple as having a chewing gum.first u should know how serious it is.
for us its is a major sin.
anyway u will never accept this punishmant coz adultry is nothing for u.

if any1 falsely accuse and there is only 2 women means that the accusation is not acceptable.coz to punish there should be 4 witnesses.so my daughter will be safe.
and also when any1 give witness they check background of the witnessing person as well as their honesty and the sincerity among that society so it is not so easy in Islam to punish somebody as much as u think..

Islam prescribes that both adulterer and adulteress should be stoned but it does not inflict such punishment unless they are married persons and upon conclusive evidence by 4 witnesses who saw everything with complete clarity. Any doubts and the sentence would be commuted. This principle is supported by the saying of the Prophet (s.a.w);

“Avoid the execution of punishment by doubt”.

What do you mean? Once she leaves the marriage, it's no longer adultery if she has a relationship. Or do you mean, you won't allow her to repeat the mistake by killing her as a precaution? How do you know if she is going to repeat it? Most women are unhappy in their marriages and may have one extra marital relationship-it's quite rare for a woman to continue to have extramarital relationships. And, my view is, again, if she is unhappy with the second relationship as well, then she should try a third; why not?

its clear that u dont consider commiting adultry is a sin.so there is no wonder why u are not ready to accept the fact.

I mean, I will let go; I mean, I will not kill.I believe people should be with the people they love.

yes.if some one dont like the person whom they are married to, can just have divorce and look for another partner rather than cheating his or her husband wont be fair enough to forgive.

 

[njsa]

In case if you get a son, he will be lucky enough to commit "legal adultery".

the rules are same for men and women so .....

 

[AncientGlory]

If Im afraid I would have not replied my friend.

Malign mean Insult..

as far as you understand,Im uttering useless words and not giving logic answers, but for me and some others I may be good and trying to clarify the misconceptions to the non muslims like you. One can be actor for some one, for others he can be villain.!! there is no doubt non believers should ask the question bt with open heart as to understand what is the replies they get.bt unfortunately whoever comes here restricting their knowledge in putting their accusation about islam, when they get answer they act as if they are Montessori children.and again when they put counter question again their brain start to work as to ask some twist question.
What is your genuine question, this is your genuine question?? dont just bluff as if you found something some illogical point with Quran,and we r running away. though quran challenged you people to bring any book like that or find wrong in that.NO body succeeded so far.Including many scientist and non islamic scholors.I hope comparing to scientist and non islamic scholars you r peanuts..Do u think you will defeat islam.we dont label you as anti islamist as long as as you want to learn the islam and question us, bt only we lable as you are anti Islamist as you dont want to understand,and bring something to screw us which we even differ and it is not exactly clear.and why dont u talk about Prophet mohammed did good things and why dont u guys question us why prophet married widows most of them.bt only on aisha? this shows you r not genuine questioner but Genuine Anti islamist..!!

Aisha wished to marry Mohammed, and her family wished as well.and their family life was good. we have no proof for having affected their life middle aged man married 9years aisha.so what is d problem for you??? how do u say it it will affect future society...then do u mean current world all muslims are marrying a girl at the age of 9. No we dont do that..see age of puberty cannot be same in all the countries and the communities...and why dont u appreciate that prophet married many widows and gave life to them. even for sake of argument if we accept future society following the prophet, to marry the young girls, it is not he to be blamed but we.coz he married more widows and one 9yrs old. which should encourage us to marry widow and not young. so it is not appropriate to say he showed us wrong path.

Thank you for your answer and opinions. It seems like you cannot understand the simple fact that main reason for child marriages, in muslim countries is because people consider Muhammad as a role model.
This is a fact and whatever you say will not change facts. This surely questions the morality of the Muhammad's actions.

I have asked what do you think about that? Your actions were, label me as an Anti-Islamist. Defend your prophets actions. Deny that those actions have no effect to today's society. You then compare Islam to a toilet, and you compare Buddhism and Christianity to a toilet. And you also say we don't do that. Does this 'we' stand for muslims? If so I have to ask, do you live in THIS world?

really u don't understand this??:..i meant before all, study ur scriptures well.watever it is !!(christainaty or buddhism) and decide ur self u r in correct path way before u pin point islam or can i treat that u decided ur self that u are inconvinced abt ur religion and looking to learn islam to enter in to the religion of peace(islam)..

No I understand this. I just wanted to amuse myself of your Ignorance.

First, whatever the religion is Islam,Buddhism or Christianity don't compare it to a toilet.

Secondly, I do not have any scriptures. just because you need to study and utter words from scriptures, and believe whatever is written in them without any logic or reason, do not assume everyone has to do it.

Thirdly, because you were born to a religion and because you can not understand any other way, you assume that a religion is a must for someone. Get out of that limited frame. Some people are perfectly capable of thinking for themselves without having a book or some unknown being to guide them.

I have decided that I am in the correct path. I will always be seeking for truth. And I will continue to raise questions and discuss things in any religion that does not make sense. This is for two reasons, First to educate myself of why people think this way, and to know the facts. Then for once if someone decides to think for them selves, to give something for them to think about. What you think or how you label me plays no part in this at all. I don't really care at all. Clearly this is not for someone who cannot think for himself but for people who dare to cross that line.

 

[AncientGlory]

I love Srilanka.Your reply is great...!

Thanks for the effort, this fools will never understand,they will come back with the different question on the same subject.

Likewise. Same answer with different words. Only the original question is not addressed because you cannot.

-Buddha married at the age of 16 to his wife the same age.in current time even 16 years is considered to be non eligible to marry in our buddhist country.what they do say abt this??

By today's laws buddha has committed rape. But how is this relevant to this thread?
Oh I see, this is one of your defense mechanisms, If you cant answer a question, try to reverse the question and attack. Well its pathetic. Stay on the topic friend.

-he left his wife during her labour, is it a good path which he provided to his believers?? I doubt so..he made wife and child suffered , is it reasonable?

-what they do say abt not marrying..being single alone till they die..is it correct? can it be good for the peaceful life???

Depends on the person. Some people prefer to be single. What,, you can't even understand that this it is individual preference??

-Budhha enjoyed a normal life, only eventually he went for searching truth.but now what u people are doing...?
just making small boys and girls monks/bikhu by seeing their fortune(hadehane) who even dont know what is the meaning of life.?isnt this child abuse???????????????????

I wont say that its child abuse. But clearly this is wrong. This must be stopped.

and these people are telling that they came from lion which is the most funniest thing i ever heard in my life.
anyway it is proven by the following doing.
they send their wives to abroad while they just stay in home enjoying what their wives send them, same like how the lions do while their female lion go for hunting for food.!!

Sinhalese did not come from lions, that is a fact. Sinhalese people have lived in Sri Lanka a long time before king Vijaya came here. King Vijaya did not populate Sri Lanka, it was already populated. Lion and sinhala has no connection at all. It is true that most sinhala poeple does not know that, it is a shame. They should focus more on history and learn where they really comes from.

The other day someone posted a big picture of a lion to represent sinhalese. It is sad to see that, clearly those people do not know their own history, but they are really keen to teach others..

 

[AncientGlory]

the rules are same for men and women so .....

You are kidding right??

 

[ex-muslim Ahmed]

Volume 1, Book 6, Number 297: Narrated Um Salama:
While I was laying with the Prophet under a single woolen sheet, I got the menses. I slipped away and put on the clothes for menses. He said, "Have you got "Nifas" (menses)?" I replied, "Yes." He then called me and made me lie with him under the same sheet.

Volume 1, Book 6, Number 298: Narrated 'Aisha:
The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to fondle me. While in Itikaf, he used to bring his head near me and I would wash it while I used to be in my periods (menses)

could This be a prophet of god? even could this be a sane person with minimum decency? ??

 

[njsa]

AncientGlory
Likewise. Same answer with different words. Only the original question is not addressed because you cannot.
By today's laws buddha has committed rape. But how is this relevant to this thread?
Oh I see, this is one of your defense mechanisms, If you cant answer a question, try to reverse the question and attack. Well its pathetic. Stay on the topic.

i dont want to go out of topic or to defend my self.or even didnt try to reverse the question as many in ek do to attack islam.i dont have any problem in buddah marring a 16 year old girl,leaving his wife and child or mother mary gave birth at the age of 12. i just mentioned it coz then u will know that it was common in that time and those days may be that age is matured enough to get marry.so i thought u will understand what i meant...but im wrong!!!

-he left his wife during her labour, is it a good path which he provided to his believers?? I doubt so..he made wife and child suffered , is it reasonable?
Depends on the person. Some people prefer to be single. What,, you can't even understand that this it is individual preference??

it can be depend on the person but what when the parents decide to join their kids as monks in temple!! as u said in a post that what ever is correct u accept no matter of ur religion..so what u say about this????????

I wont say that its child abuse. But clearly this is wrong. This must be stopped.

this must be stopped!! where its happening????? can u show some with proof and also whats the percentage??????? may be there are some cases in middle east but dont think its common in our religion even if any 1 doing it its because of their lack of knowledge about islam.so there are same incidents among non muslims as well like in india and bangeladesh..so do u mean to say that also because of prophet muhammed (s.a.w).

Sinhalese did not come from lions, that is a fact. Sinhalese people have lived in Sri Lanka a long time before king Vijaya came here. King Vijaya did not populate Sri Lanka, it was already populated. Lion and sinhala has no connection at all. It is true that most sinhala poeple does not know that, it is a shame. They should focus more on history and learn where they really comes from.

ok...but we cant just blame the people for that.because i know when im in grade 9,they taught me also the lion matter in same way.also told that there were no any human before vijay.and the kids of devil kuweni and vijeys son were are the start of 'wedi'
parepure.i dont know why our history is always changing.if i ask my dad he will tell a totally different story of our history.,, who is correct?

The other day someone posted a big picture of a lion to represent sinhalese. It is sad to see that, clearly those people do not know their own history, but they are really keen to teach others..

even in our flag there is a lion know.

 

[njsa]

You are kidding right??

ur kidding me by asking this.im serious!!

 

[AncientGlory]

i dont want to go out of topic or to defend my self.or even didnt try to reverse the question as many in ek do to attack islam.i dont have any problem in buddah marring a 16 year old girl,leaving his wife and child or mother mary gave birth at the age of 12. i just mentioned it coz then u will know that it was common in that time and those days may be that age is matured enough to get marry.so i thought u will understand what i meant...but im wrong!!!

Hmm, Actually what I think is that you assumed since most of the people asking questions were Buddhists, you can attack them bringing this same issue with Buddha. However you have a point. But if you have read my posts in this thread you will see that I have agreed several times, that maybe by those days standards it was ok.
The original question in the thread is not that which you clearly missed. Let me clarify it to you.

(1) It seems that in some Muslim countries child marriages are carried out today.(This is done in non muslim countries also. But I'm talking about muslim countries. That is what this thread is about.)

(2) These child marriages in some cases, result in rape(According to todays laws), death (Both because of the bleeding from sex, and in child birth). There are plenty of news on this in the internet if you research.

(3) The Islamic leaders in some of these countries claim that Muhammad is their role model and since he married Aisha at the age of 6 it is ok to even marry a 1 year old girl.

Q1: What is your opinion of this? Is marrying a child(legally not an adult) ok today??

Q2: Why did Muhammad being a prophet of Allah, carry out such an act, knowing its bad effects in the future society?

Q3: For a non believer(Also for a believer if he dares to think for himself) does this not bring questions about the morality of Muhammad's actions? Does this not raise the question "Can such a person really be a prophet of GOD?"

it can be depend on the person but what when the parents decide to join their kids as monks in temple!! as u said in a post that what ever is correct u accept no matter of ur religion..so what u say about this????????

A was answering to your question about someone being single for his/her entire life. I just said its individual preference. If you are talking about making kids join temples as monks, I already said that it is wrong.

this must be stopped!! where its happening????? can u show some with proof and also whats the percentage??????? may be there are some cases in middle east but dont think its common in our religion

Hmm, when I said this must be stopped, I was talking about child monks in Sri Lanka. Are you talking here about child marriages of Islam? Are you asking for proof? I have links,videos and stuff, but anything from internet will not be concrete proof. It's upto you to decide whether there can be any truth in it. My logics says that these incidents appears to be true.

even if any 1 doing it its because of their lack of knowledge about islam.

That can be true.

so there are same incidents among non muslims as well like in india and bangeladesh..so do u mean to say that also because of prophet muhammed (s.a.w).

Not relevant to the topic.

ok...but we cant just blame the people for that.because i know when im in grade 9,they taught me also the lion matter in same way.

True.

also told that there were no any human before vijay.

Hmm, ok. So you assume, keweni is not a human? Fair enough, at least that is what's been taught.

i dont know why our history is always changing.if i ask my dad he will tell a totally different story of our history.,, who is correct?

History will always change because its the study of past, and its a story. But the facts will remain unchanged. If you think and apply reasonable logic you can get a fair understanding of what is correct and what is not. That is the only way. Also concrete scientific evidence will tell a lot to you.

Ex: It is easily understandable that a lion and a human can not mate and have a human child. So it is fair to assume that the story about the lion is a lie.

You know there's a chance that even you dad might not know the whole truth. So think for yourself.

even in our flag there is a lion know.

I know. As I mentioned, This is the sad part of it.

 

[AncientGlory]

ur kidding me by asking this.im serious!!

This is interesting and contradicts what I have learned so far about Islam. Just to be sure, are you talking about the laws for adultery or the complete law system?

 

[I love Srilanka]

Thank you for your answer and opinions. It seems like you cannot understand the simple fact that main reason for child marriages, in muslim countries is because people consider Muhammad as a role model.
This is a fact and whatever you say will not change facts. This surely questions the morality of the Muhammad's actions.

I dont think I dont understand.but You dont understand.If Prophet is role model why don't we follow marrying the widow as well.it is good for the society.come on man ! how can it be child marriages bec of prophet, even if i agree for sake of argument, why peoples are not following Prophet's other character and his doing as well. why only in child marriage??..I feel if everyone can follow prophet mohammed as role model in the right manner there won't b any problem in this current world.

I have asked what do you think about that? Your actions were, label me as an Anti-Islamist. Defend your prophets actions. Deny that those actions have no effect to today's society. You then compare Islam to a toilet, and you compare Buddhism and Christianity to a toilet. And you also say we don't do that. Does this 'we' stand for muslims? If so I have to ask, do you live in THIS world?


Why I called you as anti islamist I clearly mentioned you in my previous reply.I dont want to repeat here again..Im not clear about your Question Do u live in this world?

No I understand this. I just wanted to amuse myself of your Ignorance.

There was no Ignorance from my side

First, whatever the religion is Islam,Buddhism or Christianity don't compare it to a toilet.

I never compared to toilet, we muslims will never do likethat, as ex muslim ahmed and other buddhist brothers abuse islam. it is not that our prophet muhammed taught us, we have to respect other religion which is mentioned in quran and hadith as well.I needed to tell you for an example. it wasn't a abuse from my side..

Secondly, I do not have any scriptures. just because you need to study and utter words from scriptures, and believe whatever is written in them without any logic or reason, do not assume everyone has to do it.

Dear, we have already studied. we started our Quran study at the age of six and we know what is mentioned there..you keep on saying without a logic we follow islam it is not true. it may be applicable for u brothers as you people never touch even you scriptures apart from going to temple once in while. ask your budhist average person have he ever seen Buddhist scriptures, I doubt he would have even seen the scriptures.and more over you go back to your scriptures & translate your scriptures in language that your people know well.I feel lack of translation and not reaching the average people make them lack of understanding the buddhism.My request to you, that you also learn the buddhism & interpret in the right way and come to conclusion what logic it has and later on you can do same in Quran as well. which will give correct understanding as to what scriptures is logic.


Thirdly, because you were born to a religion and because you can not understand any other way, you assume that a religion is a must for someone. Get out of that limited frame. Some people are perfectly capable of thinking for themselves without having a book or some unknown being to guide them.

Then you dont send your children to school to study I assume they r capable of thinking themselves. see anyother way is what...see God writing will never b equal to humans writing book.that is why we always seek for Quran.


I have decided that I am in the correct path. I will always be seeking for truth. And I will continue to raise questions and discuss things in any religion that does not make sense. This is for two reasons, First to educate myself of why people think this way, and to know the facts. Then for once if someone decides to think for them selves, to give something for them to think about. What you think or how you label me plays no part in this at all. I don't really care at all. Clearly this is not for someone who cannot think for himself but for people who dare to cross that line.

I reiterated you that, Question can be asked on anything , bt i doubt your intension as you don't want to understand even single point of us.and keep on repeating same question by different ways. Good that you are in correct path.I congratulate you....Waht u mean by I always Seeking for truth...U meant to say that you are looking for truth from other religion as well.then you are not confident abt ur scriptures?? if no..what is your intension of your Questions on Prophet life and Islam???

Summary-
Your replies are same as your earlier question. My answers are neither accepted nor rejected by you based on the correct logic.but simply as per u, I am not understanding ,and you say it is simple fact(what fact???) that child abuse just bec prophet without any reason and proof.I Hope you don't have anything to say so you again wanted to stick with same question as your counter answers which is not at all impressed me.

 

[I love Srilanka]

I would like to answer to your some question which was posted to njsa.

(1) It seems that in some Muslim countries child marriages are carried out today.(This is done in non muslim countries also. But I'm talking about muslim countries. That is what this thread is about.)

If a child marriage is exist in Non islamic countries then why cant it exist in muslim countries??.it is obviously shows us it is NOT based on the religion but culture.


(2) These child marriages in some cases, result in rape(According to todays laws), death (Both because of the bleeding from sex, and in child birth). There are plenty of news on this in the internet if you research.

As I told earlier, Mayb earlier time physical nature of the girls would have been far better than now. only according to the todays law it is prohibited.

(3) The Islamic leaders in some of these countries claim that Muhammad is their role model and since he married Aisha at the age of 6 it is ok to even marry a 1 year old girl.

I dont Know which Islamic leader you r referring to..I never heard abt that.Do u talk about the video posted by ex muslim ahmed.I have not seen yet coz normally I dont see his threads as his post are lies and manipulation.anyway Let me check and come back to u later.


Q1: What is your opinion of this? Is marrying a child(legally not an adult) ok today??

As per today it may not be right and should be avoided.but still it depends on the countries. a European 10 year girl will looks like a 20year SL girl.

Q2: Why did Muhammad being a prophet of Allah, carry out such an act, knowing its bad effects in the future society?

It is already replied by me and I think even njsa replied u..

Q3: For a non believer(Also for a believer if he dares to think for himself) does this not bring questions about the morality of Muhammad's actions? Does this not raise the question "Can such a person really be a prophet of GOD?"
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Absolutely no.maybe u know only this action abt prophet muhammed.read abt Prophet mohammed life inshaallah you won't put a same question again.. I hope you know Prophet, Muhammad, is ranked one the most influential people in history in a book by Michael H. Hart.

 

[njsa]

AncientGlory:
Hmm, Actually what I think is that you assumed since most of the people asking questions were Buddhists, you can attack them bringing this same issue with Buddha. However you have a point. But if you have read my posts in this thread you will see that I have agreed several times, that maybe by those days standards it was ok.
The original question in the thread is not that which you clearly missed. Let me clarify it to you

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what your thinking is totally wrong.i never want to attack buddhism as i respect buddah as how i respect the great people like jesus,ghandhi...ect. i was trying to show u that it has happened past but no one highlighting it but y only about islam.so im not a hypocrite but clearly u r.i dont know ur a buddhist or not but see my reply agein.i mentioned that even mother mary gave at the age of 12.(i mean all who bringing this up)

It seems that in some Muslim countries child marriages are carried out today.(This is done in non muslim countries also. But I'm talking about muslim countries. That is what this thread is about.)

yes,there are some cases but its not even 1 percent u know.if anything take place it will come in bbc so the world thinks that this is common in these country which is not.but there are cases taking place among other religious followers of in other countries is nothing for them.prophets marriage is not to show that all should marry a nne year old but to show that we can marry our best friends daughter.as i mentioned earlier it considered as a sin.also her marriage bought many good things to islam.Her scholarly contributions to Islam, as well as her pious example, have earned her special status among the “Mothers of the Believers,”

(2) These child marriages in some cases, result in rape(According to todays laws), death (Both because of the bleeding from sex, and in child birth). There are plenty of news on this in the internet if you research.

yes...marring a person who is not matured enough is not correct.

(3) The Islamic leaders in some of these countries claim that Muhammad is their role model and since he married Aisha at the age of 6 it is ok to even marry a 1 year old girl.

yes...some do.but its because of their lack of knowledge or poverty.some used to engage their daughters early when they dont have enough wealth to take care of them.so they so this as a solution.

Q1: What is your opinion of this? Is marrying a child(legally not an adult) ok today??

i am not agree.its wrong marring a child who is not matured enough.we dont support it and its not the way of islam.

Q2: Why did Muhammad being a prophet of Allah, carry out such an act, knowing its bad effects in the future society?

i told the reasons many times,so i hope i dont have to repeat it.
his intention was not to encourage child marriages.but some took it in the wrong way.in our country 18 consider as adult and in some countries its 16.so like that its up the person and the culture.in some western countries at the age of 12 they give their daughters birth control pills.so they are not avoiding but protecting from pregnancy.

Q3: For a non believer(Also for a believer if he dares to think for himself) does this not bring questions about the morality of Muhammad's actions? Does this not raise the question "Can such a person really be a prophet of GOD?"

in ur mind u keep limitations as the god should be like this...a prophet should be like this..a mother should be like this.so if anything go against ur imagination u think how can this be a god!!or a prophet!! u want a nice god who forgive everything...a nice prophet who tell only sweet things but not talk about hell fire or the practical way.everything should be as easy as සීනිබෝල.
why he cant be the prophet of god????/is it because he married aysha (r.a) with her parents permission.

A was answering to your question about someone being single for his/her entire life. I just said its individual preference. If you are talking about making kids join temples as monks, I already said that it is wrong.

yes..its like same how our people (its not even 1 percent)doing child marriage who is not matured enough which is wrong.

Hmm, when I said this must be stopped, I was talking about child monks in Sri Lanka. Are you talking here about child marriages of Islam? Are you asking for proof? I have links,videos and stuff, but anything from internet will not be concrete proof. It's upto you to decide whether there can be any truth in it. My logics says that these incidents appears to be true.

yes but very few of them are doing it so u cant blame the whole muslims or the community for this.its true that their are news about it but they just highlighting these incidents u know. when anything happen like this in other religion its just nothing.si this is not a religious issue but a social issue.

Originally Posted by njsa
so there are same incidents among non muslims as well like in india and bangeladesh..so do u mean to say that also because of prophet muhammed (s.a.w).

Not relevant to the topic.

so its relevent to the topic.!!
True.

Hmm, ok. So you assume, keweni is not a human? Fair enough, at least that is what's been taught.

yes i learned about it in that way.and taught us that he left her with kids after knowing that she was a devil lately he bought a new queen baddekatchana from india.

History will always change because its the study of past, and its a story. But the facts will remain unchanged. If you think and apply reasonable logic you can get a fair understanding of what is correct and what is not. That is the only way. Also concrete scientific evidence will tell a lot to you.

future can be changed but how its possible" HISTORY WILL ALWAYS CHANGE!!"
its true that some can because of scientific evidence but our history is always changing every-time when the syllabus is changing.

Ex: It is easily understandable that a lion and a human can not mate and have a human child. So it is fair to assume that the story about the lion is a lie.

You know there's a chance that even you dad might not know the whole truth. So think for yourself.

yes and its not his mistake as well.thats what his teachers taught them. yes i always think myself and understood that its impossible in my grade 9 class and felt that its damn funny they teaching it.

 

[njsa]

This is interesting and contradicts what I have learned so far about Islam. Just to be sure, are you talking about the laws for adultery or the complete law system?

of-course,its same for male and female and the complete law system as well. so what u learned about islam is wrong....ur wrong!!

 

[I love Srilanka]

of-course,its same for male and female and the complete law system as well. so what u learned about islam is wrong....ur wrong!!

 

[Wal Bada]

i dont want to go out of topic or to defend my self.or even didnt try to reverse the question as many in ek do to attack islam.i dont have any problem in buddah marring a 16 year old girl,leaving his wife and child or mother mary gave birth at the age of 12. i just mentioned it coz then u will know that it was common in that time and those days may be that age is matured enough to get marry.so i thought u will understand what i meant...but im wrong!!!

Don't misinterpret things. Buddha did not marry. It was prince Siddhartha who married a 16 year old (not a child by today's standards). And prince Siddhartha was also 16, not 50 like Muhammed. If Muhammed had married Aisha before he became the prophet (or before he heard from the God), we would not have argued much about it, because he'd be a lay person by then. Same with prince Siddhartha, who was a lay person until he was 29, then became Buddha at 35 after enlightenment, or attaining Buddhahood. Buddhists follow Buddha, not prince Sidhdhartha. You are engaged on intellectual dishonesty when you say Buddha married at 16.