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    පොළොව උඩ
    වැරදියි,,, වැරදියි,, හැමෝම වැරදියි,,
    AC= Q^2 - 4Q + 214

    Quantity එක 10 යි නේ,,,
    ඉතින් units 10 ක Total Cost eka = 10 (Q^2 - 4Q + 214)
    TC = 10Q^2 - 40Q - 2140

    Total Cost function එකෙන් Marginal Cost Function එක ගන්න නම් Total Cost Function එක අවකලනය කරන්න ඕනා.. උසස් පෙළ ගණිත අංශයෙන් කරපු කස්ටිය සීන් එක දන්නවා ඇතිනේ??
    ඉතින් එහෙම අවකලනය කරාම එන MC Function එක;

    MC = 20Q - 40

    ඕක තමා නිවැරදි පිළිතුරු function එක..

    දැන් ඉතින් Quantity එක ඕකට දාන්න..
    MC = 20Q - 40
    MC = 20(10) - 40
    MC = 160
     
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    වැරදියි,,, වැරදියි,, හැමෝම වැරදියි,,
    AC= Q^2 - 4Q + 214

    Quantity එක 10 යි නේ,,,
    ඉතින් units 10 ක Total Cost eka = 10 (Q^2 - 4Q + 214)
    TC = 10Q^2 - 40Q - 2140

    Total Cost function එකෙන් Marginal Cost Function එක ගන්න නම් Total Cost Function එක අවකලනය කරන්න ඕනා.. උසස් පෙළ ගණිත අංශයෙන් කරපු කස්ටිය සීන් එක දන්නවා ඇතිනේ??
    ඉතින් එහෙම අවකලනය කරාම එන MC Function එක;

    MC = 20Q - 40

    ඕක තමා නිවැරදි පිළිතුර..

    ane ammioo .. me mokakda :shocked:
     

    Mal Aiyya

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    Peradeniya Mal Waththe...
    වැරදියි,,, වැරදියි,, හැමෝම වැරදියි,,
    AC= Q^2 - 4Q + 214

    Quantity එක 10 යි නේ,,,
    ඉතින් units 10 ක Total Cost eka = 10 (Q^2 - 4Q + 214)
    TC = 10Q^2 - 40Q - 2140

    Total Cost function එකෙන් Marginal Cost Function එක ගන්න නම් Total Cost Function එක අවකලනය කරන්න ඕනා.. උසස් පෙළ ගණිත අංශයෙන් කරපු කස්ටිය සීන් එක දන්නවා ඇතිනේ??
    ඉතින් එහෙම අවකලනය කරාම එන MC Function එක;

    MC = 20Q - 40

    ඕක තමා නිවැරදි පිළිතුර..


    ***explanation pending.***
     
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    maxXxa

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    No. You are wrong. If you think that differentiation of the TC curve will give you the equation of the MC curve, then VC must be a linear equation; plus you must have a TC curve equation that is common to both units 9 and 10, because your TC curve equation shows the TC value only for 10units. It will not compare the rate of change from the previous levels of output.

    Your approach is an option, but not in this case, but your logic of MC is correct.

    However, your answer to this question is completely wrong.

    hmm:eek:
     

    Tom Riddle

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    වැරදියි,,, වැරදියි,, හැමෝම වැරදියි,,
    AC= Q^2 - 4Q + 214

    Quantity එක 10 යි නේ,,,
    ඉතින් units 10 ක Total Cost eka = 10 (Q^2 - 4Q + 214)
    TC = 10Q^2 - 40Q - 2140

    Total Cost function එකෙන් Marginal Cost Function එක ගන්න නම් Total Cost Function එක අවකලනය කරන්න ඕනා.. උසස් පෙළ ගණිත අංශයෙන් කරපු කස්ටිය සීන් එක දන්නවා ඇතිනේ??
    ඉතින් එහෙම අවකලනය කරාම එන MC Function එක;

    MC = 20Q - 40

    ඕක තමා නිවැරදි පිළිතුරු function එක..

    දැන් ඉතින් Quantity එක ඕකට දාන්න..
    MC = 20Q - 40
    MC = 20(10) - 40
    MC = 160

    Oyaa oya karana de waradeee. Q=10 lakshayedi witharak awakalana sangunakaya ganna behene

    Oya widiyata karanawanam

    TC = (Q^2 - 4Q + 214)*Q
    = Q^3 - 4Q^2 + 214Q

    d(TC)/dQ = MC = 3Q^2 - 8Q + 214

    Then MC at 10 = 3*100 - 80 + 214 = 434 ???????????

    Ape kramei me kramei wenas. Eka hinda 1 kramene hari :D:D. Mama hari krame mokadda saha anith eke waradda mokadda kiyala thawa balala kiyannam. Eka paaratama meter wenne nehe.

    Thanks for pointing this out Pathum_madu
     
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    Mal Aiyya

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    Peradeniya Mal Waththe...
    වැරදියි,,, වැරදියි,, හැමෝම වැරදියි,,
    AC= Q^2 - 4Q + 214

    Quantity එක 10 යි නේ,,,
    ඉතින් units 10 ක Total Cost eka = 10 (Q^2 - 4Q + 214)
    TC = 10Q^2 - 40Q - 2140

    Total Cost function එකෙන් Marginal Cost Function එක ගන්න නම් Total Cost Function එක අවකලනය කරන්න ඕනා.. උසස් පෙළ ගණිත අංශයෙන් කරපු කස්ටිය සීන් එක දන්නවා ඇතිනේ??
    ඉතින් එහෙම අවකලනය කරාම එන MC Function එක;

    MC = 20Q - 40

    ඕක තමා නිවැරදි පිළිතුරු function එක..

    දැන් ඉතින් Quantity එක ඕකට දාන්න..
    MC = 20Q - 40
    MC = 20(10) - 40
    MC = 160

    Naha.Oka waradi. Ehema baluwoth hama output level eke ma 10 units walata ena cost structure eka ma ne enne. VC is non-linear
     

    Tom Riddle

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    I think I got it.

    In the very first answer (409) we assumed (incorrectly) the Total Cost formula to be linear

    Because we thought MC = [ TC(10) - TC(9) ]/1 . See that this is like taking the gradient of a straight line?

    But turns out this is not the case. TC is NOT a linear equation. So to get the proper gradient we HAVE to calculate the derivative.

    The derivative will yield the MC, and substituting 10 will give the answer.

    So in short, 434 is the correct answer.

    The reason we got 409 earlier is because the assumption that TC is linear is not a bad assumption. So we get an answer close to the real one.

    P.S - sorry for typing all this in English. I find typing in Sinhala a bit of a pain. e wunaata mata sinhala puluwan :yes:
     

    Mal Aiyya

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    I think I got it.

    In the very first answer (409) we assumed (incorrectly) the Total Cost formula to be linear

    Because we thought MC = [ TC(10) - TC(9) ]/1 . See that this is like taking the gradient of a straight line?

    But turns out this is not the case. TC is NOT a linear equation. So to get the proper gradient we HAVE to calculate the derivative.

    The derivative will yield the MC, and substituting 10 will give the answer.

    So in short, 434 is the correct answer.

    The reason we got 409 earlier is because the assumption that TC is linear is not a bad assumption. So we get an answer close to the real one.

    P.S - sorry for typing all this in English. I find typing in Sinhala a bit of a pain. e wunaata mata sinhala puluwan :yes:

    But MC is simply the change in TC / change in output, right?

    The linear and non-linear attribute of TC will not affect this example as our change in Q, is 1. So either way, it should be only the difference in the two TC's, right?.
     

    Pathum_madu

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    I think I got it.

    In the very first answer (409) we assumed (incorrectly) the Total Cost formula to be linear

    Because we thought MC = [ TC(10) - TC(9) ]/1 . See that this is like taking the gradient of a straight line?

    But turns out this is not the case. TC is NOT a linear equation. So to get the proper gradient we HAVE to calculate the derivative.

    The derivative will yield the MC, and substituting 10 will give the answer.

    So in short, 434 is the correct answer.

    The reason we got 409 earlier is because the assumption that TC is linear is not a bad assumption. So we get an answer close to the real one.

    P.S - sorry for typing all this in English. I find typing in Sinhala a bit of a pain. e wunaata mata sinhala puluwan :yes:


    Meka hari;;; 434 answer eka,, hadana steps tika man daala athi,,, Thanks hamotama,,:yes::yes::yes::yes:
     

    Tom Riddle

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    Meka hari;;; 434 answer eka,, hadana steps tika man daala athi,,, Thanks hamotama,,:yes::yes::yes::yes:

    මේක යකාගේ කතාවක්නේ! උඹේ වැරැද්ද කියලා හදන විදියත් දැම්මට පස්සේ හදන ක්‍රමේ දැම්මේ උඹ්යි කියලා කියන්නේ! මම කලින් කරපු එක එහෙමම කරලා ඊට පස්සේ තමන් ම කරා වගේ කියනවා:angry::angry:
     
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    But MC is simply the change in TC / change in output, right?

    The linear and non-linear attribute of TC will not affect this example as our change in Q, is 1. So either way, it should be only the difference in the two TC's, right?.


    No MC is NOT simply ( change in TC / change in output ). It is d(TC)/ dQ, which simplifies to ( change in TC / change in output ) when TC is linear.

    Remember when acceleration is linear we say (pasu pravegaya - pera pravegaya)/kaalaya, but if acceleration is not linear we say dV/dt. Something like that.

    But it beats me why they have defined MC like that. It seems much more practical to simply say the increase in cost because we produce an additional unit.
     

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    Oyaa oya karana de waradeee. Q=10 lakshayedi witharak awakalana sangunakaya ganna behene

    Oya widiyata karanawanam

    TC = (Q^2 - 4Q + 214)*Q
    = Q^3 - 4Q^2 + 214Q

    d(TC)/dQ = MC = 3Q^2 - 8Q + 214

    Then MC at 10 = 3*100 - 80 + 214 = 434 ???????????

    Ape kramei me kramei wenas. Eka hinda 1 kramene hari :D:D. Mama hari krame mokadda saha anith eke waradda mokadda kiyala thawa balala kiyannam. Eka paaratama meter wenne nehe.


    Thanks for pointing this out Pathum_madu

    Umba hari machan;; dan umbe post eka dakke;;
    Quantity eka deepu nisa poddak awul giya,, Q nodi Profit max karanna kiwwanam OK,, Anyway meka AL gaanak nemei,, Chartered Foundation gaanak,,
     

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    මේක යකාගේ කතාවක්නේ! උඹේ වැරැද්ද කියලා හදන විදියත් දැම්මට පස්සේ හදන ක්‍රමේ දැම්මේ උඹ්යි කියලා කියන්නේ! මම කලින් කරපු එක එහෙමම කරලා ඊට පස්සේ තමන් ම කරා වගේ කියනවා:angry::angry:


    කවුද බන් කිව්වේ මම දැම්මේ කියල,, මන් කිව්වේ Answer එක ලියන්න ඕන steps ටික දැම්ම කියල,, බලන එකාට තේරනව idea එක උඹේ කියල..
     

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    Umba hari machan;; dan umbe post eka dakke;;
    Quantity eka deepu nisa poddak awul giya,, Q nodi Profit max karanna kiwwanam OK,, Anyway meka AL gaanak nemei,, Chartered Foundation gaanak,,

    OK Sorry Bannata. :sorry: Umba awakalana kathaawa kiyanakam mata nikamatawath hitune nehe. E wunaata meka dapu kena awakalanaya ehema dannawada danne nehe. Uthtarenam den hari ethi :D.
     

    Mal Aiyya

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    Peradeniya Mal Waththe...
    No MC is NOT simply ( change in TC / change in output ). It is d(TC)/ dQ, which simplifies to ( change in TC / change in output ) when TC is linear.

    Remember when acceleration is linear we say (pasu pravegaya - pera pravegaya)/kaalaya, but if acceleration is not linear we say dV/dt. Something like that.

    But it beats me why they have defined MC like that. It seems much more practical to simply say the increase in cost because we produce an additional unit.

    Its like this, if this production function was linear, then we would have got the MC exactly because it is the same at every point. When you differentiate and get a value, it is the difference from 9.999999999999.... to the 10th point. That is mathematically therefore correct. But in economics, businessemen need change from unit to unit as there is no part of a unit produced or anything. So our method of finding MC is from the 9th to 10th unit Only.

    The method that gives us 409 is known as mid-point formula method, where we simply find the linear change from two distant points, but when you draw a curve, the change to the 10th point is not from 9, but from 9.9999999999...(recurring); this method is known as Arc gradient.

    Get it?
     
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