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Questions: How does the Qur’an’s Uniqueness make it a Divine and Miraculous text?
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Please read this for background information www.theinimitablequran.com

William Shakespeare, who was an English poet and playwright, widely regarded as the greatest writer in the English language, is often used as an example of unique literature. The argument posed is that if Shakespeare expressed his poetry and prose in a unique manner - and he is a human being - then surely no matter how unique the Qur’an is, it must also be from a human being.

However there are some problems with the above argument. It does not take into account the nature of the Qur’an’s uniqueness and it doesn’t understand the uniqueness of literary geniuses such as Shakespeare. Although Shakespeare composed poetry and prose that received an unparalleled aesthetic reception, the literary form he expressed his works in was not unique. In many instances Shakespeare used the common Iambic Pentameter (The Iambic pentameter is a meter in poetry. It refers to a line consisting of five iambic feet. The word "pentameter" simply means that there are five feet in the line.)

However in the case of the Qur’an, its language is in an entirely unknown and unmatched literary form. The structural features of the Qur’anic discourse render it unique and not the subjective appreciation of its literary and linguistic makeup.

With this in mind there are two approaches that can show that there are greater reasons to believe that the Qur’an is from the divine and a miraculous text. The first approach is rational deduction and the second is the philosophy of Miracles.

Rational Deduction

Rational deduction is the thinking process where logical conclusions are drawn from a universally accepted statement or provable premises. This process is also called rational inference or logical deduction.

In the context of the Qur’an’s uniqueness the universally accepted statement supported by eastern and western scholarship is:

“The Qur’an was not successfully imitated by the Arabs at the time of revelation”

From this statement the following logical conclusions can be drawn:

1. The Qur’an could not have come from an Arab as the Arabs, at the time of revelation, were linguists par excellence and they failed to challenge the Qur’an. They had even admitted that the Qur’an could have not come from a human being.

2. The Qur’an could not have come from a Non-Arab as the language in the Qur’an is Arabic, and the knowledge of the Arabic language is a pre-requisite to successfully challenge the Qur’an.

3. The Qur’an could not have come from the Prophet Muhammad due to the following reasons:

a. The Prophet Muhammad was an Arab himself and all the Arabs failed to challenge the Qur’an.
b. The Arabs linguists at the time of revelation never accused the Prophet of being the author of the Qur’an.
c. The Prophet Muhammad experienced many trials and tribulations during the course of his Prophetic mission. For example his children died, his beloved wife Khadija passed away, he was boycotted, his close companions were tortured and killed, yet the Qur’an’s literary character remains that of the divine voice and character. Nothing in the Qur’an expresses the turmoil and emotions of the Prophet Muhammad. It is almost a psychological and physiological impossibility to go through what the Prophet went through and yet none of the emotions are expressed in the literary character of the Qur’an.
d. The Qur’an is a known literary masterpiece yet its verse were at many times revealed for specific circumstances and events that occurred. However, without revision or deletion they are literary masterpieces. All literary masterpieces have undergone revision and deletion to ensure literary perfection, however the Qur’an was revealed instantaneously.
e. The hadith or narrations of the Prophet Muhammad are in a totally different style then that of the Qur’an. How can any human being express themselves orally over a 23 year period (which was the period of Qur’anic revelation) in two distinct styles? This is a psychological and physiological impossibility according to modern research.
f. All types of human expression can be imitated if the blueprint of that expression exists. For example artwork can be imitated even though some art is thought to be extraordinary or amazingly unique. But in the case of the Qur'an we have the blueprint - the Qur'an itself - yet no one has been able to imitate its unique literary form.

4. The Qur’an could not have come from another being such as a Jinn or Spirit because the basis of their existence is the Qur’an and revelation itself. Their existence is based upon revelation and not empirical evidence. Therefore if someone claims that the source of the Qur’an to be another being then they would have to prove its existence and in this case proving revelation. In the case of using the Qur’an as the revelation to establish Jinns existence then that would mean the whole rational deduction exercise would not be required in the first place, as the Qur’an would already have been established as a divine text, because to believe in Jinns existence would mean belief in the Qur’an in the first place.

5. The Qur’an can only have come from the Divine as it is the only logical explanation as all other explanations have been discarded because they do not explain the uniqueness of the Qur’an in a comprehensive and coherent manner.

Philosophy of Miracles

The word miracle is derived from the Latin word ‘miraculum’ meaning "something wonderful". A miracle is commonly defined as a violation of a natural law (lex naturalis); however this is an incoherent definition. This incoherence is due our understanding of natural laws, as the Philosopher Bilynskyj observes “…so long as natural laws are conceived of as universal inductive generalisations the notion of violation of a nature law is incoherent.”

Natural laws are inductive generalizations of patterns we observe in the universe. If the definition of a miracle is a violation of a natural law, in other words a violation of the patterns we observe in the universe, then an obvious conceptual problem occurs. The problem is: why can’t we take this perceived violation of the pattern as part of the pattern?

Therefore the more coherent description of a miracle is not a ‘violation’ but an ‘impossibility’. The Philosopher William Lane Craig rejects the definition of a miracle as a “violation of a natural law” and replaces it with the coherent definition of “events which lie outside the productive capacity of nature”.

What this means is that miracles are acts of impossibilities concerning causal or logical connections.

The Miraculous Qur’an

What makes the Qur’an a miracle, is that it lies outside the productive capacity of the nature of the Arabic language. The productive capacity of nature, concerning the Arabic language, is that any grammatically sound expression of the Arabic language will always fall within the known Arabic literary forms of Prose and Poetry.

The Qur’an is a miracle as its literary form cannot be explained via the productive capacity of the Arabic language, because all the possible combinations of Arabic words, letters and grammatical rules have been exhausted and yet the Qur’an’s literary form has not been imitated. The Arabs who were known to have been Arab linguists par excellence failed to successfully challenge the Qur’an. Forster Fitzgerald Arbuthnot who was a notable British Orientalist and translator states:

“…and that though several attempts have been made to produce a work equal to it as far as elegant writing is concerned, none has as yet succeeded.”[1]

The implication of this is that there is no link between the Qur’an and the Arabic language; however this seems impossible because the Qur’an is made up of the Arabic language! On the other hand, all the combinations of Arabic words and letters have been used to try and imitate the Qur’an. Therefore, it can only be concluded that a supernatural explanation is the only coherent explanation for this impossible Arabic literary form – the Qur’an.

When we look at the productive nature of the Arabic language to find an answer for the unique literary form of the Qur'an, we find no link between it and the divine text, thus making it an impossibility requiring supernatural explanation. So it logically follows that if the Qur’an is a literary event that lies outside the productive capacity of the Arabic language, then, by definition, it is a miracle.

[1] F. F. Arbuthnot. 1885. The Construction of the Bible and the Koran. London, p 5
 

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we are not attacking religion. we stand against terrorism and terrorists and people who try to destroy buddhism.

OK if you want to prove buddhism is wrong i suggest you to learn it for like 2, 3 years. its not just scriptures. its not just accepting something because someone has said so, lord buddha him self preached us to argue rationally on every thing we learn. Its completely different from following something blindly...:lol::lol:

finally.....same thing i have been saying....try walking in my shoes....

study Islam correctly...then you might have the right to say anything....you think Buddhism is the right and Lord Buddha is rational...i say Islam...the Quran and God is the same...if not better....:oo:
 

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finally.....same thing i have been saying....try walking in my shoes....

study Islam correctly...then you might have the right to say anything....you think Buddhism is the right and Lord Buddha is rational...i say Islam...the Quran and God is the same...if not better....:oo:

yeah... good luck with that brother... :D:D:D
 

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    finally.....same thing i have been saying....try walking in my shoes....

    study Islam correctly...then you might have the right to say anything....you think Buddhism is the right and Lord Buddha is rational...i say Islam...the Quran and God is the same...if not better....:oo:

    as you said yesterday some religions are a threat to the existence of Islam LOL :lol:

    please do answer above question of mine..
     

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    Wow. How puerile and immature can you get?

    This thread has been answered since morning , and this is the nature of some o fthe post ! Most of your questions have been posted a lot earlier ! If your read fro mteh beginning you wil see.
     

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    This thread has been answered since morning , and this is the nature of some o fthe post ! Most of your questions have been posted a lot earlier ! If your read fro mteh beginning you wil see.

    anyways signingg off for the day, hopefully
     

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    lol in that case i have been personally attacked many times in this thread alone...what does that tell you...

    well you post tells me something...Buddhists like you are biased...and only see what you want to see....so....:baffled:


    i have actually stopped to ur levels....:no::no::dull::(


    Of course everyone is biased towards their religion. Why in the world would you think it would be otherwise?

    The important thing is that our arguments are based on fact. Unlike your 'he said so' and 'it's in the Quran' type of arguments.

    And we are not trying to say that Allah is really the Sakra God. Blatant disrespect of religions of this sort should be condemned, for which this thread was started in the first place.

    You see, to come to our level you would have to jump, not stoop. :P:P
     

    diamonddrago

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    u say Church = State ? where does it say that?
    + which priests conduct the executions?
    This people was killed coz they was killers ..
    through ethal injection and 1 by electric chair

    please don't talk about things you do not know.....move on....

    but at every execution a Catholic priest is there to absolve the criminal of his sins....

    and this is in compliance with the christian law of capital punishment...


    electric chair....

    "The first person to be executed via the electric chair was William KemmlerEdwin Davis. The first 17-second passage of current through Kemmler caused unconsciousness, but failed to stop his heart and breathing. The attending physicians, Dr. Edward Charles Spitzka and Dr. Charles F. Macdonald, came forward to examine Kemmler. After confirming Kemmler was still alive, Spitzka reportedly called out, "Have the current turned on again, quick — no delay." in New York's Auburn Prison on August 6, 1890; the 'state electrician' was
    The generator needed time to re-charge, however. In the second attempt, Kemmler was shocked with 2,000 volts. Blood vessels under the skin ruptured and bled and his body caught fire."

    what do you say?...
     

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    Of course everyone is biased towards their religion. Why in the world would you think it would be otherwise?

    The important thing is that our arguments are based on fact. Unlike your 'he said so' and 'it's in the Quran' type of arguments.

    And we are not trying to say that Allah is really the Sakra God. Blatant disrespect of religions of this sort should be condemned, for which this thread was started in the first place.

    You see, to come to our level you would have to jump, not stoop. :P:P

    LMAO...the answer for this....is in the replies to my questions about Buddhism...go ahead read....

    is that what you call factual answers...?

    why do you think i asked those questions...coz i was curious about Buddhism....:lol::lol::lol:


    i tot at least some of you would have caught on....but....:no:

    and what you say here is right...you are biased toward your own religion and way of thinking....and the bottom line is my religion is not yours...and yours will never be mine....to me my religion is perfection...and to you yours is perfect....

    and other point i was trying to make...which i hoped you would think of on your own....you and me...we are humans...i have much humanity as you....yet you ppl blindly ignored that fact...and attacked Muslims again and again...
     
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    please don't talk about things you do not know.....move on....

    but at every execution a Catholic priest is there to absolve the criminal of his sins....

    and this is in compliance with the christian law of capital punishment...


    electric chair....

    "The first person to be executed via the electric chair was William KemmlerEdwin Davis. The first 17-second passage of current through Kemmler caused unconsciousness, but failed to stop his heart and breathing. The attending physicians, Dr. Edward Charles Spitzka and Dr. Charles F. Macdonald, came forward to examine Kemmler. After confirming Kemmler was still alive, Spitzka reportedly called out, "Have the current turned on again, quick — no delay." in New York's Auburn Prison on August 6, 1890; the 'state electrician' was
    The generator needed time to re-charge, however. In the second attempt, Kemmler was shocked with 2,000 volts. Blood vessels under the skin ruptured and bled and his body caught fire."

    what do you say?...

    ya please if you know educate me..
    Church = State ? where does it say that?
    + which priests conduct the executions?


    Kemmler murdered Tillie Ziegler, his common-law wife, with a hatchet on March 29, 1889 the same is in srilanka herd of the Police?

    yes thats only if he is a preset absolve christian him..
    even @ the death bed they do it..
    hope u know the Moto IN GOD WE BELIEVE.. (NOT THE EVIL ALLAH)
     
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    Well it wouldn't be too difficult to prove something to you would it. Seeing as you are ready to believe anything before thinking it out using your brain. :lol::lol:

    now what was it you said about personal attacks...:lol::lol:

    i have been doing this a long time....i have met people from all walks of life...saying things of all kinds....:oo:


    being a Muslim has taught me humility and tolerance...can you say the same about you and Buddhism?

    is this how you plan to achieve your nibbana attacking other religions and trying to ridicule others...or are you reserving it for another life time?...:lol:
     

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    ya please if you know educate me..
    Church = State ? where does it say that?
    + which priests conduct the executions?


    Kemmler murdered Tillie Ziegler, his common-law wife, with a hatchet on March 29, 1889 the same is in srilanka herd of the Police?

    huh?....

    so you think coz he murdered his wife with a hatchet like that him bleeding from all over his skin suffering
    major burns and dying with his tongue handing out is ok?....

    or was it wrong?

    lol....so if Christians do it....it is ok...if Muslims do the SAME thing....its wrong....

    did you know they don't just punish the criminals in Islam....they pray for his soul...and give him/her a heroes burial....here Christians chuck him into a bag and toss him out with the dirt....
     
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    LMAO...the answer for this....is in the replies to my questions about Buddhism...go ahead read....

    is that what you call factual answers...?

    why do you think i asked those questions...coz i was curious about Buddhism....:lol::lol::lol:

    Is that why you answered like this

    :yes: :yes: :yes:

    you helped clear some doubts i had dude...thanx....


    OK I do realize that not all replies would have been like this. There are Buddhists who act in an un-Buddhist manner. As there are Muslims like that (as you yourself said). I am not responsible for their actions, and do not condone them.

    But there are attempts to insult Buddhism. This of course angers Buddhists, as you would be angered if someone insulted Islam.

    I did not attack Muslims. But some things that you said (like killing someone because he did not accept Islam any more) were simply too ridiculous to be left unanswered.
     

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    Is that why you answered like this




    OK I do realize that not all replies would have been like this. There are Buddhists who act in an un-Buddhist manner. As there are Muslims like that (as you yourself said). I am not responsible for their actions, and do not condone them.

    But there are attempts to insult Buddhism. This of course angers Buddhists, as you would be angered if someone insulted Islam.

    I did not attack Muslims. But some things that you said (like killing someone because he did not accept Islam any more) were simply too ridiculous to be left unanswered.

    but i did answer them.....but i guess for a person of another religion it would be difficult to accept....

    for that i am sorry....

    but once again...it was primarily used as a way of stopping hypocrites trying to harm the Prophet and Islam....
     

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    now what was it you said about personal attacks...:lol::lol:

    i have been doing this a long time....i have met people from all walks of life...saying things of all kinds....:oo:


    being a Muslim has taught me humility and tolerance...can you say the same about you and Buddhism?

    is this how you plan to achieve your nibbana attacking other religions and trying to ridicule others...or are you reserving it for another life time?...:lol:

    I thought you were specialists at eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. I began answering in this forum hoping for an educated debate.

    It will be further proved to you when you see that I was the first one to post a civil question to your other thread 'learn about Islam'. Because I was curious to hear your arguments.

    Once you had changed it into a mud slinging exercise, I also 'stooped to your level'.

    I did not reply in such a manner before your reply claiming my 'egotistical need' to be right. As they say 'you started it'

    It is not the Buddhist thing to do. But I'm not perfect, and I do feel the need to counterattack when someone is attacking me.

    As you are doing. No Difference.

    And you keep on saying I attacked your religion. I attacked killing and punishing people severely for trivial reasons and insulting other religions.

    Nothing else
     

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    huh?....

    so you think coz he murdered his wife with a hatchet like that him bleeding from all over his skin suffering
    major burns and dying with his tongue handing out is ok?....

    or was it wrong?

    lol....so if Christians do it....it is ok...if Muslims do the SAME thing....its wrong....

    did you know they don't just punish the criminals in Islam....they pray for his soul...and give him/her a heroes burial....here Christians chuck him into a bag and toss him out with the dirt....

    Capital punishment in Sri Lanka
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Sri_Lanka
    Capital punishment in Russia
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Russia
    Capital punishment in Europe
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Europe


    well this is some thing different..
    they dont execute you if you change your religion..
    if you rape a person.
    if you wife does not cover up her body..
    No Stoning to death if a girl had sex before marriage


    This is Way Different.. THIS IS A LAW ..NOT A RELIGON..

    @ least they are given a 2nd chance.. Do u know how Meany cops die on a day for shooting? by a man? are all they executed??
     
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    Capital punishment in Sri Lanka
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Sri_Lanka
    Capital punishment in Russia
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Russia
    Capital punishment in Europe
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Europe


    well this is some thing different..
    they dont execute you if you change your religion..
    if you rape a person.
    if you wife does not cover up her body..
    No Stoning to death if a girl had sex before marriage


    This is Way Different.. THIS IS A LAW ..NOT A RELIGON..

    @ least they are given a 2nd chance.. Do u know how Meany cops die on a day for shooting? by a man? are all they executed??

    dude you are a joke ! Your just mocking yourself, stop for your sake !

    This was all adressed before , and there is not death for for girls who dont cover up and there is no stoning to death for man or woman before marriage ! For adultery yes , but for before marriage its different ! Anywyz done with you and your lameness
     
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