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  • "taking as allies".....don't bring your non-sense way of understanding here....

    it says not to take allies of them....as in don't trust them even if you sign a peace treaty with them....

    and nope....no matter how many times you say...i know my religion.....it says to respect your parents no matter who they are...and to do as they wish...except when it comes to things regarding religion....

    i have to ask you to show me where you found these things your saying....
    So that means even if they are your parents you re not sure of them if they are non-believers? If parents are regrded so highly they should be regarded higher than a non-related believer. But it's not the case, You can twist and turn, but the fact remains. Don't trust kaffirs even if they are parents. Then you come and preacj about respect. Non-trust is the biggest disrespect.
     

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    There is an inherent evil in the words of the Koran, jumping out from every page, which you cannot find in the Gospels or the Geeta or the Dhammapada.
    You are correct to say that a wicked Hindu does not mean that Hinduism is evil. You are correct to say that a wicked Christian does not mean that Christianity is evil.
    But in the case of Islam, even if EVERY MUSLIM IN THE WORLD WERE THE MOST RIGHTEOUS, gentle, kind and charitable people, the Koran would STILL be evil. The Koran would be evil EVEN IF NO Muslims existed on the face of the earth.
    This is because the beliefs and values which the
    Koran expresses are inherently evil and hateful and spiteful. The Koran describes Allah as a capricious being who damns and blesses whoever he feels like, and intentionally deceives the majority of "unbelievers", stopping their ears, blinding their eyes, MOCKING THEM, and consigning them to eternal torture with no hope of reform, while the righteous slop like pigs at a trough in a paradise of rivers of wine, and unlimited sexual pleasures with supernatural Houri virgins.
    Any religion that portrays God in this fashion is evil and monstrous.
    ISLAMIC HELL-TORTURE CHAMBER FOR UNBELIEVERS
    This article describes the Islamic Hell or Jahannum which was an imagination of Prophet Mohammed used primarily for two reasons:
    To have a torture chamber for all the kafirs (unbelievers and people of other religions)
    To terrorize people into accepting Islam.
    The purpose of Hell in Islam is not to punish the Muslim wrong-doers. Because, for them Mohammed will recommend paradise, beautiful virgins and young boys on the Day of Judgment. His recommendation is final and Allah cannot deny it. It is available to all murderers, rapists, arsonists, cheats, thugs, pickpockets and pimps provided they are following Islam.
    On the contrary, a flaming Hell is reserved only for all Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians, no matter how pious and God-fearing they may have been.
    This article is divided in two sections. The first section deals with the brutal instructions Prophet Mohammed gives to his followers about Kafirs and how to torture, maim and murder them ruthlessly.
    The second section explains the various procedures devised by Prophet Mohammed's sick imagination for torturing people of other religions in Hell.
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    Instructions to Muslims about Unbelievers
    Koran 9:29 Fight those who do not profess the true faith (Islam) till they pay the jiziya (poll tax) with the hand of humility.
    So here Prophet Mohammed is instructing a true Muslim to fight people of other religions until the unbelievers debase themselves and pay tax for their existence. So the greatness of Islam is revealed only when followers of other religions are humiliated.
    Koran 8:12 Remember Thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the believers, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them." Here Mohammed is giving step by step instruction on how to torture and kill Kafirs if they don't follow Islam.
    Koran 9:5 "Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."
    In the above verse Prophet Mohammed is clearly instructing his followers to kill the idolaters in any brutal way possible until the idolaters submit themselves to Islam. Allah is indeed merciful !!
    Koran 9:73 Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their Home: an evil fate.
    Here Mohammed is trying to justify his brutal acts. He conveniently claims divine justification for the expression of his hatred by saying Allah himself revealed to him personally that people of other religions are evil and belong in Hell. Therefore, according to Mohammed any barbaric act against the unbelievers is completely justified.
    Koran 4:144 Believers, do not choose the unbelievers rather than the faithful as your friends. Would you give Allah a clear proof against yourselves ?
    This verse clearly states that a Muslim can only befriend a Muslim. Mohammed in order to ensure that his followers will not befriend and get influenced by people of other religions, revealed this verse. This verse illustrates that if a Muslim befriends a Non-Muslim than the wrath of Allah will be on him. Therefore in Islam, people of other religions should be treated with contempt,disrespect and cruelty.
    Koran 47:4 When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly. Then grant them their freedom or take ransom from them, until War shall lay down her burdens.
    In the above verse, Mohammed is giving detailed instruction about how to maim and torture unbelievers in Jihad. And finally when the Muslims are satisfied enough after torturing and maiming the unbelievers, they should proceed to demand ransom for the captives. All for the sake for all-merciful Allah !!
    Koran 5:33-34 The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom; Save those who repent before ye overpower them. For know that
    Allah is Forgiving, merciful.
    In this verse, Mohammed devises another recipe for torturing unbelievers. This particular recipe involves chopping off alternate limbs and expelling the Kafirs (people following other religions) out of the land.
    Instructions to Muslims regarding Christians and Jews
    Prophet Mohammed has reserved special position for certain sects of Unbelievers in his so called "Holy Book" Koran. Those unbelievers are none other than followers of Christianity and Judaism. I have selected few verses from Koran to display what Muslims are taught and instructed as far as treating Christians and Jews is concerned.
    Koran 5:51 Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship shall become one of their number. Allah does not guide the wrong-doers.
    In this verse Prophet Mohammed is clearly instructing his followers never to befriend a Christian or a Jew. Because if they take a Christian or a Jew as a friend, they will commit a wrong deed and Allah's wrath will be on them.
    Koran 5:57 Believers, do not seek the friendship of the infidels and those who were given the Book before you, who have made your religion a jest and a pastime... Here "those who were given the Book before you" refers to Christians and Jews. Once again Mohammed is warning Muslims of all time never to befriend a Christian or a Jew.
    Koran 5:64The Jews say: 'God's hand is chained.' May their own hands be chained! May they be cursed for what they say!... In the above verse Prophet Mohammed is showing his deep respect for the Jews.
    Koran 9:29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last day, nor hold the forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jiziyah with willing submission. And feel themselves subdued.
    Here 'People of the Book' refers to Christians and Jews. The 'Religion Of Truth' refers to Islam. So in the above verse Prophet Mohammed is instructing Muslims to fight and torture Christians and Jews (who do not believe in Islamic version of God) until they pay tax to Muslims for their existence. Muslims are also strictly instructed to make the Christians and Jews feel 'subdued'. Allah is truly benign !!!
    Koran 9:30 The Jews call 'Uzayr-a son of God', and the Christians call 'Christ the Son Of God'. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but intimate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth.
    Here Prophet Mohammed is wishing that Allah's curse be on Jews and Christians. And what did the Christians and Jews do for such special favour from Allah ? All they did is that out of respect and love, they called their Prophets 'son of God'.
    Islamic Hell and Unbelievers
    Now we will enter the Islamic Hell brought into existence by Mohammed's hallucination and weird imagination.
    Koran 98:1-8 The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures.
    Here "People of The Book" refers to Christians and Jews. So according to Prophet Mohammed, Christians, Jews and pagans are the vilest of all creatures in the world. Islam in deed holds a high respect for people of other religions !!
    Koran 22:19-22:23 Garments of fire have been prepared for the unbelievers. Scalding water shall be poured upon their heads, melting their skins and that which is in their bellies. They shall be lashed rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they try to escape from Hell, back they shall be dragged, and will be told: 'Taste the torment of the Conflagration!'
    Here Mohammed has imagined vividly how people of other religions will be punished in Hell. By his sick and disgusting imagination, he is trying to make sure that people of other religions convert to Islam out of sheer terror of Hell. And if this terror doesn't work, then the Muslims are always instructed to convert unbelievers to Islam brutally by force in Jihad.
    Koran 18:28-30 For the wrongdoers We have prepared a fire which will encompass them like the walls of a pavilion. When they cry out for help they shall be showered with water as hot as molten brass, which will scald their faces. Evil shall be their drink, dismal their resting-place.
    Who are the "wrong-doers" here ? None other than the people who DO NOT follow Islam. So Prophet Mohammed here continues with his hallucination and gives the description of Islamic Hell in the form of a revelation.
    Koran 40:67-40:73 Do you not see how those who dispute the revelation of God turn away from the right path ? Those who have denied the Book and the message We sent through Our apostles shall realize the truth hereafter: when, with chains and shackles round their necks, they shall be dragged through scalding water and then burnt in the fire of Hell.
    Prophet Mohammed here explains what will happen to those people who choose NOT to follow his revelation "Quran"- a manual of plunder, rape and murder. So for people of other religions following scriptures other than Quran, Allah has pre-planned punishment. First they shall be dragged through scalding water with chains around their necks and then they will be burnt in the fire of Hell. Allah is truly merciful !!
    Koran 43:74 ..The unbelievers shall endure forever the torment of Hell. The punishment will never be lightened, and they shall be speechless with despair. We do not wrong, themselves.
    Mohammed was not satisfied by just having burnt the unbelievers once in Hell. So here he is saying that the punishment is never-ending and people following other religions will be burnt in Hell forever.
    Koran 55:41-52 ..That is the Hell which the unbelievers deny. They shall wander between fire and water fiercely seething. Which of your Lord's blessing would you deny ?
    Koran 76:1-5 For the unbelievers We have prepared chains and fetters and a blazing Fire...
    Koran 73:12 We have in store for the unbelievers heavy fetters and a blazing fire, choking food and harrowing torment: on the day when the earth shall quiver with all its mountains, and the mountains crumble into heaps of shifting sand.
    Once again, in the above verses, Mohammed is emphasizing that heavy fetters, choking food and hell fire are in store for the unbelievers while the Muslims enjoy the beautiful virgins and young boys in Islamic Paradise.
    Koran 77:20-77:50 Woe on that day to the disbelievers! Begone to the Hell which you deny! Depart into the shadow that will rise high in three columns, giving neither shade nor shelter from the flames, and throwing up sparks as huge as towers, as bright as yellow camels...Eat and enjoy yourselves awhile. You are wicked men..."
    In the above verse, Prophet Mohammed is making sure that the people of other religions do not get any shade or shelter when they are burnt up in the Islamic Hell. Allah is also revealing to him that all people other than Muslims are basically wicked in nature.
    Koran 8:73 The unbelievers give aid and comfort to each other. If you fail to do likewise, there will be disorder in the land and great corruption.
    The Great Mohammed divided the Arabian society in two tight compartments: Momins and Kafirs. The word momin means believer in Mohammed and Allah. In contrast a kafir is a non-believer. The momins did not have to be better men than the Kafirs in terms of character or consciousness. Momins had only to recite the Kalima (incantation)- "there is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his Prophet." By doing that the 'momins' become qualified to kill as many kafirs as they could or pleased, looting and burning their belongings and enslaving their women and children in the process. In the above verse, Prophet Mohammed once again is telling his followers to help each other in banning up against unbelievers (people of other religions)
    Koran 21:96-21:101 ..The unbelievers shall stare in amazement, crying: 'Woe to us! Of this we have been heedless. We have done wrong.' You and your idols shall be the fuel of Hell; therein you sall all go down.
    This verse is another instance which displays the deep respect Islam shows towards other religions. Here Prophet Mohammed is stating that people who choose to represent God by idols will be burnt in hell along with their idols. Islam is truly compassionate towards other religions !!
    Koran 33:7-12 ...But for the unbelievers He has prepared a woeful punishment... Here, we find the same old blabbering by Mohammed once again regarding how unbelievers will be punished.
    Koran 44:40-49 ..The fruit of the Zaqqum tree shall be the unbelievers's fruit. Like dregs of oil, like scalding water, it shall simmer in his belly. A voice will cry: 'Seize him and drag him into the depths of Hell. Then pour out scalding water over his head, saying: "Taste this, illustrious and honorable man! This is the punishment which you have doubted."
    Koran 52:1-52:15 ..On that day they shall be sternly thrown into the fire of Hell, and a voice will say to them: 'This is the Fire which you denied...Burn in its flames. It is the same whether or not you show forbearance. You shall be rewarded according to your deeds.'
    Koran 31-37 And burn ye him in the blazing fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits. This was he that would not believe in allah Most high and would not encourage the feeding of the indignant. So no friend hath he here this day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds.
    Koran 56:52-56 Ye shall surely taste of the tree Zaqqum. Then will ye fill your insides therewith, and drink boiling water on top of it. Indeed ye shall drink like diseased camels raging with thirst. Such will be their entertainment on the day of Requital!
    Koran 69:30-37 We shall say: 'Lay hold of him and bind him. Burn him in the fire of Hell, then fasten him with a chain seventy cubits long. For he did not believe Allah the tremendous, and urged not on the feeding of the wretched. Today he shall be friendless here; filth shall be his food, the filth which sinners eat...
    The above five verses contain detail description of various kinds of punishments people of other religions will undergo in Islamic Hell. They display the true respect Prophet Mohammed had for people who were not following Islam. And through these verses, Koran (the manual for plunder, rape and murder) which is treated as a timeless scripture by Muslims, teaches how lowly people of other religions should be treated by Muslims regardless of time or space.
    Koran 2:39 Those who reject faith shall be the companions of the Fire.
    Koran 2:89-90 The curse of Allah is on the unbelievers... humiliating is the punishment.
    Koran 13:13 ..He hurls his thunderbolts at whom he pleases Yet the unbelievers wrangle about Allah..
    Koran 58:5 Those who resist Allah and his messenger will be humbled to dust.
    Koran 70:15-16 The fire of Hell will pluck out his being right to the skull..
    Koran 5:10 As for those who disbelieve and deny Our revelations, they are the heirs of Hell.
    The summary of the above six verses is that a person following any religion other than Islam, is automatically assigned to Hell. His good thoughts, good actions or piety are of no value until and unless he follows Islam. So if in this life, a person does not follow Islam and does not believe in Islamic scripture, Allah will store Hell-Fire, Hot water, Molten brass, thunderbolts and other humiliating punishments in the life hereafter for him.
    Koran 70:39 We have created the unbelievers out of base matters.
    So here Prophet Mohammed claims that all the people of other religions are basically useless and evil because they are made up of base matters. But the same people become Allah's favorite and become capable of earning Houris and young boys when they convert to Islam.
    It is fascinating to observe that nowhere in the
    Gita or Ramayan or Vedas or Upanisads or Dhammapada of the Buddha, does one encounter threats against other paths or creeds.


    The
    Koran is filled with hate and threats on every page, and very little that is really spiritual. The entire reward for being a devout Muslim is described as an eternity of rivers of wine and sex with supernatural Houris.
    The
    Koran seems to be an instruction manual for murderers, looters, terrorists, bigots, tyrants, and oppressors.
     

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    So that means even if they are your parents you re not sure of them if they are non-believers? If parents are regrded so highly they should be regarded higher than a non-related believer. But it's not the case, You can twist and turn, but the fact remains. Don't trust kaffirs even if they are parents. Then you come and preacj about respect. Non-trust is the biggest disrespect.

    lol.....like i said don't try to teach me my religion....

    "We have enjoined upon man goodness toward his parents: his mother bore him by bearing strain upon strain, and his weaning is within two years. Be grateful toward Me and toward your parents, with Me all journeys end. Yet should they (your parents) endeavor to make you ascribe divinity, side by side with Me to something of which you have no knowledge, then do not obey them. But even then bear them company with kindness in the life of this world and follow the path of those who turn toward me." (Surah Luqman 31:14-15)

    Asmaa’ bint Abu Bakr was the Prophet’s sister-in-law. She was the daughter of his closest companion and the sister of Aisha, his wife. Her mother, however, did not become a Muslim for quite a long time.Asmaa’ states: “My mother came to me during the time of the Prophet (Pbuh), hoping to get something from me. I asked the Prophet (Pbuh) whether I should be kind to her. He answered: “Yes,”
    (Related by Al-Bukhari, Muslim and others).
     

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    Originaly posted by Mr.Perfect

    lol....nearly 80% of the Quran is about helping the needy....being kind to your fellow man...and worshiping God...and you hand pick these.....

    try posting verses 2 steps up and down from the verses you have here....:lol::lol::lol:

    for example.... if you take Koran 5:10 posted in that quote

    Surah 5:08 >
    "O ye who believe! stand out firmly for Allah, as witnesses to fair dealing, and let not the hatred of others to you make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just: that is next to piety: and fear Allah. For Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do."

    Surah 05:09 > "To those who believe and do deeds of righteousness hath Allah promised forgiveness and a great reward."

    Surah 5:10 the one you posted> "Those who reject faith and deny our signs will be companions of Hell-fire."(similar translational sorry can put from exact ur transnation too)

    Surah 05:11 > "O ye who believe! Call in remembrance the favour of Allah unto you when certain men formed the design to stretch out their hands against you, but (Allah) held back their hands from you: so fear Allah. And on Allah let believers put (all) their trust."

    Surah 05:12 > "Allah did aforetime take a covenant from the Children of Israel, and we appointed twelve captains among them. And Allah said: "I am with you: if ye (but) establish regular prayers, practise regular charity, believe in my messengers, honour and assist them, and loan to Allah a beautiful loan, verily I will wipe out from you your evils, and admit you to gardens with rivers flowing beneath; but if any of you, after this, resisteth faith, he hath truly wandered from the path or rectitude."


    oh look how magically the meaning changes......:lol::lol:
     
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    Muhammad(pbuh) had never beat his wives.....all his wives had said he is very tender and attentive towards them.....


    My response:
    Muhammad had personally beaten Bibi Aisha, his fevorite wife.
    Don't you believe this?
    Here is a Hadis from Sahih Muslim that clearly says that Muhammad punched Aisha:
    When sleeping with Aisha Muhammad surreptitiously left his bed and went to the graveyard at Baqi; Aisha spied and followed Muhammad; when Muhammad learned Aisha’s misdeed he hit her (beat her) on her chest that caused much pain to Aisha…4.2127
    Book 004, Number 2127: Muhammad b. Qais said (to the people): Should I not narrate to you (a hadith of the Holy Prophet) on my authority and on the authority of my mother? We thought that he meant the mother who had given him birth. He (Muhammad b. Qais) then reported that it was 'A'isha who had narrated this: Should I not narrate to you about myself and about the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him)? We said: Yes. She said: When it was my turn for Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) to spend the night with me, he turned his side, put on his mantle and took off his shoes and placed them near his feet, and spread the corner of his shawl on his bed and then lay down till he thought that I had gone to sleep. He took hold of his mantle slowly and put on the shoes slowly, and opened the door and went out and then closed it lightly. I covered my head, put on my veil and tightened my waist wrapper, and then went out following his steps till he reached Baqi'. He stood there and he stood for a long time. He then lifted his hands three times, and then returned and I also returned. He hastened his steps and I also hastened my steps. He ran and I too ran. He came (to the house) and I also came (to the house). I, however, preceded him and I entered (the house), and as I lay down in the bed, he (the Holy Prophet) entered the (house), and said: Why is it, O 'A'isha, that you are out of breath? I said: There is nothing. He said: Tell me or the Subtle and the Aware would inform me. I said: Messenger of Allah, may my father and mother be ransom for you, and then I told him (the whole story). He said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you? She said: Whatsoever the people conceal, Allah will know it. He said: Gabriel came to me when you saw me. He called me and he concealed it from you. I responded to his call, but I too concealed it from you (for he did not come to you), as you were not fully dressed. I thought that you had gone to sleep, and I did not like to awaken you, fearing that you may be frightened. He (Gabriel) said: Your Lord has commanded you to go to the inhabitants of Baqi' (to those lying in the graves) and beg pardon for them. I said: Messenger of Allah, how should I pray for them (How should I beg forgiveness for them)? He said: Say, Peace be upon the inhabitants of this city (graveyard) from among the Believers and the Muslims, and may Allah have mercy on those who have gone ahead of us, and those who come later on, and we shall, God willing, join you.
    End of Hadis quote.
    Not only that Muhammad, in verse 4:34, asked men to beat their wives, he, at his last days, during last pilgrimage sermon, exhorted men to treat women as domestic animals, deny them food (when necessary, to discipline them) and and to beat them (just like the Bedouin Arab barbarians were used to beating their cattle).
    Very outrageous? You do not believe this?
    Here is the excerpt from Tabari:
    “Now then, O people, you have a right over your wives and they have a right over you. You have [the right] that they should not cause anyone of whom you dislike to tread your beds, and that they should not commit any open indecency (fahishah). If they do, then God permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain from [evil], they have the right to their food and clothing in accordance with custom (bi’l-maruf). Treat women well, for they are [like] domestic animals (‘awan) with you and do not possess anything for themselves. You have taken them only as a trust from God, and you have made the enjoyment of their persons lawful by the word of God, so understand and listen to my words, O people. I have conveyed the Message, and have left you with something which, if you hold fast to it, you will never go astray; that is, the Book of God and the sunnah of His Prophet. Listen to my words, O people, for I have conveyed the message and understand [it]. Know for certain that every Muslim is a brother of another Muslim, and that all Muslims are brethren. It is not lawful for a person [to take] from his brother except that which he has given him willingly, so do not wrong
    Reference:
    Al-Tabari, Abu Ja’far Muhammad b. Jarir. The History of al-Tabari. Vol.IX:
    The Last Years of the Prophet. Translated and annotated by Ismail K. Poonawala. State University of NewYork Press, Albany, 1990 (pages 112-114)

    Want more?
    Here is Umar al Khattab, preaching that a man is not obliged to tell the reason of beating a woman:
    Sunaan Abu Dawud:
    A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife...11.2142
    Book 11, Number 2142: Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife.
    Beat your wife if she is insolent but do not beat her like a slave-girl...1.0142
    This Hadis is quite long; I quoted only the relevant part:
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    I (the narrator Laqit) then said: Messenger of Allah, I have a wife who has something (wrong) in her tongue, i.e. she is insolent. He said: Then divorce her. I said: Messenger of Allah, she had company with me and I have children from her. He said: Then ask her (to obey you). If there is something good in her, she will do so (obey); and do not beat your wife as you beat your slave-girl. I said: Messenger of Allah, tell me about ablution. He said: Perform ablution in full and make the fingers go through the beard and snuff with water well except when you are fasting.
    End of Hadis quote
    ....And I can keep going pages after pages elucidating examples to demonstrate how Islam invokes the beating of women whenever necessary (albait in the name of disciplining her).
    Are the Islamic apologists ashamed of their dearest religion, Islam? Of course, they are. That is why they have to run helter-skelter to turn the 'beaing' verse into a 'kissing' verse.
    Very clever ploy indeed. But this tactic is bound to fail. The world is already aware of the 'golden' treatment women in Islam.
     

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    oh i love this..once again from Bishop's quotes....Koran 9:29

    Koran 09:27 > Again will Allah, after this, turn (in mercy) to whom He will: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

    Koran 09:28 > O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. And if ye fear poverty, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.

    Koran 09:29 the one posted > Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

    Koran 09:30 > The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

    Koran 09:31 > They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One Allah: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him).

    another magical transformation.....:lol::lol::lol:
     

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    yes but the most who believe are the nuts who also think there will be some very big war where Muslim will join under Jesus to kill people...:lol::lol::lol:

    and who think Neil Armstrong heard the azan on the moon and became a Muslim....:dull::lol::lol:

    there is no such support for such tall tales in the Quran....:oo:

    so personally i don't believe it....coz Muslims are only supposed to believe what is in the Quran....and what is supported by Hadiths...

    its only because Muslims don't even know their own religion these days that people like Osama can rise....and almost the whole world is turned against us....:oo:


    Ithor Dr Zakir naik is wrong or Your Wrong





    well @ last he says tha massage given by jesus was beeing corrupt..
    so as the massage given by Mohammad...So God can send another prophet any time.. Right? Dont think with the Koran Think with another Angle..
    God can do any thing right? He is amazing right?
     

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    My response:
    Muhammad had personally beaten Bibi Aisha, his fevorite wife.
    Don't you believe this?
    Here is a Hadis from Sahih Muslim that clearly says that Muhammad punched Aisha:
    When sleeping with Aisha Muhammad surreptitiously left his bed and went to the graveyard at Baqi; Aisha spied and followed Muhammad; when Muhammad learned Aisha’s misdeed he hit her (beat her) on her chest that caused much pain to Aisha…4.2127
    Book 004, Number 2127: Muhammad b. Qais said (to the people): Should I not narrate to you (a hadith of the Holy Prophet) on my authority and on the authority of my mother? We thought that he meant the mother who had given him birth. He (Muhammad b. Qais) then reported that it was 'A'isha who had narrated this: Should I not narrate to you about myself and about the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him)? We said: Yes. She said: When it was my turn for Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) to spend the night with me, he turned his side, put on his mantle and took off his shoes and placed them near his feet, and spread the corner of his shawl on his bed and then lay down till he thought that I had gone to sleep. He took hold of his mantle slowly and put on the shoes slowly, and opened the door and went out and then closed it lightly. I covered my head, put on my veil and tightened my waist wrapper, and then went out following his steps till he reached Baqi'. He stood there and he stood for a long time. He then lifted his hands three times, and then returned and I also returned. He hastened his steps and I also hastened my steps. He ran and I too ran. He came (to the house) and I also came (to the house). I, however, preceded him and I entered (the house), and as I lay down in the bed, he (the Holy Prophet) entered the (house), and said: Why is it, O 'A'isha, that you are out of breath? I said: There is nothing. He said: Tell me or the Subtle and the Aware would inform me. I said: Messenger of Allah, may my father and mother be ransom for you, and then I told him (the whole story). He said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you? She said: Whatsoever the people conceal, Allah will know it. He said: Gabriel came to me when you saw me. He called me and he concealed it from you. I responded to his call, but I too concealed it from you (for he did not come to you), as you were not fully dressed. I thought that you had gone to sleep, and I did not like to awaken you, fearing that you may be frightened. He (Gabriel) said: Your Lord has commanded you to go to the inhabitants of Baqi' (to those lying in the graves) and beg pardon for them. I said: Messenger of Allah, how should I pray for them (How should I beg forgiveness for them)? He said: Say, Peace be upon the inhabitants of this city (graveyard) from among the Believers and the Muslims, and may Allah have mercy on those who have gone ahead of us, and those who come later on, and we shall, God willing, join you.
    End of Hadis quote.
    Not only that Muhammad, in verse 4:34, asked men to beat their wives, he, at his last days, during last pilgrimage sermon, exhorted men to treat women as domestic animals, deny them food (when necessary, to discipline them) and and to beat them (just like the Bedouin Arab barbarians were used to beating their cattle).
    Very outrageous? You do not believe this?
    Here is the excerpt from Tabari:
    “Now then, O people, you have a right over your wives and they have a right over you. You have [the right] that they should not cause anyone of whom you dislike to tread your beds, and that they should not commit any open indecency (fahishah). If they do, then God permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain from [evil], they have the right to their food and clothing in accordance with custom (bi’l-maruf). Treat women well, for they are [like] domestic animals (‘awan) with you and do not possess anything for themselves. You have taken them only as a trust from God, and you have made the enjoyment of their persons lawful by the word of God, so understand and listen to my words, O people. I have conveyed the Message, and have left you with something which, if you hold fast to it, you will never go astray; that is, the Book of God and the sunnah of His Prophet. Listen to my words, O people, for I have conveyed the message and understand [it]. Know for certain that every Muslim is a brother of another Muslim, and that all Muslims are brethren. It is not lawful for a person [to take] from his brother except that which he has given him willingly, so do not wrong
    Reference:
    Al-Tabari, Abu Ja’far Muhammad b. Jarir. The History of al-Tabari. Vol.IX:
    The Last Years of the Prophet. Translated and annotated by Ismail K. Poonawala. State University of NewYork Press, Albany, 1990 (pages 112-114)

    Want more?
    Here is Umar al Khattab, preaching that a man is not obliged to tell the reason of beating a woman:
    Sunaan Abu Dawud:
    A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife...11.2142
    Book 11, Number 2142: Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife.
    Beat your wife if she is insolent but do not beat her like a slave-girl...1.0142
    This Hadis is quite long; I quoted only the relevant part:
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    I (the narrator Laqit) then said: Messenger of Allah, I have a wife who has something (wrong) in her tongue, i.e. she is insolent. He said: Then divorce her. I said: Messenger of Allah, she had company with me and I have children from her. He said: Then ask her (to obey you). If there is something good in her, she will do so (obey); and do not beat your wife as you beat your slave-girl. I said: Messenger of Allah, tell me about ablution. He said: Perform ablution in full and make the fingers go through the beard and snuff with water well except when you are fasting.
    End of Hadis quote
    ....And I can keep going pages after pages elucidating examples to demonstrate how Islam invokes the beating of women whenever necessary (albait in the name of disciplining her).
    Are the Islamic apologists ashamed of their dearest religion, Islam? Of course, they are. That is why they have to run helter-skelter to turn the 'beaing' verse into a 'kissing' verse.
    Very clever ploy indeed. But this tactic is bound to fail. The world is already aware of the 'golden' treatment women in Islam.


    too much here...but i agree...it is there....

    in Islam you may beat your wife....lightly upon the legs and chest....if they were being too imposing on you....and were doing things like gossiping and back biting others and don't stop when told etc (gossiping and backing biting are considered major sins in Islam)....


    but it is also told to beat them as if a child.....not painfully....
    :baffled:

    i know it sounds illogical (for the lack of correct words)...but consider this...


    Explanation (tafsir) of Sura 4:34
    “Men are the support of women as God gives some more means than others, and because they spend of their wealth (to provide for them). So women who are virtuous are obedient to God and guard the hidden as God has guarded it. As for women you feel are averse, talk to them suasively; then leave them alone in bed (without molesting them) and go to bed with them (when they are willing). If they open out to you, do not seek an excuse for blaming them. Surely God is sublime and great.”


    Surah An-Nisaa' [The Women] 4:34
    Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has made one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support them) from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient (to Allah and to their husbands), and guard in the husband's absence what Allah orders them to guard (e.g. their chastity, their husband's property, etc.). As to those women on whose part you see ill­conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful), but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allah is Ever Most High, Most Great.
     
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    Ithor Dr Zakir naik is wrong or Your Wrong



    well @ last he says tha massage given by jesus was beeing corrupt..
    so as the massage given by Mohammad...So God can send another prophet any time.. Right? Dont think with the Koran Think with another Angle..
    God can do any thing right? He is amazing right?

    Dr.Zakir is talking about a second coming....:oo::oo:

    hmm...but Dr said it was as a witness as in the Surah i gave about it....so either Jesus does come...i dunno...i never found anything in the Quran saying Jesus was coming to earth....:no:

    if Dr.zakir was allowed into sri lanka i would certainly ask him that question....:nerd::nerd:

    any way the thing about corruption is about the message of Jesus (Pbuh)...not that Jesus himself is corrupted....the Injeel he said is one of the 4 book God sent to Earth.....the Quran being the last and final....

    the Injeel was corrupted and turned into the "old testament" by Christians and Jews...that is the corruption he is saying....
     

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    too much here...but i agree...it is there....

    in Islam you may beat your wife....lightly upon the legs and chest....if they were being too imposing on you....and were doing things like gossiping and back biting others and don't stop when told etc (gossiping and backing biting are considered major sins in Islam)....


    but it is also told to beat them as if a child.....not painfully....
    :baffled:


    By means of BEATING of course – what else could we expect from Muhammad?
    Muhammad said: “…So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them.”Koran 4:34


    Muhammad said “STRIKE (BEAT) THEM”


    NOT “Lightly”

    NOT “With a miswak”

    NOT “With a feather”

    NOT “Symbolically”


    Muhammad just said “BEAT THEM”


    when he wasn’t satisfied with his little child-wife Aisha“…He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you?”
     
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    Dr.Zakir is talking about a second coming....:oo::oo:

    hmm...but Dr said it was as a witness as in the Surah i gave about it....so either Jesus does come...i dunno...i never found anything in the Quran saying Jesus was coming to earth....:no:

    if Dr.zakir was allowed into sri lanka i would certainly ask him that question....:nerd::nerd:

    any way the thing about corruption is about the message of Jesus (Pbuh)...not that Jesus himself is corrupted....the Injeel he said is one of the 4 book God sent to Earth.....the Quran being the last and final....

    the Injeel was corrupted and turned into the "old testament" by Christians and Jews...that is the corruption he is saying....


     

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    [SIZE=small]As he did himself[/SIZE][SIZE=small] when he wasn’t satisfied with his little child-wife Aisha“…He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you?”[/SIZE]

    i guess you just repeated that...can't read properly but i can see you mentioned that ayesha felt the pain.....:dull:

    i have no answer for this....give me evidence of the prophet hitting his wives other than this one....
     

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    Muslims cannot prove Islam has much to offer. Because islam doe not have anything good enough and true to offer.

    Salvation in Islam is uncertain unlike Christianity's. Muslims never have assurance of salvation except probably through martyrdom in a jihad read Sura 9:20-22. Islam teaches that at the end of your life, Allah weighs your good works against your bad works on a scale. In general, if your good works are adequate, you get to heaven Sura 23:103. But even then it is not assured because Allah can let anyone in he chooses Sura 9:15, 27. Muhammad himself expressed doubts about his own salvation Bukhari 5:266, 9:131. Why is that? Was he not close to god?

    Women. Why is a man is given the right to beat his disobedient wife until she obeys read Sura 4:34, Bukhari 8:68. Muhammad himself beat his own wife is documented in the Sahih Muslim Hadith, number 2127. The Arabic word for beat is the same word as how you would treat a slave or a camel. Bible does not command such things.

    Nature of God. Why is it somehow impossible to know the Islamic god and why is it impossible for this god to intervene on nehalf of his people though human form.
     

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    Muslims cannot prove Islam has much to offer. Because islam doe not have anything good enough and true to offer.

    Salvation in Islam is uncertain unlike Christianity's. Muslims never have assurance of salvation except probably through martyrdom in a jihad read Sura 9:20-22. Islam teaches that at the end of your life, Allah weighs your good works against your bad works on a scale. In general, if your good works are adequate, you get to heaven Sura 23:103. But even then it is not assured because Allah can let anyone in he chooses Sura 9:15, 27. Muhammad himself expressed doubts about his own salvation Bukhari 5:266, 9:131. Why is that? Was he not close to god?

    Women. Why is a man is given the right to beat his disobedient wife until she obeys read Sura 4:34, Bukhari 8:68. Muhammad himself beat his own wife is documented in the Sahih Muslim Hadith, number 2127. The Arabic word for beat is the same word as how you would treat a slave or a camel. Bible does not command such things.

    Nature of God. Why is it somehow impossible to know the Islamic god and why is it impossible for this god to intervene on nehalf of his people though human form.

    LMAO...you copy and pasted that from a christian site....right?...:lol::lol:

    i remember reading it....:lol:

    In Islam we don't have salvation....not in that term.....salvation is the christian term to mean Jesus(pbuh) died for their sins...and that humans are not responsible for what they do....as God won't punish them....

    and according ot this salvation....if they say i believe in Jesus...they have a free license to do anything...and not be punished....:lol::lol:

    in Islam we are responsible for what we do....even a Muslim if he does wrong...and hurts others unnecessarily he will be punished for it....if they do good....they will be rewarded....simple no.....

    just like karma....except we all get nibbana and freedom when we die...as only get one life cycle round....and karma is God waiting with the punishment or reward....:lol::lol:

    from the surah you quoted.....09:20


    Surah 09:19 > Do ye make the giving of drink to pilgrims, or the maintenance of the Sacred Mosque, equal to (the pious service of) those who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and strive with might and main in the cause of Allah? They are not comparable in the sight of Allah: and Allah guides not those who do wrong.

    Surah 09:20 > Those who believe, and suffer exile and strive with might and main, in Allah's cause, with their goods and their persons, have the highest rank in the sight of Allah: they are the people who will achieve (salvation).

    Surah 09:21 > Their Lord doth give them glad tidings of a Mercy from Himself, of His good pleasure, and of gardens for them, wherein are delights that endure:

    surah 09:22 > They will dwell therein for ever. Verily in Allah's presence is a reward, the greatest (of all).


    where is this quote about Jihad?.....:confused:
     
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    i guess you just repeated that...can't read properly but i can see you mentioned that ayesha felt the pain.....:dull:

    i have no answer for this....give me evidence of the prophet hitting his wives other than this one....

    ***Muslim Book 4, Number 2127: (This is a long hadith where Aisha describes how she covered her head, put on her veil, etc and follows Mohammad outside at night to a graveyard and hurries back before him ...)
    “..He said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you? ....
     

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    ***Muslim Book 4, Number 2127: (This is a long hadith where Aisha describes how she covered her head, put on her veil, etc and follows Mohammad outside at night to a graveyard and hurries back before him ...)
    “..He said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you? ....

    that is the same incident....:oo:

    is there no other instances where the prophet himself beats any of his wives...other than this one?...i personally can't see any from the wives perspectives....their message on the prophet's treatment of them...

    the google search shows results where everything is swallowed up by anti-Islam messages....:dull::oo:
     

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    that is the same incident....:oo:

    is there no other instances where the prophet himself beats any of his wives...other than this one?...i personally can't see any from the wives perspectives....their message on the prophet's treatment of them...

    the google search shows results where everything is swallowed up by anti-Islam messages....:dull::oo:


    සහෝදරයා... ඔයා මුස්ලිම්ද?:oo::dull:
     
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