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sri_lion

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Yeah that was the same reaction when people said the earth was round and not flat for the first time ! and that doesnt negate the other 85 percent of what has become true , the 15 percent hasnt been proved untrue but prophecized

We are long way off from saying earth is flat..

Anyway... when the day comes that sun would rise from the other side there won't be any of us left on earth for Allah to have a judgement day, everything on earth are evolved to thrive on planet's current attributes.. there's won't be any humans to witness what you saying here..

Besides, there are lot of erroneous verses in Quran, that now we know of, that probably suited 5th century mindsets.. definitely not 21st century..

Prophets says.. when sun is setting it goes underneath god's throne.. if earth is god's throne where is he? :rolleyes:

Narrated Abu Dhar:
The Prophet asked me at sunset, "Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know better." He said, "It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the west. And that is the interpretation of the Statement of Allah: "And the sun Runs its fixed course For a term (decreed). that is The Decree of (Allah) The Exalted in Might, The All-Knowing." (36.38)

- 4.54.421

Here's more..

It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor does the night outstrip the day. They all float, each in an orbit.
- 36:39

Looks like Prophet or Allah himself forgot to read earth's manual :lol: they forgot that in polar areas of earth day does outrun night.. and vise versa!

This also means.. that prophet thought sun is orbiting the earth... oopsi! :lol:

More...

It is Allâh Who has created seven heavens and of the earth the like thereof (i.e. seven).
- 65:12

So in our solar system how many planets according to Quran? 7

How many actually we have? 8 normal planets + 5 dwarf planet = 13 (almost double the amount Quran says)

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These are just a few there's more.. but for those who have the right mindset these are more than enough to see the nature of Quran.. what's more hilarious is that some people trying to overlap Quran and science and justify Quran is the most scientific religion of all time... like Dr. Motta Naik! :lol:

So your saying srilanka should have just sit back and let LTTE occupy the lands and let them run riot and we could all keep forgiving them ?

Well yeah its punishment is not hate , its rectification and justice. Your concept sounds flowery and good but it is far from practical ! If people are given that incentive then social stability and justice cannot prevail ! I mean how can you stand by and let everyone that robs whats rightfully yours getaway or some one kill , rape your family members or loved ones !? If there are no consequences then your giving them incentive ! Your right in the sense that in you can forgive them if you want , thats infact recommened in islam as well but it is your right not to as well , and for that there should be consequences for reasons mentioned above.

Practicality doesn't always mean that it's the right thing to do... it only means that it's easier to do.. a Maruti car is affordable and practical but does that mean a Ferrari is a piece of shit? just because you cannot afford it? :lol:

The answer you your question is in the question itself.. you are asking whether or not Sri Lanka should've stopped the war, Sri Lanka is not Buddhism.

Sri Lanka is a country the word Sri Lanka is born out of political reasons, Sri Lankan constitution is not Buddhism (as in Sri Lanka doesn't take verses out of Tripitaka to rule the country), according to Buddhism YES you should not wage war on anyone.. violence of any form should be avoided... the more you struggle the more grief it cause to you.. why are we fighting back? because we love our country our heritage, our culture..... and guess what.. these are the things we hold dear and this is exactly what Buddhism says the more you like things the more you suffer.. hence there's middle path for you!

Sri Lanka and Buddhism are two different things! You cannot judge Sri Lanka's actions by Buddhism!

Well it doesnt matter in concept its the same. your torment in hell ' is being lost in reincarnation ' and ours is as described in Quran !

NO It's not.. because your torment in its literal sense is torment.. in Buddhism if you don't mind getting reincarnated then it doesn't really matter, its really up to you, reincarnation is NOT a punishment from anyone..

Well its not torture! Its the penalty and ask any rape victim or a father of a molested child what he thinks when such sacred rights of an individual have been violated ! Islam corelates that individual and society , the society is responsible for the individual and the individual to the society ! These stern laws are placed so that the individual has his just right to a secure society and the society serves justice to the person whose rights have been violated

And besides the concept of total forgiveness , and no consequence is flawed because in countries with even lenient punishment like US and the west , crime rate is the highest and in countries where atleast these parts of islamic law is implemented crimes rate is very very low.

Chopping off a limb is not torture? says who? why don't you try it out and if you think it would be a walk in the park let me know! :lol:

Like I said.. US may have the highest crime rates but they also rehab many of them back to society as normal people, sure there will cases that comes back but success is higher then failure.. but the good thing is the offender admit him/herself wrong and finds their inner potential and goes back to the society as someone whom can contribute to it!

You talk about forgiveness, then the ultimate forgiveness should be this.. even if someone does wrong to you, you pardon them instead of seeking revenge in the form of justice.. it's a hard thing to do.. but it's the right thing to do!!

How is that stealing ? Stealing means taking property by stealth and unlawfully from its proper place ! This is spoils of war from battlefield ! Totally different circumstance , dont try to play same old trick of painting it in different light

Who you kidding? can you read those verses again please.. you do understand English don't you?

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Cutting of hand is not to be inflicted on one who plunders, but he who plunders conspicuously does not belong to us.

- Dawud :: 38-4378

What does "plunder" means? please go and check the dictionary.... if plundering doesn't mean stealing then I don't know what is!

... Hands are not to be cut off during a warlike expedition. Had it not been so, I would have cut it off.

- Dawud :: 38-4394

WHY? when there's war... if someone is stealing its not consider stealing? what a joke.... :lol: please explain in detail.. thank you!

Is the cause of free will mentioned ? The cause of creation ? Its funny how you point to 'the unicorns and angels' in Quran whilst ignoring the scientific and historical facts (through which we muslims base our rational faith) and yet you beleive in this invisible force of karma and the billions and billions of gods who lesser beings around in the universe ! And might i also pose your question back to you 'if you beleive in karma, then is this the same karma that kills children and infants in tsunami?

Firstly, it wasn't me who talked about unicorns in the 1st place.. ask from the person who bought it up.. not me.. I was just answering it!

And I've already mentioned about the "scientific" facts of Quran above... :lol: so I hope you can justify those first before talking about science through Islam! :lol:

So what exactly is the cause of free will? you still did not justify the free will by god...

As for our understanding free will is free without any clauses the thing that you talk about cannot be free will because it just approves only one thing and at the end it becomes a cause to treat people differently according to their "free" will.. then this is not free will... this is a dictatorship... as simple as that!

If GOD want to give free will then he should treat all good people equally on judgement day regardless what faith they followed.. now that's real free will!!!

Because then god will only look at the good you've done regardless of your faith..

And might i also pose your question back to you 'if you beleive in karma, then is this the same karma that kills children and infants in tsunami?

YES! according to Buddhism its the same Karma (karma is cause and effect), according to Buddhism its the "fault" nature of earth caused the effect of a Tsunami that killed those children and infants... no mysterious almighty here...

P.S: I was expecting an answer to this in my previous reply... why Allah doesn't even allow dis-believers to talk on judgement day..

On that Day, woe to the unbelievers! This is the Day on which they will not say a single word, nor will they be allowed to offer any excuses. On that Day, woe to the unbelievers! (Surat al-Mursalat, 34-37)
 

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Well ive told you , God says he will not forgive the sin of associating partners with HIM so whoever does , will not. Its again the same thing like i said how a 'meat eating' devout mosque going muslim will not be able to achieve nirvana or whoever doesnt accept jesus as their saviour will not go to heaven.

Lets take a scenario here..

Can someone like mother Theresa go to Islam heaven?

If NO: then how did GOD judged her?

If YES: I'll ask you my next question in my next reply.. :)

Well we say there wouldnt be that many people needing rehab if sterner laws were in place. Prevention is better than cure and this only reflects a portion of the ones that got through rehab , and by releasing them back into society again we are still taking a chance with the women of society ! There is no assurance that it wont happen again

Now one of the main reasons that rehabbed people get end up back in jail is that society fails to forgive them... they hate them instead... guess what you will get by hating someone usually they'll hate you back... its a cycle vividly explained in Buddhism.. if you are the point that the cycle breaks you break the whole thing!

You believe in chopping limbs to get the message across.. fine! so be it! but the forgiveness that you talks about just becomes ever so conditional.. and there would still be room for you to take revenge... spread more hate.. and that's the Buddhism sees it!

I've already talked about this in the earlier reply.. looks like we are going no where with it!

Im citing common examples.If it is commonly widespread and normal its not my fault.It doesnt have psychological effects and ive seen it personally.Step siblings getting along perfectly fine ! Even co wives!

Yes polygamy is addressed in the Quran where God permits us 4 wives but only if we can deal justly between them.

How many families you've seen? let's now... take your own theory about Siddartha here... one family might not have problems doesn't mean that all families are the same... there's bound to be conflict of interests.. we all have conflict of interests polygamy only add fuel to fire.. you cannot deny it!

Ive answered this before as well.The marriage was done at 6 but consumated at 9 ! You keep saying child marriages child marraiges , ive told you the seperating point of boy/gir' man/woman in islam ! Just because sidhartha married a woman 16 it doesnt mean its un heard of ! And besides none of his enemies at that time had a problem with that or pointed it out , up until the recent past where so called 'modernity' with their varying moral standards comes in. Kids were married off as soon as they hit puberty not as long as 100 years ago.

It was you who said imagine 9 year olds 1400 years ago.. the only thing you meant there was 9 year olds at that time were well equipped mentally and physically to be get into a married life... in contrast I said even as far as 2500 year ago they married at the age of 16.... no big deal!

But like you asked me that Siddartha married at the age 16 doesn't mean that marriages below that age never happened... yes it maybe true... but now I'm asking you back.. though Prophet married a 6 year old it doesn't mean that it was morally right to do it at that time.. by today's law Prophet Mohommad is a paedophile!

And yeah i can show you 23 year old women with teddy bears and grown up who still watch cartoons ! Doesnt change the fact that they still adults !

Dont be silly... even if a 23 year old play with dolls she's got 23 years of life experience and a physical strength of a 23 year old woman..

Quran doesn't provide an accounts or statistics of how many young females had issues or even death as a result of teen marriage/pregnancy etc.

Here I quote from this article that talks about teen pregnancy

Premature birth and low birth weight create a wealth of their own problems, including brain damage, physical disabilities and more. The potentially lengthy hospital stay and increased risk of health problems for these babies leads to more stress on the teen mother.

Mind you these problems exist even in the modern era where have 21st century technology, it can only get worse in the 5th century with a 9 year old!

All the wisdom of Prophet or Allah couldn't see this?

Allah wants you to chop off a limb because he doesn't want you to take the risk of having more criminals but he is willing to risk complications of teenage pregnancies which will not only have long and short term effects for the mother but also the child..

It's a JOKE!

The link ive posted a few pages back answers this , about the coherence of evil and the existence of God.The lenghty articled by hamza tzortzis.

That's the question I had after reading the link you gave me

And the purpose of our creation is to worship by living and enjoying life as per guidlelines set by God !

Ok so god created us to worship him... what does GOD get out of that?

He had the power to create anything in this universe including the universe itself.... I mean literally everything.. then why he created us and make us worship him? for fun? :lol:

If not for fun he must have some reason why we should worship him, he must be getting something of our prayers... perhaps something that he cannot create all by himself?

But could that be? because he suppose to be able to create anything and everything...

If we existed, and if god appears and tells us if you live as I say I can guarantee you heaven.. then it makes some sense, but this is different.. he creates us and send us to heaven or hell... why? He certainly could have chose not to create us... there must be a reason for this... CONFUSING! :baffled:
 

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    Hey Man People Can be good Just for name , but they are too bad from inside...


    THATS TRUE BROTHER.... THOSE KIND KIND OF PEOPLE ARE IN EVERY RELIGION... IF YOU WANT TO STUDY ISLAM... READ THE TRANSLATION OF QURAN... DONT LOOK AT THE PEOPLE WHO FOLLOW IT... CZ ONCE IF U TRY TO MEASURE A RELIGION BY FEW CORRUPTED PEOPLE.... AM SORRY WE CANT JUSTIFY ANY RELIGION...

    BTW EVEN LORD BUDDAH RESPECTED OTHERS OPINIONS... SO Y DNT U FOLLOW UR LORD & RESPECT OTHER RELIGION??? WE RESPECT ALL BELIEFS CZ ITS APART OF ISLAM... SO Y DNT U STICK TO UR RELIGION??? YES U CAN PROTEST IF THE SPEAKER HAS INSULTED THE BUDDISM, BUT HE IS NOT.

    AKON INSULTED THE BUDDISM, BUT HOW MANY THOUSANDS OF BUDDIST LOVES HIM??? DENMARK INSULTED OUR PROPHET [PBUH], WE AVOIDED DENMARK PRODUCT. MASSIVE PROTESTS ARE ORGANIZED ACROSS THE WORLD...

    SO IF YOU TRY TO LOOK AT THE TERRORIST & SAY ISLAM IS CORRUPTED... WE LOOK AT UR DR.MERVYN & SAY BUDDIST IS DISGUSTING....
     

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    lol..sounds like any buddhist EK member...who says things like this about Akon's video...and the pic of that girl kissing the Buddha statue....:lol::lol:

    i don't think i have to post them here for ppl to remember....:P

    Post everything....what you got..... That cartoon, shows the real truth. And it is a shame, that your people spend money for those conferences to show that Buddhism is a fake. Spend those money, and help the people who are suffering in middle east.

    None of them have seen the allah. But they, criticize other religions. S h a m e........... !!!
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    පර්ෆෙක්ට් අයියා නිකන් මඩ ගහන්න එපා, රිලිජං ඔෆ් පීස් එකෙන් ඔහොම කරන්නේ නෑ :D
     

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    We are long way off from saying earth is flat..

    Anyway... when the day comes that sun would rise from the other side there won't be any of us left on earth for Allah to have a judgement day, everything on earth are evolved to thrive on planet's current attributes.. there's won't be any humans to witness what you saying here..

    Besides, there are lot of erroneous verses in Quran, that now we know of, that probably suited 5th century mindsets.. definitely not 21st century..

    Prophets says.. when sun is setting it goes underneath god's throne.. if earth is god's throne where is he? :rolleyes:



    Here's more..



    Looks like Prophet or Allah himself forgot to read earth's manual :lol: they forgot that in polar areas of earth day does outrun night.. and vise versa!

    This also means.. that prophet thought sun is orbiting the earth... oopsi! :lol:

    More...



    So in our solar system how many planets according to Quran? 7

    How many actually we have? 8 normal planets + 5 dwarf planet = 13 (almost double the amount Quran says)

    800px-Planets2008.jpg


    These are just a few there's more.. but for those who have the right mindset these are more than enough to see the nature of Quran.. what's more hilarious is that some people trying to overlap Quran and science and justify Quran is the most scientific religion of all time... like Dr. Motta Naik! :lol:



    Practicality doesn't always mean that it's the right thing to do... it only means that it's easier to do.. a Maruti car is affordable and practical but does that mean a Ferrari is a piece of shit? just because you cannot afford it? :lol:

    The answer you your question is in the question itself.. you are asking whether or not Sri Lanka should've stopped the war, Sri Lanka is not Buddhism.

    Sri Lanka is a country the word Sri Lanka is born out of political reasons, Sri Lankan constitution is not Buddhism (as in Sri Lanka doesn't take verses out of Tripitaka to rule the country), according to Buddhism YES you should not wage war on anyone.. violence of any form should be avoided... the more you struggle the more grief it cause to you.. why are we fighting back? because we love our country our heritage, our culture..... and guess what.. these are the things we hold dear and this is exactly what Buddhism says the more you like things the more you suffer.. hence there's middle path for you!

    Sri Lanka and Buddhism are two different things! You cannot judge Sri Lanka's actions by Buddhism!



    NO It's not.. because your torment in its literal sense is torment.. in Buddhism if you don't mind getting reincarnated then it doesn't really matter, its really up to you, reincarnation is NOT a punishment from anyone..



    Chopping off a limb is not torture? says who? why don't you try it out and if you think it would be a walk in the park let me know! :lol:

    Like I said.. US may have the highest crime rates but they also rehab many of them back to society as normal people, sure there will cases that comes back but success is higher then failure.. but the good thing is the offender admit him/herself wrong and finds their inner potential and goes back to the society as someone whom can contribute to it!

    You talk about forgiveness, then the ultimate forgiveness should be this.. even if someone does wrong to you, you pardon them instead of seeking revenge in the form of justice.. it's a hard thing to do.. but it's the right thing to do!!



    Who you kidding? can you read those verses again please.. you do understand English don't you?



    What does "plunder" means? please go and check the dictionary.... if plundering doesn't mean stealing then I don't know what is!



    WHY? when there's war... if someone is stealing its not consider stealing? what a joke.... :lol: please explain in detail.. thank you!



    Firstly, it wasn't me who talked about unicorns in the 1st place.. ask from the person who bought it up.. not me.. I was just answering it!

    And I've already mentioned about the "scientific" facts of Quran above... :lol: so I hope you can justify those first before talking about science through Islam! :lol:

    So what exactly is the cause of free will? you still did not justify the free will by god...

    As for our understanding free will is free without any clauses the thing that you talk about cannot be free will because it just approves only one thing and at the end it becomes a cause to treat people differently according to their "free" will.. then this is not free will... this is a dictatorship... as simple as that!

    If GOD want to give free will then he should treat all good people equally on judgement day regardless what faith they followed.. now that's real free will!!!

    Because then god will only look at the good you've done regardless of your faith..



    YES! according to Buddhism its the same Karma (karma is cause and effect), according to Buddhism its the "fault" nature of earth caused the effect of a Tsunami that killed those children and infants... no mysterious almighty here...

    P.S: I was expecting an answer to this in my previous reply... why Allah doesn't even allow dis-believers to talk on judgement day..

    A sidenote - A testamentfrom PEOPLE OF SCIENCE ! Most of them non muslims

    Keith L. Moore


    Professor Emeritus, Department of Anatomy and Cell Biology, University of Toronto. Distinguished embryologist and the author of several medical textbooks, including Clinically Oriented Anatomy (3rd Edition) and The Developing Human (5th Edition, with T.V.N. Persaud).



    Prof. Moore presenting his research in Cairo.

    Investigations in to the 'alaqa or leech-like stage.

    Pro. Moore investigating the 'alaqah or leech stage.



    Investigations into the leech stage.

    Dr. Moore was a former President of the Canadian Association of Anatomists, and of the American Association of Clinical Anatomists. He was honoured by the Canadian Association of Anatomists with the prestigious J.C.B. Grant Award and in 1994 he received the Honoured Member Award of the American Association of Clinical Anatomists "for outstanding contributions to the field of clinical anatomy."


    "For the past three years, I have worked with the Embryology Committee of King cAbdulaziz University in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, helping them to interpret the many statements in the Qur'an and Sunnah referring to human reproduction and prenatal development. At first I was astonished by the accuracy of the statements that were recorded in the 7th century AD, before the science of embryology was established. Although I was aware of the glorious history of Muslim scientists in the 10th century AD, and some of their contributions to Medicine, I knew nothing about the religious facts and beliefs contained in the Qur'an and Sunnah."[2]

    At a conference in Cairo he presented a research paper and stated:

    "It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Qur'an about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, or Allah, because most of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of God, or Allah." [1]

    Professor Moore also stated that:

    "...Because the staging of human embryos is complex, owing to the continuous process of change during development, it is proposed that a new system of classification could be developed using the terms mentioned in the Qur'an and Sunnah. The proposed system is simple, comprehensive, and conforms with present embryological knowledge.

    "The intensive studies of the Qur'an and Hadith in the last four years have revealed a system of classifying human embryos that is amazing since it was recorded in the seventh century A.D... the descriptions in the Qur'an cannot be based on scientific knowledge in the seventh century..."[1]


    E. Marshall Johnson


    Professor and Chairman of the Department of Anatomy and Developmental Biology, and Director of the Daniel Baugh Institute, Thomas Jefferson University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA.



    Interview with Prof. Johnson.

    Interview with Prof. Johnson.
    Author of over 200 publications. Former President of the Teratology Society among other accomplishments. Professor Johnson began to take an interest in the scientific signs in the Qur'an at the 7th Saudi Medical Conference (1982), when a special committee was formed to investigate scientific signs in the Qur'an and Hadith. At first, Professor Johnson refused to accept the existence of such verses in the Qur'an and Hadith. But after a dicussuion with Sheikh Zindani he took an interest and concentrated his research on the internal as well as external development of the fetus.


    "...in summary, the Qur'an describes not only the development of external form, but emphasises also the internal stages, the stages inside the embryo, of its creation and development, emphasising major events recognised by contemporary science."

    "As a scientist, I can only deal with things which I can specifically see. I can understand embryology and developmental biology. I can understand the words that are translated to me from the Qur'an. As I gave the example before, if I were to transpose myself into that era, knowing what I do today and describing things, I could not describe the things that were described...

    I see no evidence to refute the concept that this individual Muhammad had to be developing this information from some place... so I see nothing here in conflict with the concept that divine intervention was involved in what he was able to write..." [1]
    T.V.N. Persaud


    Professor of Anatomy, and Professor of Paediatrics and Child Health, University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada.


    TVN Persaud presenting a research paper in Cairo.

    TVN Persaud presenting a research paper in Cairo.
    Author and editor of over 20 books, and has published over 181 scientific papers. Co-author of The Developing Human (5th Edition, with Keith L. Moore). He received the J.C.B. Grant Award in 1991. Professor Peraud presented several research papers.


    "It seems to me that Muhammad was a very ordinary man, he couldn't read, didn't know how to write, in fact he was an illiterate...

    We're talking about 1400 years ago, you have some illiterate person making profound statements that are amazingly accurate, of a scientific nature...

    I personally can't see how this could be mere chance, there are too many accuracies and like Dr. Moore, I have no difficulty in my mind reconciling that this is a divine inspiration or revelation which lead him to these statements." [1]

    Joe Leigh Simpson


    Professor and Chairman of the Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Texas, USA.


    Prof. Simpson presenting a research paper.
    He is the President of the American Fertility Society. He has received many awards, including the Association of Professors of Obstetrics and Gynaecology Public Recognition Award in 1992. Like many others, Professor Simpson was taken by surprise when he discovered that the Qur'an and Hadith contain verses related to his specialised field of study. When he met with Sheikh Abdul-Majeed A.Zindani, he insisted on verifying the text presented to him from the Qur'an and Hadith.


    "... these Hadiths (sayings of Muhammad) could not have been obtained on the basis of the scientific knowledge that was available at the time of the 'writer'... It follows that not only is there no conflict between genetics and religion (Islam) but in fact religion (Islam) may guide science by adding revelation to some of the traditional scientific approaches... There exist statements in the Qur'an shown centuries later to be valid which support knowledge in the Qur'an having been derived from God." [1]

    Gerald C. Goeringer


    Professor and Co-ordinator of Medical Embryology in the Department of Cell Biology, School of Medicine, Georgetown University, Washington DC, USA.


    Prof. Goeringer discussing the Qur'an and Embryology.
    Sheikh cAbdul-Majeed A.Zindani met with Professor Goeringer and asked him whether in the history of embryology was there any mention of the different stages of embryonic development, or whether there existed any embryological texts at the time of the Prophet. Sheikh Zindani also asked his opinion regarding the terms the Qur'an uses to describe the different phases of fetal development. After several long discussions, he presented a study at the 8th Saudi Medical Conference:


    "...In a relatively few ayahs (Qur'anic verses) is contained a rather comprehensive description of human development from the time of commingling of the gametes through organogenesis. No such distinct and complete record of human development such as classification, terminology, and description existed previously. In most, if not all instances, this description antedates by many centuries the recording of the various stages of human embryonic and fetal development recorded in the traditional scientific literature." [1]

    Alfred Kroner


    Professor of the Department of Geosciences, University of Mainz, Germany.


    Interview with Prof. Kroner.
    Professor Kroner is one of the world's most famous geologists, becoming well known among his colleague scientists for his criticisms against the theories of some of the major scientists in his field. Sheikh cAbdul-Majeed A. Zindani met with him and presented several Qur'anic verses and Hadith which he studied and commented upon.


    "Thinking where Muhammad came from... I think it is almost impossible that he could have known about things like the common origin of the universe, because scientists have only found out within the last few years with very complicated and advanced technological methods that this is the case."

    "Somebody who did not know something about nuclear physics 1400 years ago could not, I think, be in a position to find out from his own mind for instance that the earth and the heavens had the same origin, or many others of the questions that we have discussed here...

    If you combine all these and you combine all these statements that are being made in the Qur'an in terms that relate to the earth and the formation of the earth and science in general, you can basically say that statements made there in many ways are true, they can now be confirmed by scientific methods, and in a way, you can say that the Qur'an is a simple science text book for the simple man. And that many of the statements made in there at that time could not be proven, but that modern scientific methods are now in a position to prove what Muhammad said 1400 years ago." [1]

    Yushidi Kusan


    Director of the Tokyo Observatory, Tokyo, Japan.


    Interview with Prof. Yushidi Kusan - Director of the Tokyo Observatory.
    Sheikh Abdul-Majeed A. Zindani presented a number of Qur'anic verses describing the beginnings of the universe and of the heavens, and the relationship of the earth to the heavens. He expressed his astonishment, saying that the Qur'an describes the universe as seen from the highest observation point, everything is distinct and clear.


    "I say, I am very much impressed by finding true astronomical facts in Qur'an, and for us modern astronomers have been studying very small piece of the universe. We have concentrated our efforts for understanding of very small part. Because by using telescopes, we can see only very few parts of the sky without thinking about the whole universe. So by reading Qur'an and by answering to the questions, I think I can find my future way for investigation of the universe." [1]

    Professor Armstrong


    Professor Armstrong works for NASA and is also Professor of Astronomy, University of Kansas, Lawrence, Kansas, USA.


    Professor Armstrong.


    Prof. Armstrong was asked a number of questions about Qur'anic verses dealing with his field of specialisation. He was eventually asked, "You have seen and discovered for yourself the true nature of modern Astronomy by means of modern equipment, rockets, and satellites developed by man. You have also seen how the same facts were mentioned by the Qur'an fourteen centuries ago. So what is your opinion?"

    "That is a difficult question which I have been thinking about since our discussion here. I am impressed at how remarkably some of the ancient writings seem to correspond to modern and recent Astronomy. I am not a sufficient scholar of human history to project myself completely and reliably into the circumstances that 1400 years ago would have prevailed.

    Certainly, I would like to leave it at that, that what we have seen is remarkable, it may or may not admit of scientific explanation, there may well have to be something beyond what we understand as ordinary human experience to account for the writings that we have seen." [1]

    William Hay


    Professor of Oceanogprahy, University of Colorado, Boulder, Colorado, USA.


    Professor Hay.
    Professor Hay is one of the best known marine scientist in the USA. Sheikh cAbdul-Majeed A. Zindani met with him and asked him many questions about the marine surface, the divider between upper and lower sea, and about the ocean floor and marine geology.


    "I find it very interesting that this sort of information is in the ancient scriptures of the Holy Qur'an, and I have no way of knowing where they would have come from. But I think it is extremely interesting that they are there and this work is going on to discover it, the meaning of some of the passages."

    And when he was asked about the source of the Qur'an, he replied, "Well, I would think it must be the divine being." [1]

    Durja Rao


    Professor of Marine Geology teaching at King Abdulaziz University, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.


    Durja Rao, Professor of Marine Geology.
    Sheikh Zindani presented to Prof. Rao many verses dealing with his area of specialisation, and asked: "What do you think of the existence of the scientific information in the Qur'an? How could Prophet Muhammad have known about these facts fourteen centuries ago?"


    "It is difficult to imagine that this type of knowledge was existing at that time, around 1400 years back. May be some of the things they have simple idea about, but to describe those things in great detail is very difficult. So this is definitely not simple human knowledge. A normal human being cannot explain this phenomenon in that much detail. So, I thought the information must have come from a supernatural source." [1]

    Professor Siaveda


    Professor of Marine Geology, Japan.


    Professor Siaveda.
    Sheikh Zindani asked him a number of questions in his area of specialisation, and then informed him of the Qur'anic verses and Hadith which mention the same phenomena he spoke of. One of the questions was concerning mountains. Sheikh Zindani asked him about the shape of mountains; and whether they were firmly rooted in the earth. "What is your opinion of what you have seen in the Qur'an and the Sunnah with regard to the secrets of the Universe, which scientists only discovered now?"


    "I think it seems to me very, very mysterious, almost unbelievable. I really think if what you have said is true, the book is really a very remarkable book, I agree." [1]
     

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    A sidenote - A testamentfrom PEOPLE OF SCIENCE ! Most of them non muslims

    Keith L. Moore


    Professor Emeritus, Department of Anatomy and Cell Biology, University of Toronto. Distinguished embryologist and the author of several medical textbooks, including Clinically Oriented Anatomy (3rd Edition) and The Developing Human (5th Edition, with T.V.N. Persaud).



    Prof. Moore presenting his research in Cairo.

    Investigations in to the 'alaqa or leech-like stage.

    Pro. Moore investigating the 'alaqah or leech stage.



    Investigations into the leech stage.

    Dr. Moore was a former President of the Canadian Association of Anatomists, and of the American Association of Clinical Anatomists. He was honoured by the Canadian Association of Anatomists with the prestigious J.C.B. Grant Award and in 1994 he received the Honoured Member Award of the American Association of Clinical Anatomists "for outstanding contributions to the field of clinical anatomy."


    "For the past three years, I have worked with the Embryology Committee of King cAbdulaziz University in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, helping them to interpret the many statements in the Qur'an and Sunnah referring to human reproduction and prenatal development. At first I was astonished by the accuracy of the statements that were recorded in the 7th century AD, before the science of embryology was established. Although I was aware of the glorious history of Muslim scientists in the 10th century AD, and some of their contributions to Medicine, I knew nothing about the religious facts and beliefs contained in the Qur'an and Sunnah."[2]

    At a conference in Cairo he presented a research paper and stated:

    "It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Qur'an about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, or Allah, because most of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of God, or Allah." [1]

    Professor Moore also stated that:

    "...Because the staging of human embryos is complex, owing to the continuous process of change during development, it is proposed that a new system of classification could be developed using the terms mentioned in the Qur'an and Sunnah. The proposed system is simple, comprehensive, and conforms with present embryological knowledge.

    "The intensive studies of the Qur'an and Hadith in the last four years have revealed a system of classifying human embryos that is amazing since it was recorded in the seventh century A.D... the descriptions in the Qur'an cannot be based on scientific knowledge in the seventh century..."[1]


    E. Marshall Johnson


    Professor and Chairman of the Department of Anatomy and Developmental Biology, and Director of the Daniel Baugh Institute, Thomas Jefferson University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA.



    Interview with Prof. Johnson.

    Interview with Prof. Johnson.
    Author of over 200 publications. Former President of the Teratology Society among other accomplishments. Professor Johnson began to take an interest in the scientific signs in the Qur'an at the 7th Saudi Medical Conference (1982), when a special committee was formed to investigate scientific signs in the Qur'an and Hadith. At first, Professor Johnson refused to accept the existence of such verses in the Qur'an and Hadith. But after a dicussuion with Sheikh Zindani he took an interest and concentrated his research on the internal as well as external development of the fetus.


    "...in summary, the Qur'an describes not only the development of external form, but emphasises also the internal stages, the stages inside the embryo, of its creation and development, emphasising major events recognised by contemporary science."

    "As a scientist, I can only deal with things which I can specifically see. I can understand embryology and developmental biology. I can understand the words that are translated to me from the Qur'an. As I gave the example before, if I were to transpose myself into that era, knowing what I do today and describing things, I could not describe the things that were described...

    I see no evidence to refute the concept that this individual Muhammad had to be developing this information from some place... so I see nothing here in conflict with the concept that divine intervention was involved in what he was able to write..." [1]
    T.V.N. Persaud


    Professor of Anatomy, and Professor of Paediatrics and Child Health, University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada.


    TVN Persaud presenting a research paper in Cairo.

    TVN Persaud presenting a research paper in Cairo.
    Author and editor of over 20 books, and has published over 181 scientific papers. Co-author of The Developing Human (5th Edition, with Keith L. Moore). He received the J.C.B. Grant Award in 1991. Professor Peraud presented several research papers.


    "It seems to me that Muhammad was a very ordinary man, he couldn't read, didn't know how to write, in fact he was an illiterate...

    We're talking about 1400 years ago, you have some illiterate person making profound statements that are amazingly accurate, of a scientific nature...

    I personally can't see how this could be mere chance, there are too many accuracies and like Dr. Moore, I have no difficulty in my mind reconciling that this is a divine inspiration or revelation which lead him to these statements." [1]

    Joe Leigh Simpson


    Professor and Chairman of the Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Texas, USA.


    Prof. Simpson presenting a research paper.
    He is the President of the American Fertility Society. He has received many awards, including the Association of Professors of Obstetrics and Gynaecology Public Recognition Award in 1992. Like many others, Professor Simpson was taken by surprise when he discovered that the Qur'an and Hadith contain verses related to his specialised field of study. When he met with Sheikh Abdul-Majeed A.Zindani, he insisted on verifying the text presented to him from the Qur'an and Hadith.


    "... these Hadiths (sayings of Muhammad) could not have been obtained on the basis of the scientific knowledge that was available at the time of the 'writer'... It follows that not only is there no conflict between genetics and religion (Islam) but in fact religion (Islam) may guide science by adding revelation to some of the traditional scientific approaches... There exist statements in the Qur'an shown centuries later to be valid which support knowledge in the Qur'an having been derived from God." [1]

    Gerald C. Goeringer


    Professor and Co-ordinator of Medical Embryology in the Department of Cell Biology, School of Medicine, Georgetown University, Washington DC, USA.


    Prof. Goeringer discussing the Qur'an and Embryology.
    Sheikh cAbdul-Majeed A.Zindani met with Professor Goeringer and asked him whether in the history of embryology was there any mention of the different stages of embryonic development, or whether there existed any embryological texts at the time of the Prophet. Sheikh Zindani also asked his opinion regarding the terms the Qur'an uses to describe the different phases of fetal development. After several long discussions, he presented a study at the 8th Saudi Medical Conference:


    "...In a relatively few ayahs (Qur'anic verses) is contained a rather comprehensive description of human development from the time of commingling of the gametes through organogenesis. No such distinct and complete record of human development such as classification, terminology, and description existed previously. In most, if not all instances, this description antedates by many centuries the recording of the various stages of human embryonic and fetal development recorded in the traditional scientific literature." [1]

    Alfred Kroner


    Professor of the Department of Geosciences, University of Mainz, Germany.


    Interview with Prof. Kroner.
    Professor Kroner is one of the world's most famous geologists, becoming well known among his colleague scientists for his criticisms against the theories of some of the major scientists in his field. Sheikh cAbdul-Majeed A. Zindani met with him and presented several Qur'anic verses and Hadith which he studied and commented upon.


    "Thinking where Muhammad came from... I think it is almost impossible that he could have known about things like the common origin of the universe, because scientists have only found out within the last few years with very complicated and advanced technological methods that this is the case."

    "Somebody who did not know something about nuclear physics 1400 years ago could not, I think, be in a position to find out from his own mind for instance that the earth and the heavens had the same origin, or many others of the questions that we have discussed here...

    If you combine all these and you combine all these statements that are being made in the Qur'an in terms that relate to the earth and the formation of the earth and science in general, you can basically say that statements made there in many ways are true, they can now be confirmed by scientific methods, and in a way, you can say that the Qur'an is a simple science text book for the simple man. And that many of the statements made in there at that time could not be proven, but that modern scientific methods are now in a position to prove what Muhammad said 1400 years ago." [1]

    Yushidi Kusan


    Director of the Tokyo Observatory, Tokyo, Japan.


    Interview with Prof. Yushidi Kusan - Director of the Tokyo Observatory.
    Sheikh Abdul-Majeed A. Zindani presented a number of Qur'anic verses describing the beginnings of the universe and of the heavens, and the relationship of the earth to the heavens. He expressed his astonishment, saying that the Qur'an describes the universe as seen from the highest observation point, everything is distinct and clear.


    "I say, I am very much impressed by finding true astronomical facts in Qur'an, and for us modern astronomers have been studying very small piece of the universe. We have concentrated our efforts for understanding of very small part. Because by using telescopes, we can see only very few parts of the sky without thinking about the whole universe. So by reading Qur'an and by answering to the questions, I think I can find my future way for investigation of the universe." [1]

    Professor Armstrong


    Professor Armstrong works for NASA and is also Professor of Astronomy, University of Kansas, Lawrence, Kansas, USA.


    Professor Armstrong.


    Prof. Armstrong was asked a number of questions about Qur'anic verses dealing with his field of specialisation. He was eventually asked, "You have seen and discovered for yourself the true nature of modern Astronomy by means of modern equipment, rockets, and satellites developed by man. You have also seen how the same facts were mentioned by the Qur'an fourteen centuries ago. So what is your opinion?"

    "That is a difficult question which I have been thinking about since our discussion here. I am impressed at how remarkably some of the ancient writings seem to correspond to modern and recent Astronomy. I am not a sufficient scholar of human history to project myself completely and reliably into the circumstances that 1400 years ago would have prevailed.

    Certainly, I would like to leave it at that, that what we have seen is remarkable, it may or may not admit of scientific explanation, there may well have to be something beyond what we understand as ordinary human experience to account for the writings that we have seen." [1]

    William Hay


    Professor of Oceanogprahy, University of Colorado, Boulder, Colorado, USA.


    Professor Hay.
    Professor Hay is one of the best known marine scientist in the USA. Sheikh cAbdul-Majeed A. Zindani met with him and asked him many questions about the marine surface, the divider between upper and lower sea, and about the ocean floor and marine geology.


    "I find it very interesting that this sort of information is in the ancient scriptures of the Holy Qur'an, and I have no way of knowing where they would have come from. But I think it is extremely interesting that they are there and this work is going on to discover it, the meaning of some of the passages."

    And when he was asked about the source of the Qur'an, he replied, "Well, I would think it must be the divine being." [1]

    Durja Rao


    Professor of Marine Geology teaching at King Abdulaziz University, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.


    Durja Rao, Professor of Marine Geology.
    Sheikh Zindani presented to Prof. Rao many verses dealing with his area of specialisation, and asked: "What do you think of the existence of the scientific information in the Qur'an? How could Prophet Muhammad have known about these facts fourteen centuries ago?"


    "It is difficult to imagine that this type of knowledge was existing at that time, around 1400 years back. May be some of the things they have simple idea about, but to describe those things in great detail is very difficult. So this is definitely not simple human knowledge. A normal human being cannot explain this phenomenon in that much detail. So, I thought the information must have come from a supernatural source." [1]

    Professor Siaveda


    Professor of Marine Geology, Japan.


    Professor Siaveda.
    Sheikh Zindani asked him a number of questions in his area of specialisation, and then informed him of the Qur'anic verses and Hadith which mention the same phenomena he spoke of. One of the questions was concerning mountains. Sheikh Zindani asked him about the shape of mountains; and whether they were firmly rooted in the earth. "What is your opinion of what you have seen in the Qur'an and the Sunnah with regard to the secrets of the Universe, which scientists only discovered now?"


    "I think it seems to me very, very mysterious, almost unbelievable. I really think if what you have said is true, the book is really a very remarkable book, I agree." [1]

    Theres more

    Professor Siaveda


    Professor of Marine Geology, Japan.


    Professor Siaveda.
    Sheikh Zindani asked him a number of questions in his area of specialisation, and then informed him of the Qur'anic verses and Hadith which mention the same phenomena he spoke of. One of the questions was concerning mountains. Sheikh Zindani asked him about the shape of mountains; and whether they were firmly rooted in the earth. "What is your opinion of what you have seen in the Qur'an and the Sunnah with regard to the secrets of the Universe, which scientists only discovered now?"


    "I think it seems to me very, very mysterious, almost unbelievable. I really think if what you have said is true, the book is really a very remarkable book, I agree." [1]

    Tejatat Tejasen


    Chairman of the Department of Anatomy and is the former Dean of the faculty of Medicine, University of Chiang Mai, Chiang Mai, Thailand.


    Prof. Tejasen embraces Islam.
    Professor Tejasen studied various articles concerning the Qur'an and modern embryology. He spent four days with several scholars, Muslims and non-Muslims, discussing this phenomenon in the Qur'an and Hadith. During the 8th Saudi Medical Conference in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia he stood up and said:


    "In the last three years, I became interested in the Qur'an... From my studies and what I have learned throughout this conference, I believe that everything that has been recorded in the Qur'an fourteen hundred years ago must be the truth, that can be proved by the scientific means.

    Since the Prophet Muhammad could neither read nor write, Muhammad must be a messenger who relayed this truth which was revealed to him as an enlightenment by the one who is eligible creator. This creator must be God, or Allah.

    I think this is the time to say La ilaha illa Allah, there is no god to worship except Allah (God), Muhammad rasoolu Allah, Muhammad is Messenger of Allah...

    The most precious thing I have gained from coming to this conference is La ilaha illa Allah, and to have become Muslim." [1]

    Dr. Maurice Bucaille


    Born in 1920, former chief of the Surgical Clinic, University of Paris, has for a long time deeply interested in the correspondences between the teachings of the Holy Scriptures and modern secular knowledge.


    Dr. Maurice Bucaille
    He is the author of a best-seller, "The Bible, The Qur'an and Science" (1976). His classical studies of the scriptural languages, including Arabic, in association with his knowledge of hieroglyphics, have allowed him to hold a multidisciplinary inquiry, in which his personal contribution as a medical doctor has produced conclusive arguments. His work, "Mummies of the Pharaohs - Modern Medical Investigations" (St. Martins Press, 1990), won a History Prize from the Académie Française and another prize from the French National Academy of Medicine.

    His other works include: "What is the Origin of Man" (Seghers, 1988), "Moses and Pharaoh, the Hebrews in Egypt", (NTT Mediascope Inc, 1994); and "Réflexions sur le Coran" (Mohamed Talbi & Maurice Bucaille, Seghers, 1989)


    After a study which lasted ten years, Dr. Maurice Bucaille addressed the French Academy of Medicine in 1976 concerning the existence in the Qur'an of certain statements concerning physiology and reproduction. His reason for doing that was that :

    "...our knowledge of these disciplines is such, that it is impossible to explain how a text produced at the time of the Qur'an could have contained ideas that have only been discovered in modern times."

    "The above observation makes the hypothesis advanced by those who see Muhammad as the author of the Qur'an untenable. How could a man, from being illiterate, become the most important author, in terms of literary merits, in the whole of Arabic literature?

    How could he then pronounce truths of a scientific nature that no other human-being could possibly have developed at that time, and all this without once making the slightest error in his pronouncement on the subject?"

    Bibliography

    [1] al-Zindani, Abdul-Majeed A, This is the Truth (video tape). Scientific Signs of the Qur'an and Sunnah containing interviews with various scientists. Available in Arabic, English, French, Urdu and Turkish. A full English transcript of this video with illustrations is also available: Al-Rehaili, Abdullah M., This is the Truth, Muslim World League, Makkah al-Mukarrammah, 1995. Also available on the web at: This Is The Truth!

    [2] Moore, Keith L. and al-Zindani, Abdul-Majeed A., The Developing Human with Islamic Additions, Third Edition, W.B. Saunders Company, Philadelphia, 1982, with Dar Al-Qiblah for Islamic Literature, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, 1983, page viiic. Limited Edition.

    [3] Moore, Keith L., al-Zindani, Abdul-Majeed A., Ahmed Mustafa A, The Qur'an and Modern Science - Correlation Studies, Islamic Academy for Scientific Research, Makkah, Saudi Arabia. Reprinted by World Assembly of Muslim Youth (WAMY), USA., 1990, ISBN 0-9627236-0-6. Collection of papers presented at a symposium sponsored by the Muslim Students Association, University of Illinois, May 1990.

    [4] Moore, Keith L.; Johnson, E. Marshall; Persaud, T.V.N.; Goeringer, Gerald C.; Zindani, Abdul-Majeed A.; and Ahmed Mustafa A, Human Development as Described in the Qur'an and Sunnah, Commission on Scientific Signs of the Qur'an and Sunnah, Muslim World League, Makkah Al-Mukarramah, Saudi Arabia, 1992, ISBN 0-9627236-1-4. Collection of papers that were originally presented in the First International Conference on Scientific Signs of the Qur'an and Sunnah, held in Islamabad, Pakistan, 1987, and after some modifications and development, presented in their present form in Dakar, Sengal in July 1991.
     

    ex-muslim Ahmed

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    why...DR.Zakir Naik is a well respected world renowned scientist and historian.....

    he speaks in front of all kinds of clergy in India...Singapore...Malaysia etc etc....and answers questions about Islam....

    don't you want to learn?

    don't you want to shed some light into understanding...?

    can't you think on your own?

    are sri lankans so insecure about your own faith that you are intimidated by someone like Dr. Zakir Naik?. ..
    .

    Zakir has no science background. He is a FAILED medical Doctor Who has lost his Medical license to practice because of his Unacceptable perverted sexual behavior.

    This guy has a Fatwa on Him because he Greeted Yaseed, The Killer of Imam Hussain.

    He is a average street guy who thinks aTHEROY IS A SPECULATION.
    He says " EVOLUTION IS A THEORY"
    what he doesn't know is that NEWTON'S THEORY OF GRAVITY IS ALSO A THEORY and EINSTEIN'S SPECIAL THEORY OF RELATIVITY is also a THEORY.

    This is the idiot muslims so proud of.

    This guy is a threat to ethnic harmony of Sri Lanka. He has definitely INSULTED BUDDHIST BY CLAIMING MAITHREE BUDDHA IS MUHAMMED- a pedophile warlord in 7th century.
     

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    Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
    Then he is not omnipotent.
    Is he able, but not willing?
    Then he is malevolent.
    Is he both able and willing?
    Then whence cometh EVIL?
    Is he neither able nor willing?
    Then why call him god?

    ==== Epicurus ===
     

    ex-muslim Ahmed

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    Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
    Then he is not omnipotent.
    Is he able, but not willing?
    Then he is malevolent.
    Is he both able and willing?
    Then whence cometh EVIL?
    Is he neither able nor willing?
    Then why call him god?

    ==== Epicurus ===
    ;);););)
     
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