Who created God(Allah) ?

[AncientGlory]

My question is this
"can you prove anything about your god apart from the book?"

Although we talk about many things other than this. My question is the same. I said in my first post that, We will end up in a place where, they'll say "It is true because it is written in the book." And the other thing is the proof they have as to the book is true is again because it is written in the book.

And don't wory about the tricks, I'm quite familiar with them.

 

[AncientGlory]

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Is this your answer for my lengthy post or did you give up?

 

[mensoft2003]

ඔය ප්‍රශ්නෙ කොච්චර ඇහුවත් වැදක් නැහැ මචන් ඕවට උත්තර දෙන්නෙ නැහැ..

කව්ද කියන්නේ උත්තර දෙන්න බෑ කියල . උතර දෙන්න පුළුවන් . සකිර්ගෙන් ඇහුවොත් අදාල නැති වල වටරමක් දෙඔදවනවා . සිරජ්ගෙන් ඇහුවොත් කොහෙන් හරි COPY PASTE කරනවා . ඕක ඔචර අමාරු ප්‍රශ්නයක් නෙමයි . හැබැයි ඉතින් පොතෙන් පිට දේවල් අහන්න එපා . ඒවා හරාම් කරලා තියන්නේ . දන්නවනේ එකපාරක් කිව්වම අහුවෙනතම් වෙන දේ ?? කටවහගෙන කියන දේ පිළිගෙන සාමය වලදගනින් .

 

[dilankandy]

කව්ද කියන්නේ උත්තර දෙන්න බෑ කියල . උතර දෙන්න පුළුවන් . සකිර්ගෙන් ඇහුවොත් අදාල නැති වල වටරමක් දෙඔදවනවා . සිරජ්ගෙන් ඇහුවොත් කොහෙන් හරි COPY PASTE කරනවා . ඕක ඔචර අමාරු ප්‍රශ්නයක් නෙමයි . හැබැයි ඉතින් පොතෙන් පිට දේවල් අහන්න එපා . ඒවා හරාම් කරලා තියන්නේ . දන්නවනේ එකපාරක් කිව්වම අහුවෙනතම් වෙන දේ ?? කටවහගෙන කියන දේ පිළිගෙන සාමය වලදගනින් .

අනේද කියන්නෙ...

 

[mensoft2003]

අනේද කියන්නෙ...

අනේද කියන්න එපා . ඉංශ අල්ලාහ් කියන්න

 

[bishop]

අනේද කියන්න එපා . ඉංශ අල්ලාහ් කියන්න

lol!

 

[gazaly]

අනේද කියන්න එපා . ඉංශ අල්ලාහ් කියන්න

Hmmm.. Insha Allah newei Masha Allah kiyala kiyanna...
oyala Islam Ugannala dan epa welaa.. namuth oyalage yamkisi pragathiyak thiyenawa.. dan arabi wachana welawata uchitha widiyata oyala use karanna try karanawa... thawath godak Egena gena Ediriyatama yamu...

 

[mensoft2003]

Hmmm.. Insha Allah newei Masha Allah kiyala kiyanna...
oyala Islam Ugannala dan epa welaa.. namuth oyalage yamkisi pragathiyak thiyenawa.. dan arabi wachana welawata uchitha widiyata oyala use karanna try karanawa... thawath godak Egena gena Ediriyatama yamu...

සැමදා බලාපොරොතු වන බොලද සතුට . හරි හරි මාශ අල්ලාහ් . දැන් සතුටු වෙයන් .

 

[dilankandy]

අනේද කියන්න එපා . ඉංශ අල්ලාහ් කියන්න

 

[mensoft2003]

සුවර්ගයේ දොරටු විවරකරගන්න පසුබට වෙන්න එපා . (හුරි කෙනෙක් ඕනනම් ?) අපි මෙචර මිනි මරාගෙන . කෑ ගහගෙන COPY PASTE කරන්නේ එකනේ යාළුවා . තේරුම් ගියාට බොහොම පින් .

 

[Pizziesta]

No. Why would I believe that? Yes they all are talking about a fictional character. But the concepts have minor differences and they have different practices so they are not talking about the same GOD.

Do you expect them to be very neat all these time?

According to Buddhist scriptures Maithreya is a Buddha.

What language do you expect him to speak? Paali? Sanskrit? An expired language or a living language?

The history of the religions. I meant how the concept of religion came in to being, how it evolved and how the concept affected the major religions etc. No one can know the history of all specific religions. I thought you are smart enough to understand what I meant and I assumed you are smart enough to realize I would never say I know the history of all the specific religions. Will be careful from now on.

Yeah, what you know is always correct.

This is true. Hinduism originally speaks of ONE GOD. Also being one of the oldest religions in the world, most abrahamic religions have copied its concepts. This happened through out the history of religions. One religion copying other and emerging. How ever I have made an error. Hinduism originated as a monotheistic religion to the best of my knowledge.

That's why in each there is a prophecy about the next.

I fail to see the relevance of this.

Infiltration example.

Indeed I went through all your so called evidences and found no evidence at all. If you want I can give you links that include lengthy explanation on how Dr.Zakir Naik has mistranslated some of the hindu purans, which are of course written in sanskript. According to these sanskript experts, some of the purans do mentione about a person named Muhammad, who will start a demonic religion and bring much destruction, etc. So as I mentioned, I have already done research on these things. I have not yet found any authentic prophecy in a religious scripture about Muhammad. I have found bunch of mistranslations from people like Zakir Naik(Whome I consider as a highly irrational person) and other people denying it. So it's a debatable issue, not evidence. Also to the best of my knowledge purans are not the main religious scriptures of Hindus.

Of course Hindus will debate with every possible way to deny it and protect their culture, etc. Do you expect them to just hand over everything and accept?

From what I can see, people try to link two random things in two books and make up a story to suit their purpose.

What you always see isn't the truth. It all talk about history and future.

Of course I know. I even know some people who believe in that, and I have spoken with them also. But if you ever get the chance to meet with one of them, you'll see that their ideas and concepts are very similar to yours. They just believe in what they believe, a different GOD. But what I find interesting is that most of their prophets or GOD(Satan) never have ordered slavery, mass murder, polygamy, child marriages, genocides, or many other immoral things most of those Abrahamic GODs did. In the end this all ends up in the same old question. What make you think your GOD is true and theirs is not? (They also have a book you know).

In both, it talk about the opposite.

You have no clue of satanic rituals.

You don't need to find one. They are so similar conceptually one might even think they originated from the same root.

What makes you think it is not the truth?

 

[Pizziesta]

Although we talk about many things other than this. My question is the same. I said in my first post that, We will end up in a place where, they'll say "It is true because it is written in the book." And the other thing is the proof they have as to the book is true is again because it is written in the book.

And don't wory about the tricks, I'm quite familiar with them.

Forget the book, are you saying there is no power that governs us?

We all are creatures with magnificent technology. Just think how our senses work.. If you are to say that there is no superpower behind our existence, that's more darkness than a blind.

Anyway hope the answer for your question is in this 9 mins video.

How do we know if there is a God?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MWPLCUhxuk

Tc

 

[pissupoosa jr.]

This cannot be true. if god doesn't have a creator how was he born? are we just following something that doesn't exist or which hasn't even been created

 

[ColdBreath]

Pardon me, but reading this thread leaves me with a bunch of questions.

If the god almighty created everything, why did he created bad things like cruelty, jealousy, violence, etc. Why did he created all that so we suffer now?

If god is the creator of all things and he created bad things, how come he become so merciful? how can he become good, because he has created bad?

If god did not created bad then who did? why?

If god did not created bad then, how can he become the creator of all things?

(At this point I almost got my eyes squint thinking through the twirl of logic)

I sincerity apologize if I have posted anything inappropriate asking those questions. I do not intend to insult any religion. Its just reading this thread made me think about those questions. IF you can explain to me, I would be most regretful to all of you.

 

[mensoft2003]

This cannot be true. if god doesn't have a creator how was he born? are we just following something that doesn't exist or which hasn't even been created

නොදන්නා මගුල් ගැන කියවන්ඩ එපා බන් . එක එහෙම තමයි පොතේ තියන්නේ . කියන එක පිලිගනින් . සිරාජ් කියන විදිහටනම් තම්බියෝ සංසේචනය වෙලා තියන්නේත් දිය බිදු වලින් . එහෙම එකේ මේ දෙවියෝ ගැන අහල ඌව අමාරුවේ දන්නා එපා .

 

[Pizziesta]

The whole universe and its creativity is the sign of a Creator. Creativity comes from a Creator.

Let's think He wants to guide people, explaining the purpose behind our existence, of which we have no clue.

His medium is a man among us, and scripture. (You can analyze those books and find for yourself with the logic and the world you know.)

There in those scriptures He addresses people, explaining this world's status, their purpose of this life, and the recommended life style they should follow, etc etc in order to find success out of the purpose we serve.

We all know there is evil, but we don't know why it's there. Those are stuff that we cannot grasp with our knowledge but through guidence, which is the book.

If one is understood the whole purpose as it explains and how everything is happening around him in the world, he is a person with guidances, his next goal is to prove it by practicing it..

Pardon me, but reading this thread leaves me with a bunch of questions.

If the god almighty created everything, why did he created bad things like cruelty, jealousy, violence, etc. Why did he created all that so we suffer now?

All these questions come only until you know the whole concept it teaches.

According to those scriptures, whole purpose of our existence in this world is, as a mean of trial which people will have to go through, since we're the souls with "free will".

Imagine you want to create creatures with free will, who will either obey you or go astray. Obeying with the free will is the highest standard given to humans. If there is no free will, creatures will be likes of robots.

Only Jinns and Humans are with free will. Angels are always obeyed. Free will means the ability given us to choose either 'good' or 'bad'. That's after we get to know that it is good and bad.

People are liable for the test soon after the puberty age, and when we know about both the good and the bad.

""Every soul shall taste death, and We shall make a trial of you with evil and with good. And to Us you will be returned" (Surah Al-Anbiya, ayah 35.)"


In order to make a trial of good, you need bad. 'Bad' is the measurement of 'Good'. If there was only good (as in the heavens) the trial cannot be made, which is the main purpose of this world.

There it explains the blessings and the evil created in this world, in order to test the people with their character. (Mother's love for her children, Male female attracted love, Gog and Mogog, Dajjaal, etc etc)

If god is the creator of all things and he created bad things, how come he become so merciful? how can he become good, because he has created bad?

As i explained, in this world of trials, bad is the mean of testing good.

Eg; It is asked not to drink Alcohol.

If there is only good and bad doesn't exists, then everyone will not drink as it is the only option, thus making the trial impossible.

But when there is bad, and free will, people know about its good and bad, and have the ability to choose either option.

If you look at God Almighty's attributes, he is The Most Merciful and also The Most Just.

It doesn't contradict with each other. He is The Most Merciful to the people, sustaining them with everything they have, giving them guidance, no matter what they do.

The Most Judge - He have set rules for the universe (gravity, etc) and for the people (life style should follow). And He do Just for everyone, here and hereafter.

The guidance (The Message) comes to people when they are suitable for that Message. God Almighty has set attributes a human should posses in order to be suitable for the message.

Eg; a murder, a person with arrogance are not suitable for the message.

But when a person is suitable for the message, he gets it somehow. That's the promise. After that is it up to him to accpet the guidance or reject it.

If god did not created bad then who did? why?

Indeed, it is God Almighty who created everything as a mean of trial of people.

When a person is firm with his believe and submits his will to God Almighty, He tests that person with many things. Only the true believers will be able to stay firm on the path by submitting their wills.

"Allah says (in the interpretation of the meaning): `Certainly, We shall test you with fear, hunger, loss of wealth, lives and fruits; but give glad tidings to the patient - those who, when afflicted with calamity say, `Truly to Allah we belong, and truly to Him shall we return.` It is those who will be awarded blessings and mercy from their Lord; and it is those who are the guided ones.` [Surah Baqarah, 2:155-157]"

Every person goes with trials, everyday.

If god did not created bad then, how can he become the creator of all things?

He is The Creator of all things, and sustains them.

(At this point I almost got my eyes squint thinking through the twirl of logic)

That's understandable, since almost everyone have these questions before knowing the whole concept.

Many are deviated with false theories claiming to be from religions. Specially the websites conducted by zionists, pretending to be religious sites.

I sincerity apologize if I have posted anything inappropriate asking those questions. I do not intend to insult any religion. Its just reading this thread made me think about those questions. IF you can explain to me, I would be most regretful to all of you.

Thirst for knowledge is what will lead to the truth. Appreciate that you didn't hang onto your point, looking at everything else as false. Now that's humbleness.

I'm sure you have many questions which comes afterwards. That's why i chose to explain in detail, hoping it will give you a clear idea of the concept.

Tc

 

[pissupoosa jr.]

නොදන්නා මගුල් ගැන කියවන්ඩ එපා බන් . එක එහෙම තමයි පොතේ තියන්නේ . කියන එක පිලිගනින් . සිරාජ් කියන විදිහටනම් තම්බියෝ සංසේචනය වෙලා තියන්නේත් දිය බිදු වලින් . එහෙම එකේ මේ දෙවියෝ ගැන අහල ඌව අමාරුවේ දන්නා එපා .

සිරාජ් මෙ වගේ එවාට සද්ද නැහැ..

 

[ColdBreath]

Many thanks for your kind explanation. Hope you would enlighten me further.

According to those scriptures, whole purpose of our existence in this world is, as a mean of trial which people will have to go through, since we're the souls with "free will".

Only Jinns and Humans are with free will. Angels are always obeyed. Free will means the ability given us to choose either 'good' or 'bad'. That's after we get to know that it is good and bad.

Why does god trail his own creation? Isn't it like he is trying to test himself through his creation?

If you look at God Almighty's attributes, he is The Most Merciful and also The Most Just.

It doesn't contradict with each other. He is The Most Merciful to the people, sustaining them with everything they have, giving them guidance, no matter what they do.

The Most Judge - He have set rules for the universe (gravity, etc) and for the people (life style should follow). And He do Just for everyone, here and hereafter.

The guidance (The Message) comes to people when they are suitable for that Message. God Almighty has set attributes a human should posses in order to be suitable for the message.

Eg; a murder, a person with arrogance are not suitable for the message.

But when a person is suitable for the message, he gets it somehow. That's the promise. After that is it up to him to accpet the guidance or reject it.

Indeed, it is God Almighty who created everything as a mean of trial of people.

I still have trouble beveling that the same god that created human being the seas, rabbits and rainbows created the cruelty in human mind, hatred, arrogance, and thirst for blood. I still don't understand why? and how could god, create both good things and such bad things at the same time?

"Allah says (in the interpretation of the meaning): `Certainly, We shall test you with fear, hunger, loss of wealth, lives and fruits; but give glad tidings to the patient - those who, when afflicted with calamity say, `Truly to Allah we belong, and truly to Him shall we return.` It is those who will be awarded blessings and mercy from their Lord; and it is those who are the guided ones.` [Surah Baqarah, 2:155-157]"

Every person goes with trials, everyday.

But what if I choose not to go through with this trial of god?

He is The Creator of all things, and sustains them.

So does this mean that god sustains the hatred, anger, and all so called negative thoughts in our minds too? Or is it just us?

 

[Pizziesta]

Why does god trail his own creation? Isn't it like he is trying to test himself through his creation?

No. It is mentioned that God Almighty knows everything of what humans and jinns do, in this world and hereafter. He is All Knowing.

"He knoweth What (appeareth to His creatures As) Before or After or Behind them. Nor shall they compass Aught of his knowledge Except as He willeth."
(Baqarah 2: 255 also known as Ayathul Kursi)

Still God Almighty send man into his world for the test, so they wouldn't complain of their status, if originally they are placed according to their deeds.

Meaning God Almighty knows the final result of what man will earn. Yet he made this world, giving the opportunity to go through the tests, so people will not complain of their result.

We are given a supreme opportunity to obey God Almighty with the free will, which is higher than Angels. To reach such, we need to go through the test and prove it.

I still have trouble beveling that the same god that created human being the seas, rabbits and rainbows created the cruelty in human mind, hatred, arrogance, and thirst for blood. I still don't understand why? and how could god, create both good things and such bad things at the same time?

God Almighty forced only the Good for humans and jinn.

God Almighty has only made the options as a mean of testing, in this world. There is no place for evil out of the purpose of testing. He never forces any evil choice to man. He advices the option which will get us to success, and that's only the choice of 'good'.

It is only people who make the wrong choices instead of the recommended correct one.

As for the rainbows, etc beautiful things and such things like volcanoes, are just there as means of signs for the people in the existence of Heaven and Hell.


There is 'Good'. The extreme absence of good, is extreme evil. If there is a little 'good' even, the case would be little 'evil'. If there is full 'good', then there would be no 'evil'. So the lack of good, is the capacity of evil.

It's like of the 'light'. Only its absence known as darkness, help measure the brightness of the light.

But what if I choose not to go through with this trial of god?

Then you are wasting a such an opportunity of achieving the most possible highest status as a human with the use of free will, that other creatures didn't get.

" And if it had been Our Will, We could have transformed them (into animals or lifeless objects) in their places. Then they should have been unable to go forward (move about) nor they could have turned back"

- (Surah Ya'Seen: 67)

So does this mean that god sustains the hatred, anger, and all so called negative thoughts in our minds too? Or is it just us?

Sorry, it seems my reply made you think that way. He is the Creator of all things. He doesn't sustain what is bad for us as he only forces us, the good. If we all chose the correct paths, then we can perish the evil.

Evil thoughts, hatred, anger, etc are cos of the lack of good we have within us and as a result of us choosing wrong paths/choices.

*There is no evil beyond this testing world. This world is said to be the likes of a resting place under a shade for 'A Traveler'. Very much temporary! The real Life begins with the hereafter.

 

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Do you expect them to be very neat all these time?

No.

What language do you expect him to speak? Paali? Sanskrit? An expired language or a living language?

Whatever language that would be there at the time.

Yeah, what you know is always correct.

If what I know is always correct, what is the point of this discussion?

That's why in each there is a prophecy about the next.

Can be true.

Infiltration example.

Ok

Of course Hindus will debate with every possible way to deny it and protect their culture, etc. Do you expect them to just hand over everything and accept?

The point is as long as there is a debate, and reasonable arguing it will remain as a question, not a fact.

What you always see isn't the truth. It all talk about history and future.

I know. If I know the truth I will not be discussing this with you.

In both, it talk about the opposite.

Opposite of what?

You have no clue of satanic rituals.

And you do?

What makes you think it is not the truth?

Because all facts and reasonable thinking suggests its highly illogical.