Who created God(Allah) ?

[AncientGlory]

Misconceptions happens when you don't understand what it really means.

Misconception happens when you forget that the every view is subjective and what you understand, or make sense to you might actually have no bearing or whatsoever in the truth. Keep an open mind, what you understand might not be the truth.

Everything happen to The God's will. Nothing goes off His plans.

What we are given to deal with are only choices within that plan.

You don't see a flow in this logic? If everything that happens is GOD's will then me being a non believer is his will. I don't really get a chance is choosing do I?

 

[Pizziesta]

Misconception happens when you forget that the every view is subjective and what you understand, or make sense to you might actually have no bearing or whatsoever in the truth. Keep an open mind, what you understand might not be the truth.

What i meant is that there is a particular understanding that delivers from a message. but when you understand a different view of the message, other than the one intended, then a misconception occurs.

Agree?

Eg;
It is a misconception to think Lord Budhdha wanted people to worship him.

You don't see a flow in this logic? If everything that happens is GOD's will then me being a non believer is his will. I don't really get a chance is choosing do I?

It seems you have never understood the 'free will' part.

Anyway hope this makes clear.

Eg;

- God Almighty makes a trial for you according to HIS Will.
HE makes you rich.

- There you have the options A, B, C, D. which is Your free will.
You can use it for charity
You can buy something for yourself
You can waste it
You can do harm with it for yourself

- You cannot do E, F, G, or any other even if you wanted, cos that is against the Will of God Almighty.
You can't use that money to harm someone - Because that person's plan clashes or for some other reason and is against the Will of God Almighty.

No matter how hard you try, that person will be safe from your attempts.

You can't use that money to migrate to another country - Bacause that will create a trial for your parents, or as you are destined to get the message of God Almighty in this country or any other reason. WHICH ARE AGAINST THE WILL OF GOD ALMIGHTY. - Can't do against those.

So what happens is that, GOD ALMIGHTY creates the situation (which is HIS WILL) and we only have options (Our freewill) WITHIN THAT PLAN.

So everything happens according to God Almighty's plans.

We don't have any power to go against those plan, but only to go through the options. But we're liable for the options we have chosen and will effect us cos we chose them through our own free will

So we can't complain it is because God Almighty wanted that i am smoking. He would have created the situation of a friend encouraging him to smoke (trial). Out of the options that person have chosen to 'smoke' (free will option he have chosen).

One may choose to 'reject' it. Some may 'advice him'. Those are through the free will. But that person can't do anything against God Almighty's will, like to harm the friend who encouraged, etc.

And then our life will change according to the options we have chosen. Still under the will of God Almighty.
Eg; The person will not face diseases even if he chose to 'smoke'. If that's the will of God Almighty.

All of these options, choices we make, the trials it creates to yourself and to different people are all connceted and happens through the WILL OF GOD ALMIGHTY.
Nothing goes off His Plans, while we also have the free will.

Once you understood the concept you can put it to yourself and see.

Hope it is clear for you. Btw these are examples only.

TC

 

[AncientGlory]

Sorry about the late reply.

No worries.

Can a computer get assembled, run a software and have its own power which keeps it on, happen by a random chance? So for many people, the world we observe (humans, animals, jinns, the dimensions we have within the world, the mediums we have connecting each other, etc) which are more complex than a computer, find really hard to happen by a random chance.

So you are going with the watchmaker analogy? Refer this thread. We already discussed this.

http://www.elakiri.com/forum/showthread.php?t=573754

Yes, a computer can get assembled in a random chance, if given enough time. If you give 4.5billion years, yes by a random chance an intelligent species can be born and those species might make a computer, which of course is a effect of a random incident(Evolution) in the first place.

Do you believe of any kinda spirits?

yes.

The God, is the cause of all other effects. From him everything else came to exist.

So it is clear that GOD came out of nothing. Then when you were saying there is no action without force, you were contradicting yourself coz apparently GOD comes out of nothing.

Anyway according to you, what caused the bing bang? Cos there has to be a cause that effected into the big bang.

I have no idea. Big bang is just a theory among many other theories. But I know for a fact, that it was not caused by an invisible being who likes to watch people burn in hell for an eternity.

This is what happens when you think what you know is always the truth.

Angels and demons is a lame, a very lame book/film that puts a mask to the real illuminati. Don't you expect the real illuminati to hide their identity? when they get exposed, they try to deviate people by giving them different identities.

Illuminati is the name given the 33 freemasonry families and their sub families.
Angels and Demons is nothing but an effort to cover up their true identity. When this happens, people will starting to doubt about them and find it as a joke like you have.

Completely missing the point are we?? What I know about Illuminati or whether what I know is closer to truth or not is irrelevant. The question is why do you think what you know is the truth?

For your information, either you have not read the Angels and Demons or you have a very lame taste. It is a great book, a fiction. Millions around the world agree so. I did not learn about Illuminati from a fiction book, it is a fiction. I learned the name, and did my own research. I'm surprised you'd think I'm basing my claims on a fiction book. A mistake only amateurs do(Not calling you are a one).

What i meant is that there is a particular understanding that delivers from a message. but when you understand a different view of the message, other than the one intended, then a misconception occurs.

Agree?

Eg;
It is a misconception to think Lord Budhdha wanted people to worship him.

Agreed. But my point was that you and me being two ordinary humans, cannot really claim that what we understand from a message is the intended one. There is always a chance it is us who made the mistake.

We don't have any power to go against those plan, but only to go through the options.

Can be two things. Either you did not understand my point or its the other way around.

(1) Do we agree that everything happens is GOD's will?

(2) If yes, me being a non believer is GOD's will.

(3) So I'm just continuing to do what he wishes. It is his will.

(4) I do not have a choice in the matter.

(5) Anyone who choose to be a believer after sometime, it is also GOD's plan and will. He does not have a choice either.

So to me it seems that the free will you are talking about has nothing to do with choosing, our path destiny already predefined by GOD. You are talking about a choice within a limited frame, but even in that frame we don't have a choice.

It is a well established argument that "Free will" and "Omnimax GOD" cannot co-exist. I have thus far not seen any valid point that will say otherwise. And I've spent lots of time reading, discussing,debating this with people.

 

[AncientGlory]

human race was the one who came up with gods and religions so gods creator = humans
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Yep, that is the summary of it.

 

[Tharaka1220]

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[Pizziesta]

So it is clear that GOD came out of nothing. Then when you were saying there is no action without force, you were contradicting yourself coz apparently GOD comes out of nothing.

Force is the cause of an Action. It's like you are asking who made the force. There is an original force creating rest of actions. That original force is what people refer as 'God'. What's your view about the original force? From where did that come from?

I have no idea. Big bang is just a theory among many other theories. But I know for a fact, that it was not caused by an invisible being who likes to watch people burn in hell for an eternity.

All these lame stories have come up because people are unaware of true concepts.

Completely missing the point are we?? What I know about Illuminati or whether what I know is closer to truth or not is irrelevant. The question is why do you think what you know is the truth?

For your information, either you have not read the Angels and Demons or you have a very lame taste. It is a great book, a fiction. Millions around the world agree so. I did not learn about Illuminati from a fiction book, it is a fiction. I learned the name, and did my own research. I'm surprised you'd think I'm basing my claims on a fiction book. A mistake only amateurs do(Not calling you are a one).

Angels and demons, the book is a fiction that takes people away from the reality of real illuminati = Freemasons+Zionists. What the book says is no where near to what the real illuminati is.

It's like you talking about magic, and I'm saying I have read Harry Potter. So that's what happened. =)

Indeed, all these misconceptions are the productivity of illuminati tricks. See how hard we try to come to a common term regarding them.

Can be two things. Either you did not understand my point or its the other way around.

What i see that somewhere there is a point that makes the other person still stick to what he knows. I guess it is how we define GOD'S WILL.

(1) Do we agree that everything happens is GOD's will?

This world is a place of trial. We're beings with 'free will'. Remember this first. For a trial to happen there has to be options.

Eg; Writing for an exam.

The exam questions, and everything else in it, are according to Examiner's will. That doesn't mean you fail the test cos of HIS will, does it? What has happened is that HE have given options.

Look at the smoking example. You don't smoke cos of His Will.

His Will is to create an opportunity for you to choose either to smoke or not to smoke. Both options are under His Permission since this is a test. Just like the Examiner permits to fail or pass. It doesn't mean the Examiner wants someone to Fail. Even failing is happening under His permission as it is a criteria in a Test.

So both fail and pass happens under the Will of Examiner. But noway either options are forced.

Hope you understood the point I'm trying to convey.

(2) If yes, me being a non believer is GOD's will.

No.

Eg; The questions and the exam are according to Examiner's will. You are failing or passing cos of your choices.

(3) So I'm just continuing to do what he wishes. It is his will.

You are continuing to do what you please, through the 'free will' you are given for the trial purpose.

Eg; You don't keep failing cos of Examiner's Will.

(4) I do not have a choice in the matter.

You can choose to obey him any second.

(5) Anyone who choose to be a believer after sometime, it is also GOD's plan and will. He does not have a choice either.

Eg; You are starting to pass the exams, doesn't have any pre-plans with the Examiner.

So to me it seems that the free will you are talking about has nothing to do with choosing, our path destiny already predefined by GOD. You are talking about a choice within a limited frame, but even in that frame we don't have a choice.

It is a well established argument that "Free will" and "Omnimax GOD" cannot co-exist. I have thus far not seen any valid point that will say otherwise. And I've spent lots of time reading, discussing,debating this with people.

Eg; Examiner have set the questions, and will be rewarded according to the caliber of questions.


HE have set you what questions to come, when to come etc. (destiny)

You have the ability to write whatever you want. (Your free will)

We can't go and say we don't like this questions etc. He knows what questions are best for us.

It is His Exams and we're the servants who are gifted with the test (so we can pass and earn a higher status) without any benefit for Him in return.

*These are examples only that completely doesn't fit the Attributes of God Almighty and His Plans.

Once again sorry about the late reply.

TC

 

[Yamato Daiwa]

Yep, that is the summary of it.

and theres only nature laws that exist. feel free to call nature for god.
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[AncientGlory]

Force is the cause of an Action. It's like you are asking who made the force. There is an original force creating rest of actions. That original force is what people refer as 'God'. What's your view about the original force? From where did that come from?

Force is the cause of an Action and an Action itself will again cause a Force, hence becoming a Force. It is correlated. So in simple terms you are asking what triggered the initial action. Assuming there was an initial force, it is alright to call this Universe or name it GOD. But what is the reason to assume that this original force is sentient?

The question still remains. You assume that an original force always existed. I will say that universe always existed, following the same assumption. How would you refute that?

(1) There was always an original force.
(2) Nothing can come out of nothing.

The above two statements cannot co-exist. They contradict each other. If you say (1) is true then something can come out of nothing, and makes (2) false. If (2) is true then (1) becomes false likewise.

All these lame stories have come up because people are unaware of true concepts.

Well I'm still amazed by how you come to the conclusion that it is you who know the true concepts and others are with lame stories.

Angels and demons, the book is a fiction that takes people away from the reality of real illuminati = Freemasons+Zionists. What the book says is no where near to what the real illuminati is.

It's like you talking about magic, and I'm saying I have read Harry Potter. So that's what happened. =)

Indeed, all these misconceptions are the productivity of illuminati tricks. See how hard we try to come to a common term regarding them.

Again missing the point. Drop Angels and Demons or whatever. Why do you think you know about the real Illuminati than I do?

What i see that somewhere there is a point that makes the other person still stick to what he knows.

True.

This world is a place of trial. We're beings with 'free will'. Remember this first. For a trial to happen there has to be options.

Eg; Writing for an exam.

The exam questions, and everything else in it, are according to Examiner's will. That doesn't mean you fail the test cos of HIS will, does it? What has happened is that HE have given options.

Look at the smoking example. You don't smoke cos of His Will.

His Will is to create an opportunity for you to choose either to smoke or not to smoke. Both options are under His Permission since this is a test. Just like the Examiner permits to fail or pass. It doesn't mean the Examiner wants someone to Fail. Even failing is happening under His permission as it is a criteria in a Test.

So both fail and pass happens under the Will of Examiner. But noway either options are forced.

Hope you understood the point I'm trying to convey.

Actually no. I did not understood because I cannot find a direct answer to my question. It seems to me from your explanation that since GOD has given us free will and everything, everything that happens is NOT GOD's will. And without coming to an agreement on this question 1 there's no use of going further with others. So a simple yes or no will do.

(1) Do we agree that everything happens is GOD's will? (Yes or No?)

Once again sorry about the late reply.

TC

No worries. TC.

 

[Y2K]

everyhting does not happen according to the will of the God ... if you can do his will 100% then this world will be a better place


he has given you free will you can do whter u wht bt reap the fruits accordingly

life is a trial a big trial sad thing is some people dont even know whether it is a trial or not ?

you have 2 option ?

one is to understand it (go through with this trial ) or just eliminate the question by tring to escape from the Birth

 

[Y2K]

You heard it first time cos all you heard were nothing but misconceptions. Anyway let's analyze whether it is contradictory or not.



This is a very common argument.

HE created giving everyone equal chances. You are given the chance to either obey him or disobey.

As HE is ALL KNOWING, HE knows what you will do (you may change your stand one day). It doesn't mean you are not given a choice.

You still have the choice with you and nothing is forced upon you to choose any option but only what you want. In fact, you will be given more chances to revert to the correct path.

HE knows what you will eventually choose before your death. But that doesn't have any influences with any of your options. Hope you got the point.

“Say: ‘Truth is from your Lord’. Now whosoever will, may believe, and whosoever will, may disbelieve.” (Al-Kahf: 29).

“If it had been your Lord’s will, all who are in the earth would have believed. Will you, then, force the people to become believers?” (Yunus: 99).

If God Almighty needed HE could have made everyone a believer without giving them options. Humans are accountable only to those that they had options. Now you have the option.

No way it is forced from God Almighty to choose any. Is he forcing you not to believe?

well done

 

[Y2K]

people got used to blame others ... God has created a wonderfull place but Humans spoiled it and curse the God ...

just imagine everyone is doing only good deeds then there will be a heaven on earth

"Kindom of heaven is within you"

 

[Y2K]

love can not be forced my dear friends

 

[dilankandy]

people got used to blame others ... God has created a wonderfull place but Humans spoiled it and curse the God ...

just imagine everyone is doing only good deeds then there will be a heaven on earth

"Kindom of heaven is within you"

well then guess god is not almighty at all..

 

[AncientGlory]

just imagine everyone is doing only good deeds then there will be a heaven on earth

Will that be bad?

 

[Pizziesta]

Force is the cause of an Action and an Action itself will again cause a Force, hence becoming a Force. It is correlated. So in simple terms you are asking what triggered the initial action. Assuming there was an initial force, it is alright to call this Universe or name it GOD. But what is the reason to assume that this original force is sentient?

The question still remains. You assume that an original force always existed. I will say that universe always existed, following the same assumption. How would you refute that?

(1) There was always an original force.
(2) Nothing can come out of nothing.

The above two statements cannot co-exist. They contradict each other. If you say (1) is true then something can come out of nothing, and makes (2) false. If (2) is true then (1) becomes false likewise.

What i wanted to know is your standard on this.

Anyway, you are basically asking How God Almighty came to exist?

- Indeed, we know nothing can come out of nothing, so that original intelligent power didn't come from nothing.

- We all experience a power and our experience is the proof of its existence. (We know that there is/was an original force - without which even 'big bang' couldn't happen)

- So there is this Power for sure, yet it didn't come out of nothing.

So this is a power which didn't come from nothing but through a different way - Possession of self power or any other way.

Well I'm still amazed by how you come to the conclusion that it is you who know the true concepts and others are with lame stories.

I'm sorry if i sounded arrogant. But me being a Muslim, i know what it really teaches and the misconceptions created by haters, just like you would try to defend those claims about your practicing faith, that are not your faith's at all.

Again missing the point. Drop Angels and Demons or whatever. Why do you think you know about the real Illuminati than I do?]

The stuff that i have researched includes the angels and demons being a book influenced by Illuminati to fool people. That's why i said it.

Anyway i don't know what's your view point about real illuminati yet. Of course, there are various believes about them. So we can put up those materials that made us believe what we believe as the truth, and then discuss. Anyone could be wrong, and there are plenty of learning opportunities.

You can start off by pointing out claims that you believe on them.

So, then i can arrange my view point and answer according. If not, i will have to put up all those things which could be unnecessary for this discussion.

Thanks.

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Ok, let's clear them out.

Actually no. I did not understood because I cannot find a direct answer to my question. It seems to me from your explanation that since GOD has given us free will and everything, everything that happens is NOT GOD's will. And without coming to an agreement on this question 1 there's no use of going further with others. So a simple yes or no will do.[/SIZE][/FONT]

Yes. Everything is happening according to God's Will. But you must understand what i mean by God's Will, and the whole concept. God's Will includes a mastermind testing plan, that connects every action of ours into one another.

In that very testing plan, we are given a freedom to act upon our decisions and actions - to obey Him or disobey Him. That is free will.

It never contradict. If i say it is God's Will, then you say there are no chances for our free will. If i say, it is our will that creates every other actions, then you say that it is not God Almighty's.

Once you completely understood the concept, you will get to know that it is not as simple as, yes or no.

Everything happens to HIS decree - From the gravity that holds us onto the earth to the choices we get to choose.

Our free will - Those choices which God Almighty has given us through his Will - Here we have the full freedom to choose whatever we want.

Anyway, hope the following will give you a much clearer idea.

(1) Do we agree that everything happens is GOD's will? (Yes or No?)

I'm sorry i have made a mistake before in explaining. Anyway hope things will be clear now. This is a complex question that needs to define what we believe as God's Will, which is a concept. If not, there are always chances for misconceptions. Hopefully, this will answer every other questions related to this matter.

THE WHOLE LIFE AND THE END IS NOT PRE-DESTINED. - But only Main Things! Such as;

- Birth
- Death
- Good / Bad health
- Information regarding, "The Message" to that person.

REST OF THE LIFE IS HOW WE BUILD OUR LIFE, THROUGH THE DECISIONS AND ACTIONS WE MAKE.


Here, we grow up and acquire the means to happiness or misery. We are given the ability to make choices after the age of puberty and we will later be punished or rewarded based upon them.

God Almighty gives each of us the natural Fitrah - knowledge of good and bad as well as right and wrong. The rest is up to us. As the Quran says, "By the Soul, and the proportion and order given to it, and its enlightenment as to its wrong and its right--Truly he succeeds that purifies it, and he fails that corrupts it!" (91:7-10)


Eg; When someone don't study and fail an exam - He have failed as a result of his own failures - He would have used the 'time' given to him to study for other reasons which prevented him from passing the exam - He didn't fail because God Almighty wanted him to fail but for his decisions and actions.

Eg; When someone find difficulties in marriage - That person have chosen a life partner for beauty, money, etc and not for true love. - The difficulties that person finds in marriage are not pre-destined - Had he followed what God Almighty recommends in choosing a life partner, that person would have found happiness in the marriage.

Today, when a calamity strikes, most people think it is the Will of God Almighty, and puts blame on God, instead of their own disobedience.

Eg: A faithed person is asked by friends to drink Alcohol.

A true faithed person will always restrain from such acts. But some will do these acts a bit. Some fully. So when they chose the wrong path - to drink alcohol - all those problems are attached to it, will come into his/her life.

Eg of self created problems: People backbites and creates a bad relationship with their relatives, which causes a family brake up. The brake up was not pre-planned by God Almighty, but something happened because of their actions - to backbite.

Now these people are effected badly with the decisions they took, and their life style is changed. They can still choose good, by asking forgiveness from those people, and then from God Almighty. So whatever happens next in their life span, has a effect from the decisions they took.


TRIALS (FITNAS) - There are trials that sends upon people as a mean of testing, for many reasons depending on the status of faith the person posses.

But these trials and problems - that people create for themselves through disobedience, are different.


BLESSINGS - There are blessings that Sends upon one's life, for various reasons, that are subjected him only or for those around him.

Eg; The blessing of knowledge from the early years - So, that person can learn and teach others. He can use his blessing (capability to learn very well) to benefit others. So those around him are arranged to get 'The Message' from him. If he fails by giving less effort or through disobedience, God Almighty will arrange another method, through which those group of people will get 'The Message'.

SO THERE ARE BLESSINGS, AND OTHER FORMS OF TESTINGS, THAT ARE DESTINED ON ONE'S LIFE SPAN ACCORDING TO THE DECISIONS AND ACTIONS HE MAKES, WHICH THE PERSON CAN UTILIZE TO PASS THE TEST OR FAIL, THROUGH "HIS FREE WILL".

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You would have heard people saying, 'Insha ALLAH! - God Willing' when talks about doing something in future.

Eg; Going to school tomorrow -
True concept: That person puts the trust in ALLAH, because he/she has to be alive tomorrow, and be able to come to school without being prevented from blessings, trials, corruptions from others, etc.

But that person MUST put the effort to come to school.

False concept: People put blame on God Almighty for every reason without putting any effort.

Eg; That person is lazy to go to school and says only if God Almighty wants he/she will attend the classes.


Conclusion Points

- We have given knowledge of good - bad, right and wrong!

- We are set free to act upon our own decisions and actions, either to obey or disobey.

- Through those actions our life gets adjusted.

- EVERYTHING HAPPENING ARE GOVERNED BY GOD ALMIGHTY, causing blessings and trials, according to one's decisions and actions.

Conclusion

Everything is happening to a decree that God Almighty is allowing to happen, let it be Good or Evil - in the short term or long term, that since this is a 'test'.

Yes, Everything is happening to the Will Of God Almighty.

 

[Pizziesta]

"Kindom of heaven is within you"

Kingdom of heaven is within you - That we posses the opportunity to achieve the heaven, within us. =P not that we can create it here since Iblees and his followers of jinn and mankind are here anyway - The evil has let to occur as a mean of testing.

people got used to blame others ... God has created a wonderfull place but Humans spoiled it and curse the God ...

just imagine everyone is doing only good deeds then there will be a heaven on earth

True, it is people and jinn who are spoiling it.

Yet, this is just a place of trial, and true heaven is far from even being compared to the small dimension we are subjected to - This world.

Just clearing out so many others will not be confused about its concepts

Salam Alaikum.

 

[AncientGlory]

What i wanted to know is your standard on this.

Anyway, you are basically asking How God Almighty came to exist?

- Indeed, we know nothing can come out of nothing, so that original intelligent power didn't come from nothing.

- We all experience a power and our experience is the proof of its existence. (We know that there is/was an original force - without which even 'big bang' couldn't happen)

- So there is this Power for sure, yet it didn't come out of nothing.

So this is a power which didn't come from nothing but through a different way - Possession of self power or any other way.

If it came from possession of self power, that is saying A came from A, which supports again A was always there. Since we already agreed that nothing can come out of nothing, this cannot be true.

So this suggests GOD came from something superior.

Also It is quite simple and rational to think there was an original force. But assuming this force is intelligent is in turn not so rational. Why do you think it is intelligent?

I'm sorry if i sounded arrogant. But me being a Muslim, i know what it really teaches and the misconceptions created by haters, just like you would try to defend those claims about your practicing faith, that are not your faith's at all.

No worries. It is perfectly alright to assume that what you believe is true. Otherwise why would one believe it? But it is not alright to claim this when discussing with a non believer specially when "Is what you believe is true" is the topic of the subject.

The stuff that i have researched includes the angels and demons being a book influenced by Illuminati to fool people. That's why i said it.

Anyway i don't know what's your view point about real illuminati yet. Of course, there are various believes about them. So we can put up those materials that made us believe what we believe as the truth, and then discuss. Anyone could be wrong, and there are plenty of learning opportunities.

You can start off by pointing out claims that you believe on them.

So, then i can arrange my view point and answer according. If not, i will have to put up all those things which could be unnecessary for this discussion.

Thanks.

I'm not claiming that I know more about Illuminati, coz I do not. My point was again claiming what you know is true, basing the research you did on internet(Specially since I also have access to the same resources) is not credible. I specially wanted to point out, whether a part of Illuminati or not, I have had encounters with people who claim themselves "satanists"(They worship the devil, only they call him an angel). So based on that real life experience I have come to some conclusions about these devil worshipers, and therefor my story about them should add a value to the discussion since you do not have access to that resource.

Anyway, this whole thing about Illuminati is not relevant IMO.

Yes. Everything is happening according to God's Will.

So me being a non believer is GOD's will, is it not?

In that very testing plan, we are given a freedom to act upon our decisions and actions - to obey Him or disobey Him. That is free will.

But again what I do is his will is it not? Otherwise everything that happens will not be GOD's will.

It never contradict.

I cannot agree.

If i say it is God's Will, then you say there are no chances for our free will. If i say, it is our will that creates every other actions, then you say that it is not God Almighty's.

Once you completely understood the concept, you will get to know that it is not as simple as, yes or no.

On the contrary, I think it is as simple as "yes" and "No". You answered the question with a "yes", didn't you??. I think there is nothing difficult to grasp here. Within that free will frame, whatever happens is still GODs will.

Everything happens to HIS decree - From the gravity that holds us onto the earth to the choices we get to choose.

Choices we get to choose? This does not agree with your previous statement. If we have a choice to choose, how can it be GOD's will? If the choice we make is GODs will, how can it be a choice?

THE WHOLE LIFE AND THE END IS NOT PRE-DESTINED. - But only Main Things! Such as;

If whole life and end is not pre-destined, that is whatever happen in the middle is based on individual preference(free will), it cannot be GODs will. So in this case whatever happens in between life is not GOD's will. The free will concept and Omnimax GOD contradicts again.

 

[humanoid]

This is not true.God has a creator.according to this god is living here for more than trillion of years.more than that as he existed all the time.according to this god is living here for more than trillion of years.more than that as he existed all the time.If had atleast lived trillion of years ago from today,then god could have created the earth billions of years ago.
man could have achived today's technology millions years ago. but we had fair technological development only 100 years ago.therefore no way god existed trillion of years ago from today.this shows god was created.other wise those so called messengers from god could have come here billion of years ago.but they came here just 2000 years ago.By now we should be in hell or heaven if God was here for trillion years ago.
Muslims could have had judgment day billions years ago.
ලෝකය අල්ලේ නටවන්නම්.බම්බරය වැල්ලේ කරකන්නම්

 

[AncientGlory]

If had atleast lived trillion of years ago from today,then god could have created the earth billions of years ago.

He could have. Not he should have.

man could have achived today's technology millions years ago. but we had fair technological development only 100 years ago.therefore no way god existed trillion of years ago from today.this shows god was created.other wise those so called messengers from god could have come here billion of years ago.but they came here just 2000 years ago.By now we should be in hell or heaven if God was here for trillion years ago.
Muslims could have had judgment day billions years ago.

There is a serious flow in this logic. Assuming Omnimax GOD exists, it would be near to impossible to guess what he does when he does and why. One cannot say that because he existed all this time, he should have done all these things many years ago.
Ex: Assume you are married and you and your wife are both fertile. You can make a baby anytime you want. But does that mean you are gonna do that just like that, the moment you marry? You might wait couple of years, maybe ten years, or maybe you might never do the thing.

 

[humanoid]

[/H[FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]There is a serious flow in this logic. Assuming Omnimax GOD exists, it would be near to impossible to guess what he does when he does and why. One cannot say that because he existed all this time, he should have done all these things many years ago.
Ex: Assume you are married and you and your wife are both fertile. You can make a baby anytime you want. But does that mean you are gonna do that just like that, the moment you marry? You might wait couple of years, maybe ten years, or maybe you might never do the thing.[/SIZE][/FONT] TML]
 
[SIZE=5][COLOR=blue]When God is eternal, there is no way we have a history of 6000 years .What was God doing all that time.eternal means infinite.Do u think God does not have time but created time as well?[/COLOR][/SIZE]
[SIZE=5][COLOR=#0000ff]By the way which kind of creation are you talking about? islam, christianity or hindu?[/COLOR][/SIZE]
[SIZE=5][COLOR=#0000ff]I am bit curious about satan.was he created or he is same like God? [/COLOR][/SIZE]