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AS per Ancient Glory:QURAN has NO SCIENTIFIC PROOF & IT HAS ERRORS
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Yes same versus. this is the commentary for the word missile and balance part.......
what is happening to your guys are that you just picking up the versus and looking at the plain meaning without checking the broad meaning or commentary of the quran. there are many things to be taken in to account while you interpret the translation of quran.such as why and in which circumstances quran versus were revealed.
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it shows your lack of understanding of quran, and it is appropriate to call as moron to the people who don't believe in this simple thing.
In 1915 Einstein proposed that time was relative, that the passage of time altered according to space, the speed of the person travelling and the force of gravity at that moment. Bearing in mind these differences in the passage of time, the period of time in which the universe was created as revealed in seven different verses of the Qur'an is actually highly compatible with scientists' estimations. The six-day period revealed in the Qur'an can be thought of as six periods. Because, taking into account the relativity of time, a "day" refers only to a 24-hour period experienced on Earth under current conditions. Elsewhere in the universe, however, at another time and under other conditions, a "day" could refer to a much longer period of time. Indeed, the word "ayyamin" in the period of six days (sittati ayyamin) in these verses (Qur'an 32:4, 10:3, 11:7, 25:59, 57:4, 50:38, and 7:54) means not only "days," but also "age, period, moment, term."
hope you understand , if you need further explanation please dont hesitate to ask
okay here is a simple question, according to your logic approximately 4.5 billion years (the time which took to create earth) can be 6 periods of time (days) for god. Then a day for god goes about 0.75 billion years. and finally god took a rest a day. and i bet he must be resting even now according to your logic.
But still you can say that after the creation of world god took rest for one earthly days. then why couldn't god create world in 6 human days. How can you tell when god decide to switch between time periods?
moreover if your god is almighty as you say why should he take that much of time to create earth. he could have created in just within a moment of a thought.
and can you please quote some phrases in quran which says that time or days are relative to god. AND REMEMBER IF THERE IS AN ALMIGHTY EVERYTHING WHICH OCCUR IS RELATIVE TO HIM. If god is relative to anything why call him god anyway?
P.S as far as i remember it was a muslim guy who posted that god exist out of time.
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This sentence can have two meanings and both are correct:
1-The sun does not have the power that it should draw the moon into itself, or enter its orbit and collide with it; and
2-the sun cannot appear in the times which have been appointed for the rising and appearing of the moon. It is not possible that the sun should suddenly appear on the horizon when the moon is shining at night.
Nor does this happen either that the night should approach before the appointed period of the day comes to an end, and should start spreading its darkness suddenly during the time when the day is meant to spread its light.
The word falak in Arabic is used for the orbit of the planets, and it gives a different meaning from the word sama' (sky). The sentence, "Each is gliding in its own orbit," points to four realities:
-That not only the sun and the moon but all the stars and planets and celestial bodies are moving;
-the falak, or orbit, of each one of them is separate;
-that the orbits are not moving with the stars in them, but the stars are moving in the orbits; and
-that the movement of the stars in their orbits is similar to the floating of something in a fluid.
These verses are not intended to describe the realities of astronomy, but are meant to make man understand that if he looks around himself, with open eyes, and uses his common sense, he will find countless and limitless proofs of the existence of God and His Unity, and he will not come across a single proof of atheism and shirk
"Everything in the world has been created on the principle of the pairs. The whole system of the Universe is functioning on the principle that certain things are complementary and matching to certain others, and their combination brings into being countless new forms and combinations. Nothing here is so unique as may have no match, for the fact is that a thing becomes productive only after it has combined with its matching partner. " (For further explanation, sec E.N. 31 of Surah Ya Sin, and' E.N. 12 of Az-Zukhruf).
That is, "The erection of the whole Universe on the principle of the pairs and the existence of all things in the world in couples is a reality that testifies . expressly to the necessity of the Hereafter. If you consider it deeply you will yourself come to the conclusion that when everything in the world has a partner and nothing becomes productive without combining with its partner, how can the life of the world be without a match and partner? Its match and partner necessarily is the Hereafter. Without that partner it would be absolutely fruitless."
Err..Guys...
shsh..
Allah dont know Modern embryology. Also he doesnt know Astronomy.
But!
He sent his PEDO - Messenger with a crazy book. Thats enough for our tiny-teeny -weeny brains to comprhend that Allah exist and modern science is wrong.
shsh..
Allah dont know Modern embryology. Also he doesnt know Astronomy.
But!
He sent his PEDO - Messenger with a crazy book. Thats enough for our tiny-teeny -weeny brains to comprhend that Allah exist and modern science is wrong.
I just want to reiterate on the issue of 6days creation of heaven and earth.
The general outline of the development of the heavens and the earth is summarized into three stages mentioned in Surat (Fussilat, verses 9-12); where Allah says:
((قُلْ أَئِنَّكُمْ لَتَكْفُرُونَ بِالَّذِي خَلَقَ الْأَرْضَ فِي يَوْمَيْنِ وَتَجْعَلُونَ لَهُ أَندَاداً ذَلِكَ رَبُّ الْعَالَمِينَ)) (فصلت:9)
Which means: ((Is it that ye deny Him Who created the earth in two days? and do ye join equals with Him? He is The Lord of (all) the worlds)). (Quran 41:9)
((وَجَعَلَ فِيهَا رَوَاسِيَ مِن فَوْقِهَا وَبَارَكَ فِيهَا وَقَدَّرَ فِيهَا أَقْوَاتَهَا فِي أَرْبَعَةِ أَيَّامٍ سَوَاء لِّلسَّائِلِينَ)) (فصلت:10)
Which means: (( He set on the (earth), mountains standing firm, high above it, and bestowed blessings on the earth, and measured there in all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in four days, in accordance with (the needs of) those who seek sustenance)). (Quran 41:10)
((ثُمَّ اسْتَوَى إِلَى السَّمَاء وَهِيَ دُخَانٌ فَقَالَ لَهَا وَلِلْأَرْضِ اِئْتِيَا طَوْعاً أَوْ كَرْهاً قَالَتَا أَتَيْنَا طَائِعِينَ فَقَضَاهُنَّ سَبْعَ سَمَاوَاتٍ فِي يَوْمَيْنِ وَأَوْحَى فِي كُلِّ سَمَاء أَمْرَهَا وَزَيَّنَّا السَّمَاء الدُّنْيَا بِمَصَابِيحَ وَحِفْظاً ذَلِكَ تَقْدِيرُ الْعَزِيزِ الْعَلِيمِ)) (فصلت:11-12)
Which means: ((Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) "smoke": He said to it and to earth: "Come ye together, willingly or unwillingly" They said: "we do come (together) in willing obedience." So he completed them as seven firmaments in two days, and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command, and we adorned the lower heaven with lights, and (provided it) with guard. Such is the decree of (Him) The Exalted in Might, full of knowledge)). (Quran 41:11-12)
How old is the Universe?
A- Scientific approach: Astronomers estimate the age of the universe by different methods. Two ways are essential: 1) by looking for the oldest stars; and 2) by measuring the rate of expansion of the universe and the expansion rate tell them how long the galaxies have been traveling since the big bang, and thus provide a rough age for the Universe NASA's Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) project estimates the age of the universe to be: (13.73 ± 0.12) × 109 years. The age of the universe is about three times the age of the earth.
Universe Age from Microwave Background
The above sky map tells us the universe is 13.7 billion years old -- but how? At first look, one only sees the microwave glow of gas from our Milky Way Galaxy, coded red, and a spotty pattern of microwaves emitted from the early universe, coded in gray. The gray cosmic microwave background is light that used to bounce around randomly but came directly to us when the expanding universe became cool enough for nearly transparent atoms to form. A close inspection of the spots reveals a slightly preferred angular distance between them. One expects such a pattern to be generated by sound emanating from slightly over-dense regions of the early universe. Sound waves will take time to generate such a pattern, and the present age of the universe can then be directly extrapolated. The above universe age is estimated to be accurate to better than 0.2 billion years. The above map was taken by the WMAP satellite orbiting the Sun at the L2 point, just outside the orbit of the Earth.
B- Qur’anic approach: In Glorious Qur’an Allah says:
((قُلْ سِيرُوا فِي الْأَرْضِ فَانظُرُوا كَيْفَ بَدَأَ الْخَلْقَ ثُمَّ اللَّهُ يُنشِئُ النَّشْأَةَ الْآخِرَةَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلَى كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِير)) (العنكبوت:20)
Which means: ((Travel in the land and see how (Allâh) originated creation, and then Allâh will bring forth the creation of the Hereafter (i.e. resurrection after death). Verily, Allâh is Able to do all things)). (Quran 29:20)
In this verse Allah commanded people to wake in the earth and look how creation began? The verse has different meanings; it may refer to the beginning of life where creatures appeared for the first time in the earth, or the successive appearance of organisms through time. I think that the word creation is very broad including the creation of life as well as the universe.
I think that the stages of creation mentioned in the previous verses give a key for geologist to determine the age of the universe. Such determination based in two findings:
a- Assuming that these thee stages are equal in time.
b- One stage of them represents the geologic time scale where Allah says: (( He set on the (earth), mountains standing firm, high above it, and bestowed blessings on the earth, and measured there in all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in four days, in accordance with (the needs of) those who seek sustenance)). (Quran 41:10)
Then the multiplication the age of the earth by three gives the age of the universe:
Age of the universe = 3x4.56 = 13.68 billion years [oldest rock of the earth is Acasta Gneiss, Northern Canada about 3.96 Billion Years, oldest mineral crystals on Earth is Zircon, Jack Hills Conglomerate. Age of the Earth - 4.56 Billion Years]
Oldest mineral crystals on Earth is Zircon
The general outline of the development of the heavens and the earth is summarized into three stages mentioned in Surat (Fussilat, verses 9-12); where Allah says:
((قُلْ أَئِنَّكُمْ لَتَكْفُرُونَ بِالَّذِي خَلَقَ الْأَرْضَ فِي يَوْمَيْنِ وَتَجْعَلُونَ لَهُ أَندَاداً ذَلِكَ رَبُّ الْعَالَمِينَ)) (فصلت:9)
Which means: ((Is it that ye deny Him Who created the earth in two days? and do ye join equals with Him? He is The Lord of (all) the worlds)). (Quran 41:9)
((وَجَعَلَ فِيهَا رَوَاسِيَ مِن فَوْقِهَا وَبَارَكَ فِيهَا وَقَدَّرَ فِيهَا أَقْوَاتَهَا فِي أَرْبَعَةِ أَيَّامٍ سَوَاء لِّلسَّائِلِينَ)) (فصلت:10)
Which means: (( He set on the (earth), mountains standing firm, high above it, and bestowed blessings on the earth, and measured there in all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in four days, in accordance with (the needs of) those who seek sustenance)). (Quran 41:10)
((ثُمَّ اسْتَوَى إِلَى السَّمَاء وَهِيَ دُخَانٌ فَقَالَ لَهَا وَلِلْأَرْضِ اِئْتِيَا طَوْعاً أَوْ كَرْهاً قَالَتَا أَتَيْنَا طَائِعِينَ فَقَضَاهُنَّ سَبْعَ سَمَاوَاتٍ فِي يَوْمَيْنِ وَأَوْحَى فِي كُلِّ سَمَاء أَمْرَهَا وَزَيَّنَّا السَّمَاء الدُّنْيَا بِمَصَابِيحَ وَحِفْظاً ذَلِكَ تَقْدِيرُ الْعَزِيزِ الْعَلِيمِ)) (فصلت:11-12)
Which means: ((Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) "smoke": He said to it and to earth: "Come ye together, willingly or unwillingly" They said: "we do come (together) in willing obedience." So he completed them as seven firmaments in two days, and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command, and we adorned the lower heaven with lights, and (provided it) with guard. Such is the decree of (Him) The Exalted in Might, full of knowledge)). (Quran 41:11-12)
How old is the Universe?
A- Scientific approach: Astronomers estimate the age of the universe by different methods. Two ways are essential: 1) by looking for the oldest stars; and 2) by measuring the rate of expansion of the universe and the expansion rate tell them how long the galaxies have been traveling since the big bang, and thus provide a rough age for the Universe NASA's Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) project estimates the age of the universe to be: (13.73 ± 0.12) × 109 years. The age of the universe is about three times the age of the earth.
Universe Age from Microwave Background
The above sky map tells us the universe is 13.7 billion years old -- but how? At first look, one only sees the microwave glow of gas from our Milky Way Galaxy, coded red, and a spotty pattern of microwaves emitted from the early universe, coded in gray. The gray cosmic microwave background is light that used to bounce around randomly but came directly to us when the expanding universe became cool enough for nearly transparent atoms to form. A close inspection of the spots reveals a slightly preferred angular distance between them. One expects such a pattern to be generated by sound emanating from slightly over-dense regions of the early universe. Sound waves will take time to generate such a pattern, and the present age of the universe can then be directly extrapolated. The above universe age is estimated to be accurate to better than 0.2 billion years. The above map was taken by the WMAP satellite orbiting the Sun at the L2 point, just outside the orbit of the Earth.
B- Qur’anic approach: In Glorious Qur’an Allah says:
((قُلْ سِيرُوا فِي الْأَرْضِ فَانظُرُوا كَيْفَ بَدَأَ الْخَلْقَ ثُمَّ اللَّهُ يُنشِئُ النَّشْأَةَ الْآخِرَةَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلَى كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِير)) (العنكبوت:20)
Which means: ((Travel in the land and see how (Allâh) originated creation, and then Allâh will bring forth the creation of the Hereafter (i.e. resurrection after death). Verily, Allâh is Able to do all things)). (Quran 29:20)
In this verse Allah commanded people to wake in the earth and look how creation began? The verse has different meanings; it may refer to the beginning of life where creatures appeared for the first time in the earth, or the successive appearance of organisms through time. I think that the word creation is very broad including the creation of life as well as the universe.
I think that the stages of creation mentioned in the previous verses give a key for geologist to determine the age of the universe. Such determination based in two findings:
a- Assuming that these thee stages are equal in time.
b- One stage of them represents the geologic time scale where Allah says: (( He set on the (earth), mountains standing firm, high above it, and bestowed blessings on the earth, and measured there in all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in four days, in accordance with (the needs of) those who seek sustenance)). (Quran 41:10)
Then the multiplication the age of the earth by three gives the age of the universe:
Age of the universe = 3x4.56 = 13.68 billion years [oldest rock of the earth is Acasta Gneiss, Northern Canada about 3.96 Billion Years, oldest mineral crystals on Earth is Zircon, Jack Hills Conglomerate. Age of the Earth - 4.56 Billion Years]
Oldest mineral crystals on Earth is Zircon
කිඹුලා බනිස්;8278600 said:Err..Guys...
shsh..
Allah dont know Modern embryology. Also he doesnt know Astronomy.
But!
He sent his PEDO - Messenger with a crazy book. Thats enough for our tiny-teeny -weeny brains to comprhend that Allah exist and modern science is wrong.
Your Quote doesn't prove anything here. either you bring something useful questions or keep your mouth shut & read at least what post we are exchanging here, without filling the forum with your illogical posts unnecessarily, it is so much irritating to see your baseless talks. you can have discussion in different thread with dilankandy who is almost similar to you.
this is my humble request to you. see my self and ancientglory is having discussion in peaceful manner. if you have some genuine question of course you may bring it, rather than disturbing the whole thread.
Hey mate,
My Question still stands Unanswered!
I am the first to pose a genuine question about How Quran contradicts Modern biomedical Knowledge. No one has come up with an acceptable reply.
On top of that people like you who doesnt have a clue about modern science, claim stupidest nonsense in vain.
So Quran/Allah/muslims cannot rectify the obvious contradiction?
Quran is again, as usual in a big mess eh?
කිඹුලා බනිස්;8281532 said:Hey mate,
My Question still stands Unanswered!
I am the first to pose a genuine question about How Quran contradicts Modern biomedical Knowledge. No one has come up with an acceptable reply.
On top of that people like you who doesnt have a clue about modern science, claim stupidest nonsense in vain.
So Quran/Allah/muslims cannot rectify the obvious contradiction?
Quran is again, as usual in a big mess eh?
Hello buddy,
take it easy.Quran never contradict with modern science. it is you guys give plain opinion to Quranic versus without going in to the commentary of the versus.
by the way if you can put your exact question once again clearly here, it will be answered to you.
Mate!
I am not going to play your EVADING and RUN away games. Goto the 2nd Post and read it. You act like you have selective dementia.
කිඹුලා බනිස්;8281744 said:Mate!
I am not going to play your EVADING and RUN away games. Goto the 2nd Post and read it. You act like you have selective dementia.
I'm Neither running away nor evading. again your talk prove you are useless. for your 2nd post, I answered you with Dr Zakir video Answer to Dr. William chambell when the same question posted by Dr.William chambell in that event. if you are ignorant to see that video, we are not responsible for that.
Ha ha ha
Should we waste our time with this kind of MORONS??
You even cant understand what is Dermomyotome! yet still dare to comment. what a joker!
So you think that we should accept some stupid muslim speakers word against Modern embryology, Cell biology, cellular signalling???
Get lost moron!
My advice for you- Dont start what you cant handle.
කිඹුලා බනිස්;8282378 said:
Ha ha ha
Should we waste our time with this kind of MORONS??
You even cant understand what is Dermomyotome! yet still dare to comment. what a joker!
So you think that we should accept some stupid muslim speakers word against Modern embryology, Cell biology, cellular signalling???
Get lost moron!
My advice for you- Dont start what you cant handle.
This is your personal opinion based on your knowledge. but I don't think I am a moron.neither Dr.Zakir, who had discussion with great personalities and spiritual leaders, if i accept with you that Dr Zakir is stupid, even I have to agree that people who went on to discuss with Dr.Zakir Naik also stupids.taking in to consideration of all those well learned personalities. One can't agree with what you said, instead they will think you are fool.
I only wanted the original link to check the scientific background of the original author. Which is Nil, by the way.
Meteorites do not originate from stars.
I'm not surprised that you missed the sarcasm in my post. I'm just surprised after all the discussions we had you thought I don't know what I'm talking about.
Anyway, here's my point.
When looking at the quran the plain meaning is what we can see directly. Now people interpret it in different ways, sometimes the meaning is unbelievable, and has a very remote connection to the original words used in the verse.
For example:
was supposed to mean,
Now it seems to me that words/word phrases like ascending to heavens, meteorites are not mentioned in the quaranic verse. So who interpreted the meaning? What authority does he have for this? Why should we not interpret our own meaning? Why should we believe something else other than the obvious direct meaning?
This is a reason for some muslims to believe that they must kill the infidels. They interpret the verses way they want. So what is the correct interpretation?
This question came to my mind when I was discussing about the challenge in quran. When I asked what the conditions for the challenge are, people told me that it should be in arabic, It must be like this, that etc. But when I looked at the original quaranic verse, it just said "produce a surah like it". So people try to give definitions for the "surah like it". To me it seems like they are altering the word of allah.
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My understanding of quran of course is very discrete and basic. I apologize for the word used.
A fair explanation. Original author harun yahya. Link - http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_33.html
(I'd appreciate if you post the original link when you copy paste stuff from internet).
Even though harun yahya has no idea what the special theory of relativity is about (Anyone who read the full article will find few things to amuse yourself, ex:he talks about relativity of time and then mentions a universal time in the same time) he has managed to explain the 6 day creation using it.
Also please note that harun yahya has no scientific background at all. I'm not saying that a person who has no scientific background cannot know science. But when someone tries to talk too much about it, he unknowingly strips himself up. Read the link.
Not an accurate statement. Care to explain?
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