AS per Ancient Glory:QURAN has NO SCIENTIFIC PROOF & IT HAS ERRORS

[AncientGlory]

derived from ‘Sabaha’, for a celestial body - it will not mean… it is flying, it will mean, it is rotating about its own axis.

How do you know that it means this?

 

[AncientGlory]

I owe Ancient glory the biggest "I told you so" in the century!!!

Well I had it coming.. lol..

 

[AncientGlory]

being a non science student if I can challenge you, Just imagine how can a well studied Science person can refute you..You will have hard times surely.

I have 9 Iranian , 2 Soudi arabian Engineers doing research at my work place. My best friend is from Pakistan. They do not speak about science in quran. I only find people who have no clue what science is trying to talk about it. In all the links you copy pasted I never found a guy with a scientific background.

As usual You again wrong, with regard to this Noble Verse, we see Allah Almighty Declaring that of everything that He created, He Created pairs or two kinds for them. This Noble Verse does not speak about sexual reproduction. It clearly and indisputably Says that of every kind of creation out there, two kinds of this creation/species exist. To us, we might think of them as males and females,
but this is not always correct.

you can refer to this site for more reference. http://www.answering-christianity.com/of_everything_pairs_are_created.htm

So what's the pair of a photon? What's the pair of an asexual animal?

 

[dilankandy]

I have 9 Iranian , 2 Soudi arabian Engineers doing research at my work place. My best friend is from Pakistan. They do not speak about science in quran. I only find people who have no clue what science is trying to talk about it. In all the links you copy pasted I never found a guy with a scientific background.



So what's the pair of a photon? What's the pair of an asexual animal?

 

[I love Srilanka]

How do you know that it means this?

See when you take a plain meaning for something you are bound to mislead yourself. even English words place to place gives different meanings, then why can't Divine revelation cant use the appropriate words to describe the rotation.

"It is He Who created the Night and the Day, and the sun and the moon: all (the celestial bodies) swim along, each in its rounded course. (The Noble Quran, 21:33)"
‏36:40 لاالشمس ينبغي لها ان تدرك القمر ولاالليل سابق النهار وكل في فلك يسبحون

"It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day: Each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit (according to Law). (The Noble Quran, 36:40)"

As we clearly see in these Noble Verses, Allah Almighty precisely chose "swim" to describe the movement of all of the celestial bodies in the Universe. Obviously, there wouldn't be any swimming if there wasn't a sea-like space up there.

So what is this sea-like space? Is it filled with water?

Obviously, air and space, to man, today and 1,500 years ago, and in all ages had always been something that feels empty. It is not water and the Noble Quran doesn't say that it is water either. The swimming in space is rather done by what scientists today call "Gravitational Waves". There are literally gravitational waves up there in space as we have waves in our seas, and all celestial bodies are swimming in these waves. Allah Almighty also Said:

‏55:7 والسماء رفعها ووضع الميزان
"He raised the firmament far above, and set up a (perfect) BALANCE. (The Noble Quran, 55:7)"

As the following Scientific Proofs demonstrate, this perfect balance is none other than the Balance of Gravities:
NO-1

NO-2

 

[I love Srilanka]

I have 9 Iranian , 2 Soudi arabian Engineers doing research at my work place. My best friend is from Pakistan. They do not speak about science in quran. I only find people who have no clue what science is trying to talk about it. In all the links you copy pasted I never found a guy with a scientific background.

1st of all, You can have 1000 of Muslims friends we can't expect all of them to be knowledgeable people either on the science or Quran. other thing you didn't clearly say what research they r doing.if you mean they r engineers then how can u expect engineers to know science. you can come to conclusion as to quran is wrong abt science only after debating with some knowledgeable people, not based on your Pakistani friend. and moreover for your information whatever sofar you brought is not scientific allegation but text errors.i guess this was easy for you as you are a player in wordgame.anyway i dont mind.

whenever i post something,You keep on telling no body has scientific background then what about this scientists them self talks good about Islam, are you going to refute this also with your word game.
http://scienceislam.com/scientists_quran.php

So what's the pair of a photon? What's the pair of an asexual animal?

Hermaphrodite species are those that have both the male and female organs and can reproduce by themselves due to those organs:

"The term is sometimes used inaccurately to describe reproduction modes in hermaphroditic species which can reproduce by themselves because they contain reproductive organs of both sexes." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthenogenesis

Certainly, these species do not contradict at all the Glorious Quran. On the contrary, they further prove Allah Almighty's Divine Claims, because here we have a group of species that still need to reproduce by having the pairs in them. Yes, it would be one specie reproducing by itself, assuming that this is scientifically accurate to begin with, since much of these studies are still unconfirmed theories, as shown below, especially in the microscopic world, but be as it may, each specie in this group, nonetheless:

1-Is still a representation of the pairs. It could be one or the other or both.

2-Wouldn't be able to reproduce if it didn't have those two organs in it.

3-Still produces both males and females, as further shown below.

Therefore, this group of species certainly testifies to the Divine Miracle of the Glorious Quran, because the pairs exist among them.

 

[dilankandy]

1st of all, You can have 1000 of Muslims friends we can't expect all of them to be knowledgeable people either on the science or Quran. other thing you didn't clearly say what research they r doing.if you mean they r engineers then how can u expect engineers to know science. you can come to conclusion as to quran is wrong abt science only after debating with some knowledgeable people, not based on your Pakistani friend. and moreover for your information whatever sofar you brought is not scientific allegation but text errors.i guess this was easy for you as you are a player in wordgame.anyway i dont mind.

Whatever the respect i had for I Love Srilanka is long gone. Actually for a second i thought the guy was actually smart but simply blinded by faith for the facts he brought up. if I am ancient glory i would stop debating. I will accept that engineers know nothing about science and start looking for another carrer..

p.s. so far i understood that quran has tons of text errors. at least on all valid translations. so there is no use of reading or following it. why would you follow something with tons of text errors or which has tons of hidden meanings which no one claims to know. ayone can give any meaning to those phrases and we all know thats how some muslims started killing.

And after reading all those posts i think its clear to everyone that whose playing with the words. whatever we say is wrong. whatever they say is right. so i give up..

this is for your own good. at least try to find out how and what they teach to engineering students in a university.

 

[කිඹුලා බනිස්]

Hermaphrodite species are those that have both the male and female organs and can reproduce by themselves due to those organs:

"The term is sometimes used inaccurately to describe reproduction modes in hermaphroditic species which can reproduce by themselves because they contain reproductive organs of both sexes." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthenogenesis

Certainly, these species do not contradict at all the Glorious Quran. On the contrary, they further prove Allah Almighty's Divine Claims, because here we have a group of species that still need to reproduce by having the pairs in them. Yes, it would be one specie reproducing by itself, assuming that this is scientifically accurate to begin with, since much of these studies are still unconfirmed theories, as shown below, especially in the microscopic world, but be as it may, each specie in this group, nonetheless:

1-Is still a representation of the pairs. It could be one or the other or both.

2-Wouldn't be able to reproduce if it didn't have those two organs in it.

3-Still produces both males and females, as further shown below.

Therefore, this group of species certainly testifies to the Divine Miracle of the Glorious Quran, because the pairs exist among them .

This is what i said in my first post, if you dont know science dont talk gibberish!

explain pathenogenesis!

Tell us what is ASEXUAL REPRODUCTION is??

Tell us how in parthenogenesis a zygote come into existence!

Dont lie!

dont cut and paste from wiki!

 

[I love Srilanka]

Whatever the respect i had for I Love Srilanka is long gone. Actually for a second i thought the guy was actually smart but simply blinded by faith for the facts he brought up. if I am ancient glory i would stop debating. I will accept that engineers know nothing about science and start looking for another carrer..

I cant avoid writing to you when you are so joker...ha!ha! you had respect?? Just bec I stopped arguing with you, do u want ancient glory also want to stop debating with me?, I don't care,To you whether I am being smart or not. please don't twist as usual,I didn't say Engineers know nothing.but I said you cant expect engineers to know science both has different meaning.I meant comparing to science students.

p.s. so far i understood that quran has tons of text errors. at least on all valid translations. so there is no use of reading or following it. why would you follow something with tons of text errors or which has tons of hidden meanings which no one claims to know. ayone can give any meaning to those phrases and we all know thats how some muslims started killing.


Text errors for whom? people like you and people read it plainly without proper knowledge that is why we have a system called tharjuma explanation to Quran. not anyone give meaning to anything, there are people like you started giving meaning to quran even among muslims this happens.otherwise Quran doesn't have any problem, but this is man made problem.. Quran still maintain the purity with original text and language as it was revealed unlike other scriptures


And after reading all those posts i think its clear to everyone that whose playing with the words. whatever we say is wrong. whatever they say is right. so i give up..


Now only haa! ha.. we already given up.


this is for your own good. at least try to find out how and what they teach to engineering students in a university.

Joke?

 

[I love Srilanka]

p.s. so far i understood that quran has tons of text errors. at least on all valid translations. so there is no use of reading or following it. why would you follow something with tons of text errors or which has tons of hidden meanings which no one claims to know. ayone can give any meaning to those phrases and we all know thats how some muslims started killing.

See boss here, You keep on debating with us with plain meaning of the Quran, then What about Buddhist scriptures which give lot of contradictory plain meaning ( I'm not going to say They are real contradiction unless i know 100%) but by looking the plain meaning it seems to be contradicting. how you are going to answer to this text errors?

(1) Twenty years a pilgrim,
Footing east and west.
Back in Seiken,
I’ve not moved an inch.
[Seiken-Chiju, Poem]1

(2) Who says my poetry is poetry?
My poetry is not poetry.
Provided you understand my poetry as not poetry
Only then can we discourse together about poetry.
[RyØkan, Poem]2

(3) What the realised one has described as the possession of distinctive features is itself the
non-possession of distinctive features.
[Vajracchedika 5]3

(4) The very same perfection of insight, Subhuti, which the realised one has preached is
indeed perfectionless.
[Vajracchedika 13b]4

(5) Furthermore, Subhuti, any perfection of acceptance the realised one has is indeed a nonperfection.
[Vajracchedika 14e]5

(6) Everything is real and is not real,
Both real and not real,
Neither real nor not real.
This is Lord Buddha's teaching.
[MMK XVIII: 8]6

(7) Just understand that birth-and-death is itself nirvana. There is nothing such as birth and
death to be avoided. There is nothing such as nirvana to be sought. Only when you
realise this are you free from birth and death.
[Dogen, ShØji]7

(8) As all things are buddha-dharma, there is delusion and realisation, practice, birth and
death, and there are buddhas and sentient beings. As the myriad things are without an
abiding self, there is no delusion, no realization, no buddha, no sentient being, no birth
and death.
[Dogen, GenjØkØan]8

(9) Nothing (mu) is absolutely contradictory and self-identical. From this point, every being
(u) is being and at the same time nothing.
[Nishida, ‘Preface’]


This all I got from website, but plain meaning is absolutely contradicting. but Unlike you all, as im muslim I will not allege wrong unless i am completely sure. but i need explanation from some one of you for the plain meaning.

 

[dilankandy]

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Say what ever you like mate.. I was done with this so called DEBATING long time ago. All hands are on the deck. I do accept that i'm bit of a joker. The reason is u guys are so funny so i cant help my feeling to make fun of you.. sorry for that. and no use of arguing with a guy who accepted who has no proper science knowledge. BDW i dont want Ancientglory to stop cause this is the place i come after a long day of stress to laugh a bit and have some fun.. and about those scriptures please give us the source. And if you can please provide ancientglory and all of us with a web site which has an authorized error free quran. As far as i know there are reasons for buddhist high authority for not publishing an online translated thripitaka. (dont ask dont tell)

P.S To ancient glory:- Supernatural series 6 and has begun and it is kick ass!!! (and also big bang theory season 4) Enjoy

 

[I love Srilanka]

Say what ever you like mate.. I was done with this so called DEBATING long time ago. All hands are on the deck. I do accept that i'm bit of a joker. The reason is u guys are so funny so i cant help my feeling to make fun of you.. sorry for that. and no use of arguing with a guy who accepted who has no proper science knowledge. BDW i dont want Ancientglory to stop cause this is the place i come after a long day of stress to laugh a bit and have some fun.. and about those scriptures please give us the source. And if you can please provide ancientglory and all of us with a web site which has an authorized error free quran. As far as i know there are reasons for buddhist high authority for not publishing an online translated thripitaka. (dont ask dont tell)

even after you accepted you are a Joker I should not continue with you, specially with a one who come to this forum to have some fun.you r a real joker Man.!!!!

 

[dilankandy]

even after you accepted you are a Joker I should not continue with you, specially with a one who come to this forum to have some fun.you r a real joker Man.!!!!
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thanks man.. feeling good now? i dont wanna argue with a typical muslim business man who thinks he knows science either. should have known that earlier looking at scholars like Zakir[
ps- whats your source?

 

[AncientGlory]

Whatever the respect i had for I Love Srilanka is long gone. Actually for a second i thought the guy was actually smart but simply blinded by faith for the facts he brought up. if I am ancient glory i would stop debating. I will accept that engineers know nothing about science and start looking for another carrer..

I knew this is gonna be a pointless debate even before I started. The only reason I responded to it was because, my name was mentioned.

 

[AncientGlory]

See when you take a plain meaning for something you are bound to mislead yourself.
..................
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The question I asked was,

word ‘Yasbahoon’ - derived from ‘Sabaha’, for a celestial body - it will not mean… it is flying, it will mean, it is rotating about its own axis.

How do you know the word means "rotating about its own axis" not "orbiting"?

"It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day: Each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit (according to Law). (The Noble Quran, 36:40)"

Speaking of which you still did not answer Post no. 61 .

As the following Scientific Proofs demonstrate, this perfect balance is none other than the Balance of Gravities:

Balance of gravities? What is that? The pictures you showed are drawn to illustrate the bend of space time due to a large mass. What's that got to do with so called "Balance of Gravities"?

 

[AncientGlory]

if you mean they r engineers then how can u expect engineers to know science.

Really my friend?? Just WOW... Just when I thought you couldn't have gone more deeper in the hole you dig, you just proved me wrong yet again.
Over and over again, showing your lack of knowledge, inability to comprehend something beyond what you've been taught. This serves my purpose. I know that debating with you is pointless. But I only want to show the readers of the thread, how a muslim debates and so far you have succeeded in establishing a clear picture of how your mind works and how its full of nothing. You pass with flying colors.

whenever i post something,You keep on telling no body has scientific background then what about this scientists them self talks good about Islam, are you going to refute this also with your word game.
http://scienceislam.com/scientists_quran.php

I do not deny anything until I look in to it and analyze it carefully. I just don't go around and ask, " What do Engineers know about science" (Really brother, After that I don't really wanna continue this discussion. But anyway...). For now I can say, there are morons among scientists too. The link you have provided and the claims, of all those people have been debated and answered.

Hermaphrodite species are those that have both the male and female organs and can reproduce by themselves due to those organs:

Brother, first understand that sexual reproduction and asexual reproduction are two different things. Then understand that Hermaphrodites do sexual reproduction although the have both male and female reproductive organs.

So the question remains the same. What is the pair of an asexual animal? Let me be more specific. This is the second question, what is the pair of a bacteria?

1-Is still a representation of the pairs. It could be one or the other or both.

Not the case with asexual animals

2-Wouldn't be able to reproduce if it didn't have those two organs in it.

not the case with bacteria.

3-Still produces both males and females, as further shown below.

You prove my claim further and further. You show your ignorance over and over. Read about bacteria.

And you still did not answer this,

What is the pair of a PHOTON?

 

[AncientGlory]

but I said you cant expect engineers to know science both has different meaning.I meant comparing to science students.

This just shows you don't know anything about Engineering, Nor about science. Science Students learn science, and Engineers learn science. Do you know what BSc. Engineering means??

Bachelor of Science of Engineering.

Man, just stop it. You are making you look really bad.

 

[AncientGlory]

P.S To ancient glory:- Supernatural series 6 and has begun and it is kick ass!!! (and also big bang theory season 4) Enjoy

Thanks brother, I'm off to download. Do you watch house M.D.? New season is out if you do. (Season 7).

 

[I love Srilanka]

This just shows you don't know anything about Engineering, Nor about science. Science Students learn science, and Engineers learn science. Do you know what BSc. Engineering means??

Bachelor of Science of Engineering.

Man, just stop it. You are making you look really bad.

Looks like you are trying to defeat me with something, even after explaining clearly to other joker, same question raised by this joker.
I explained to dilankandy joker clearly, I meant comparing to science students, engineers may not aware science. I thought you guys will understand as you have already passed A/L, you proved me wrong. see man, science student study major science subjects, but engineering students will only study some selective subjects...
further You never told me which engineer, now you come on to say BSC Engineer. also you are highlighting me SC refers to Science so that, it is science engineer. if you explain me so,Then what about Bachelor of Science in Business Administration....really you are making fun of yourself by disclosing your intelligent.I can't be without laughing.

 

[dilankandy]

Thanks brother, I'm off to download. Do you watch house M.D.? New season is out if you do. (Season 7).

No man, I need to watch the whole seasons of that one and also Lost. I was busy with the other two. and also smallville season 10 has begun. directors have said that they are gonna bring all the previous major actors to the scene again. thanx..