-Which movie you watched last? -

[kosandpol]

My bro and me had a discussion and what came up is ,
In most of the occasion no matter Cob is in another's unconscious mind he still dress as he were in real world isnt it ?
So we can simply avoid the weak point by assuming that Cobb has invented to bring limited part of his own unconscious mind to anther's

thats not possible. We cant take a 'bit' of it as we have no control over the subconscious mind.

 

[Zeus]

thats not possible. We cant take a 'bit' of it as we have no control over the subconscious mind.

Fair enough.

BTW that girl(Ariadney or something) manages to manipulate objects on Cobbs mind(first dream of her with cobb) right ?

So she could have done the same with all other occasions and make the things much easy
After making sure Fishers not looking
She could have drown all the millitery bastards in a bottomless sea

She could simply handle the military by stopping the bullets, And spears by her bear hand (Matrix )

 

[kosandpol]

Fair enough.

BTW that girl(Ariadney or something) manages to manipulate objects on Cobbs mind(first dream of her with cobb) right ?

So she could have done the same with all other occasions and make the things much easy
After making sure Fishers not looking
She could have drown all the millitery bastards in a bottomless sea

She could simply handle the military by stopping the bullets, And spears by her bear hand (Matrix )

you havent followed the plot of the movie (even after 2 watches). She's only an architect. She can only build the environment that matches the real dreamer's environment. Only the real dreamer can populate that environment so all the people are created by him and not the girl.
She cant drastically change the environment as the real dreamer can spot the difference as its no longer an environment his mind usually makes and that automatically makes all the people he created, hostile towards the intruders. Also when the environment is no loger the one the real dreamer created, he tends to wake up, ending the dream.

 

[Zeus]

you havent followed the plot of the movie (even after 2 watches). She's only an architect. She can only build the environment that matches the real dreamer's environment. Only the real dreamer can populate that environment so all the people are created by him and not the girl.

Of coz. Thats what Cobbs do.
He create something like Bank or Safe so the other man populate and fill that safe with what he want to protect then Cobb steal it. Safe is from Cobb , the secrets want to protect is from the other guy
I get that part

Did I suggest that ppl are created by her ? Look at the post again kos.

I was just suggesting that she could have interfere the when its essential.

As ex :- She could have stop mal from reaching Fisher(before fisher look back).
She could have make something like barrier . Im not suggesting Ariadney to disappear Mal
They were so close to the end at that time . Its a matter of few minutes so convergence could not have a big issue.

So the trouble of drowning in limbo and all mumbo jumbo could have been saved

Anyway I guess thats the plot and nothing to argue wi it

 

[twisted]

well thats why he won an oscar for it..

yeah of course

Fair enough.

BTW that girl(Ariadney or something) manages to manipulate objects on Cobbs mind(first dream of her with cobb) right ?

So she could have done the same with all other occasions and make the things much easy
After making sure Fishers not looking
She could have drown all the millitery bastards in a bottomless sea

She could simply handle the military by stopping the bullets, And spears by her bear hand (Matrix )

she can't do that, that'll have woken up fischer...remember in the very first, that asian guy realized it was only a dream cos cobbs team had failed to correctly make the carpet? when you re in somebody's mind, you have to abide by his rules, that's why when you go against him his mind subconsciously starts to attack you...cobb explains this to the architech girl in her first lesson...and when you are in his dreams, you are not a part of his subconscious, you are merely sharing a dream without his knowing of him.
dude what in the hell have you been watching for two times?

 

[twisted]

the royal tenenbaums ...pretty good comedy very above the average comedy that gets made in hollywood.

 

[kosandpol]

the royal tenenbaums ...pretty good comedy very above the average comedy that gets made in hollywood.

this one was good but the subsequent makes in the series were not.

 

[twisted]

this one was good but the subsequent makes in the series were not.

there are sequels to this?

 

[roshant]

A very nice drama film
I really enjoyed the jazz music played in background throughout the movie..my rating 85% once again credits goes to twisty for the recommendation

 

[kosandpol]

there are sequels to this?

Not direct sequels. Like follow up stories on some of the characters. Not by the same guys who made this one.

 

[roshant]

re watched
The Virgin Spring (1960) - Ingmar Bergman 8.1/10 IMDB My rating 95%

Mind blowing!and pure art.I feel sorry for those who omit old films like this one and constantly praising average modern movies whatever come out.

 

[twisted]

I admit he has some issues with originality. But his creativity still out there manipulating and presenting the early found concepts in bearable way comparing to the Donnie Darko.

Eventho the concept arent original he had won the challenge of presenting them in a catchy way to the spectator even if they have seen them before

Anyway would you care to explain the mistakes you saw ?

the gravity scene for a start, when the van from their first dream level gets in the free fall, the gravity of the second level becomes 0, and arthur is the only one that's get affected by it, when he enters the room where his mates are dreaming, the objects and everything in the room don't seem to be affected by it why exactly is that? they are all right above the ground, aren't they supposed to be like floating? and think about the elavator too.
and when in the end of the movie when cobb finally goes to the asian guy, he's so old? and cobb hasn't aged a day.
and as I recall there were many scenes where the second dream level gets affected by the van gettting hit at the first level, without carrying those forward to the third level..this is not good directing mate.
I'm sure I could spot much more plot holes than those if I saw this for a second time.

 

[twisted]

Not direct sequels. Like follow up stories on some of the characters. Not by the same guys who made this one.

can forget about those then

 

[Zeus]

......
...correctly make the carpet? when you re in somebody's mind, you have to abide by his rules.....

Im just suggesting she could have break the rules for one time when its essential.

Another Q.
In the very beginning. Cobb is the one making the platform and Saito(Asian Guy) is the one who populate it right ?

So there should be Saito+Cobb+Arthur and the rest of it should be ppl form the Saito's subconscious isnt it ?
So how does mal come stepping in ?

 

[kosandpol]

the gravity scene for a start, when the van from their first dream level gets in the free fall, the gravity of the second level becomes 0, and arthur is the only one that's get affected by it, when he enters the room where his mates are dreaming, the objects and everything in the room don't seem to be affected by it why exactly is that? they are all right above the ground, aren't they supposed to be like floating? and think about the elavator too.
and when in the end of the movie when cobb finally goes to the asian guy, he's so old? and cobb hasn't aged a day.
and as I recall there were many scenes where the second dream level gets affected by the van gettting hit at the first level, without carrying those forward to the third level..this is not good directing mate.
I'm sure I could spot much more plot holes than those if I saw this for a second time.

there's a bigger plot hole. Mal.
she's kept in Cobb's own mind. So Cobb should have full control over her as she's only a memory and not an intruder. Yet Mal can act on her own.

 

[twisted]

Im just suggesting she could have break the rules for one time when its essential.

Another Q.
In the very beginning. Cobb is the one making the platform and Saito(Asian Guy) is the one who populate it right ?

So there should be Saito+Cobb+Arthur and the rest of it should be ppl form the Saito's subconscious isnt it ?
So how does mal come stepping in ?

no, the other guy in cobbs team made the architecture in the first dream with saito.. the guy later kind of sold cobb out to saito I don't remember his name. cobbs whole team was in that dream too, but in that second level, it was only arthur and cobb the rest was saitos subconsciousness. he was trained against dream invasions.

 

[kosandpol]

can forget about those then

highly recommended to do so.

 

[twisted]

there's a bigger plot hole. Mal.
she's kept in Cobb's own mind. So Cobb should have full control over her as she's only a memory and not an intruder. Yet Mal can act on her own.

what I find ridiculous is that cobb never attempted to do anything about that memory fragment called mal, he even put the lives of mates in danger by dragging them into same dreams where mal is dangerous..but finally he lets that strange architech girl to kill mal? what the hell is that lol cobb should have and very well could have done it at the first place.

highly recommended to do so.

 

[Zeus]

Just take a second look you were talking. And make sure u clean the specs .

....
and when in the end of the movie when cobb finally goes to the asian guy, he's so old? and cobb hasn't aged a day.

Dude Cobb has been searching Saito(Asian guy) for what ? decades. Thats the same reason when its all over,
the Cobb and Saito are the ones who wake at last. All others were wide awaken

of coz Cobb should have been much older. Thats a weak point

and as I recall there were many scenes where the second dream level gets affected by the van gettting hit at the first level, without carrying those forward to the third level..this is not good directing mate.

Well , there you have a point

 

[twisted]

Just take a second look you were talking. And make sure u clean the specs .

yeah as i said in my previous post, his mates and all the objects in that room were right above the ground, not floating, rotated or whatever..but (assuming you really saw this movie for two times) arthur was flipped upside down, inside out just outside their room

ok here's another, the scene where the van flips upside down and spins on, arthur and the g uys he's fighting with are affected by it, the room turns upside down as well, but after that scene when arthur goes into the room where all are dreaming, everything in that room is in perfect order, how the hell is so?
and the third level dreamers are not affected by that major turn of the van either? please mr. nolan pay more attention to your directing.

Dude Cobb has been searching Saito(Asian guy) for what ? decades. Thats the same reason when its all over,
the Cobb and Saito are the ones who wake at last. All others were wide awaken

of coz Cobb should have been much older. Thats a weak point

yeah cobb should damn well have been old like saito and when they planned the

and here's another, cobb at one point of the movie, says that don't tell him anything cos everything he knows, mal also knows...so how in the hell is it that mal doesn't know about the inception he did on her?