Is wife beating and gender discrimination allowed in quran

[Wal Bada]

where i told u men intelligent to women.i told that women have forgetfulness comparing to men.

OK, then prove it with scientific evidence.

are u really a trainee doctor?

.Post-graduate trainee to be precise. You doubt it?

search Google and see.from the first u just playing with words.this is how u trying to knock islam.very shame about u and many here who really act jerks!!

Why don't you post your evidnce without running away? I have given you two things to prove.

u also tell me if ur wife and u working and u face a situation where one of u have to leave the job will u ask your wife to continue her job coz her salary more than u and u take take care everything staying at home while ur wife earn for u!!

That only shows that you suck at management skills. Otherwise both can work and find alternatives. Yes if I get paralyzed and cannot work, there is no alternative.

im waiting for a reply......
i want your reply to b yes.coz u dont see any different between men and women.
if ur answer is yes...there is no big lier in this world than u!!!!!

Men and women only have biological differences. Those should not come in to legal rights and human rights. If you are contrary then you are a discriminator. Once again you filed to show where I bad mouthed you. You LIAR!

 

[njsa]

OK, then prove it with scientific evidence.

http://www.babycenter.com/0_forgetfulness-during-pregnancy_236.bc
http://www.targetwoman.com/articles/pms-symptom.html

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Post-graduate trainee to be precise. You doubt it?

no,no i believe u..im also a post graduate.

Why don't you post your evidnce without running away? I have given you two things to prove.

read my posts,i had given enough!!

That only shows that you suck at management skills. Otherwise both can work and find alternatives. Yes if I get paralyzed and cannot work, there is no alternative to look after their kids.

im talking about a situation where no alternatives available.now are u trying to say that never human face a situation like that.not only paralized,but sometimes parents need to quit there job for their kids.so im asking a situation like that.not only paralyzed even if die no alternatives!!

u want to show that women and men equal so
Men and women only have biological differences.

mm...now u came to a point where u agreed that woemn and men not equal.huray!!!

Those should not come in to legal rights and human rights.

human rights are not same..see..there are differents rules for men and women as how in islam for men and women have same rules and some only to men and some only to women.

If you are contrary then you are a discriminator.

dont b so hurry to judge me!!

Once again you filed to show where I bad mouthed you. You LIAR!

i clearly showed u that one of the person in that thread told that,and i didnt mention that its u.got it???????????
ehu!! ehu..u called me a liar..

 

[AncientGlory]

in that thread i had given enough reply to show u how its practicle.but u didnt convinced with the answer.so its was best to leave u to continue what u believe. one-day when u get a chance u will realize the reality.inshaallah!!

first understand that this verse is talking about the wives who are misbehaving.
so in islam if a wife disobeys and committing mistakes it affects the whole family.coz she is the main rope of a family even though the father is just the supplier.so mother/women has a very big role in a family.
so for a irresponsible women first thing he should do is admonish.(අවවාද කරනවා). do u agree with this?
first he should

if she still doesn't listen or correct her mistakes second thing he should do is refuse to share their beds.
islam cant tell the women to do this to her husband becoz if a women showed this and demand bed there are more chance that he go and sleep somewhere else..so it could split the family than protect.

third is beat them lightly.in this prophet has described it is from the miswaark/a small stick which they used as a brush at that age.also not allowed to hit on the face and should not have any mark on her body.so it describes how light the beating should b.

also in quran

It is mentioned in Surah Baqarah, Ch.2, Verse No.187, which says, Which means… ‘Your wives are your garments, and you are their garments’.

What’s the objective of garments - It is used to conceal and to beautify.

The husband and wife, should conceal each others faults, and they should beautify each other - Its a relationship of hands and gloves.

The Qur’an mentions that, ‘even if you do not like your wife, you should treat her kindly’.

It is mentioned in Surah Nisa, Ch.4, Verse No.19, that, ‘...consort with them (your wives) in kindness, for if you hate them it may happen that you hate a thing wherein God has placed much good.

Even if you dislike your wife you have to treat her kindly and with equity..

as per the law which created by men tells that if a women disobeys can get a divorce.very simple.thats the reason why in western countries there are many single parents.in countries like us put rules thinking that they giving equal rights to women. yet y there are problems in those families?

Bukhari vol. 7 book 62: 32 the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) said,” None of you should flog your wife as he flogs a slave and then have sexual intercourse with her in the last part of the day.”

Lets just establish one thing first. Do women have the same rights as men in Islam ?

 

[njsa]

Lets just establish one thing first. Do women have the same rights as men in Islam ?

yes with no doubt.

 

[AncientGlory]

yes with no doubt.

Men have the right to beat women and refuse sex on occasions. Do women have the right to beat men and refuse sex?

 

[njsa]

Men have the right to beat women and refuse sex on occasions. Do women have the right to beat men and refuse sex?

no for both.

1.no because women are not strong comparing to men.so women should seek the elders help id there is a mistake find in men and cant settle it between them,.
if she fears about cruel beating she can leave him. (beating means a little tap type of thing to show his objection over her action)

2.men are not trust worthy when it comes to sex.if women do that, men will go and sleep somewhere else.so that will not work for men.

 

[njsa]

NSJA's to prove list

1. Women are inferior in intelligence to men
2. Women tend to forget more on days of menstruation and pregnancy


I am awaiting for njsa's evidence

WALBADA:

im waiting for ur reply!!

 

[Wal Bada]

WALBADA:

im waiting for ur reply!!

You haven't proven a thing. proof should be from reputed scientific journals, not your petty brainwashed blabbering. I have yet to encounter a reputed scientific journal article to prove your claim. Come on, provide evidence.

 

[ex-muslim Ahmed]

I am sure Ahmed will blame it on creator! how about you??

 

[dilankandy]

(By Ancient Glory)u want to show that women and men equal so
Men and women only have biological differences.

mm...now u came to a point where u agreed that woemn and men not equal.huray!!!

My goodness, this guy claims to be a post doc. But can any one be stupid enough to say something like this??

 

[dilankandy]

Originally Posted by AncientGlory

Lets just establish one thing first. Do women have the same rights as men in Islam ?

yes with no doubt.

Men have the right to beat women and refuse sex on occasions. Do women have the right to beat men and refuse sex?

no for both.

1.no because women are not strong comparing to men.so women should seek the elders help id there is a mistake find in men and cant settle it between them,.
if she fears about cruel beating she can leave him. (beating means a little tap type of thing to show his objection over her action)

2.men are not trust worthy when it comes to sex.if women do that, men will go and sleep somewhere else.so that will not work for men.

So you agree that Women are not allowed to do somethings that men are allowed?

I have all the evidence here to prove following arguments.
1. Humans are not created by god.
2. If they are then gods creation is incomplete and not intelligent. Hence god is not omnipotent.
3. Even if god exists and omnipotent then he is does not take fair decisions
4. Njsa cannot stop contradicting himself.
5. "A little tap" has killed many people all over the past.
6. All of us who argue against this forum are wasting our precious time.

This is the third time I saw Ancient make another contradict himself. Man you should have chosen law..

 

[Rafiya]

sometimes Islam gives more right to women than men &
in some other times Islam gives more right to men than women
කාන්තාවන්ට තීරණ ගෙනීම වගේ දේවල් වලදී යතිය අඩු උනත් husband ගෙන් ලෙබිය යුතු දේවල් ගොඩක් තියෙනවා

 

[Wal Bada]

sometimes Islam gives more right to women than men &
in some other times Islam gives more right to men than women
කාන්තාවන්ට තීරණ ගෙනීම වගේ දේවල් වලදී යතිය අඩු උනත් husband ගෙන් ලෙබිය යුතු දේවල් ගොඩක් තියෙනවා

We are worried of their legal rights. Social rights can be assigned by convention, but legal rights should be similar. Islam discriminated women in their legal rights in sharia law.

 

[njsa]

You haven't proven a thing. proof should be from reputed scientific journals, not your petty brainwashed blabbering. I have yet to encounter a reputed scientific journal article to prove your claim. Come on, provide evidence.

ok.u r the post gradguate.so prove me wrong scientifically.
what ever u say, u cant change the nature of women.god knows how we ar.dont just run.u prove me im wrong.

i asked u if u think that women and men are equal and even they take the family responsibility.if a couple has to take a decision where 1 have to quit there job.will husband tell the wife to continue her job while he stay at home.what men will agree with it.?

if u tell that yes,a wife can continue!! in our society we call a man who eat from wives earning as ______.

 

[AncientGlory]

no for both.

1.no because women are not strong comparing to men.so women should seek the elders help id there is a mistake find in men and cant settle it between them,.
if she fears about cruel beating she can leave him. (beating means a little tap type of thing to show his objection over her action)

2.men are not trust worthy when it comes to sex.if women do that, men will go and sleep somewhere else.so that will not work for men.

1. Yes, I agree that it might not be practical. But each individual is different, in the sense of strength, it is not gender specific. A strong man can beat up a weaker man. But the legal system is there to give equality to everyone. It should protect the weak.

2. Whether it works or not is not the question. If a woman wants to refuse sex, does she have that right?

So the question is, forget whether women are weak or not. But do they have the right to beat and refuse sex? Whether it works or impractical is not the question in hand. Do they have the right to do it if they want it?

You answered "no", so the women do not have the equal rights according to muslim law.

 

[AncientGlory]

This is the third time I saw Ancient make another contradict himself. Man you should have chosen law..

You are not bad yourself Dilan...

 

[Rafiya]

Is wife beating and gender discrimination allowed in quran

the correct answer is No

 

[njsa]

1. Yes, I agree that it might not be practical. But each individual is different, in the sense of strength, it is not gender specific. A strong man can beat up a weaker man. But the legal system is there to give equality to everyone. It should protect the weak.

u ar talking about the protection of the weaker and there are many places where islam protect the weaker.here we are discussing about protecting a family.so man can just show his objection of one of her activity by in 3 ways where he try 1,if still she continue it the 2 nd stage and if not the 3 rd step.
men are not allowed to leave the wife easily as allah says...

"...on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and God brings about through it a great deal of good. (The Noble Quran, 4:19)"

but if a women fear about crual beating of her husband she have right to divorce him.

"If a wife fears cruelty or desertion on her husband's part, there is no blame on them if they arrange an amicable settlement between themselves; and such settlement is best; even though men's souls are swayed by greed. But if ye do good and practise self-restraint, God is well-acquainted with all that ye do. (The Noble Quran, 4:128)"

2. Whether it works or not is not the question. If a woman wants to refuse sex, does she have that right?

i know in this society want a religion to have rules which is so nice,no need to be practicable.islam is not like that.it gives practicle rules which help to settle the probelm.
its like buddhism strictly condemn killing even an animal but i never heard any1 preached bane and try to settle the ltte problem.
ur problem is u want a religion where only limited to the temple.dont like it comes and inter-fear in ur life.
why women want to refuse sex,? it is not aplicable.it will not correct a man but it will make him more bad.if a wife angry of her drinking husband and refuse bed he will start adultery as well.

So the question is, forget whether women are weak or not. But do they have the right to beat and refuse sex? Whether it works or impractical is not the question in hand. Do they have the right to do it if they want it?

why women want to refuse sex,? it is not aplicable.it will not correct a man but it will make him more bad.if a wife angry of her drinking husband and refuse bed he will start adultery as well. there should be a point why god gave such a rule. we cant see a benefit in women refusing sex.it will split the family than solving the problem.

You answered "no", so the women do not have the equal rights according to muslim law.

so the answer is yes.women have equal rights!!
also all the rules u wanted to b available in western world.thats why there are many divorce happening and also men and women cheat one another.if u think what ur telling is correct there should b more peaceful life comparing to us.but i definitely know we live a peaceful life than them as we husband/and wife know our limits and bonds.

Narrated Mu'awiyah al-Qushayri: "I went to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) and asked him: What do you say (command) about our wives? He replied: Give them food what you have for yourself, and clothe them by which you clothe yourself, and do not beat them, and do not revile them. (Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 11, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Number 2139)"

Narrated Mu'awiyah ibn Haydah: "I said: Apostle of Allah, how should we approach our wives and how should we leave them? He replied: Approach your tilth when or how you will, give her (your wife) food when you take food, clothe when you clothe yourself, do not revile her face, and do not beat her. (Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 11, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Number 2138)"

Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying: "He who believes in Allah and the Hereafter, if he witnesses any matter he should talk in good terms about it or keep quiet. Act kindly towards woman, for woman is created from a rib, and the most crooked part of the rib is its top. If you attempt to straighten it, you will break it, and if you leave it, its crookedness will remain there. So act kindly towards women. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book of Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Book 008, Number 3468)"


so i know islam treat women equal.

 

[njsa]

So you agree that Women are not allowed to do somethings that men are allowed?

yes and add that men are not allowed to do something that women are allowed.this is because they are different.

I have all the evidence here to prove following arguments.
1. Humans are not created by god.
2. If they are then gods creation is incomplete and not intelligent. Hence god is not omnipotent.
3. Even if god exists and omnipotent then he is does not take fair decisions
4. Njsa cannot stop contradicting himself.
5. "A little tap" has killed many people all over the past.
6. All of us who argue against this forum are wasting our precious time.

1.provide your evidence.
2.we are not intelligent to understand him.thats the problem....
3.he is and allways will.as per u a poor man is a sinful person.but as a muslim he is lucky as he is free from many compulsory rules as giving charity,performing haj..ect. but a rich man has to follow all of this and if he fails he will b questioned in the next life.

4.
5.can u guarantee and say that only Muslims do kill their wife with anger.no one can kill anyone no matter she is his wife or some1 else.

6.only thing which i can agree with u.

 

[dilankandy]

yes and add that men are not allowed to do something that women are allowed.this is because they are different.

We are talking about legal rights here. Not cultural or physical. There should be a fair judgment for both males and females. So your argument is not valid here.

1.provide your evidence.

In here you say god has created females weaker than males. But is that perfect? giving one gender more power than the others. And also this is rare in animals. We know that Female tigress or lioness or even spiders carries equal strength as males. So why create human females weak so that they cannot protect their selves?? Is this intelligent design??

2.we are not intelligent to understand him.thats the problem....

Not intelligent enough to understand who? An Imaginary entity?

I agree on a one point. We really don't know what kind of shit really happened before us. We are not intelligent that much YET. But that doesn't mean we have to give up the search for answers or to come to a conclusion that there is a supernatural power or powers beyond our universal domain and of course by definition that supernatural power(s) is undefined since we have no idea what the properties of domain it exists.

So if we give up our efforts and rely on supernatural entities then we have actually given up our efforts of knowing (which in this case all monotheists or you have done) When we close options for good then even if someone comes up with a solution what we try to do is to refute that than supporting it or being unbiased.

Will we respect if Albert Einstein has given up the thoughts about finding the special relativity or Schrödinger for his researches which involves tough mathematics saying that the phenomena is caused by an unknown super natural power or GOD as theists claim? Of course not. That is the difference between true scientists and self claimed sciento-theologists such as "Zakir Naik"

If you read science journals or magazines ecently science has been advancing in an exponential rate. Therefore we can hope that many questions will be answered regarding religions and origin and I can guarantee that it will not be in favor of religion.

3.he is and allways will.as per u a poor man is a sinful person.but as a muslim he is lucky as he is free from many compulsory rules as giving charity,performing haj..ect. but a rich man has to follow all of this and if he fails he will b questioned in the next life.

No. I never said poor people are sinful nor rich people are not. No one can tell that except for those who can actually see what kind of life he had previously. Then what about the people who led their whole life as non muslims BUT who were great people who performed charity and showed love towards human kind? What will happen to him? As per your FAIR god HE will CONDEMN to HELL for ETERNITY because HE could not COMMIT to GOD. Correct me if I'm wrong.

5.can u guarantee and say that only Muslims do kill their wife with anger.no one can kill anyone no matter she is his wife or some1 else.

Don't run away from the question.. This this not what we are discussing right now. We are talking about Equal rights for everyone. Not anyone being angry and killing their wife. Your book says (you said this your self) men allowed to "pat" women. And I said those "pat" are sometimes powerful enough to kill them. And women are not allowed to do the same in any means. Hence NOT equal rights. It says that women are allowed to be beaten somehow men take advantage of it.