Is wife beating and gender discrimination allowed in quran

[Wal Bada]

ok.u r the post gradguate.so prove me wrong scientifically.
what ever u say, u cant change the nature of women.god knows how we ar.dont just run.u prove me im wrong.

i asked u if u think that women and men are equal and even they take the family responsibility.if a couple has to take a decision where 1 have to quit there job.will husband tell the wife to continue her job while he stay at home.what men will agree with it.?

if u tell that yes,a wife can continue!! in our society we call a man who eat from wives earning as ______.

Legally you have been proven wrong. equality in front of law is a basic human right.

Article 6.: Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.

Concentrate on the word PERSON. There are no gender differences. Euality in front of law is a basic human right.

And this also.

Article 25.
(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
(2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.

And what does Islam do to such women and children?

And on IQ between men and women,

IQ tests, regarded by psychometricians as measures of intelligence, have shown that differences between men and women are minimal or negligible

Before you jump on wikipedia just look at the list of References given there. It contains more than 60 articles from reputed sources.

So I am awaiting your proof to show that women are inferior to men in intelligence and tend to forget more.

 

[njsa]

]Legally you have been proven wrong. equality in front of law is a basic human right.



Concentrate on the word PERSON. There are no gender differences. Euality in front of law is a basic human right.

And this also.



And what does Islam do to such women and children?

And on IQ between men and women,



Before you jump on wikipedia just look at the list of References given there. It contains more than 60 articles from reputed sources.

i dont want any of these explanation.first answer to my other two queries.later can discuss this.

So I am awaiting your proof to show that women are inferior to men in intelligence and tend to forget more.

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i didn't talk abt intelligence here.ok i told that women are forgetful during their period and pregnancy.so if ur telling im wrong prove it.

 

[njsa]

We are talking about legal rights here. Not cultural or physical. There should be a fair judgment for both males and females. So your argument is not valid here.




In here you say god has created females weaker than males. But is that perfect? giving one gender more power than the others. And also this is rare in animals. We know that Female tigress or lioness or even spiders carries equal strength as males. So why create human females weak so that they cannot protect their selves?? Is this intelligent design??

if islam tells that men can pray only 3 times a day and women should pray 5 times..can tell that not giving equal rights.
if it tells that women have to fast 2 months only men only 1 month can say not giving equal rights.
u should understand that there are rules which are same for both(most).
some are only for men and some are only for women.

why u comparing men and women.men are here to do a different reason and women are for a different reason.men not suppose to do/never can do what a women can do like child birth...ect.god created women soft and kind comparing to men for a different reason and men stronger to support women and the kids.
of course lion stay and look after the cubs while the tigress go hunting.its another way.even in a hive the queen bee is the one who controls.so what...
think how could be the family life when husband and wife have the same behavior and habits.
u think a man marry a women because she is weak so to protect her????

think!! both need each other.that doesnt mean one is weak than the other.both are weak in such a way.so both need each other

Not intelligent enough to understand who? An Imaginary entity?

I agree on a one point. We really don't know what kind of shit really happened before us. We are not intelligent that much YET. But that doesn't mean we have to give up the search for answers or to come to a conclusion that there is a supernatural power or powers beyond our universal domain and of course by definition that supernatural power(s) is undefined since we have no idea what the properties of domain it exists.

So if we give up our efforts and rely on supernatural entities then we have actually given up our efforts of knowing (which in this case all monotheists or you have done) When we close options for good then even if someone comes up with a solution what we try to do is to refute that than supporting it or being unbiased.

Will we respect if Albert Einstein has given up the thoughts about finding the special relativity or Schrödinger for his researches which involves tough mathematics saying that the phenomena is caused by an unknown super natural power or GOD as theists claim? Of course not. That is the difference between true scientists and self claimed sciento-theologists such as "Zakir Naik"

u still didnt discover the super natural power and searching for the truth.but we did. for us the quran provides enough prove to believe in him.

If you read science journals or magazines ecently science has been advancing in an exponential rate. Therefore we can hope that many questions will be answered regarding religions and origin and I can guarantee that it will not be in favor of religion.

because of the advance in science only Islam is growing fast now.so i also hope u will get a reply soon.

No. I never said poor people are sinful nor rich people are not. No one can tell that except for those who can actually see what kind of life he had previously. Then what about the people who led their whole life as non muslims BUT who were great people who performed charity and showed love towards human kind? What will happen to him? As per your FAIR god HE will CONDEMN to HELL for ETERNITY because HE could not COMMIT to GOD. Correct me if I'm wrong.

u didnt tell the poor are sinful.but that is what people believe who believe in rebirth.
we cant sure about who will go to hell and heaven.even not a muslim go to heaven if he didn't follow his commandments.
god has sent messengers to guide the people and providing us all the proves for his existence.
think a muslim who do good deeds,believe in god,prays,fast and follow all what god commanded him.
and another person who do charity and show love toward human kind but dont believe or follow god.
if both go to heaven ... dont u think its unfair for the person who believed in god and followed his all commandments????????????????

Don't run away from the question.. This this not what we are discussing right now. We are talking about Equal rights for everyone. Not anyone being angry and killing their wife. Your book says (you said this your self) men allowed to "pat" women. And I said those "pat" are sometimes powerful enough to kill them. And women are not allowed to do the same in any means. Hence NOT equal rights. It says that women are allowed to be beaten somehow men take advantage of it.

i dont have to run.im ready to reply u.if someone kills its the fault of that person not the religion.if any1 kills he should be punished to death coz islam never allows killing an innocent.

 

[dilankandy]

If islam tells that men can pray only 3 times a day and women should pray 5 times..can tell that not giving equal rights.
if it tells that women have to fast 2 months only men only 1 month can say not giving equal rights.
u should understand that there are rules which are same for both(most).
some are only for men and some are only for women.

I agree with you about men and women can have different rules part. But If those rules imply any disadvantages or unfair judgments on the other party then it should be changed and of course then that rule is not fair at all. Like men are allowed to beat women and women are not allowed do so. It clearly violates the Human right of everyone being treated equally.

I told you we are talking about legal rights here. Not cultural rights. In sri lanka culture women are not allowed to lose their virginity before marriage. But legally there is no such a rule.
I think you cannot understand this because your religion is Islam and you are a (probably) devoted Muslim who never think or seen out of your frame. You will never let your women wear short dresses or drink or smoke. But People who live in countries such as Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan has the religion Islam but are not Muslims. Their men and women wear anything drink and sometimes I have seen them eating pork too.

So still your argument is not valid. The topic is gender discrimination and wife beating is allowed in islam and still you couldn't prove that it is not. In fact you agreed that men can beat or "tap" women. Therefore we only have to settle down with gender discrimination.

why u comparing men and women.men are here to do a different reason and women are for a different reason.men not suppose to do/never can do what a women can do like child birth...ect.god created women soft and kind comparing to men for a different reason and men stronger to support women and the kids.
of course lion stay and look after the cubs while the tigress go hunting.its another way.even in a hive the queen bee is the one who controls.so what...
think how could be the family life when husband and wife have the same behavior and habits.

u think a man marry a women because she is weak so to protect her????

think!! both need each other.that doesnt mean one is weak than the other.both are weak in such a way.so both need each other

First of all None of us who are arguing with you do not believe in so called god. If you wanna prove the existence of god you should do it in another thread. We only discuss about the legal rights of women in islam. Don't bring "god did that, He did this, He said this, " statements because We need your own opinion. Not what god said. If you are afraid to think for your self then there is no use arguing with you.

And I'm not comparing men and women. I'm comparing their rights. If rights of one party overcomes the other party then that is a discrimination. I just brought the fact that females of some species are more stronger than males to prove that you so called GOD's design is not so intelligent. Just tell me is it fare and ok to make the females of pack (social) animals such as wolves or horses as powerful as their males but not make women powerful as men. If "GOD" had done that don't you think that he wouldn't have to put so many restrictions on women?

u still didnt discover the super natural power and searching for the truth.but we did. for us the quran provides enough prove to believe in him.

If Quran provides you enough proofs to believe in god then Gospel of FSM provides very accurate scientific and reasonable proofs to believe in him. Don't say that god exists because he says so in his book which you need to learn ancient arabic to understand properly.

because of the advance in science only Islam is growing fast now.so i also hope u will get a reply soon.

Really? Lately have you seen birth rates among Muslim counties and communities?

u didnt tell the poor are sinful.but that is what people believe who believe in rebirth.
we cant sure about who will go to hell and heaven.even not a muslim go to heaven if he didn't follow his commandments.
god has sent messengers to guide the people and providing us all the proves for his existence.
think a muslim who do good deeds,believe in god,prays,fast and follow all what god commanded him.
and another person who do charity and show love toward human kind but dont believe or follow god.
if both go to heaven ... dont u think its unfair for the person who believed in god and followed his all commandments????????????????

Of course then you have no idea who will go to heaven. That's great to know.
Let me ask you this. "God" sent his last two messengers within about 600 years and he sent enough proof to believe in him for those people. And since then he has been silent for a long long time. Haven't you ever thought about the fact that if he could appear to a president of a powerful nation such as America or China then it is a static proof and of course whole world will accept his existence? Why would he want people to believe in a thousand years old book which is greatly being challenged for its contradictory language and evidence. If he refuse to do that then all I have to say that he doesn't want people to go to heaven and he is an egoistic control freak. If he really loves his creations then he could even appear to each individual. You may give thousand answers to this but dude, start thinking.

And about your second opinion I don't think its unfair. Because as a conscious and unbiased person I can understand that it is the right thing and that's how it should be. And also there is sect or Christians that believe that fact. Search for the Unificationist Church. I once met a Scandinavian guy from that religion.

So tell me your opinion? Is it fair or not. Should all nonbelievers be condemned to hell regardless of there good works???

i dont have to run.im ready to reply u.if someone kills its the fault of that person not the religion.if any1 kills he should be punished to death coz islam never allows killing an innocent.

Then what about all those people killed in Indonesia and Pakistan for blaspheming?? What about people like salman rushdi?? What about all the tribal children and women killed by Muhammad him self. What about the rule of giving death penalty to a person who leaves islam?? Many of them were innocent people who never harmed anyone else. I'm not gonna discus about "islam never kills innocents" cause that is of course useless and need no discussions.

 

[njsa]

I agree with you about men and women can have different rules part. But If those rules imply any disadvantages or unfair judgments on the other party then it should be changed and of course then that rule is not fair at all. Like men are allowed to beat women and women are not allowed do so. It clearly violates the Human right of everyone being treated equally.

i told in an earlier thread that y women not allow to beat husband back.i hope u read those before reply to me.sometimes to protect a family life we should do things which even we dont like.the divorces are more in this world,specially in western world because of this.they dont want to settle the problem but directly going for the divorce.not caring about the kids and their future.as u asking why god created in such a way...again u will ask why even he created women.cant men live alone in this world...so these questions are just rubbish.
so as a last resort a man choose to show his objection by just giving her a light tap could save a family what option he should choose.
islam not talking about unnecessary beating or cruel beating.

"If a wife fears cruelty or desertion on her husband's part, there is no blame on them if they arrange an amicable settlement between themselves; and such settlement is best; even though men's souls are swayed by greed. But if ye do good and practise self-restraint, God is well-acquainted with all that ye do. (The Noble Quran, 4:128)"

I told you we are talking about legal rights here. Not cultural rights. In sri lanka culture women are not allowed to lose their virginity before marriage. But legally there is no such a rule.

for us no cultural rights and legal rights as u telling.we have only one rule to follow.
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I think you cannot understand this because your religion is Islam and you are a (probably) devoted Muslim who never think or seen out of your frame. You will never let your women wear short dresses or drink or smoke. But People who live in countries such as Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan has the religion Islam but are not Muslims. Their men and women wear anything drink and sometimes I have seen them eating pork too.

and yes.we are devoted because we believe in god.if i have doubt about my faith i cant call my self a muslim.muslim means the person who submitted his will to god.
not in Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan...u can see these type of things even in srilanka. because they do doesnt mean they are correct.so i dont know what u trying to say here.those who god piers will follow and others will do what ever they want.its like a buddhist who take his sil and drink in the evening.

So still your argument is not valid. The topic is gender discrimination and wife beating is allowed in islam and still you couldn't prove that it is not. In fact you agreed that men can beat or "tap" women. Therefore we only have to settle down with gender discrimination.

i proved already.
anyway i will tell u once again.

"...on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and God brings about through it a great deal of good. (The Noble Quran, 4:19)"

Narrated Mu'awiyah al-Qushayri: "I went to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) and asked him: What do you say (command) about our wives? He replied: Give them food what you have for yourself, and clothe them by which you clothe yourself, and do not beat them, and do not revile them. (Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 11, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Number 2139)"

Narrated Mu'awiyah ibn Haydah: "I said: Apostle of Allah, how should we approach our wives and how should we leave them? He replied: Approach your tilth when or how you will, give her (your wife) food when you take food, clothe when you clothe yourself, do not revile her face, and do not beat her. (Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 11, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Number 2138)"

Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying: "He who believes in Allah and the Hereafter, if he witnesses any matter he should talk in good terms about it or keep quiet. Act kindly towards woman, for woman is created from a rib, and the most crooked part of the rib is its top. If you attempt to straighten it, you will break it, and if you leave it, its crookedness will remain there. So act kindly towards women. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book of Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Book 008, Number 3468)"

First of all None of us who are arguing with you do not believe in so called god. If you wanna prove the existence of god you should do it in another thread. We only discuss about the legal rights of women in islam. Don't bring "god did that, He did this, He said this, " statements because We need your own opinion. Not what god said. If you are afraid to think for your self then there is no use arguing with you.

i dont mind u believe in god or not.
the subject is

Is wife beating and gender discrimination allowed in quran..
so u like it or not i have to talk about god,quran and hadees to explain u.
we arent afraid.you are afraid to face the truth!!

And I'm not comparing men and women. I'm comparing their rights. If rights of one party overcomes the other party then that is a discrimination. I just brought the fact that females of some species are more stronger than males to prove that you so called GOD's design is not so intelligent. Just tell me is it fare and ok to make the females of pack (social) animals such as wolves or horses as powerful as their males but not make women powerful as men. If "GOD" had done that don't you think that he wouldn't have to put so many restrictions on women?

i told u earlier.men and both in need of each other.so there is no discrimination.both play differents roles in a family.if a man try to be a women or when a women try to be like a man will face so much problem in family.
god knows how to create each other for a peaceful life.
in western countries dont follow what god says.they made new rules but yet why there arent peace in those families..?????

If Quran provides you enough proofs to believe in god then Gospel of FSM provides very accurate scientific and reasonable proofs to believe in him. Don't say that god exists because he says so in his book which you need to learn ancient arabic to understand properly

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there is nothing as ancient arabic.of course the arabic language is very difficult to translate because there are many meaning for one word.quran is difficult to understand because the language had used was very high.thats is the reason why many came to islam that time by just hearing to it.coz they know that an illiterate man couldnt prepare something unique like that.

Really? Lately have you seen birth rates among Muslim counties and communities?

dont u know that many converting to islam now....?!!!

Of course then you have no idea who will go to heaven. That's great to know.
Let me ask you this. "God" sent his last two messengers within about 600 years and he sent enough proof to believe in him for those people. And since then he has been silent for a long long time. Haven't you ever thought about the fact that if he could appear to a president of a powerful nation such as America or China then it is a static proof and of course whole world will accept his existence? Why would he want people to believe in a thousand years old book which is greatly being challenged for its contradictory language and evidence. If he refuse to do that then all I have to say that he doesn't want people to go to heaven and he is an egoistic control freak. If he really loves his creations then he could even appear to each individual. You may give thousand answers to this but dude, start thinking.

within that 600 years people start to corrupt their book and tried to enter new things as per their wish and need. so there was a nessasity to send a new messenger to guide them again.but its not what happened with the quran.it still remain pure and it is in the present language which still in use.
so what u telling about the language and evidence is totally wrong.also still people read quran and investigate its contains.day by day people get to know many things as correct with the advance of science.so quran is not expiered like other books.so not necessary f or a new messenger to guide.

god loves his creation.thats why he wanted to guide u and show u profs.u dont care that couldnt be the fault of god.he created us to worship him.god is fair and justise.so by treating a person who follow god and dont follow god both get heaven means no point in all of these.its like all who failed and passed a/l getting select to campass. failing them doesnt mean that government is unfair to those who dont study.

And about your second opinion I don't think its unfair. Because as a conscious and unbiased person I can understand that it is the right thing and that's how it should be. And also there is sect or Christians that believe that fact. Search for the Unificationist Church. I once met a Scandinavian guy from that religion.

So tell me your opinion? Is it fair or not. Should all nonbelievers be condemned to hell regardless of there good works???

coz they changed ..we have to change it as well?!!!!! y??? we dont want to care about the quantity of followers.christian do that because fear about people leaving the church.

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Then what about all those people killed in Indonesia and Pakistan for blaspheming?? What about people like salman rushdi?? What about all the tribal children and women killed by Muhammad him self. What about the rule of giving death penalty to a person who leaves islam?? Many of them were innocent people who never harmed anyone else. I'm not gonna discus about "islam never kills innocents" cause that is of course useless and need no discussions.[/SIZE]

islam never kills innocents but sometimes muslim do.coz of their lack of knowledge. muhammed SAW never killed any1 as ur telling.he fight with those who came to fight with him.so when u claim some thing u should provide profe.
it is a misconception that a person who leave islam get death panelty.people even left islam at the time of prophet.
salman rushdy started malaying about islam.he told many things about quran which is not true.u support him because he talked about islam.but things will change if its about jesus or buddah.

 

[dilankandy]

i told in an earlier thread that y women not allow to beat husband back.i hope u read those before reply to me.sometimes to protect a family life we should do things which even we dont like.the divorces are more in this world,specially in western world because of this.they dont want to settle the problem but directly going for the divorce.not caring about the kids and their future.as u asking why god created in such a way...again u will ask why even he created women.cant men live alone in this world...so these questions are just rubbish.
so as a last resort a man choose to show his objection by just giving her a light tap could save a family what option he should choose.
islam not talking about unnecessary beating or cruel beating.

Don't escape from question. The topic is weather Gender discrimination and wife beating is allowed or not. In here you just try to justify the reason to do that. So I think every one would agree that the question is answered.

for us no cultural rights and legal rights as u telling.we have only one rule to follow.

Just what I told. No rights for anyone just bunch of ancient rules.

Sahih International
Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.

Quran 4,34

So this clearly says if your wife shows arrogance (does not agree with you) beat them until they agree with you.

there is nothing as ancient arabic.of course the arabic language is very difficult to translate because there are many meaning for one word.quran is difficult to understand because the language had used was very high.thats is the reason why many came to islam that time by just hearing to it.coz they know that an illiterate man couldnt prepare something unique like that.

This should be discussed in another discussion. Language in quran is difficult. I agree. In fact I admire the poetry in quran. But if it is so difficult to understand and translate how can others understand it so easily. Don't you contradict your self here? Quantum physics is difficult and difficult to interpret. But why won't people understand that so easily??

within that 600 years people start to corrupt their book and tried to enter new things as per their wish and need. so there was a nessasity to send a new messenger to guide them again.but its not what happened with the quran.it still remain pure and it is in the present language which still in use.
so what u telling about the language and evidence is totally wrong.also still people read quran and investigate its contains.day by day people get to know many things as correct with the advance of science.so quran is not expiered like other books.so not necessary f or a new messenger to guide.

Oh yeah. the so called "Miracles of Quran". I'm not gonna answer this since this has been answered many times and Ahmed is doing a great deal of work in that section.

god loves his creation.thats why he wanted to guide u and show u profs.u dont care that couldnt be the fault of god.he created us to worship him.god is fair and justise.so by treating a person who follow god and dont follow god both get heaven means no point in all of these.its like all who failed and passed a/l getting select to campass. failing them doesnt mean that government is unfair to those who dont study.

1. This so called "God" loves all of us. Including me and you.
2. "" "" "" "" is all mercyful and all forgiving.
3. People who did good deeds (As god commanded) even they didn't believe there is a "God" goes to hell.

Conclusion - God is not mercyful and allforgiving.

That's the logic. no need

on the other hand government is not god and government only has a limited capacity for students. If government had the chance to make everyone educated it would. Never try to compare this "GOD" with any one since god does not behave as mere mortals(That is in the description of god)

islam never kills innocents but sometimes muslim do.coz of their lack of knowledge. muhammed SAW never killed any1 as ur telling.he fight with those who came to fight with him.so when u claim some thing u should provide profe.
it is a misconception that a person who leave islam get death panelty.people even left islam at the time of prophet.

I'm not gonna discuss this anymore since it's not related to topic

Yusuf Ali
They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-

quran/4/89

Muhammad Never Killed Children

The Truth:

It is probably fair to say that Muhammad did not approve of the intentional killing of children. A verse from the Qur’an laments the pre-Islamic Arab practice of infanticide against baby girls. Other evidence from the Hadith suggests that he instructed his men not to kill children in battle, if it could be avoided, but to capture them for slavery.

Children were often given a specific reprieve from the mandate to "kill those who disbelieve in Allah":

[Muhammad said] “Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah. Do not be deceitful with the spoils; do not be treacherous, nor mutilate nor kill children.” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 992)

But Muhammad’s definition of a child was not the same as our modern understanding. Following the surrender of the Qurayza stronghold, he ordered the execution of every male child who had reached puberty. His men had the boys drop their pants so that they could chop the head off of anyone with pubic hair (Sahih Muslim 4390).

Keep in mind that many Muslims often insist that Aisha reached puberty at age nine, since that is the age that Muhammad began having sex with her. If so, then the age for “manhood” among boys might have been considered around twelve.

Muhammad also played a bit loose with the lives of women and children during wartime. As recorded in both Bukhari and Sahih Muslim:

It is reported on the authority of Sa'b b. Jaththama that the Prophet of Allah (may peace be upon him), when asked about the women and children of the polytheists being killed during the night raid, said: “They are from them.” (Sahih Muslim 4322, see also Bukhari 52:256)

This does not justify the targeted killing of women and children per se, but it does prove that collateral damage is entirely acceptable if it accomplishes the military goal of spreading Islamic rule. It is doubtful that Muhammad would ever shrug off the killing of young Muslims as he did the killing of non-Muslim children.

Muhammad did, in fact, draw a distinction between Muslim and non-Muslim children and said that it would be permissible to kill a child who has no prospect of accepting Islam:

The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) used not to kill the children, so thou shouldst not kill them unless you could know what Khadir had known about the child he killed, or you could distinguish between a child who would grow up to he a believer (and a child who would grow up to be a non-believer), so that you killed the (prospective) non-believer and left the (prospective) believer aside. (Sahih Muslim 4457)

After capturing Mecca, the prophet of Islam also ordered the execution of two “singing girls” who had mocked him in verse:

“…two singing-girls Fartana and her friend who used to sing satirical songs about the apostle, so he ordered that they should be killed…” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 819)​

 

[Al Baik]

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[njsa]

Don't escape from question. The topic is weather Gender discrimination and wife beating is allowed or not. In here you just try to justify the reason to do that. So I think every one would agree that the question is answered.

i gave u enough reply and its up to u in accepting or not.

Just what I told. No rights for anyone just bunch of ancient rules.

what are the lateset rules u want????????
to drink??????????,women to wear shorts???men to have sex before marriage?????????
so if this is what u want,..then really sorry ..we are happy with this ancient rules.we like to live like human and not as animals..u can enjoy ur new rules.

Sahih International
Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.
Quran 4,34
So this clearly says if your wife shows arrogance (does not agree with you) beat them until they agree with you.

ha ..ha.trying to add a new meaning.this is about those women who is misbehaving.it doesn't mean not agree with him in all aspects.women have a right to decide what is correct.but there are cases where women do wrong things which go against the religion and become a problem in the family.so to prevent from future problems islam tells him to advice,separate them in bed and atlast a tap to show his objection towards her.
as i mentioned earlier if a women fear about husbands cruel beating she can seek the elders help and also can leave him.

Sahih International
And if a woman fears from her husband contempt or evasion, there is no sin upon them if they make terms of settlement between them - and settlement is best. And present in [human] souls is stinginess. But if you do good and fear Allah - then indeed Allah is ever, with what you do, Acquainted.
noble quran 4;128

This should be discussed in another discussion. Language in quran is difficult. I agree. In fact I admire the poetry in quran. But if it is so difficult to understand and translate how can others understand it so easily. Don't you contradict your self here? Quantum physics is difficult and difficult to interpret. But why won't people understand that so easily??

it is difficult to translate because its difficult to find the correct word which suits best.otherwise as an arabic book if anyone read can understand it.
a person couldnt understand doesnt mean that there is an error in that book.the litreature is so high.if any1 tell that i cant understand subashitheye, doesnt mean that its a fault of the author.
at that time poetry took a big role and the arabs were very proud with their language.so when they hear the quran they understood that it couldnt be from the illiterate prophet or some1 else.god gave all the prophets miracles to prove that they are from god.prophet Mohammed SAW got the quran as his miracle[

Oh yeah. the so called "Miracles of Quran". I'm not gonna answer this since this has been answered many times and Ahmed is doing a great deal of work in that section.

im not talking about the those miracles here.im talking about the scientific facts proved in quran.people like professor keeth moore who accepted islam.i dont even care or rarely read what ex-muslim post here.he is a mentally sick person who often lie to prove his point.

)1. This so called "God" loves all of us. Including me and you.
2. "" "" "" "" is all mercyful and all forgiving.
3. People who did good deeds (As god commanded) even they didn't believe there is a "God" goes to hell.

Conclusion - God is not mercyful and allforgiving.

That's the logic. no need

on the other hand government is not god and government only has a limited capacity for students. If government had the chance to make everyone educated it would. Never try to compare this "GOD" with any one since god does not behave as mere mortals(That is in the description of god

god created human,angles ,jin,trees and animal.
angles are believers of allah and fixed.their is no non muslim angles.all know allah is there.
jin-there are bad jins and good jins.but its fixed.a bad 1 cant turn to be good or the good to be bad.
human-we arent fixed.he has given us freedom to find the truth though his guidence.we are free to seek the truth.
so asking this type of questions doesnt make sense.we are just a type of creation of god. next u will ask why god didnt create us like trees,animals who dont have to work,study.
god loves and justice too.how can it b gods fault that u rejecting him and mostly abuse him.he loves who ever obey him.
i just showed u an example that what if government pass all the students.god created in this way where he had given us all the freedom and guide us.if a student fails even after teacher try her best to pass the kid.so blaming the teacher is not fair.think that government has full freedom to give pass to all the students.then what?????

I'm not gonna discuss this anymore since it's not related to topic

No problem.u can open a new thread and discuss.

Yusuf Ali
They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-
quran/4/89

Qur’an clearly condemns murder. The Qur’an says about the prohibition of murder,
6:151 Take not life, which God hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus does He command you, that ye may learn wisdom.
17:33 Nor take life, which God has made sacred, except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, We have given his heir authority (to demand Qisas(retribution) or to forgive): but let him not exceed bounds in the matter of taking life; for he is helped (by the law)
5:32…if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people

u had misquoted this.read the full context.u will understand.
4:88-91 Why should ye be divided into two parties about the Hypocrites? Allah hath upset them for their (evil) deeds. Would ye guide those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way? For those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way, never shalt thou find the Way. They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): so take not friends from their ranks until they forsake the domain of evil in the way of God (from what is forbidden). But if they revert to [open] enmity, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks. Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (Of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If God had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (guarantees of) peace, then God hath opened no way for you (to war against them).
Others you will find that wish to gain your confidence as well as that of their people: every time they are sent back to temptation, they succumb thereto; if they withdraw not from you nor give you (guarantees) of peace besides restraining their hands, seize them and slay them wherever ye get them; in their case We have provided you with a clear argument against them

Muhammad Never Killed Children​

The Truth:
It is probably fair to say that Muhammad did not approve of the intentional killing of children. A verse from the Qur’an laments the pre-Islamic Arab practice of infanticide against baby girls. Other evidence from the Hadith suggests that he instructed his men not to kill children in battle, if it could be avoided, but to capture them for slavery.

you yourself had answered.

Children were often given a specific reprieve from the mandate to "kill those who disbelieve in Allah":
[Muhammad said] “Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah. Do not be deceitful with the spoils; do not be treacherous, nor mutilate nor kill children.” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 992)
But Muhammad’s definition of a child was not the same as our modern understanding. Following the surrender of the Qurayza stronghold, he ordered the execution of every male child who had reached puberty. His men had the boys drop their pants so that they could chop the head off of anyone with pubic hair (Sahih Muslim 4390).
Keep in mind that many Muslims often insist that Aisha reached puberty at age nine, since that is the age that Muhammad began having sex with her.If so, then the age for “manhood” among boys might have been considered around twelve.

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Muhammad also played a bit loose with the lives of women and children during wartime. As recorded in both Bukhari and Sahih Muslim:
It is reported on the authority of Sa'b b. Jaththama that the Prophet of Allah (may peace be upon him), when asked about the women and children of the polytheists being killed during the night raid, said: “They are from them.” (Sahih Muslim 4322, see also Bukhari 52:256)

sahih muslim 4390- i cant find that hadees.refer me where it is mentioned.not your surce.i need from our's as how u provide quran verses from an accurate website.

“Do not kill any old person, any child, or any woman.” [Abu Dawud]
“Do not kill the monks in monasteries,” or “Do not kill the people who are sitting in places of worship.” [Musnad Ahmad]
Narrated Anas ibn Malik: The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: Go in Allah's name, trusting in Allah, and adhering to the religion of Allah's Apostle. Do not kill a decrepit old man, or a young infant, or a child, or a woman; do not be dishonest about booty, but collect your spoils, do right and act well, for Allah loves those who do well. (Sunan Abu Dawud , Book 14, Number 2608)
It is narrated by Ibn 'Umar that a woman was found killed in one of these battles; so the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) forbade the killing of women and children.

[Sahih Muslim, Book 019, Number 4320]

This does not justify the targeted killing of women and children per se, but it does prove that collateral damage is entirely acceptable if it accomplishes the military goal of spreading Islamic rule. It is doubtful that Muhammad would ever shrug off the killing of young Muslims as he did the killing of non-Muslim children.

Muhammad did, in fact, draw a distinction between Muslim and non-Muslim children and said that it would be permissible to kill a child who has no prospect of accepting Islam:

The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) used not to kill the children, so thou shouldst not kill them unless you could know what Khadir had known about the child he killed, or you could distinguish between a child who would grow up to he a believer (and a child who would grow up to be a non-believer), so that you killed the (prospective) non-believer and left the (prospective) believer aside. (Sahih Muslim 4457)

i cant find any of these hadees u mentioned.so provide me accurate resouce from where u got these.

After capturing Mecca, the prophet of Islam also ordered the execution of two “singing girls” who had mocked him in verse:
“…two singing-girls Fartana and her friend who used to sing satirical songs about the apostle, so he ordered that they should be killed…” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 819)

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ibn ishaq/hisham not a hadees brother.it was written by a person who was against islam that time.so check and confirm ur self.

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u had pasted a very long paragraph even without reading and confirm whether its correct or not.see this is what happening with u all.just blaming without even know its true or not.

Don't escape from question. The topic is weather Gender discrimination and wife beating is allowed or not. In here you just try to justify the reason to do that. So I think every one would agree that the question is answered.

i gave u enough reply and its up to u in accepting or not.

Just what I told. No rights for anyone just bunch of ancient rules.

what are the lateset rules u want????????
to drink??????????,women to wear shorts???men to have sex before marriage?????????
so if this is what u want,..then really sorry ..we are happy with this ancient rules.we like to live like human and not as animals..u can enjoy ur new rules.

Sahih International
Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.

Quran 4,34
So this clearly says if your wife shows arrogance (does not agree with you) beat them until they agree with you.

ha ..ha.trying to add a new meaning.this is about those women who is misbehaving.it doesn't mean not agree with him in all aspects.women have a right to decide what is correct.but there are cases where women do wrong things which go against the religion and become a problem in the family.so to prevent from future problems islam tells him to advice,separate them in bed and atlast a tap to show his objection towards her.
as i mentioned earlier if a women fear about husbands cruel beating she can seek the elders help and also can leave him.

Sahih International
And if a woman fears from her husband contempt or evasion, there is no sin upon them if they make terms of settlement between them - and settlement is best. And present in [human] souls is stinginess. But if you do good and fear Allah - then indeed Allah is ever, with what you do, Acquainted.
noble quran 4;128

This should be discussed in another discussion. Language in quran is difficult. I agree. In fact I admire the poetry in quran. But if it is so difficult to understand and translate how can others understand it so easily. Don't you contradict your self here? Quantum physics is difficult and difficult to interpret. But why won't people understand that so easily??

it is difficult to translate because its difficult to find the correct word which suits best.otherwise as an arabic book if anyone read can understand it.

a person couldnt understand doesnt mean that there is an error in that book.the litreature is so high.if any1 tell that i cant understand subashitheye, doesnt mean that its a fault of the author.
at that time poetry took a big role and the arabs were very proud with their language.so when they hear the quran they understood that it couldnt be from the illiterate prophet or some1 else.

Oh yeah. the so called "Miracles of Quran". I'm not gonna answer this since this has been answered many times and Ahmed is doing a great deal of work in that section.

im not talking about the those miracles here.im talking about the scientific facts proved in quran.people like professor keeth moore who accepted islam.i dont even care or rarely read what ex-muslim post.

)1. This so called "God" loves all of us. Including me and you.
2. "" "" "" "" is all mercyful and all forgiving.
3. People who did good deeds (As god commanded) even they didn't believe there is a "God" goes to hell.

Conclusion - God is not mercyful and allforgiving.

That's the logic. no need

on the other hand government is not god and government only has a limited capacity for students. If government had the chance to make everyone educated it would. Never try to compare this "GOD" with any one since god does not behave as mere mortals(That is in the description of god

god created human,angles trees and animal.
angles are believers of allah and fixed.their is no non muslim angles.all know allah is there.
animals/animals- nothing.
human.we arent fixed.he has given us freedom to find the truth though his guidence.
asking this type of questions doesnt make sense.we are just a type of creation of god. next u will ask why god didnt create us like trees,animals who dont have to work,study.

god loves and justice too.how can it b gods fault that u rejecting him and mostly abuse him.he loves who ever obey him.
i just showed u an example that what if government pass all the students.god created in this way where he had given us all the freedom and guide us.if a student fails even after teacher try her best to pass the kid.so blaming the teacher is not fair.

I'm not gonna discuss this anymore since it's not related to topic

Yusuf Ali
They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-

quran/4/89

 

[njsa]

Muhammad Never Killed Children
The Truth:

It is probably fair to say that Muhammad did not approve of the intentional killing of children. A verse from the Qur’an laments the pre-Islamic Arab practice of infanticide against baby girls. Other evidence from the Hadith suggests that he instructed his men not to kill children in battle, if it could be avoided, but to capture them for slavery.

Children were often given a specific reprieve from the mandate to "kill those who disbelieve in Allah":

[Muhammad said] “Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah. Do not be deceitful with the spoils; do not be treacherous, nor mutilate nor kill children.” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 992)

But Muhammad’s definition of a child was not the same as our modern understanding. Following the surrender of the Qurayza stronghold, he ordered the execution of every male child who had reached puberty. His men had the boys drop their pants so that they could chop the head off of anyone with pubic hair (Sahih Muslim 4390).

Keep in mind that many Muslims often insist that Aisha reached puberty at age nine, since that is the age that Muhammad began having sex with her. If so, then the age for “manhood” among boys might have been considered around twelve.

Muhammad also played a bit loose with the lives of women and children during wartime. As recorded in both Bukhari and Sahih Muslim:

It is reported on the authority of Sa'b b. Jaththama that the Prophet of Allah (may peace be upon him), when asked about the women and children of the polytheists being killed during the night raid, said: “They are from them.” (Sahih Muslim 4322, see also Bukhari 52:256)

sahih muslim 4390- i cant find that hadees.refer me where it is mentioned.not your surce.i need from our's as how u provide quran verses from an accurate website.

This does not justify the targeted killing of women and children per se, but it does prove that collateral damage is entirely acceptable if it accomplishes the military goal of spreading Islamic rule. It is doubtful that Muhammad would ever shrug off the killing of young Muslims as he did the killing of non-Muslim children.

Muhammad did, in fact, draw a distinction between Muslim and non-Muslim children and said that it would be permissible to kill a child who has no prospect of accepting Islam:

The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) used not to kill the children, so thou shouldst not kill them unless you could know what Khadir had known about the child he killed, or you could distinguish between a child who would grow up to he a believer (and a child who would grow up to be a non-believer), so that you killed the (prospective) non-believer and left the (prospective) believer aside. (Sahih Muslim 4457)

i cant find any of these hadees u mentioned.so provide me accurate resouce from where u got these.

After capturing Mecca, the prophet of Islam also ordered the execution of two “singing girls” who had mocked him in verse:

“…two singing-girls Fartana and her friend who used to sing satirical songs about the apostle, so he ordered that they should be killed…” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 819)[/FONT][/SIZE][/CENTER]

ibn ishaq/hisham not a hadees brother.it was written by a person who was against islam that time.so check and confirm ur self.


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u had posted a very long paragraph even without reading and confirm whether its correct or not.see this is what happening with u all.just blaming without even know its true or not.

 

[dilankandy]

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Yet another typical muslim.. I give up mate.. There is no point arguing with someone who does not agree with the simplest fact. I got what I needed from you..

Along all your posts you are trying to justify the wife beating and gender discrimination. Anyone who read your posts can understand that. Plus you also proved that you cannot think for your self as a human being without referring to your scriptures...

Weather you accept it or not it is clear the idea in islam about wife beating and discrimination..

 

[njsa]

Yet another typical muslim.. I give up mate.. There is no point arguing with someone who does not agree with the simplest fact. I got what I needed from you..

Along all your posts you are trying to justify the wife beating and gender discrimination. Anyone who read your posts can understand that. Plus you also proved that you cannot think for your self as a human being without referring to your scriptures...

Weather you accept it or not it is clear the idea in islam about wife beating and discrimination..

yes,im a typical Muslim who knows what is correct and ur a typical non Muslim who keep on arguing to prove Islam wrong.islamaphobia!!

who ever read the post from the first will understand that Islam never gender discriminate and walbada deseapeared without answering me!!

AND the funniest thing is where buddhist and hindus expect wife to touch the feet of husband.what a shame!!!

 

[dilankandy]

yes,im a typical Muslim who knows what is correct and ur a typical non Muslim who keep on arguing to prove Islam wrong.islamaphobia!!

who ever read the post from the first will understand that Islam never gender discriminate and walbada deseapeared without answering me!!

AND the funniest thing is where buddhist and hindus expect wife to touch the feet of husband.what a shame!!!

1. Let the viewers judge that.. I only debate with people so that viewers can judge whats the truth and what's not. I don't care weather you realize the face or not. cool: >> I fight for the user<< plus I know every muslim who come here usually never agree with any thing we say no matter how ever logical it is.

2. You need to do some serious research about where the lord buddah asked his followers to do that. If you can't do that you are a Lier.

 

[njsa]

1. Let the viewers judge that.. I only debate with people so that viewers can judge whats the truth and what's not. I don't care weather you realize the face or not. cool: >> I fight for the user<< plus I know every muslim who come here usually never agree with any thing we say no matter how ever logical it is.

i have to tell u the same.how logical proves we give u dont agree.so its ok.let give reader the chance to decide.

also i like to tel u that this women right human right which made this life and families a hell which took too much action where dont care each other.(i dont say that this is bad but sometimes they decide beyond limits)now take western world as an example where both earn. when both are capable and financially stable easily split the family and get separate.no one depend on other.who suffer??????the poor kids.also after somedays the women will be all alone.in those countries having more single parents in the community is a big problem now.god knows how to create.going against him will create problem.

in a family there is a head,mother the second,elders,youngers grand parents where all play different rolls.because of that only we can see the unseen control and well maintain in a family which goes smoothly.

2. You need to do some serious research about where the lord buddah asked his followers to do that. If you can't do that you are a Lier.

u do idle worship and when we ask y....the answer is he never said but we doing. WHY?????

u make wife and the kids to bow down to the man.....when we ask y...the same answer.

so this shows that u doing all what he never said to do or u just escaping giving a hypocrite answer.

 

[dilankandy]

u do idle worship and when we ask y....the answer is he never said but we doing. WHY?????

u make wife and the kids to bow down to the man.....when we ask y...the same answer.

so this shows that u doing all what he never said to do or u just escaping giving a hypocrite answer.

0. All of those questions have been answered many times.

1. about that human right crap you wrote - what ever you say mate.. Still trying to justify the beatings and discrimination..

2. We don't worship idols. Worshiping an Idol means you expect to get some things (physical or otherworldly) by doing that. Buddhists never do that. We just pay our respects to lord buddah and to make it easy and concentrate we use an Idol. It could be an Idol or a picture or any other symbol that represent buddhism. If you think that as worshiping the Idol then I must say Muslims also "worship" kaaba. You wouldn't agree on that one would you?

3. Buddhism is a phylosophy. For sinhalese its has the same value you would call as a religion. But we have our own culture too. In that culture wife and children bow down to husband. Because in old lanka husband was the one who provided the food to family. So to show respect the other members bow downed to him.

4. And in buddhism it never says that women should worship to men. You said that and when I say to prove it you can't. Who is the hypocrite now?

5. And also you need to learn the difference between showing respect and worshiping some one. Touching our parents feet or bowing down in front of them is the way sinhala buddhists pay respect. I don't know how muslims respect their parents but I know that they never bow down in front of them cause they think it is a worship. But I'm not gonna say that muslims don't respect their parents.

6. There it is I answered it. Now it's up to you to prove that lord buddah said that women should worship men..

 

[Odel]

SHUT UP U ASS HOLE!!!

 

[Odel]

IM GONNA NAME YOU SAITN BIG SIZE

 

[njsa]

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QUOTE=dilankandy;9736081]0. All of those questions have been answered many times.

1. about that human right crap you wrote - what ever you say mate.. Still trying to justify the beatings and discrimination..

im telling u there is no descrimination and wife beating allowed.so where i agreed with u.

2. We don't worship idols. Worshiping an Idol means you expect to get some things (physical or otherworldly) by doing that. Buddhists never do that. We just pay our respects to lord buddah and to make it easy and concentrate we use an Idol. It could be an Idol or a picture or any other symbol that represent buddhism. If you think that as worshiping the Idol then I must say Muslims also "worship" kaaba. You wouldn't agree on that one would you?

if he never told to worship idol ..why u do that.i had many stories like keeping eyes to that idol a big formality.
where u saw we bow down the kaaba.we just rotate 7 times around the kaaba.people used to stand and preach azan(caller to the prayer) on the kaaba.also the meaning of kaaba in arabic means the black box.we consider it as its our one of a holy place.
earlier we didnt directed to turn the side of kaaba.first kaaba was jeruselem.later changed it to mekkah.it shows that the place doesnt matter and the piority is giving for the unity.

3. Buddhism is a phylosophy. For sinhalese its has the same value you would call as a religion. But we have our own culture too. In that culture wife and children bow down to husband. Because in old lanka husband was the one who provided the food to family. So to show respect the other members bow downed to him.

so respect to wife do husband bow down to wife??????????

4. And in buddhism it never says that women should worship to men. You said that and when I say to prove it you can't. Who is the hypocrite now

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no im not an hypocrite.coz i ever told u that buddhism telling it.i know u dont do what he told.

5. And also you need to learn the difference between showing respect and worshiping some one. Touching our parents feet or bowing down in front of them is the way sinhala buddhists pay respect. I don't know how muslims respect their parents but I know that they never bow down in front of them cause they think it is a worship. But I'm not gonna say that muslims don't respect their parents.

we have respect in our heart and action.we dont believe that we have to bow down to show respect.so why not husband bow down to wife and show respect to show ur equal rights.

6. There it is I answered it. Now it's up to you to prove that lord buddah said that women should worship men..

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where i told that buddhism telling this.may be telling.i dont know.tell me why u doing things which he doesnt say to follow.arent u a good follower of him....does this means that u dont agree with his some points as he just a philosopher.....

 

[dilankandy]

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im telling u there is no descrimination and wife beating allowed.so where i agreed with u.


if he never told to worship idol ..why u do that.i had many stories like keeping eyes to that idol a big formality.
where u saw we bow down the kaaba.we just rotate 7 times around the kaaba.people used to stand and preach azan(caller to the prayer) on the kaaba.also the meaning of kaaba in arabic means the black box.we consider it as its our one of a holy place.
earlier we didnt directed to turn the side of kaaba.first kaaba was jeruselem.later changed it to mekkah.it shows that the place doesnt matter and the piority is giving for the unity.



so respect to wife do husband bow down to wife??????????

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no im not an hypocrite.coz i ever told u that buddhism telling it.i know u dont do what he told.

we have respect in our heart and action.we dont believe that we have to bow down to show respect.so why not husband bow down to wife and show respect to show ur equal rights.

where i told that buddhism telling this.may be telling.i dont know.tell me why u doing things which he doesnt say to follow.arent u a good follower of him....does this means that u dont agree with his some points as he just a philosopher.....[/QUOTE]

Man there is no arguing with you if you keep being stupid. I just told you the difference between respect and worship and how we shoe our respect and yet you ask me why we "worship" Idols.

And I also told you woman bowing down to man is sinhala culture it is not buddhism. It has nothing to do with buddhism. You can't understand this because for muslims everything is his religion. Even to take a crap you have to check what your religion told about it. But others are different. Buddhism only guides us to end the suffering of a person. If you can't understand the difference between a culture and a religion there is no point continuing this.

 

[III Reich]

why muslims has to drag buddhism in to play whenever they were asked a simple question about islam

 

[brave]

why muslims has to drag buddhism in to play whenever they were asked a simple question about islam

that is the only way have, to deal with a fool...........

anyway why u people so scared when any1 talk about Buddhism...???????