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    a 64-bit CPU can calculate individual tasks two times as fast as a 32-bit model and can address significantly more random access memory (RAM) than the 4-gigabyte (GB) limit imposed by 32-bit processors.

    Oh boy. You don't have a clue about what you are talking do you? Let me break it down for ya.

    Let's assume you have 32bit architecture h/w and 1Gb of RAM and running with multiple s/w. Say now system consumes 512mb ram at one point in time. Now,,if you open up a new application that needs more than 512mb ram, the system writes old stuff in ram to a page file (virtual memory), to make room for the new application in the ram. Accessing page file takes more time than directly from ram and ultimately system slows down.

    Ok. How about we apply the same scenario with a 64bit architecture h/w and 1Gb of RAM? And yes. You may run into the same issue. So if someone says speed between 64bit vs 32bit is 40x in a 1gb ram is the greatest lie, unless the system:

    1. Requests more than 4gb ram and system installed with >4gb ram and,

    2. System s/w and application s/w both ported to 64bit or

    3. System s/w and application s/w both communicate with >32bit bandwidth per cpu cycle

    A7 might have other h/w improvements, like increased registers and etc.., but 64bit vs 32bit performance stats are all lies :lol:
     

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    Oh boy. You don't have a clue about what you are talking do you? Let me break it down for ya.

    Let's assume you have 32bit architecture h/w and 1Gb of RAM and running with multiple s/w. Say now system consumes 512mb ram at one point in time. Now,,if you open up a new application that needs more than 512mb ram, the system writes old stuff in ram to a page file (virtual memory), to make room for the new application in the ram. Accessing page file takes more time than directly from ram and ultimately system slows down.

    Ok. How about we apply the same scenario with a 64bit architecture h/w and 1Gb of RAM? And yes. You may run into the same issue. So if someone says speed between 64bit vs 32bit is 40x in a 1gb ram is the greatest lie, unless the system:

    1. Requests more than 4gb ram and system installed with >4gb ram and,

    2. System s/w and application s/w both ported to 64bit or

    3. System s/w and application s/w both communicate with >32bit bandwidth per cpu cycle

    A7 might have other h/w improvements, like increased registers and etc.., but 64bit vs 32bit performance stats are all lies :lol:

    Hey bud,
    What kind of mobile os takes 512mb ram? and what mobille apps?
    even aftere ffects cs5 takes only 300mb of ram when running:rofl::rofl:
    plus who told ya that the 5s comes with a 1gb ram
     

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    Hey bud,
    What kind of mobile os takes 512mb ram? and what mobille apps?
    even aftere ffects cs5 takes only 300mb of ram when running:rofl::rofl:
    plus who told ya that the 5s comes with a 1gb ram

    How about when you open up couple of apps and services in the background processes? Don't know about apple but we (android people) download, listen to music while texting and browsing using wifi. And we could switch to our gmail whenever a new mail is arrived while playing Temple run and return to game without a glitch. So to afford those functionality the os needs much more ram than you think. And no matter either 5s comes with 1gig or 4gig ram, your current s/w will only use 32bit ISA, no matter your cpu can handle 64bit or 256bit. To get the "40x" speed, all app developers may have to port 32bit native code from scratch and its gonna take a lot of time.
     

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    Performance wenasata hethuwa 32bit indan 64bit walata giyapu eka nemei. U kiwwa kathawwa hari. 64bit processor ekak 32bit ekakata wada useful wenne ram eka 4gb walata wada wadiyen thienawanam witharai.

    lol kauda ban eee gon kathawa kiwwe? umba PC wala thiyena ewa mobile 4ns walata apply karanna hadanna epa..ha haa
     

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    How about when you open up couple of apps and services in the background processes? Don't know about apple but we (android people) download, listen to music while texting and browsing using wifi. And we could switch to our gmail whenever a new mail is arrived while playing Temple run and return to game without a glitch. So to afford those functionality the os needs much more ram than you think. And no matter either 5s comes with 1gig or 4gig ram, your current s/w will only use 32bit ISA, no matter your cpu can handle 64bit or 256bit. To get the "40x" speed, all app developers may have to port 32bit native code from scratch and its gonna take a lot of time.



    LOL boru kiyanna epa ban....oya okkoma android 4n ekaka run kaloth godak lag wenawa...i mean game ekak gaha gaha iddi call ekak awama lag wena tikama athi ban...apple wala ehema lag ekak umba dakala thiyenawada?

    mage 4S eka gaththa gaman man kale games and other apps 50k run kala 4n eke....karala apps change karaddi podi lag ekak wath na lassanata change wenawa...smooth .dan unath karala pennannam...android nam katha karanna epa...kochchara wada kali thibbath smooth nam na....eka umba piliganne naththam karanna deyak na.....4S eka ram eka 512mb...hithaganin OS + hardware lassanata match karala dana nisai ehema wenne...
     

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    How about when you open up couple of apps and services in the background processes? Don't know about apple but we (android people) download, listen to music while texting and browsing using wifi. And we could switch to our gmail whenever a new mail is arrived while playing Temple run and return to game without a glitch. So to afford those functionality the os needs much more ram than you think. And no matter either 5s comes with 1gig or 4gig ram, your current s/w will only use 32bit ISA, no matter your cpu can handle 64bit or 256bit. To get the "40x" speed, all app developers may have to port 32bit native code from scratch and its gonna take a lot of time.

    Oh! ios 7 supports 64bit.
    what makes you so sure that 64bit versions of current apps won't come to the appstore?

    download, listen to music while texting and browsing using wifi. And we could switch to our gmail whenever a new mail is arrived while playing Temple run and return to game without a glitch
    does it take more than 1Gb of ram to do this?

    please find a iphone 5 (not 5s) and play some games on it and use it for browsing with wifi and feel the difference :yes::yes:
    android people compred S4 with the iphone 5
    the funny thing is they tell "designed for humans" but hardly fits to the pocket:rofl::rofl:
    now 5s performance = iphone 5 performance x 40
    so what now ????
     

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    Oh! ios 7 supports 64bit.
    what makes you so sure that 64bit versions of current apps won't come to the appstore?


    does it take more than 1Gb of ram to do this?

    please find a iphone 5 (not 5s) and play some games on it and use it for browsing with wifi and feel the difference :yes::yes:
    android people compred S4 with the iphone 5
    the funny thing is they tell "designed for humans" but hardly fits to the pocket:rofl::rofl:
    now 5s performance = iphone 5 performance x 40
    so what now ????

    sirawata ban....ane manda...ape ayyalata thoranak wage kali bali wadi karala dunnama eka thama hodama eka.. S3 ekath ekka mage 4S eka cmpr karamath S3 eka lag godak.... (1GB ram vs 512mb ram) ha ha haa....wena mona kathada?

    ram eka 10GB thibbath wadak na ona wade hariyata wenne naththam
     
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    LOL boru kiyanna epa ban....oya okkoma android 4n ekaka run kaloth godak lag wenawa...i mean game ekak gaha gaha iddi call ekak awama lag wena tikama athi ban...apple wala ehema lag ekak umba dakala thiyenawada?

    mage 4S eka gaththa gaman man kale games and other apps 50k run kala 4n eke....karala apps change karaddi podi lag ekak wath na lassanata change wenawa...smooth .dan unath karala pennannam...android nam katha karanna epa...kochchara wada kali thibbath smooth nam na....eka umba piliganne naththam karanna deyak na.....4S eka ram eka 512mb...hithaganin OS + hardware lassanata match karala dana nisai ehema wenne...

    sirawata ban....ane manda...ape ayyalata thoranak wage kali bali wadi karala dunnama eka thama hodama eka.. S3 ekath ekka mage 4S eka cmpr karamath S3 eka lag godak.... (1GB ram vs 512mb ram) ha ha haa....wena mona kathada?

    ram eka 10GB thibbath wadak na ona wade hariyata wenne naththam



    meke inna samaharak ewun kaakka sudui qwoth suduma thamai
    unta owa kiyala wedak ne
    uba ube wedak balaganin ban :yes::D
     

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    LOL boru kiyanna epa ban....oya okkoma android 4n ekaka run kaloth godak lag wenawa...i mean game ekak gaha gaha iddi call ekak awama lag wena tikama athi ban...apple wala ehema lag ekak umba dakala thiyenawada?

    mage 4S eka gaththa gaman man kale games and other apps 50k run kala 4n eke....karala apps change karaddi podi lag ekak wath na lassanata change wenawa...smooth .dan unath karala pennannam...android nam katha karanna epa...kochchara wada kali thibbath smooth nam na....eka umba piliganne naththam karanna deyak na.....4S eka ram eka 512mb...hithaganin OS + hardware lassanata match karala dana nisai ehema wenne...

    Umba weradiyata thruma aran thiyenne. Oya lag issues 90% thiyenne chinese thuttu 2k android phone wala. Anika man kiwwe phone ekakata 1gig ram madi wenna puluwan kiyala. kisima thenaka Android vs Apple ekak kiwwe ne. Man kiwwe 64bit over 32bit kiyanne "40x" performance improvement ekak newei kiyala.

    Mage nexus jelly bean update eke thibuna apps bara gaanak load karala. Mage den thiyenne xperia ekak. Oya 2ma umba kiyana lags nam ne.
     

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    sirawata ban....ane manda...ape ayyalata thoranak wage kali bali wadi karala dunnama eka thama hodama eka.. S3 ekath ekka mage 4S eka cmpr karamath S3 eka lag godak.... (1GB ram vs 512mb ram) ha ha haa....wena mona kathada?

    ram eka 10GB thibbath wadak na ona wade hariyata wenne naththam
    munta kiyala therum karanna ba bn.karala ma pennanna wenawa mokada godak un android witharai use krala thiyanne.

    hoda hardware thiyana android phone ekak awagamanma hamoma eka compare karanne iphone ekath ekka:rofl::rofl::rofl:
    ehema karala kiyana wa araka wadiyi meka wadiyi kiyala habai performance na.
     

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    Oh! ios 7 supports 64bit.
    what makes you so sure that 64bit versions of current apps won't come to the appstore?


    does it take more than 1Gb of ram to do this?

    please find a iphone 5 (not 5s) and play some games on it and use it for browsing with wifi and feel the difference :yes::yes:
    android people compred S4 with the iphone 5
    the funny thing is they tell "designed for humans" but hardly fits to the pocket:rofl::rofl:
    now 5s performance = iphone 5 performance x 40
    so what now ????

    Dude why are you changing topics? All I'm talking about was the 32bit vs 64bit difference :baffled: I have never said 64bit apps will never come, all I said was, it will never straight work out of the box as advertised.
    About the ram thing, when you leave an app, it won't exit as you would've expected. If will still be in the background, if the sys run out of memory only then it will deallocate memory. Once the app quit, more time will be needed for restarting it than pulling app from background. So most OSs do this to save time. More memory you have, more apps will be able to reside in the main memory, thus resulting much more smoother performance.

    And please don't ask me to use an apple, cuz I already owned one of those "mighty" 3gss. :oo:
     
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    Apple Announces A7 09-14-2013 02:52 PM uba kohomada kiyanne 64 bit apps enne ne kiyala

    Paw ane kaatada hodatama ridila :lol:

    Den obathuma use karana 64bit win7 eke kiyannako balanna 64bit and 32bit 3rd party s/w keeyak install karala thiyenawada kiyala :rofl:
     
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    Dude why are you changing topics? All I'm talking about was the 32bit vs 64bit difference :baffled: I have never said 64bit apps will never come, all I said was, it will never straight work out of the box as advertised.
    About the ram thing, when you leave an app, it won't exit as you would've expected. If will still be in the background, if the sys run out of memory only then it will deallocate memory. Once the app quit, more time will be needed for restarting it than pulling app from background. So most OSs do this to save time. More memory you have, more apps will be able to reside in the main memory, thus resulting much more smoother performance.
    I'm not the one chnging topics

    yep :yes: 64bit yanna ona wenne 4gb limit eka paninna :D

    most typical windows guys have a very simple explanation for "32 bit vs 64 bit" topic. Which is "if you need more than 4GB RAM you need 64 bit OS...".

    if you want to learn beyond that level, read these stuff.

    http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l...ffice.12).aspx

    Comparing phones to servers,,,Right. The only reason for 64bit is more memory addressing. Read ur own article.

    a 64-bit CPU can calculate individual tasks two times as fast as a 32-bit model and can address significantly more random access memory (RAM) than the 4-gigabyte (GB) limit imposed by 32-bit processors.

    Oh boy. You don't have a clue about what you are talking do you? Let me break it down for ya.

    Let's assume you have 32bit architecture h/w and 1Gb of RAM and running with multiple s/w. Say now system consumes 512mb ram at one point in time. Now,,if you open up a new application that needs more than 512mb ram, the system writes old stuff in ram to a page file (virtual memory), to make room for the new application in the ram. Accessing page file takes more time than directly from ram and ultimately system slows down.

    Ok. How about we apply the same scenario with a 64bit architecture h/w and 1Gb of RAM? And yes. You may run into the same issue. So if someone says speed between 64bit vs 32bit is 40x in a 1gb ram is the greatest lie, unless the system:

    1. Requests more than 4gb ram and system installed with >4gb ram and,

    2. System s/w and application s/w both ported to 64bit or

    3. System s/w and application s/w both communicate with >32bit bandwidth per cpu cycle

    A7 might have other h/w improvements, like increased registers and etc.., but 64bit vs 32bit performance stats are all lies :lol:

    Hey bud,
    What kind of mobile os takes 512mb ram? and what mobille apps?
    even aftere ffects cs5 takes only 300mb of ram when running:rofl::rofl:
    plus who told ya that the 5s comes with a 1gb ram

    How about when you open up couple of apps :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:and services in the background processes? Don't know about apple but we (android people) download, listen to music while texting and browsing using wifi. And we could switch to our gmail whenever a new mail is arrived while playing Temple run and return to game without a glitch. So to afford those functionality the os needs much more ram than you think. And no matter either 5s comes with 1gig or 4gig ram, your current s/w will only use 32bit ISA, no matter your cpu can handle 64bit or 256bit. To get the "40x" speed, all app developers may have to port 32bit native code from scratch and its gonna take a lot of time.

    Oh! ios 7 supports 64bit.
    what makes you so sure that 64bit versions of current apps won't come to the appstore?


    does it take more than 1Gb of ram to do this?

    please find a iphone 5 (not 5s) and play some games on it and use it for browsing with wifi and feel the difference :yes::yes:
    android people compred S4 with the iphone 5
    the funny thing is they tell "designed for humans" but hardly fits to the pocket:rofl::rofl:
    now 5s performance = iphone 5 performance x 40
    so what now ????

    Dude why are you changing topics? All I'm talking about was the 32bit vs 64bit difference :baffled: I have never said 64bit apps will never come, all I said was, it will never straight work out of the box as advertised.
    About the ram thing, when you leave an app, it won't exit as you would've expected. If will still be in the background, if the sys run out of memory only then it will deallocate memory. Once the app quit, more time will be needed for restarting it than pulling app from background. So most OSs do this to save time. More memory you have, more apps will be able to reside in the main memory, thus resulting much more smoother performance.

    And please don't ask me to use an apple, cuz I already owned one of those "mighty" 3gss. :oo:

    Did I told you that 40x performace increasing comes from 32bit and 64bit difference?
    please use google or watch the keynote to see the reasons for the 40x performace increasing

    Note : 5s comes with 2 processors A7 and M7
    M7 is for handling sensors
    And please don't ask me to use an apple, cuz I already owned one of those "mighty" 3gss. :oo:

    then you should try to compare it with a matching phone not with a s3 or s4 :rofl::rofl::rofl:
     

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    munta kiyala therum karanna ba bn.karala ma pennanna wenawa mokada godak un android witharai use krala thiyanne.

    hoda hardware thiyana android phone ekak awagamanma hamoma eka compare karanne iphone ekath ekka:rofl::rofl::rofl:
    ehema karala kiyana wa araka wadiyi meka wadiyi kiyala habai performance na.

    Apple Announces A7 09-14-2013 02:52 PM uba kohomada kiyanne 64 bit apps enne ne kiyala

    Paw ane kaatada hodatama ridila :lol:

    Den obathuma use karana 64bit win7 eke kiyannako balanna 64bit and 32bit 3rd party s/w keeyak install karala thiyenawada kiyala :rofl:

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    හැබැයි ඉතින් ඔය දෙක පාවිච්චි කරන උන්ටනම් ඉතින් එකකින් එකක් ගලවගන්න බෑ :rolleyes:
    එක තමා කියන්නේ සම්ප්‍රදාය, සංසුන් තිය අපල මොන මාකටින් පාර දැම්මත් ඉතින් ඕව පාවිච්චි කරන උන් ඒවම තමා ගන්නේ...
    ඕකට ජනවහරේ එනවා ෆෝන් පිස්සෝ , එස් 4 එක ගත්තු එක 5 එනකන් බලන් ඉන්නවා අනිකේ ගත්තු එක ඊලග එක එනකන් ඉන්නවා :baffled:
    එච්චරයි උන්ගේ බලා පොරොත්තු කඩන්නේ නැතුව ඉතින් කොම්පැනි ඉතින් දෙනවා පොරොන්දු, මොකද ඉතින් ඕව ටැස්ට් කරන ගැජට් අපි ගාව තියෙනවද, උන් කියන දේ විස්වාස කොරල අපි ගන්නවා :lol:
    poduwe man nam ithin phone ekak thiyan inne call ekak ganna..
    tharaha ganna epa ayubowanda meka mage pudgalika adahasa misak, looka sammathaya nowana bawa karunawen salakanna
     

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    LOL boru kiyanna epa ban....oya okkoma android 4n ekaka run kaloth godak lag wenawa...i mean game ekak gaha gaha iddi call ekak awama lag wena tikama athi ban...apple wala ehema lag ekak umba dakala thiyenawada?

    mage 4S eka gaththa gaman man kale games and other apps 50k run kala 4n eke....karala apps change karaddi podi lag ekak wath na lassanata change wenawa...smooth .dan unath karala pennannam...android nam katha karanna epa...kochchara wada kali thibbath smooth nam na....eka umba piliganne naththam karanna deyak na.....4S eka ram eka 512mb...hithaganin OS + hardware lassanata match karala dana nisai ehema wenne...

    true story machan. even an iphone 4 can run 50 different apps without any lagging. smooth as fuck even after a jailbreak. you can not do that in an android. I owned a galaxy S2 and an Iphone4 at the same time. Don't know about the s3 or s4 but s2 sucked big time compared to iphone4.
     

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    හැබැයි ඉතින් ඔය දෙක පාවිච්චි කරන උන්ටනම් ඉතින් එකකින් එකක් ගලවගන්න බෑ :rolleyes:
    එක තමා කියන්නේ සම්ප්‍රදාය, සංසුන් තිය අපල මොන මාකටින් පාර දැම්මත් ඉතින් ඕව පාවිච්චි කරන උන් ඒවම තමා ගන්නේ...
    ඕකට ජනවහරේ එනවා ෆෝන් පිස්සෝ , එස් 4 එක ගත්තු එක 5 එනකන් බලන් ඉන්නවා අනිකේ ගත්තු එක ඊලග එක එනකන් ඉන්නවා :baffled:
    එච්චරයි උන්ගේ බලා පොරොත්තු කඩන්නේ නැතුව ඉතින් කොම්පැනි ඉතින් දෙනවා පොරොන්දු, මොකද ඉතින් ඕව ටැස්ට් කරන ගැජට් අපි ගාව තියෙනවද, උන් කියන දේ විස්වාස කොරල අපි ගන්නවා :lol:
    poduwe man nam ithin phone ekak thiyan inne call ekak ganna..
    tharaha ganna epa ayubowanda meka mage pudgalika adahasa misak, looka sammathaya nowana bawa karunawen salakanna

    aththa bn :yes::yes:
    eth mama oya 2ma use karala thiyanawa.
    ekai kiyanne.
    wadiya ona na (512ram 1ghz processor) droid ekaka browser eka load wenawata wadiya speed iphone 4 ekaka oka load wenawa.
    games unath ehema thamai.
     

    Truth Hurts

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    මම නම් nexus use කරන්නේ..nokia,LG,motorola වලටත් කැමතියි.මටනම් apple,samsung ෆෝන් හරියන්නේ නැහැ.දැන් හැම එකා අතේම තියෙන්නේ samsung..:baffled: