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Yaarnick said:
Don't know why your God create such evil in this world? Is your God, is good one or bad one? Why can't he create all the humans as the personals like Lord Buddha.. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Simple question

Gods will is to make this place a good one ................ since the Adam & Ave eat the prohibited fruits (disobey to God ) we have this world ...... before that this world is perfect my friend ..... but that tree is the knowledge of Good & evil ........... if they didn't eat it this world would have been a wonderful place ............ but it's human made the mistake .... therefore we inherit the consequence of that particular act ... that is the first ever Bad Kamma which man have ever done ..... ...... second question is a good one .... why he can not create all the humans like Buddha ? that is because God is doesn't want us to be like a Machine instead God gave freedom of Choice ... so if you don't like him you can live your life the way you like ... you can find the anwser the way you want , you can find it through Buddhism or you can worship anything as you wish

to make this more sense i'll ask one simple question from you

Imagine you are having a girl friend ........ think that you compel her to love you ... do you think that love is fruitful? instead of that you can show your love to her and make her fall in love with you ....... (Romantic isn't it) Love can not be force ....you can not force anybody to love you or accept you if you do that what is the meaning of that love? so God gave us the freedom .... freedom to do anything we like ......... but remember everything is not good

I'll give you another wonderful example ... we call our god our father

so there is the parable in the bible i don't think you have heard it (but i came to know there is a similar parable in Buddhism also ) Parable of Prodigal son

So you have your earthly father in this world right ? so your father has a will .... such as give a good education to you, make you a respectable person in the Coutry , make you a good sun .......ect . so that is your fathers will ..... but you can disobey to your father you can get addicted to drugs simply you can leave your father .... finally you will get lost you might have to face lots of problem that is all becuase you didnt listen to your father like that our Heavenly father is a perfect father if you obey to him if you love him from the bottom of your heart nothing will go wrong .... he will give you everything you want he will provide all the things to you ........ so you life will be a good one that's for sure

but you can simply forget abt your father's will you can do some other thing as well like that that's is not the will of God . My dear friend remember there is a Universal Law ... God's law which is 100% good for man kind I'll explain it later so if you do bad things only you will reap the bad result ... if you do good ( Gods will) you will reap good results so nothing wrong with that know? IF you do evil thing you reap bad result .... it is not the Gods will then you are not doing the will of God if you do not do that you will reap the bad result ............. if all of the humans are do the Gods will then there would be no evil thing on earth
 

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Yaarnick said:
Don't know why your God create such evil in this world? Is your God, is good one or bad one? Why can't he create all the humans as the personals like Lord Buddha.. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

The biblical concept of man is just the opposite. Man is presented in the Bible as something created in the image of God. Man has the life force as do other living things, but man also has a component that sets us apart from every other thing on the planet -- both living and nonliving. This component allows man to be creative, and to be able to express that creativity in art, music, and worship of God. It also is what enables man to encounter evil. Evil results from our capacity to choose to reject good. When mankind ate of the forbidden fruit, a uniqueness was activated which enabled us to make choices. The fruit was not an apple, it was "the tree of knowledge of good and evil" (Genesis 2:9). I would not be so presumptuous as to pretend I understand all that this involves. Scientists have been trying to understand the unique characteristics of humans from the time of Adam, and we still do not understand all that makes us human.

In biblical terms, however, it is simply man's capacity to make choices that affect other humans. Deciding whether to pull a weed out of your garden is not a decision that involves good or evil. Deciding whether to pull the trigger of a gun pointed at someone is. Evil involves making choices, and mankind has uniquely been given the capacity to make choices that involve good and evil. How we make these choices is a reflection of what we believe about ourselves and our relationship to everything in the cosmos.
 

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Is there Evidence God Exist ?

Yes. Allah has sent down miracles, revelations and messengers to give clear proofs He exists and more important, what we should do once we come to this realization.

Allah has sent prophets and messengers with many proofs throughout the ages for people to be able to clearly see with their own eyes and to be able to use their own senses the miracles and proofs pointing to the fact, Allah does in fact, exist.

Miracles of prophets and messengers of Allah have come to people through the ages. Moses, peace be upon him, showed many miracles to pharaoh and to the children of Israel. Plagues, locusts, water turning to blood, his stick becoming a snake, the voice in the burning bush and the parting of the Red Sea are clear miracles for the people of Moses time.

Again, Allah sent Jesus, the son of Mary, peace be upon him, with clear miracles for the people of his time. Speaking from the cradle while still a new born infant, creating birds from clay, curing the sick, giving sight to the blind and even bringing a dead man back to life, were all clear signs to the people to know Jesus, peace be upon him, was a messenger of Allah as was Moses before him.

Muhammad, peace be upon him, was the last and final messenger of Allah, and he was sent to all of mankind. Allah sent him with a number of miracles, not the least of which was the Quran. The predictions and prophecies of Muhammad, peace be upon him, have come true even in this century and the Quran has been used to convince even scientists of the existence of Allah.
[Please visit "Science Proves Allah": Watch video of famous scientists admit Quran is from Allah and even accept Islam]

The Quran is the best of proofs for the existence of Allah and today over one and half billion people memorize and recite from the exact text, in the exact same language it was revealed in; Arabic. More than 10 million Muslims have completely memorized the entire Quran from cover to cover, and can recite it from memory without looking at it.

No one sees or hears Allah, not even the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. Nor are we able to use our senses to make some kind of contact with Him. However, we are encouraged in Islam to use our senses and our common sense to recognize this entire universe could not possibly come into existence on its own. Something had to design it all and then put it into motion. This is beyond our ability to do, yet it is something we can understand.

We know from the teachings of Muhammad, peace be upon him, the proofs for the existence of God (Allah) are most obvious to us in our everyday surroundings. Anyone with understanding would quickly acknowledge His existence provided they are not so stubborn as to ignore the obvious evidences right in front of us.

We don't have to see an artist to recognize a painting, correct? So, if we see paintings without seeing artists painting them, in the same way, we can believe Allah created everything without having to see Him (or touch, or hear, etc.).
 

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What is the Origin of God?

Both the Bible and the Quran tell us God has always existed and there never was a time He did not exit. As such, He is the Eternal, without beginning and without end. He is the only creator and sustainer of all that exists and nothing and no one exists alongside Him, nor does He have any partners. He tells us, He is not created, nor is He like His creation in anyway. He calls Himself by a number of names and three of them are:

The First - (Al-Awal)
The Last - (Al Akhir)
The Eternal and the One who is sought after by His creation, while He has no need from them at all. (As-Samad)
He is not a man and He has no progeny or offspring.
He is not what He creates nor is He compared to it.

He always has existed and He never was created, as He is not like His creation, nor similar to it, in any way.

The prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, explained the devil would come to a person and ask them questions about creation; "Who created this or that?" to which the reply would be; "Allah" until he would ask; "Who created Allah?" At this stage the prophet advised us to drop this train of thought. Obviously, God - the real God, must be eternal and not have to be created.

The Quran tells us:
Allah! La ilaha illa Huwa (There is no god to worship except Him), the Ever Living, the Sustainer and Protector of all that exists. He doesn't get tired and He doesn't sleep. Everything in the universe belongs to Him. Who then, could intercede between Him and his creatures without His Permission? He Knows everything about them and they have no knowledge except as He wills. His kursi (stool or chair) extends over the entire universe and He doesn't get tired of guarding and preserving it. He is Most High, the Most Great.

[This Verse is called Ayat-ul-Kursi.] [Holy Quran 2:255]


This verse truly presents the comprehensive representation of God in a way without trying to define Him by comparing Him to His creation, but rather as being the Absolute in all of His Attributes and Characteristics.
 

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If there is only one God, then why are there so many religions?

All religions originated with Allah and then people began to add or take away from the teachings so as to take control over each other.

This day, those who disbelieved have given up all hope of your religion, so fear them not, but fear Me. This day, I have perfected your religious Way of life for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you to surrender and submit to me in peace as your religious way of life..

[Holy Quran 5:3]


Allah does not force anyone to submit to Him. He has laid out a clear path and then made it known to them the two ways (Heaven or Hell). The person is always free to make his or her own choice.

There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in taghut (false gods and false worship) and believes in Allah, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower.

Allah is the Wali (Protector or Guardian) of those who believe. He brings them out from darkness into light. But as for those who disbelieve, their Auliya (supporters and helpers) are Taghut [false gods and false worship.], they bring them out from light into darkness. Those are the dwellers of the Fire, and they will remain there forever.

[Holy Quran 2:256-257]


There is no compulsion in the way of "Islam." Whoever chooses to worship Allah without partners and is devoted to Him and is obeying His commands as much as possible has grasped the firm handhold that will never break. Whoever denies God and chooses some other way to worship or not to believe at all, for them there is an eternal punishment that is most horrible (Hell).

People began to seperate into different groups due to their rejection of truth and denial of clear proofs becoming evident to them from their Lord.

And the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) differed not amongst themselves until after clear evidence came to them.

And they were not commanded anything more than this; to worship Allah, alone (without making partners with Him in worship) and establish regular devotional prayers and pay the charity due to the poor; and this is the correct Way (way of life and religion).
[Holy Quran 98:4-5]


Allah warns the Muslims not to fall into the same trap as the people before them, by disputing with each other and seperating into different religious groups:

And be not as those who divided and differed among themselves after the clear proofs had come to them. It is they for whom there is an awful torment.

On the Day (i.e. the Day of Resurrection) when some faces will become white and some faces will become black; as for those whose faces will become black (to them will be said): "Did you reject Faith after accepting it? Then taste the torment (in Hell) for rejecting Faith."
[Holy Quran 3:105-106]


People lied about the revelations, changed their scriptures and abused and even murdered the prophets whom Allah sent to them.

And verily, among them is a party who distort the Book with their tongues (as they read), so that you may think it is from the Book, but it is not from the Book, and they say: "This is from Allah," but it is not from Allah; and they speak a lie against Allah while they know it.

It is not (possible) for any human being to whom Allah has given the Book and Al-Hukma (the knowledge and understanding of the laws of religion, etc.) and Prophethood to say to the people: "Be my worshippers rather than Allah's." On the contrary (he would say): "Be you Rabbaniyun (learned men of religion who practice what they know and also preach others), because you are teaching the Book, and you are studying it."
[Holy Quran 3:78-79]


Prophets of Allah only ask people to worship Allah, as One God without partners. They would never ask people to worship them or anyone or anything else. Allah tells us in the Quran:

Nor would he (a messenger of Allah) order you to take angels and Prophets for lords (gods). Would he order you to disbelieve after you have submitted to Allah's Will?

[Holy Quran 3:80]


Man made religions are an abomination before the Lord and will never be accepted.

Do they seek other than the regious way of life of Allah (the true Islamic Monotheism worshipping none but Allah Alone), while to Him submitted all creatures in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly. And to Him shall they all be returned.
[Holy Quran 3:83]


Allah will only accept true submission, obedience and in purity and peace to His commandments.

And whoever seeks a Way of life other than submission and surrender to Allah's Will (Islam), it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.

[Holy Quran 3:85]


To believe in Allah and follow His Commandments has been the message of all prophets of monotheism.
 

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Can we prove Quran is from God ?

Muslims have something that offers the clearest proof of all - The Holy Quran. There is no other book like it anywhere on earth. It is absolutely perfect in the Arabic language. It has no mistakes in grammar, meanings or context. The scientific evidences are well known around the entire world, even amongst non-Muslim scholars. Predictions in the Quran have come true; and its teachings are clearly for all people, all places and all times.

Surprisingly enough, the Quran itself provides us with the test of authenticity and offers challenges against itself to prove its veracity. Allah tells us in the Quran:

Haven't the unbelievers considered if this was from other than Allah, they would find within it many contradictions?


Another amazing challenge from Allah's Book:

If you are in doubt about it, bring a book like it.


And Allah challenges us with:

Bring ten chapters like it.


And finally:

Bring one chapter like it.


No one has been able to produce a book like it, nor ten chapters like it, nor even one chapter like it. It was memorized by thousands of people during the lifetime of Muhammad, peace be upon him, and then this memorization was passed down from teacher to student for generation after generation, from mouth to ear and from one nation to another. Today every single Muslim has memorized some part of the Quran in the original Arabic language that it was revealed in over 1,400 years ago, even though most of them are not Arabs. There are over nine million (9,000,000) Muslims living on the earth today who have totally memorized the entire Quran, word for word, and can recite the entire Quran, in Arabic just as Muhammad, peace be upon him, did 14 centuries ago.
 

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Is 'Allah' the same god of the Jews and Christians?

Yes. The word in Hebrew came from "El" and in Arabic from "Elh". The word for "god" (note the small 'g' in English) is "Elah". Compare this to "Eloi" and "Eli" in the New Testament.

The word "Allah" is the perfect word to describe the God of Jews and Christians as it does not permit gender nor plural. Therefore, when the word is used as in "Eloihim" or "Allahumma" (these would appear at first to be plural and/or female genders) it becomes clear it is the royal usage such as a king would use in referring to his royal station while make a decree of some type. The king would state, "We decree the following..." and he is actually talking about his royal position rather than plural status.

There is no word in English for the "God" of Israel, the "God" of Jesus. This explains why the spelling remains the same whether speaking of a false "god" or pagan idol and the "God" of Abraham or Moses or Jesus (peace be upon them). Note the use of the capital "g" (G). This is the only way English can present a difference between the two. In the semitic languages it is easy to distinguish the difference between a "god" and "The God" due to the structure of the word itself.

Evidence for this is quite simple. Visit any motel or hotel and remove the Bible located in the drawer next to the bed (placed they courtesy of the Gideon Society). Note inside the first few pages a reference to the translations of the Bible they have made into 27 languages. The second example they give is to the Arabic language of the passage in the New Testament from the Gospel of John 3:16. The verse begins in English; "For God so loved the world.." and in the Arabic translation the word used for "God" is "Allah."

The Arabic Bible beginning with the Book of Genesis uses the word "Allah" to represent "The God" of Creation; Adam and Eve; Noah; Abraham; Ishmael and Isaac and Israel. Page one of Genesis has the word "Allah" 17 times.

Islam & Christian ( We are brothers )
 

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Some other religions teach "God is everywhere." This is actually called "pantheism" and it is the opposite of our belief system in Islam. Allah tells us clearly there is nothing, anywhere in the universe like Him similar to his likeness, nor is He ever in His creation.

He tells us in the Quran He created the universe in six "yawm" (periods of time) and then He "astawah 'ala al Arsh" (rose up, above His Throne). He is there (above His Throne) and will remain there until the End Times.

Allah has such complete Knowledge as to be able to Know all things past, present and future in all places at exactly the same time. The same can be said for His absolute Hearing and Seeing. In this way, His Knowledge, His Hearing, His Sight is everywhere simultaneously.

In this regard, the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, told us He is as close to us as our jugular vein. He also explained Allah is "with us" when we are in sincere worship to Him and in times of need. Naturally, this would not compromise His existence outside of His creation.
 

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Did God create evil?

The Bible consistently explains evil as rebellion against God and His way of selfless, outflowing love for others-His way of giving. Evil is self-absorbed and uncaring of others, the way of getting and taking.

God's way of life is expressed in His law of love, and evil is the violation of that law. Thus evil is synonymous with sin (1 John 3:4), which is contrary to God. Any calamity that He allows or brings is actually done out of love.

But, some might argue, isn't all evil God's fault? The reasoning goes like this: Since God created everything, and evil exists, then God must be the author of evil.

Yet the Bible paints a picture in which God, in the beginning, created perfect surroundings for the first man and woman to live in. "Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good" (Genesis 1:31, emphasis added throughout). That included man. How, then, did evil come into the picture?

The story tells us that a cunning "serpent" introduced evil into God's perfect creation. But Genesis 3:1 seems to say that God created the serpent, too, so that doesn't really answer the question. Maybe there is some force equal to or greater than God that is beyond His control. Or maybe God isn't good after all.

There is a better answer, a biblical one. We have seen that God made everything good, without the presence of evil. Yet, in doing so, He created man with moral freedom-with the ability to choose between good and evil. God did not create evil. He created us with free will. That is the framework for the existence of evil.
 

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    kalyanamithra said:
    I am making this another thread;
    http://www.elakiri.com/forum/showthread.php?t=96999
    please tolerate it creating a re-post...

    Theruwan saranai


    Pinwath mithurani,

    I will present what explained in Dhamma as "arya dhamma" and "sathpurisa dhamma"... :)

    A person becomes an Arya Shrawaka (a True follower of Buddha) when he/she comes to Akarawathi Shraddha. Such a person has both "arya" and "sathpurisa" views; he/she is competent in both "arya" and "sathpurisa" Dhamma; he/she is discipliened in both "arya" and "sathpurusha" Dhamma...

    "Arya Dhamma" is that takes people towards Nibbana; helps them end the samsaraic existence...
    It is Dhamma which contains the "37 Bodhi Parshvika Dharma"

    "Sathpurisa Dhamma" are the good norms accepted by beings with higher mentality (like humans).
    E.g. not killing animals (although people kill animals, many have the notion that it's not good...)
    These norms are commonly accepted in all religions in the civilized world...

    But it is Arya Dhamma that leads to the Core of Buddhism...
    Only Buddhists follow "Arya Dhamma"...

    I invite all to examine Dhamma in depth before trying to compare or contrast with other religions...
    There is little (or no) sense of comparing religions publicly... it hurts many to please a few...

    Personally I think we should talk about religions to help others practice it; not to show off what we know...


    Theruwan saranai!


    FUUUUCK !!!!! :shocked:

    Hat's off man ! NICE !

    I really like the way you reply and your depth of knowledge.

    You are truly someone which "I" learn from, every time I read one of your posts or threads.

    But given the fact of me being a Christian my self, I never went on such lengths to compare the two religions.

    All I said and says to anyone who comes with such an argument would be... "Buddhism is 2500 + years old and Christianity is just 2008 years old" so you are trying to compare a something of two different times. That's not something FAIR to do.

    So leave it as it is.. you follow your own faith, I follow mine.

    At the end, we are just Humans of flesh and blood, regardless of what race or religion we belong into too, so my religion is Human Humility !

    Not Budhha, Not Jesus or Allah !
     

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    @ Y2K..

    So What Do u expect from back stabbing other religions??

    Cummon bro.. i can just prove that the bible is a fake and double stab u baq right into your face.. but i dont wanna argue with a idiot who just copy paste's stuff ...

    Anyway

    Conclusion.. you are not smart enough to argue these stuff bro..

     

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    Free moral choice

    But, since God is good, why didn't He create man unalterably good? He could have made us without the ability to choose. But that would have defeated His reason for creating us in the first place. God made us with free moral choice so we could develop His attributes of character, becoming like Him and having a relationship with Him.

    God's overall plan was to create something special. His long-term purpose was to create additional members of His divine family, of which the Genesis creation was only the first step. To eventually achieve this creation, the development of divine character was essential to His plan. Hence the need to create human beings as free moral agents.

    His choice, then, was to create beings with freedom. Without freedom they would never sin. But without freedom they would never have the opportunity to choose their own future; they could not have imagination, and they could not love others or appreciate love when it was shown toward them.

    The highest of God's creation would then be as robots, which do not choose right or wrong, love or hate. God created us with the ability to choose love, hate or any feeling or attitude in between. It is only with free choice that we can attain to the love that God Himself possesses, the most important of all divine character traits. God is love!

    When God created man, He began the process of bringing forth children in His image (Genesis 1:26; compare 5:1-3). We cannot force our own children to love us or do what is right. We can teach them these virtues and hope they will choose to follow them in spite of the negative evil influences they encounter. We can also enjoy a trusting and close relationship with our children, and we want that to continue long after they are grown.

    When God embarked on His ambitious plan to create children for Himself who would have to choose to return His love, He also knew the risks. He was aware that they could choose an alternative way of life. He knew that there was a choice that existed between good and evil.

    Yet man was not the first created entity to whom God gave such a choice.

    When only God (the Father and the Word, John 1:1) existed, there was no evil. Yet long before the time of Adam and even before God created the heavens and earth, God created millions of spirit beings with free moral choice-the angels. His intention was to produce beings who would accept His way and live like Him forever.

    But one of the most powerful spirit beings would disappoint Him.
     

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    y2k...................... oya kiyanne daviyan wahansa lokaya mawwa kiyana agamak apita piliganna kiyalada...................... [oh........ohh its very funny].......... oya me thered aka hraha etukaraganna aramuna apita hodata pahadili......... [we know what you are trying to do] ............... eth machan ube uthsahaya asarthakai...... budu dahamata laginwath....... wena kisedu dahamakata lan wenna be...... aka api awabodayen yuthuwa pahadili karagena awasan............... tharuwan saranai....
     

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    TΞΞNSTAR™ said:
    @ Y2K..

    So What Do u expect from back stabbing other religions??

    Cummon bro.. i can just prove that the bible is a fake and double stab u baq right into your face.. but i dont wanna argue with a idiot who just copy paste's stuff ...

    Anyway

    Conclusion.. you are not smart enough to argue these stuff bro..



    Thank you for your comments
     

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    Y2K said:
    Did God create evil?

    The Bible consistently explains evil as rebellion against God and His way of selfless, outflowing love for others-His way of giving. Evil is self-absorbed and uncaring of others, the way of getting a

    Yadi yadi ya..

    So let's assume that you WIN this whole thing.

    That you PROVE Buddhism and Christianity is the SAME !

    THEN WHAT ?

    What you going to do after that ?... nominate your self for a Nobel Price ?

    Henry the IV (or VII) said to the Protestant "Martin Luther"... Either the Religion is wrong or it's just you are wrong. ! So, I would take the side of religion which was correct for 1000 years over you !

    Dude, knock it off !

    Don't start a fight which has no ending !
     

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    Nash_Node said:
    Yadi yadi ya..

    So let's assume that you WIN this whole thing.

    That you PROVE Buddhism and Christianity is the SAME !

    THEN WHAT ?

    What you going to do after that ?... nominate your self for a Nobel Price ?

    Henry the IV (or VII) said to the Protestant "Martin Luther"... Either the Religion is wrong or it's just you are wrong. ! So, I would take the side of religion which was correct for 1000 years over you !

    Dude, knock it off !


    Don't start a fight which has no ending !


    @ N_N

    Well Said Bro.. he doesnt have any idea what he is saying.. just copy pasting these stuff..
     

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    y2k...................... oya kiyanne daviyan wahansa lokaya mawwa kiyana agamak apita piliganna kiyalada...................... [oh........ohh its very funny].......... oya me thered aka hraha etukaraganna aramuna apita hodata pahadili......... [we know what you are trying to do] ............... eth machan ube uthsahaya asarthakai...... budu dahamata laginwath....... wena kisedu dahamakata lan wenna be...... aka api awabodayen yuthuwa pahadili karagena awasan............... tharuwan saranai....


    Ha ha Eka athha machan mage aramuna "We all brothers " kiyala kiyanna missak Asirimath Budu Dhahamata abiyoga karanna nemai machan


    OK