Christianity growing fast in Mongolia

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Christianity growing fast in Mongolia

Missionaries convert thousands while Buddhists fear losing traditional culture
Michael Kohn, Chronicle Foreign Service


(09-18) 04:00 PDT Ulan Bator, Mongolia -- Mitch Tillman is an unlikely savior. Six years ago, the Baptist missionary languished in an Alabama jail, facing a prison sentence on drug charges. Today he builds hospitals, feeds street children and saves souls in Mongolia


For Christian missionaries like Tillman, Mongolia is the new El Dorado. Since communist rule ended in 1990, some 60,000 Mongolians have turned to Christianity, according to records kept by Mormons, Seventh-day Adventists, other Protestant churches and Catholics.
"A lot of my friends were becoming Christian, so I decided to learn something about the faith," said L. Chimgee, 18, a student at Ulan Bator's Technical University. "I went on a weekend retreat to a Christian camp in the countryside. It was a lot of fun and I felt a real sense of community. So I joined the church."
Tillman, who was acquitted of cocaine possession in 2002, believes prayers secured his freedom. Once out of jail, the Chattanooga native sold his auto body business and moved to Mongolia where his father, a Baptist pastor, had established a mission.
"As Mongolia enters a new era of freedom and democracy, people are looking for something different," said Tillman, a 53-year-old father of six, whose family includes three adopted Mongolian children. "They are looking for hope and a better life for their children. I think that Christ will give them that."
Monks alarmed
But the campaign to convert Mongolians has set off alarm bells in the ancient hallways of Gandan Monastery, the nation's largest Buddhist complex with 800 monks. Senior monk Khunhur Byambajav says he is concerned that fewer Mongolians are coming to his monastery.
"It's a problem of money. (Christian) missionaries have money to build schools and educate young people. They entice them by various means," said Byambajav, referring to gifts offered by churches such as food, clothing and scholarships to study abroad. "We cannot financially compete, but we have to try, otherwise we won't have enough young people becoming Buddhist."
Tillman's Harbor Evangelism International, for example, operates two hospitals, an orphanage, a soup kitchen and an alcohol recovery program in a country where alcoholism is rampant even among some Buddhist monks, some observers say.
"Our Mongolian Buddhist monasteries are weak," said L. Odonchimed, a former member of parliament. "They get money from people but don't give much back. Missionaries give things away for free and help people - that is what a religious organization should do."
Unregistered groups
Byambajav says he is most concerned about unregistered Christian groups, which he says indoctrinate children, convince Buddhists to burn religious articles and even destroy stupas (a mound-like structure that symbolizes enlightenment). "There is no control over these groups and no one is paying attention to what they are doing."
In a nation that separates church and state like the United States, Byambajav has asked the government to make Buddhism the state religion. He argues that the nation needs a law giving monks state funds and allowing the teaching of Buddhism in public schools.
"We sent a letter to the government to change the law on religion, but foreign religious organizations are very strong and wealthy," said Byambajav. "They influence the decisions of politicians because they give them money. So it puts us at a disadvantage."
Back to Buddhism
Odonchimed, the former legislator, agrees that many Mongolians are attracted by the services offered by church groups. But he predicts they will be eventually ignored as the nation's economy develops.
"As time passes, people will have less need for these missionaries and they will be forgotten," he said. "Most people will turn back to Buddhism."
In the meantime, the Federation for the Preservation of the Mahayana Tradition, an Oregon-based nonprofit Buddhist organization, is using a Western approach to win converts. The group has opened schools in monasteries and at its center in Ulan Bator.
"Mongolian religion needs to adapt to modern times," said Ueli Minder, the Swiss head of the federation. "Young Mongolians have little knowledge of Buddhism because the monasteries don't teach the faith to laypeople. It's our goal to help people understand the roots of the culture and the religion."
Western methods
Byambajav says Gandan monastery is also using Western methods, including a radio program, and plans to open several private schools and launch a television station.
Minder, however, concedes that Buddhist monks are facing a daunting challenge when going up against Christian missionaries: proselytizing is an alien concept for most of them.
"It should not become a missionary religion, but we need to have a strategy to overcome the negative propaganda of the past and the propaganda of missionary work," said Minder. "The lamas (Tibetan/Mongolian monks) need to learn to defend their beliefs ... regain the people's confidence."
Christianity in Buddhist Mongolia
Until religion was banned in 1921 by a Communist regime, most Mongolians followed Tibetan Buddhism. New freedom following the collapse of communism in 1990 legalized Buddhism and reopened monasteries. But it also opened the gates to outside faiths.
Currently, 50 percent of Mongolians are Tibetan Buddhists, 6 percent are Shamanist and Christians and 4 percent are Muslims. About 40 percent say they practice no religion, according to CIA data.
The challenge to keep the Buddhist faithful from converting to Christianity is hampered by language. Monks chant in Tibetan, which most Mongolians do not understand. Christian sermons and bibles are given and written in Mongolian.
According to records kept by church groups operating in Mongolia, there are 60,000 Christians - a 20 percent increase over the past eight years. The government keeps no statistics on religious affiliation.
In the capital, Ulan Bator, where half the nation's Christians reside, according to a U.S. State Department report, churches are located in prominent neighborhoods, including a five-story Mormon tabernacle situated next to the city's most luxurious hotel. Residents can also watch Christian programs via Eagle TV, a satellite channel funded by American Protestants.
U.S.-style revivals are also common, including charismatic pastors giving fiery sermons to packed halls. These services include rock music, flashing neon lights and high-tech videos beamed across large screens. Clear plastic boxes overflow with donations and teens can sign up to participate in rural "Jesus Camps."
"It's a release from the status quo," said American Baptist minister Mitch Tillman. "For so many years they were under Buddhism and then they were oppressed by communism. They want something new and they find it in Jesus Christ."
 

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I think the same thing will happen in Iraq.

US backed govt was almost sponsored by us multinational corporations and evangelist groups...

the Iraqis have practiced the Islam for the centuries...But internal conflicts among the shites and sunnis and kurds and iraqis made the situation worst....

The modern Iraqi tradition is closely relatives with the islamic teachings. And the Arab nationalism made the iraq a most powerful country in past....

but now....?
 

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uhox said:
I think the same thing will happen in Iraq.

US backed govt was almost sponsored by us multinational corporations and evangelist groups...

the Iraqis have practiced the Islam for the centuries...But internal conflicts among the shites and sunnis and kurds and iraqis made the situation worst....

The modern Iraqi tradition is closely relatives with the islamic teachings. And the Arab nationalism made the iraq a most powerful country in past....

but now....?

A'ka nam Aththa bro...:yes::yes:
 

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uhox said:
I think the same thing will happen in Iraq.

US backed govt was almost sponsored by us multinational corporations and evangelist groups...

the Iraqis have practiced the Islam for the centuries...But internal conflicts among the shites and sunnis and kurds and iraqis made the situation worst....

The modern Iraqi tradition is closely relatives with the islamic teachings. And the Arab nationalism made the iraq a most powerful country in past....

but now....?

Ahemm ow ow.. yana paatath hari ney ...
 

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TΞΞNSTAR™ said:

Ahemm ow ow.. yana paatath hari ney ...
Hmm A'kanam Aththa thamai UHOX Bro Kiwwa Wage US backed govt Eka karana dey Peynawaney dan..:yes:
 
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gazaly said:
A'ka nam Aththa bro...:yes::yes:


indeed brother Gazaly...

the USA intentions for the Iraq were purely "predator concepts", which targated to

1- profit the Iraq petrolium resources

2- make a pro- American regime MIDDLE in the heart of Arab region

3- save the Israel

4- Destroy the "BAthist" political movement, which was based upon the elements of
a) anti colonialism
b) pan-Arabism
c) anti-extremism (including the islamic extemism, whatever it is sunni or shite/ sionism etc)

best regards
 

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Christianity growing fast in Mongolia

Missionaries convert thousands while Buddhists fear losing traditional culture
Michael Kohn, Chronicle Foreign Service


(09-18) 04:00 PDT Ulan Bator, Mongolia -- Mitch Tillman is an unlikely savior. Six years ago, the Baptist missionary languished in an Alabama jail, facing a prison sentence on drug charges. Today he builds hospitals, feeds street children and saves souls in Mongolia


For Christian missionaries like Tillman, Mongolia is the new El Dorado. Since communist rule ended in 1990, some 60,000 Mongolians have turned to Christianity, according to records kept by Mormons, Seventh-day Adventists, other Protestant churches and Catholics.
"A lot of my friends were becoming Christian, so I decided to learn something about the faith," said L. Chimgee, 18, a student at Ulan Bator's Technical University. "I went on a weekend retreat to a Christian camp in the countryside. It was a lot of fun and I felt a real sense of community. So I joined the church."
Tillman, who was acquitted of cocaine possession in 2002, believes prayers secured his freedom. Once out of jail, the Chattanooga native sold his auto body business and moved to Mongolia where his father, a Baptist pastor, had established a mission.
"As Mongolia enters a new era of freedom and democracy, people are looking for something different," said Tillman, a 53-year-old father of six, whose family includes three adopted Mongolian children. "They are looking for hope and a better life for their children. I think that Christ will give them that."
Monks alarmed
But the campaign to convert Mongolians has set off alarm bells in the ancient hallways of Gandan Monastery, the nation's largest Buddhist complex with 800 monks. Senior monk Khunhur Byambajav says he is concerned that fewer Mongolians are coming to his monastery.
"It's a problem of money. (Christian) missionaries have money to build schools and educate young people. They entice them by various means," said Byambajav, referring to gifts offered by churches such as food, clothing and scholarships to study abroad. "We cannot financially compete, but we have to try, otherwise we won't have enough young people becoming Buddhist."
Tillman's Harbor Evangelism International, for example, operates two hospitals, an orphanage, a soup kitchen and an alcohol recovery program in a country where alcoholism is rampant even among some Buddhist monks, some observers say.
"Our Mongolian Buddhist monasteries are weak," said L. Odonchimed, a former member of parliament. "They get money from people but don't give much back. Missionaries give things away for free and help people - that is what a religious organization should do."
Unregistered groups
Byambajav says he is most concerned about unregistered Christian groups, which he says indoctrinate children, convince Buddhists to burn religious articles and even destroy stupas (a mound-like structure that symbolizes enlightenment). "There is no control over these groups and no one is paying attention to what they are doing."
In a nation that separates church and state like the United States, Byambajav has asked the government to make Buddhism the state religion. He argues that the nation needs a law giving monks state funds and allowing the teaching of Buddhism in public schools.
"We sent a letter to the government to change the law on religion, but foreign religious organizations are very strong and wealthy," said Byambajav. "They influence the decisions of politicians because they give them money. So it puts us at a disadvantage."
Back to Buddhism
Odonchimed, the former legislator, agrees that many Mongolians are attracted by the services offered by church groups. But he predicts they will be eventually ignored as the nation's economy develops.
"As time passes, people will have less need for these missionaries and they will be forgotten," he said. "Most people will turn back to Buddhism."
In the meantime, the Federation for the Preservation of the Mahayana Tradition, an Oregon-based nonprofit Buddhist organization, is using a Western approach to win converts. The group has opened schools in monasteries and at its center in Ulan Bator.
"Mongolian religion needs to adapt to modern times," said Ueli Minder, the Swiss head of the federation. "Young Mongolians have little knowledge of Buddhism because the monasteries don't teach the faith to laypeople. It's our goal to help people understand the roots of the culture and the religion."
Western methods
Byambajav says Gandan monastery is also using Western methods, including a radio program, and plans to open several private schools and launch a television station.
Minder, however, concedes that Buddhist monks are facing a daunting challenge when going up against Christian missionaries: proselytizing is an alien concept for most of them.
"It should not become a missionary religion, but we need to have a strategy to overcome the negative propaganda of the past and the propaganda of missionary work," said Minder. "The lamas (Tibetan/Mongolian monks) need to learn to defend their beliefs ... regain the people's confidence."
Christianity in Buddhist Mongolia
Until religion was banned in 1921 by a Communist regime, most Mongolians followed Tibetan Buddhism. New freedom following the collapse of communism in 1990 legalized Buddhism and reopened monasteries. But it also opened the gates to outside faiths.
Currently, 50 percent of Mongolians are Tibetan Buddhists, 6 percent are Shamanist and Christians and 4 percent are Muslims. About 40 percent say they practice no religion, according to CIA data.
The challenge to keep the Buddhist faithful from converting to Christianity is hampered by language. Monks chant in Tibetan, which most Mongolians do not understand. Christian sermons and bibles are given and written in Mongolian.
According to records kept by church groups operating in Mongolia, there are 60,000 Christians - a 20 percent increase over the past eight years. The government keeps no statistics on religious affiliation.
In the capital, Ulan Bator, where half the nation's Christians reside, according to a U.S. State Department report, churches are located in prominent neighborhoods, including a five-story Mormon tabernacle situated next to the city's most luxurious hotel. Residents can also watch Christian programs via Eagle TV, a satellite channel funded by American Protestants.
U.S.-style revivals are also common, including charismatic pastors giving fiery sermons to packed halls. These services include rock music, flashing neon lights and high-tech videos beamed across large screens. Clear plastic boxes overflow with donations and teens can sign up to participate in rural "Jesus Camps."
"It's a release from the status quo," said American Baptist minister Mitch Tillman. "For so many years they were under Buddhism and then they were oppressed by communism. They want something new and they find it in Jesus Christ."
there is nothing wrong about people finding god/converting to another religion

its up to the individual to decide what faith they follow or don't follow

the problem is some groups convert people giving money etc.

now that's wrong


in Sri lanka(a majority buddhist country) things will get heated as more evangelical
groups come to Sri lanka seeking more converts

evangelical minister's like Rick Warren are leading the
evangelical movement & spreading the message of god

in the years to come they will shape the world
 

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uhox said:
indeed brother Gazaly...

the USA intentions for the Iraq were purely "predator concepts", which targated to

1- profit the Iraq petrolium resources

2- make a pro- American regime MIDDLE in the heart of Arab region

3- save the Israel

4- Destroy the "BAthist" political movement, which was based upon the elements of
a) anti colonialism
b) pan-Arabism
c) anti-extremism (including the islamic extemism, whatever it is sunni or shite/ sionism etc)

best regards

America exports America(free market, freedom of religion etc.)

America is the world leader in like everything

Coca Cola, Apple, Starbucks, Pepsi, Microsoft, Pizza Hut, KFC, Domino's Pizza, McDonald's, Caterpillar, Cisco, Hollywood & so much more :rofl:

they are all American
 

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lkdood said:
America exports America(free market, freedom of religion etc.)

America is the world leader in like everything

Coca Cola, Apple, Starbucks, Pepsi, Microsoft, Pizza Hut, KFC, Domino's Pizza, McDonald's, Caterpillar, Cisco, Hollywood & so much more :rofl:

they are all American
America Economy is slowing down but mark my word they will come back

they always come back


America is just 230+ years old