Conventional Truth (Sammuti Sacca) and Ultimate Truth (Paramattha Sacca)

[Y2K]

Conventional Truth (Sammuti Sacca) and Ultimate Truth (Paramattha Sacca)

Two kinds of Truth are recognised in the Abhidhamma according to which only four categories of things namely, mind (consciousness), mental concomitants, Materiality and Nibbæna are classed as the Ultimate Truth; all the rest are regarded as apparent truth. When we use such expressions as ‘I’, ‘you’, ‘man’, ‘woman’, ‘person’, ‘individual’, we are speaking about things which do not exist in reality. By using such expressions about things which exist only in designation, we are not telling a lie; we are merely speaking an apparent truth, making use of conventional language, without which no communication will be possible.

But the Ultimate Truth is that there is no ‘person’, ‘individual’ or ‘I’ in reality. There exist only khandhas made up of corporeality, mind (consciousness) and mental concomitants. These are real in that they are not just designations, they actually exist in us or around us.

 

[kalyanamithra]

Conventional Truth (Sammuti Sacca) and Ultimate Truth (Paramattha Sacca)

Two kinds of Truth are recognised in the Abhidhamma according to which only four categories of things namely, mind (consciousness), mental concomitants, Materiality and Nibbæna are classed as the Ultimate Truth; all the rest are regarded as apparent truth. When we use such expressions as ‘I’, ‘you’, ‘man’, ‘woman’, ‘person’, ‘individual’, we are speaking about things which do not exist in reality. By using such expressions about things which exist only in designation, we are not telling a lie; we are merely speaking an apparent truth, making use of conventional language, without which no communication will be possible.

But the Ultimate Truth is that there is no ‘person’, ‘individual’ or ‘I’ in reality. There exist only khandhas made up of corporeality, mind (consciousness) and mental concomitants. These are real in that they are not just designations, they actually exist in us or around us.

Pinwath mithura,

Meva beda dekvime pahasuvata hadagath deval...
Mulika budu dahama ta aithi ne...

Mokada Dharmaya avabodha kara genimai vedagath... beda venkaramin oya vidihata vimasima neme...

Mevan de gena katha kirimen venna nodanna aya petelimata lak kirima pamanai...
Budu dahama gena mese pala nokarana men gauravayen illa sitinava

Theruwan saranai!

 

[Y2K]

Pinwath mithura,

Meva beda dekvime pahasuvata hadagath deval...
Mulika budu dahama ta aithi ne...

Mokada Dharmaya avabodha kara genimai vedagath... beda venkaramin oya vidihata vimasima neme...

Mevan de gena katha kirimen venna nodanna aya petelimata lak kirima pamanai...
Budu dahama gena mese pala nokarana men gauravayen illa sitinava

Theruwan saranai!

Ha ehemada ................. but meka Abhidharmaye tiyenawa neda ??

 

[kalyanamithra]

Ha ehemada ................. but meka Abhidharmaye tiyenawa neda ??

Pinwathm mithura,

Kenekta Dharmaya ganna puluvan de vidihakata:
1. - igena gena vada karanna
2. - asa, dena gana avabodha karanna

Ma kive oya akaray beda venkirim pasu kalinava vela thiyenawa... Abhidharma pitakayeth e vage vigraha kirim valin yuthui... Eth eva vitharak katha kara kara hityoth vadayata yamak vina vena deyak ahu venne ne...

(mama danne ne oba gena) Eth apa boho dena dharmaya katha karanne ihatha 2 vana aramuna sandaha...

Vada karanna Dharmaya ellima Budurajanan vahnse upama kara thibenava "bhayanaka sarpayaku ge netten allimata"... Eya thiyennne "Alagddupama Sutraye"... Apata eka karanna one ne...

Ekai math obata kive, budu dahama avabodha karanna uvamanavak ethi venakam ein kenekta niyama prayojane ganna be kiyala - eyata Dharma karunu edinenda samaja jeewithe hondin thiya ganna udav vei; eth ita ehata avabodhayak lebenne ne...

Pinwath mithurani,
Alagaddupama Sutraya esuren kala deshanavak methana thiyenava...
http://www.gautamabuddha.ca/bana/sinhala/060_Alagaddupama_Sutta_1.mp3
http://www.gautamabuddha.ca/bana/sinhala/061_Alagaddupama_Sutta_2.mp3

Theruwan saranai!

 

[Y2K]

macahn uba hamuru namak da ........................

 

[homoelectronics]

Pinwath mithura,

Meva beda dekvime pahasuvata hadagath deval...
Mulika budu dahama ta aithi ne...

Mokada Dharmaya avabodha kara genimai vedagath... beda venkaramin oya vidihata vimasima neme...

Mevan de gena katha kirimen venna nodanna aya petelimata lak kirima pamanai...
Budu dahama gena mese pala nokarana men gauravayen illa sitinava

Theruwan saranai!

Mata hitha ganna amarui ai me wage dewal pala karanna epa kiyala kiyanne kiyala. Minisunta petalenawa kiyala nikan hitiyanan budu haamuduruwanta kawadaawath dharma deshanawak karanna wenne ne. Bana ahana hema kenatama eaka awa bodha wenne ne. Ehema kiyala bana nokia hitiyama harida?

Sammuthi sathya ha paramaartha sathya abhidharmaye pahadili kerana dewal. Sowan una kenekge sakkaya-ditti (i.e. mama – mage kiyana hangeema) nethi wenawa. Ea kiyanne paramaartha sathya avabodha wenawa. Ehema kiyala eya sammuthi sathya ahaka daanne ne. Thamange jeevitha kaalaya thula anith ayath ekka weda karanne sammuthi sathayata anuwa. Udaharanayak kiyanawanan Anepindu situthuma honda viapaarikayek (business karapu kenek). Samaaja sammuthiyata sampurnayenma pitu paala kenekuta jeevath wenna be.

Kenekuta therenne ne kiyala katha nokara inna epa. Mewage dewal wedi wediyen katha karanna. Weradi thiyenawanan hada gamu. Pahadili nethi aya wedi visthara ahala pehedili karaganna. Ethakota buddha dharmaya thawath boho denek awabodha karagani.

Honda wedak. Digatama hoyanna. Thawa liyanna.

 

[kalyanamithra]

Mata hitha ganna amarui ai me wage dewal pala karanna epa kiyala kiyanne kiyala. Minisunta petalenawa kiyala nikan hitiyanan budu haamuduruwanta kawadaawath dharma deshanawak karanna wenne ne. Bana ahana hema kenatama eaka awa bodha wenne ne. Ehema kiyala bana nokia hitiyama harida?

Sammuthi sathya ha paramaartha sathya abhidharmaye pahadili kerana dewal. Sowan una kenekge sakkaya-ditti (i.e. mama – mage kiyana hangeema) nethi wenawa. Ea kiyanne paramaartha sathya avabodha wenawa. Ehema kiyala eya sammuthi sathya ahaka daanne ne. Thamange jeevitha kaalaya thula anith ayath ekka weda karanne sammuthi sathayata anuwa. Udaharanayak kiyanawanan Anepindu situthuma honda viapaarikayek (business karapu kenek). Samaaja sammuthiyata sampurnayenma pitu paala kenekuta jeevath wenna be.

Kenekuta therenne ne kiyala katha nokara inna epa. Mewage dewal wedi wediyen katha karanna. Weradi thiyenawanan hada gamu. Pahadili nethi aya wedi visthara ahala pehedili karaganna. Ethakota buddha dharmaya thawath boho denek awabodha karagani.

Honda wedak. Digatama hoyanna. Thawa liyanna.

Pinwath mithura,

Apa den Bauddha poth vala dakina vigraha pasu kalinava ethi vu deval..
Mulika buddha deshanavalata sambandha karanna be...

Buduhamuduruwo kohevath ohoma bedala kiyala ne ne da?

Eva pasu pasa giyoth avabodha karanna neme venne... denumak goda gaha ganna...
Me thiyena thathve di eva katha karanna giyoth thavath petelenava... Ekai kivve...

Nethiva eva prathikshepa kirimak neme ma kale...

Theruwan saranai!

 

[kalyanamithra]

Kenekuta therenne ne kiyala katha nokara inna epa. Mewage dewal wedi wediyen katha karanna. Weradi thiyenawanan hada gamu. Pahadili nethi aya wedi visthara ahala pehedili karaganna. Ethakota buddha dharmaya thawath boho denek awabodha karagani.

Pinwath mithura,

Ma meya ha ekangai
Hebei katha kranna one avabodhayata udav vena deval ne...

Oba kiva vage "Arahat vuna kenekta mama-mage hengima ne; evunata sammuthiya anuva eya pavicchi karanva..."
Hebei eka kiyanna sathyaya 2 ta bedanna oneda... Buddha deshanavala oya vage beda thiyenava kiya mama danne ne... Mata hamu vela ne... (ma kiyana eka veredi nam; ha e bava penva dennava nam obata pin...)

Ma danna vidihata budu dahame kiyanne "Chathurarya Sathyaya" gena; sammuthiya kohomada sathyayak venne? ei ekata sathyayak kiyanna apita one? eka 'sammuthiyak' vithara ne...

Kenek Buddha deshanavala nethi akaraye (eya thiyenava nam mata kiyanna; mama niveredi kara gannam) deval katha karanne anavabodhaya nisa; nethnam denuma nisa ethivu manaya nisa...

Mama nam mage shasthrun wahanse desu de ikmava yanna hithanne ne...

Theruwan saranai!

 

[homoelectronics]

Pinwath mithura,

Apa den Bauddha poth vala dakina vigraha pasu kalinava ethi vu deval..
Mulika buddha deshanavalata sambandha karanna be...

Buduhamuduruwo kohevath ohoma bedala kiyala ne ne da?

Eva pasu pasa giyoth avabodha karanna neme venne... denumak goda gaha ganna...
Me thiyena thathve di eva katha karanna giyoth thavath petelenava... Ekai kivve...

Nethiva eva prathikshepa kirimak neme ma kale...

Theruwan saranai!

Mulika buddha deshanava kiyana eka pahadili karala denawada? Suttra - Vinaya pitaka 2kada ?

Theruwan saranai!

 

[kalyanamithra]

Mulika buddha deshanava kiyana eka pahadili karala denawada? Suttra - Vinaya pitaka 2kada ?

Theruwan saranai!

Pinwath mithura,

Mama hithanne ehemai... (Mama godak danne ne.. )
Vinaya pitakayai;
Suthra Pitakayata ayath: digha nikaya, majjima nikaya, sanyuktha nikaya, anguttara nikaya saha kuddaka nikayata aithi etham grantha...

Mama danne nethi nisa ahanne? Abhidharma pitake oya vidihata beda dakva thiyenawada?

Bohoma pin...
Theruwan saranai!

 

[kalyanamithra]

Pinwath mithura,

Mama hithanne ehemai... (Mama godak danne ne.. )
Vinaya pitakayai;
Suthra Pitakayata ayath: digha nikaya, majjima nikaya, sanyuktha nikaya, anguttara nikaya saha kuddaka nikayata aithi etham grantha...

Mama danne nethi nisa ahanne? Abhidharma pitake oya vidihata beda dakva thiyenawada?

Mata kiyanna thiyenne mechcharai..
Metha bhagaye boho dena Dharmaya igena gaththe avabodha karanan neme...
E aya boho pasukalina bahira poth path valin deval aran thiyenva...
Ekai budu dahame vividha artha kathana ave...
Vasanavakata niyama Buddha deshana ha vinaya (apa Budurajunge evemen sashtruwaraya lesa gatha yuthe Dharmaya ha vinaya ne da? ) thiyenawa...
Ekai vedagath... Avabodha karanna uthsaha gamu...

Bohoma pin...
Theruwan saranai!

Pinwath mithura,

Abhidhamma pitake poth 7 thiyenawa...

Dhammasanganippakarana
Vibhangappakarana
Kathavatthuppakarana
Dhatukathappakarana
Puggalapannatti
Yamakappakarana
PatthanappakaranaHebei

Oya sathya beda dekvima thiyenne evaye neme neda?
Mata therena vidihata (mama veredi venna puluvan) Eya thiyenne abhidhaamma pitakaya gena katha karana bahira grantha vala... ehema neda?

Theruwan saranai!

 

[homoelectronics]

Pinwath mithura,

Mama hithanne ehemai... (Mama godak danne ne.. )
Vinaya pitakayai;
Suthra Pitakayata ayath: digha nikaya, majjima nikaya, sanyuktha nikaya, anguttara nikaya saha kuddaka nikayata aithi etham grantha...

Mama danne nethi nisa ahanne? Abhidharma pitake oya vidihata beda dakva thiyenawada?

Bohoma pin...
Theruwan saranai!

Abhidharma pitakaya mulika budu dahamata aithi ne kiyana 1 bohoma parana waadayak.

Rerukane Chandawimala naayaka haamuduruwange Abhidharamaya gena liya una poth thiyenawa. Samahara vita kiyawala athi. Nethi nan kiyawala beluwoth yamak ea gena denaganna puluwan. (Habai mama haamuduruwo kiyana nisa eaka viswaasa karanawa kiyala hithanna epa). Api hemoma thama igenagannawane. Mamath thama hoyanawa

 

[kalyanamithra]

Abhidharma pitakaya mulika budu dahamata aithi ne kiyana 1 bohoma parana waadayak.

Rerukane Chandawimala naayaka haamuduruwange Abhidharamaya gena liya una poth thiyenawa. Samahara vita kiyawala athi. Nethi nan kiyawala beluwoth yamak ea gena denaganna puluwan. (Habai mama haamuduruwo kiyana nisa eaka viswaasa karanawa kiyala hithanna epa). Api hemoma thama igenagannawane. Mamath thama hoyanawa

Pinwath mithura,

"Abhidharma pitake" oya vidihata sathyaya 2 ta beda dakva ne ne da?

Poth path vala thiyena eva eththatama thripitakaye thiyenawada kiyala th hoya beluvoth hondai neda?

Abhidhamma pitiakaye kuda kotasak methena sinhalinuth thiyenawa...
http://www.mettanet.org/tipitaka/

Kemethi nam e tika kiyava balanna... (mama ekaparak kiyavanna giya.. atharamaga ath hera demma...)

Methena mulu abhidhamma pitakayama ne ne eka thamai apahasu thava... (mama pali danne ne )

Theruwan saranai!

 

[homoelectronics]

http://http://www.palikanon.com/english/wtb/n_r/paramattha.htm

http://www.buddhanet.net/twotruth.htm

http://kr.buddhism.org/~skb/down/papers/094.pdf

Just few references

 

[kalyanamithra]

http://kr.buddhism.org/~skb/down/papers/094.pdf

See its argument... trying to match in vain to the original teachings.. because those two terms (although they are in pali) are not found in Buddha deshana...

These analysis are good for scholars.. to 'research' on Buddhism...
Please also figure out why the title says "Theravada Version of the Two Truths"...
Does not this imply anything else?

A word of caution:
http://kr.buddhism.org/ is a Korean site;
This paper is apparently one published in "Korea Conference of Buddhist Studies 2006" http://kr.buddhism.org/~skb/
I do not know how safe it's to refer to publications like this...

Theruwan saranai!

 

[kalyanamithra]

http://www.buddhanet.net/twotruth.htm

This is probably where pinwath Y2K copied the passage... Buddhanet gets ranked well on Google...

As, I've mentioned before this kind of analysis of Buddhism is widely seen.. so we can find 1000s of hits on the Internet...
What we should do is try to find it in the Tipitaka... (if not found in original deshanas)

Theruwan saranai!

 

[kalyanamithra]

Api hemoma thama igenagannawane. Mamath thama hoyanawa

Pinwath mithura,

I too am a beginner in Dhamma... and I agree with you in this

If we do not see Shraddha developing us: can we safely assume what we've been following to be correct?
Once we have Shraddha should not we verify with the Teachings before accepting things?

As I said before, I am not rejecting Conventional Truth (Sammuti Sacca) and Ultimate Truth (Paramattha Sacca). I am only saying it's futile to discuss what not disclosed by Buddha as Dhamma...

There was another reason why I requested Y2K not to post is... It is his intention of posting the content... That's why I said it's not good to discuss this at this point ('Me thiyena thathve di eva katha karanna giyoth...').

I am answering you only because you seem to be not aware of what I meant...

Theruwan saranai!

 

[kalyanamithra]

http://http://www.palikanon.com/english/wtb/n_r/paramattha.htm

This article [ http://www.palikanon.com/english/wtb/n_r/paramattha.htm ] says
"The term paramattha, in the sense here used, occurs in the first para. of the Kathāvatthu, a work of the Abhidhamma Pitaka (s. Guide, p. 62). (App: vohāra)."
Please let me know if you can find further info... bohoma pin
Anyway as we know Kathavatthuppakaranaya is a collection of points usable for debates...

It also says this...
"In Mahāyana, the Mādhyamika school has given a prominent place to the teaching of the two truths."
...which may justify why Sri Lankans talk about it with enthusiasm...

Theruwan saranai!

 

[kalyanamithra]

Pinwath mithurani,

Thawa tikaka meyata ek karannam...

Hudek "Paramartha" - "Sammuthi" lesa sathyaya beda dekvimakin thorawa, sathwa, pudgala veni sammuthi sahithawa menma evain thorawa Dharmaya vimasimak Sutra pitakaya thula kerenava...

"Paramartha sathyaya" yei kiyamin abhidharma pitakaya ho mahayana matha huwa dekivimak avshya ne... Dharma avabodhayata avashya siyalla sutra ha vinaya pitaka vala adangui...

Thawath veredi mathayak thamai - "Abhidharmaya" kiyanne "Abhidharma pitakaye" thibena de bava... Abhidharmaya kiyanne Sath this bodhi parshvika dharmai... Eyata sambandha de Sutra pitakayeth thiyenawa; Abhidharma pitakayeth thiyenawa...

Seka thiyenawa nam Palamu Dharma Sangayanawedi Sangayana kale mona Dharma kotas da kiya soya balanna.. Ithihasaya piriksa balanna... Ethakota Abhidharma pitakaya thibba da? Ita passe balanna Abhidharma pitakaya hedenna gaththe koi kale da kiyala...

Avasanavakata boho dena abhidharmaya yei vividha beda dekvim huwa dekava avabodhaya sandha kala deshana hela dakvanava... Me nisama thamai Therawadaya Indiyaven nethi vune... Eya lankaweth sehena vela thiyenawa...

Api Dharmaya igena ganne mokatada kiya poddak hitha balanna one... enam avabodha kara genimata da, hudek denumak lesa kiyana eka...

Theruwan saranai!

 

[kalyanamithra]

Pinwath mithura,

Me pinwath kiribathgoda gnanananda swamin whanse kala deshanavak. Mehi unvahase paticcasamuppadaya visthara karana athara sammuthi - paramartha gena th katha karanava...

http://www.gautamabuddha.ca/bana/si...Bhaawana_ Deshanaya_Patichcha_Samuppadaya.mp3

Eka esaddhi mata th hithuana sathyaya beda dekvim gena ma dekvu dedi virodhaya therumak nethi bava... Eka ahalama balanna

Theruwan saranai!