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<blockquote data-quote="kalyanamithra" data-source="post: 2355133" data-attributes="member: 99586"><p>Dear friends,</p><p></p><p>Thought to post this because of a query a friend made about the Dhamma Chakka symbols in my profile picture; signature, etc. </p><p>[My profile picture was excerpted from an image on: <a href="http://www.gautamabuddha.org/%5D" target="_blank">http://www.gautamabuddha.org]</a></p><p></p><p><strong> Although it's not fully relevant to Dhamma; I hope posting this would make us think more about it... Please note this is a personal view I have; and its wrong by common acceptance.</strong> <strong>Please do not consider this as a Dhamma discussion...</strong></p><p></p><p>How blindly we have started to use a Dhamma chakka that cannot be rolled? I too was blind to this fact until few months ago...</p><p></p><p>We know the part in Dhammacakkappavattana sutta</p><p></p><p>“<em><strong>Etam Bhagavatā Bārānasiyam Isipatane Migadāye anuttaram Dhammacakkam pavattitam, appativattiyam samanena vā brāhmanena vā devena vā mārena vā brahmunā vā kenaci vā lokasmin'ti</strong></em>” - "The incomparable wheel of Dhamma has been set to roll by the Blessed One… in a way that it cannot be turned back by any recluse, Brahmin, Deva, Mara, Brahma, or anyone in the world."</p><p></p><p>So a Chakka that symbolizes Dhamma should be a "wheel" which can be rolled..</p><p></p><p>See how it is represented in the Ashoka pillars erected at a time Rahathan wahanses were there to advise the Emperor Ashoka (he was a Buddhist at the time; so it's not reasonable to assume that the symbol is related to Hinduism or any other faith).</p><p></p><p></p><p><img src="http://bp2.blogger.com/_yd8Htwe9SNY/RnevzhNv-GI/AAAAAAAAAA0/1xgfVMcSbTg/s320/g1_u31422_Ashoka_pillar.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p>See how our "neighbor" has it adopted (thanks to the True Buddhist leader <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B._R._Ambedkar" target="_blank">Bhimrao Ramji Ambedkar</a>) giving it the highest honor...</p><p></p><p><img src="http://lh5.ggpht.com/kalyanamithra/SG7IeFN2x4I/AAAAAAAAA1s/DugSrM3m398/s144/800px-Flag_of_India.svg.png" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p>But unfortunately something different is treated as Dhamma Chakka by acceptance <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/default/sad.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":(" title="Sad :(" data-shortname=":(" /> and the one on Ashoka Pillars is called "Asoka Chakra" by acceptance...</p><p></p><p>Accepted shape has interpretations too.. all given at latter times...</p><p>Please compare it with what I quoted from Dhammachakkappawattana sutta... The phrase "Dhamma Chakka" was not used in Dhamma with the meaning in the following excepted text... </p><p></p><p>======================================================</p><p><u>Excerpted from Wikipidea (so this might be wrong...)</u><em></em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>The eight spokes represent the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_Eightfold_Path" target="_blank">Noble Eightfold Path</a> of Buddhism. They are said to have sharp edges to cut through ignorance.</em></p><p> <em>Other symbolism in the eight-spoked Dharmacakra in Buddhism:</em> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><em>Its overall shape is that of a circle (</em><em>cakra), representing the perfection of the dharma teaching</em></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><em>The hub stands for discipline, which is the essential core of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meditation" target="_blank">meditation</a> practice</em></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><em>The rim, which holds the spokes, refers to mindfulness or </em><em><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samadhi" target="_blank">samadhi</a> which holds everything together</em></li> </ul><p><img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/Dharma_wheel.svg/180px-Dharma_wheel.svg.png" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p>======================================================</p><p></p><p>More information can be found in:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dharmacakra" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dharmacakra</a></p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashoka_Chakra" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashoka_Chakra</a></p><p></p><p>To me its like carrying on a historical mistakes without inquiring much... </p><p>See how competent we are to add various interpretations... There may be other interpretations too..</p><p></p><p><strong> Anyway it does not matter what Dhamma chakka symbols we use as long as we follow the Path...</strong></p><p><strong>There is no need to get disturbed by this post... I know what I say is wrong by common acceptance...</strong></p><p></p><p>But I want to highlight another important thing: </p><p>how impermanent (Anithya) even what we accept, interpretations we give in the society are...</p><p></p><p>It's amazing: to see the Teachings of Buddha (Dhamma) that talks about Anithya is still there in its pure form after 2552 years from Sambuddha Prinibbana.</p><p></p><p>Theruwan saranai!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kalyanamithra, post: 2355133, member: 99586"] Dear friends, Thought to post this because of a query a friend made about the Dhamma Chakka symbols in my profile picture; signature, etc. [My profile picture was excerpted from an image on: [URL="http://www.gautamabuddha.org/%5D"]http://www.gautamabuddha.org][/URL] [B] Although it's not fully relevant to Dhamma; I hope posting this would make us think more about it... Please note this is a personal view I have; and its wrong by common acceptance.[/B] [B]Please do not consider this as a Dhamma discussion...[/B] How blindly we have started to use a Dhamma chakka that cannot be rolled? I too was blind to this fact until few months ago... We know the part in Dhammacakkappavattana sutta “[I][B]Etam Bhagavatā Bārānasiyam Isipatane Migadāye anuttaram Dhammacakkam pavattitam, appativattiyam samanena vā brāhmanena vā devena vā mārena vā brahmunā vā kenaci vā lokasmin'ti[/B][/I]” - "The incomparable wheel of Dhamma has been set to roll by the Blessed One… in a way that it cannot be turned back by any recluse, Brahmin, Deva, Mara, Brahma, or anyone in the world." So a Chakka that symbolizes Dhamma should be a "wheel" which can be rolled.. See how it is represented in the Ashoka pillars erected at a time Rahathan wahanses were there to advise the Emperor Ashoka (he was a Buddhist at the time; so it's not reasonable to assume that the symbol is related to Hinduism or any other faith). [IMG]http://bp2.blogger.com/_yd8Htwe9SNY/RnevzhNv-GI/AAAAAAAAAA0/1xgfVMcSbTg/s320/g1_u31422_Ashoka_pillar.jpg[/IMG] See how our "neighbor" has it adopted (thanks to the True Buddhist leader [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B._R._Ambedkar"]Bhimrao Ramji Ambedkar[/URL]) giving it the highest honor... [IMG]http://lh5.ggpht.com/kalyanamithra/SG7IeFN2x4I/AAAAAAAAA1s/DugSrM3m398/s144/800px-Flag_of_India.svg.png[/IMG] But unfortunately something different is treated as Dhamma Chakka by acceptance :( and the one on Ashoka Pillars is called "Asoka Chakra" by acceptance... Accepted shape has interpretations too.. all given at latter times... Please compare it with what I quoted from Dhammachakkappawattana sutta... The phrase "Dhamma Chakka" was not used in Dhamma with the meaning in the following excepted text... ====================================================== [U]Excerpted from Wikipidea (so this might be wrong...)[/U][I] The eight spokes represent the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_Eightfold_Path"]Noble Eightfold Path[/URL] of Buddhism. They are said to have sharp edges to cut through ignorance.[/I] [I]Other symbolism in the eight-spoked Dharmacakra in Buddhism:[/I][LIST] [*][I]Its overall shape is that of a circle ([/I][I]cakra), representing the perfection of the dharma teaching[/I] [*][I]The hub stands for discipline, which is the essential core of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meditation"]meditation[/URL] practice[/I] [*][I]The rim, which holds the spokes, refers to mindfulness or [/I][I][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samadhi"]samadhi[/URL] which holds everything together[/I][/LIST][IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/Dharma_wheel.svg/180px-Dharma_wheel.svg.png[/IMG] ====================================================== More information can be found in: [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dharmacakra"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dharmacakra[/URL] [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashoka_Chakra"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashoka_Chakra[/URL] To me its like carrying on a historical mistakes without inquiring much... See how competent we are to add various interpretations... There may be other interpretations too.. [B] Anyway it does not matter what Dhamma chakka symbols we use as long as we follow the Path...[/B] [B]There is no need to get disturbed by this post... I know what I say is wrong by common acceptance...[/B] But I want to highlight another important thing: how impermanent (Anithya) even what we accept, interpretations we give in the society are... It's amazing: to see the Teachings of Buddha (Dhamma) that talks about Anithya is still there in its pure form after 2552 years from Sambuddha Prinibbana. Theruwan saranai! [/QUOTE]
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