Dhamma Sakachcha/ධර්ම සාකච්චා

[sachii]

නැ බුදු දහමට අනුව පිරිමි ආත්මයක් ලැබිමත් එක්තරා විදියක පිනක් තියෙන්න ඔනෙ මොකද ගැහුනු ආත්මයක් ඉදන් කවදාවත් බුදු වෙන්න පෙරුම් පුරන්න බැ. මෙතන කියවෙන්නෙ කාම මිත‍ය්‍ය චාරය නිසා යම් පිරිමි කෙනෙක් ඊලග ආත්මයෙ ගැහැනු කෙනෙක් වෙලා ඉපදුනොත් ආයෙ එ පුදගලයට පිරිමි කෙනෙක් වෙන්න බැහැ කියන එකයි මන් හිතන්නෙ.

sachchaka is this right?

 

[Prothean]

නැ බුදු දහමට අනුව පිරිමි ආත්මයක් ලැබිමත් එක්තරා විදියක පිනක් තියෙන්න ඔනෙ.

Galatians 3:8
“There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus
This is what Christianity says about Women. we all are same.
now you can see how well balanced religion is Christianity.

 

[sachii]

Galatians 3:8
“There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus
This is what Christianity says about Women. we all are same.
now you can see how well balanced religion is Christianity.

pls dont get me wrong
do not talk about another religion here in this thread. we are not comparing with other religion we are just disusing Buddhism and we are just sharing the knowledge about Buddhism.
no offense. but plz read the fist post of my thread.

 

[Prothean]

pls dont get me wrong
do not talk about another religion here in this thread. we are not comparing with other religion we are just disusing Buddhism and we are just sharing the knowledge about Buddhism.
no offense. but plz read the fist post of my thread.

forgive me for my fallacy which I have done early. but I thought to share what I know with you people cause I felt females were really offended by that statement.
never-mind. off we go.

 

[silentsahan]

සචී සහ මෙතන ඉන්න හැමෝම මන් ගැන මුකුත් හිතන්න එපා.මම
මේකට මීට කලින් ඇවිත් නැහැ , මොකද මෙතන ලස්සනට ගියා හැම
දේම.අපි කරන්න ඕන තර්කය නෙවේ අපැහැදිලි යමක් එන තැනක් අවොත්
එක විසදා ගන්න උදව්වක් පැතීම පමණයි.එකත් කරන්න ඕන නිවන් මාර්ගයේ
ගමන ඉක්මන් කරගන්න වෙන දෙයක් නම් විතරයි නැතුව තමන් මේ දන්නවා
කියල ලෝකෙට පෙන්නන්න නෙවේ.එහෙම පරමාර්ථයකින් නම් බුදුදහම
ඉගෙන ගන්න කෙනා කවමදාවත් නිවන් මාර්ගයට වැටෙන්නේ නැහැ, හරි මාර්ගයට
නාවොත්.බුද්ධ දර්මය කියන්නේ හරියටම සර්පයාගේ හිසෙන් මෙන් අල්ල ගත යුතු
දහමක් විතරයි.කඳ මැදින් ඇල්ලුවොත් වෙන්නේ සර්පයා අපස්ස හැරිලා නැවත
දෂ්ට කරනවා, ඒ විසෙන් මැරෙනවා.අන්න එක තේරුම් ගන්න ඕන මුලින්ම.
මේ දේ ඉගෙන ගන්නේ මම සසර කෙලවර කරගන්න කියන දෙයින් විතරක්
කරන්න.නැතුව කලොත් වෙන්නේ සසර පුරාවට තර්ක කර කර ඉන්න විතරයි..

සචී ඔය පටන් ගත්තු දේ හොදයි.එත් සමහරු මෙතනට එන්නේ නම් යමක් නිවනට
හේතු වෙන දෙයක් කරන යන්න නෙවේ, තව තවත් මමත්වය කියන ගොඩ වැඩි කරගන්න.
මම එළකිරි එකේ ඉන්න විදිහ ඔය දැකල ඇති නේද සචී?මම මුස්ලිම් කෙනෙක් කියල
හැමෝම හංවඩු ගැහුවා මම මුස්ලිම් අය වෙනුවෙන් කතා කල නිසා.එත් මම කතා කලේ
මනුස්ස කම වෙනුවෙන්.තව තවත් සසර දික් කර ගන්න නෙවේ කෙටි කර ගන්නයි,
දික් කරගන්න අයට එහෙම කරන්න එපා කියන්නයි.ඒ ඇර මම මේ වගේ ආගමික සංවාද
වලට එන්නේ නැහැ, ඒ වෙන දෙයක් නිසා නෙවේ අපි වත් නොදැන සසර දික් ගැහෙන,
සසර පුරාවටම තර්කයට ඉඩ හැදෙන සංවාද වලට පැටලෙන නිසා..මම බව්දයෙක් හැටියට
බලාපොරොත්තු වෙන්නේ එක නෙවේ, ගව්තම බුද්දසසනේදීම නිවන් දකින පාරේ එක වැලි
කැටයක් හරි පෑගෙන තැනකට එන්න විතරයි..

නොදන්නා දෙයක් කෙනෙක් වෙනුවෙන් දීම ඇර ඔයාවත් මෙතන ඉන්න කිසිම කෙනෙක් සංවාද
වලට යන්න එපා.තමන්ගේ සීමාවේ ඉඳන් මේකයි මෙහෙම කිව්වේ මම එතනින් එහාට යන්නේ නැහැ
කියන තැන විතරක් ඉන්න.එකම ලොකු පිටිවහලක් වෙනවා සසරේ තව තවත් නොගිලී ඉන්න..

මම මේක කිව්වේ මෙතනත් කලින් තැන වගේ මගේ ආගම හොදයි කියන දෙයක් ඇති වෙන මුලක්
දැකල.හැමෝගෙම හොදට.හැමෝම තමන්ගේ ආගම අදහන්න හොදට, කැමති නම් අනික් ආගම ගැන
හොයල බලන්න එකේ සංකල්ප විතරක් ඔලුවට ගන්න.ඒවාද මේවද කියා කියා තර්කයට යන්න එපා.
ආගමකින් ලැබෙන නිවීම ලැබෙන්නේ නැහැ...
මම ආයේ එන්නේ නැහැ මේ වගේ දේවල් කතා කරන්න මෙතනට.මම බොහොම හදිස්සියක
ඉද්දි තමා මේක දැක්කේ.එත් කතා කලේ මෙතනත් අනික් තැන වලට උණු දේ දකින්න අකමැති
නිසා...

ආගම කියන්නේ හිත නිවා ගන්න තියන දෙයක් මිසක ගිනි ගොඩක් කරගෙන
ඒ ගින්නෙන්ම පිච්චිලා යන්න තියන දෙයක් නෙවේ.

 

[Sachchaka]

sachchaka is this right?

"නැ බුදු දහමට අනුව පිරිමි ආත්මයක් ලැබිමත් එක්තරා විදියක පිනක් තියෙන්න ඔනෙ මොකද ගැහුනු ආත්මයක් ඉදන් කවදාවත් බුදු වෙන්න පෙරුම් පුරන්න බැ. මෙතන කියවෙන්නෙ කාම මිත‍ය්‍ය චාරය නිසා යම් පිරිමි කෙනෙක් ඊලග ආත්මයෙ ගැහැනු කෙනෙක් වෙලා ඉපදුනොත් ආයෙ එ පුදගලයට පිරිමි කෙනෙක් වෙන්න බැහැ කියන එකයි මන් හිතන්නෙ."


No sachii this is incorrect!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"මෙතන කියවෙන්නෙ කාම මිත‍ය්‍ය චාරය නිසා යම් පිරිමි කෙනෙක් ඊලග ආත්මයෙ ගැහැනු කෙනෙක් වෙලා ඉපදුනොත් ආයෙ එ පුදගලයට පිරිමි කෙනෙක් වෙන්න බැහැ කියන එකයි මන් හිතන්නෙ."
Also there is "NO SAYING" REPORTED IN BUDDHISM to PROVE THIS STATEMENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is a "PRIVATE IDEA"

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ONLY IRREVERSIBLE KARMA is "ANANTHARYA PAPA KARMA" Simply the above scenario is not going to fall in to this category!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Only difference between the MALE & FEMALE advantage is in case of a child birth (Because females are taking more pain than male!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
So comparatively males are lucky because there is NO child birth Pain!!!!!

1. You DO NOT WANT TO BE A MALE to Achieve NIRVANA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2. You DO NOT WANT be a බුදු කෙනෙක් to achieve NIRVANA!!!!!!!!!!!


Buddhism always ENCOURAGE to give the APPROPRIATE Status for FEMALE!!
ONLY thing is A FEMALE can't be බුදු කෙනෙක් because you can simply understand the challenges Are too risky that a female might not be able to handle it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Think "Angulimala" , "Nalagiri" is it possible to handle by a women??
It is Natural reason why can't a female to be a "Lord Buddha"


But there is NO MATTER whether you are a male or female you can still choose Any "Boodhi" you like you know that "Budu , Pasebudu , Arhath" to get out of this "Sansara"


So because of that according to the Buddhism Being a female will cause NO EFFECT on Achieve the truth , the NIRVANA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Sachchaka]

Really why we are arguing these things because i think we all have some kind of ideas that get from society may be a friend may be a temple ??? There might have some differences between these ideas we believe. So "Kaleena Dharma Sakachcha "which is encouraged by our lord Buddha, to resolve problems we have , get the correct idea about Dharma. But there shouldn't be any conflicts between us by in this thread!! This is very essential I think. Also I think we should thanks to sachii for conduct such a thread!!!

 

[James-Bond]

තමන්ව ආරක්ෂා කරන පිරිමියකු සිටිත්දී වෙනත් පිරිමින් හා කාමයෙහි හැසිරීමෙන් ස්ත්‍රීන්ට කාමමිථ්‍යාචාර අකුසලය සිදුවෙනව.

එතකොට මචං අපි හිතමු තමංගෙ ස්වාමිපුරුශයාගෙ අකමැත්තක් නෑ කියල(මෙහෙම වෙන්න තියෙන සම්භාවිතාව ගොඩක් අඩුයි),එතකොටත් ඒකත් කාම මිථයාචාරයමද?
අපි,කවුරු හරි ස්ත්‍රියක් දිහා බලල රාගී සිතක ඇති කර ගැනීම අකුසල කර්මයක්ද?

 

[Prothean]

Think "Angulimala" , "Nalagiri" is it possible to handle by a women??
It is Natural reason why can't a female to be a "Lord Buddha"

you look extremist.

 

[Sachchaka]

you look extremist.

mmm by a single statement you cant judge a person !! somehow you can have any idea about any person that is your right!!! also i belive not going aganst person but going against a wrong idea that a person posses. Also in my post said that a women cant be a buddha is NOT my personal idea but what I have learned from Buddhist Civilization subject. When talk about buddhism i think we should be more careful to not harm our religion. So if you found anywhere it is stating that a feamale can be a lord buddha please update us. Thank you !!!!!!!

 

[Prothean]

mmm by a single statement you cant judge a person !! somehow you can have any idea about any person that is your right!!! also i belive not going aganst person but going against a wrong idea that a person posses. Also in my post said that a women cant be a buddha is NOT my personal idea but what I have learned from Buddhist Civilization subject. When talk about buddhism i think we should be more careful to not harm our religion. So if you found anywhere it is stating that a feamale can be a lord buddha please update us. Thank you !!!!!!!

but I can in most of times. it's just my instinct.

 

[sachii]

you look extremist.

pls do not talk anything not related to Buddhism.
beze i dont wanna change the topic and i dont wanna end up this like other thread.
we were only talking about buddhism.

 

[sachii]

"නැ බුදු දහමට අනුව පිරිමි ආත්මයක් ලැබිමත් එක්තරා විදියක පිනක් තියෙන්න ඔනෙ මොකද ගැහුනු ආත්මයක් ඉදන් කවදාවත් බුදු වෙන්න පෙරුම් පුරන්න බැ. මෙතන කියවෙන්නෙ කාම මිත‍ය්‍ය චාරය නිසා යම් පිරිමි කෙනෙක් ඊලග ආත්මයෙ ගැහැනු කෙනෙක් වෙලා ඉපදුනොත් ආයෙ එ පුදගලයට පිරිමි කෙනෙක් වෙන්න බැහැ කියන එකයි මන් හිතන්නෙ."


No sachii this is incorrect!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"මෙතන කියවෙන්නෙ කාම මිත‍ය්‍ය චාරය නිසා යම් පිරිමි කෙනෙක් ඊලග ආත්මයෙ ගැහැනු කෙනෙක් වෙලා ඉපදුනොත් ආයෙ එ පුදගලයට පිරිමි කෙනෙක් වෙන්න බැහැ කියන එකයි මන් හිතන්නෙ."
Also there is "NO SAYING" REPORTED IN BUDDHISM to PROVE THIS STATEMENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is a "PRIVATE IDEA"

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ONLY IRREVERSIBLE KARMA is "ANANTHARYA PAPA KARMA" Simply the above scenario is not going to fall in to this category!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Only difference between the MALE & FEMALE advantage is in case of a child birth (Because females are taking more pain than male!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
So comparatively males are lucky because there is NO child birth Pain!!!!!

1. You DO NOT WANT TO BE A MALE to Achieve NIRVANA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2. You DO NOT WANT be a බුදු කෙනෙක් to achieve NIRVANA!!!!!!!!!!!


Buddhism always ENCOURAGE to give the APPROPRIATE Status for FEMALE!!
ONLY thing is A FEMALE can't be බුදු කෙනෙක් because you can simply understand the challenges Are too risky that a female might not be able to handle it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Think "Angulimala" , "Nalagiri" is it possible to handle by a women??
It is Natural reason why can't a female to be a "Lord Buddha"


But there is NO MATTER whether you are a male or female you can still choose Any "Boodhi" you like you know that "Budu , Pasebudu , Arhath" to get out of this "Sansara"


So because of that according to the Buddhism Being a female will cause NO EFFECT on Achieve the truth , the NIRVANA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yes i agree with you
but the thing is being a women is not that simply as it is. there are lots of complicated thing but ones you found the arahath the right path it wont be a problem. as gihi life its different. but buduhamuduwo alws gave right pace to the women that those days even india culture was treating terribly for the women.

do you believe ghost.. and those haunting stuff..
becuse i watched Paranormal Activity 2 and it was freaking me out..
and but i always tel karinaya matta sutraya when i freaked out. so it is really helpfully for me.

 

[Sachchaka]

yes i agree with you
but the thing is being a women is not that simply as it is. there are lots of complicated thing but ones you found the arahath the right path it wont be a problem. as gihi life its different. but buduhamuduwo alws gave right pace to the women that those days even india culture was treating terribly for the women.

do you believe ghost.. and those haunting stuff..
becuse i watched Paranormal Activity 2 and it was freaking me out..
and but i always tel karinaya matta sutraya when i freaked out. so it is really helpfully for me.

""there are lots of complicated thing but ones you found the arahath the right path it wont be a problem. as gihi life its different. but buduhamuduwo alws gave right pace to the women that those days even india culture was treating terribly for the women."

Yes Sachii you are absolutely correct!!!
Yep in that time in India with "Maha Brahma concept" it is a really bad time for women!! Just because of the "Bamunu" teaching !! They have divided the entire society in to Bamunu / Shakya / veyshya / Shudra.
Where they became the living god!! & put down every other!!!
Also Bamunu category has made special plan to letdown women's in India!!!
They have introduced the "Pathi pooja" where the wife should jump to the burning body (when he die before the wife) of the husband!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Can you think that that is too wild!!)
So lord Buddha has change this "unlawful treating status to a lawful & appropriate rights to women!.
You know the stories of Kisagothami & patachara!! where they had the equal right to achieve "Nirvana"


"do you believe ghost.. and those haunting stuff.."
Yes sachii I also watched & read some articles about them.

Yes but I think (My personal idea) is the ghost is just another name for a soul. So that sometimes we called a Ghost means you are seen a soul !!!
But the problem is According to the Buddhism there is no life form called Ghost!! (Sorry to say I am not sure They are fall in to the category of souls with out a body,)
I think there is some little confusion between these words !!!

Normally when we saw a soul somewhere we report it as Ghost or "Butha"
A Ghost in Sinhalese means "Holmana" growl = "Seleven Mana" or "Selavena Manasa" & This unstable mind status will generate some imagination of some thing which doesn't exists!!!!!!!
But "Butha" means "souls with out a body" they are in the state between transfer soul between 2 bodies
Some times some says this called "Anthara Bhawa" but you may heard that some "Buddhist monks reject it there is NO "Anthara Bhawa" & the connectivity will be done in a seconds!!!!!!!


So lets don't confuse between these words!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We have to ask from Buddhist monk for further detail!

"karinaya matta sutraya when i freaked out" me too!!!!!!!!!!! But the first thing in my list is "Ithipiso Gathawa"
It's really good thing to do !!!!!!!!!!!! Specially "Rathana Sutraya" in major disaster !!!!!!!!! Because Even Lord Buddha was using it in Against the "Vishala Mahanuwara Thun Biya" because it's use like a "Sathya kriya"

So using this Suthra & Gatha has a definite Good effect on Such Situations!!

 

[sachii]

""there are lots of complicated thing but ones you found the arahath the right path it wont be a problem. as gihi life its different. but buduhamuduwo alws gave right pace to the women that those days even india culture was treating terribly for the women."

Yes Sachii you are absolutely correct!!!
Yep in that time in India with "Maha Brahma concept" it is a really bad time for women!! Just because of the "Bamunu" teaching !! They have divided the entire society in to Bamunu / Shakya / veyshya / Shudra.
Where they became the living god!! & put down every other!!!
Also Bamunu category has made special plan to letdown women's in India!!!
They have introduced the "Pathi pooja" where the wife should jump to the burning body (when he die before the wife) of the husband!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Can you think that that is too wild!!)
So lord Buddha has change this "unlawful treating status to a lawful & appropriate rights to women!.
You know the stories of Kisagothami & patachara!! where they had the equal right to achieve "Nirvana"


"do you believe ghost.. and those haunting stuff.."
Yes sachii I also watched & read some articles about them.

Yes but I think (My personal idea) is the ghost is just another name for a soul. So that sometimes we called a Ghost means you are seen a soul !!!
But the problem is According to the Buddhism there is no life form called Ghost!! (Sorry to say I am not sure They are fall in to the category of souls with out a body,)
I think there is some little confusion between these words !!!

Normally when we saw a soul somewhere we report it as Ghost or "Butha"
A Ghost in Sinhalese means "Holmana" growl = "Seleven Mana" or "Selavena Manasa" & This unstable mind status will generate some imagination of some thing which doesn't exists!!!!!!!
But "Butha" means "souls with out a body" they are in the state between transfer soul between 2 bodies
Some times some says this called "Anthara Bhawa" but you may heard that some "Buddhist monks reject it there is NO "Anthara Bhawa" & the connectivity will be done in a seconds!!!!!!!


So lets don't confuse between these words!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We have to ask from Buddhist monk for further detail!

"karinaya matta sutraya when i freaked out" me too!!!!!!!!!!! But the first thing in my list is "Ithipiso Gathawa"
It's really good thing to do !!!!!!!!!!!! Specially "Rathana Sutraya" in major disaster !!!!!!!!! Because Even Lord Buddha was using it in Against the "Vishala Mahanuwara Thun Biya" because it's use like a "Sathya kriya"

So using this Suthra & Gatha has a definite Good effect on Such Situations!!

thaks
පින් සිද්ද වෙච්චාවෙ !

 

[sachii]

have you'l heard about some dhamma related buddhism to solve a depress mind. ?
there are lot of people suffering from these kind of disease it will be lot of help to them if we could find some help about buddhism

 

[supun75]

bohoma sthuthuyi me thread eka patan gaththata
Budu Saranai

 

[sachii]

bohoma sthuthuyi me thread eka patan gaththata
Budu Saranai

 

[RaneNat]

I have question but no one has ever been able to answer this.
To understand it clearly I will ask the question in point form.

• Mugalan Thero anya Aagamakiyan athin apavath weema
• Mugalan Thero pera bhawayaka thama demawpiyan ghaathanaya kereema
• Palamu awasthaawedi anya aagamikayan "Ananthareeya papakarmaya" kara atha
• Dewana awasthaawedi Mugalan Thero "Ananthareeya papakarmaya" kara atha
• Enam Anya theerthakayan ema pawa sidhu kare mugalan thero pera bhawayaka thaman karapu pawak nisa
• Ehenam eya "hethu pala dhahamata" wirudda weemak neda wenne? mokada anya aagamikayan ema pawa nokara inna thibba Mugalan Thero kalin paw nokara thibbanam.

Can anyone explain this to me?

Oya prashneta uththarayak dennna super normal powers(abhigngna)Nethuwa amarui mokada api denaganna one Mugalan rahatan wahansege demapiyanmada anya agamikayan hetiyata muglan rahatan whanse ghatanaya kale kiyala nethinam ehi jargon of karma phala thiyenna puluwan eyata PUBBENIVASANUSSATHI GNANAYA awashyai.Hebei okata uththarayak denna puluwan abhignna thiyana aya adath inna puluwan.Kiyai kiyala thamai hithanna amaru.

 

[sachii]