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Does True Love Really Exist in this world?
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<blockquote data-quote="sanfOdian" data-source="post: 6678023" data-attributes="member: 135326"><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px">- "Love with attachment consists of waves of emotion, usually creating invisible iron chains." Ordinary love tends to create bonds that may turn very unpleasant.</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"> - Ordinary love is based on selfishness: attraction to others because they help us.</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"> - Ordinary love is often based on opinions like beauty and status, which may be quite irrelevant or even obstacles for being able to live happily together with the person.</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"> - Exaggeration and projection are the main reasons that ordinary love leads to disappointments. To illustrate this some words from M. Scott Peck on "ordinary love":</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"> "The myth of romantic love is a dreadful lie. Perhaps it is a necessary lie in that it assures the 'falling in love'- experience that traps us into marriage. But as a psychiatrist I weep in my heart almost daily for the ghastly confusion and suffering that this myth fosters. Millions of people waste vast amounts of energy desperately in an attempt to make the reality of their lives conform to the unreality of the myth."</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"> - "Being in love" may be a very exciting emotional condition, but is it really happiness, or is it often mixed with a fair amount of suffering?</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"> - Attachment gives us the feeling of: How can this relationship fulfill MY needs? Real love would ask: What can I do for the OTHER?</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"> - Attachment based on selfishness: if you are good to me, I am good to you. Altruistic love is based on equanimity: one realizes that others are like me and want happiness. It is wishing others to be happy just because they exist.</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"> - Attachment leads to possessiveness: MY husband, MY wife, MY friend, MY family. Did you ever realize that we cannot own people, unless you believe in slavery? Possessiveness leads to FEAR of losing, fake affection out of fear, over protection, craving, jealousy or even the feeling: I can't live without her/him/my car/my cat/chocolate/pizzas/my job/my jewellery/my music....</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"> - Is the perfection we think to see in the loved one really there, or do we simply close our eyes for the negative qualities?</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"> - Is the perfection we are looking for achievable? An old Sufi tale as illustration:</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"> "One afternoon, Nasruddin and his friend were sitting in a cafe, drinking tea and talking about life and love. His friend asked: 'How come you never married?'</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"> 'Well,' said Nasruddin, 'to tell you the truth, I spend my youth looking for the perfect woman. In Cairo I met a beautiful and intelligent woman, but she was unkind. Then in Baghdad, I met a woman who was a wonderful and generous soul, but we had no common interests. One woman after another would seem just right, but there would always be something missing. Then one day, I met her; beautiful, intelligent, generous and kind. We had very much in common. In fact, she was perfect!'</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"> 'So, what happened?' asked Nasruddin's friend, 'Why didn't you marry her?'</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"> Nasruddin sipped his tea reflectively. 'Well,' he replied, 'it's really the sad story of my life.... It seemed that she was looking for the perfect man...' "</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"> To summarize: our own projections, selfish expectations and exaggerations are the foundations of attachment and the unavoidable disappointment.</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"> We want to get love, rather than give love.</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"> We seek understanding, rather than trying to understand.</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"> We seek self-confidence, rather than respecting others.</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"> We seek praise and encouragement, rather than giving praise and encouragement .</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"> We don't like criticism, but like to criticize others.</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 18px"> source-<a href="http://viewonbuddhism.org/attachment.html" target="_blank">http://viewonbuddhism.org/attachment.html</a></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sanfOdian, post: 6678023, member: 135326"] [LEFT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5]- "Love with attachment consists of waves of emotion, usually creating invisible iron chains." Ordinary love tends to create bonds that may turn very unpleasant.[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5] - Ordinary love is based on selfishness: attraction to others because they help us.[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5] - Ordinary love is often based on opinions like beauty and status, which may be quite irrelevant or even obstacles for being able to live happily together with the person.[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5] - Exaggeration and projection are the main reasons that ordinary love leads to disappointments. To illustrate this some words from M. Scott Peck on "ordinary love":[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5] "The myth of romantic love is a dreadful lie. Perhaps it is a necessary lie in that it assures the 'falling in love'- experience that traps us into marriage. But as a psychiatrist I weep in my heart almost daily for the ghastly confusion and suffering that this myth fosters. Millions of people waste vast amounts of energy desperately in an attempt to make the reality of their lives conform to the unreality of the myth."[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5] - "Being in love" may be a very exciting emotional condition, but is it really happiness, or is it often mixed with a fair amount of suffering?[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5] - Attachment gives us the feeling of: How can this relationship fulfill MY needs? Real love would ask: What can I do for the OTHER?[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5] - Attachment based on selfishness: if you are good to me, I am good to you. Altruistic love is based on equanimity: one realizes that others are like me and want happiness. It is wishing others to be happy just because they exist.[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5] - Attachment leads to possessiveness: MY husband, MY wife, MY friend, MY family. Did you ever realize that we cannot own people, unless you believe in slavery? Possessiveness leads to FEAR of losing, fake affection out of fear, over protection, craving, jealousy or even the feeling: I can't live without her/him/my car/my cat/chocolate/pizzas/my job/my jewellery/my music....[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5] - Is the perfection we think to see in the loved one really there, or do we simply close our eyes for the negative qualities?[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5] - Is the perfection we are looking for achievable? An old Sufi tale as illustration:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5] "One afternoon, Nasruddin and his friend were sitting in a cafe, drinking tea and talking about life and love. His friend asked: 'How come you never married?'[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5] 'Well,' said Nasruddin, 'to tell you the truth, I spend my youth looking for the perfect woman. In Cairo I met a beautiful and intelligent woman, but she was unkind. Then in Baghdad, I met a woman who was a wonderful and generous soul, but we had no common interests. One woman after another would seem just right, but there would always be something missing. Then one day, I met her; beautiful, intelligent, generous and kind. We had very much in common. In fact, she was perfect!'[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5] 'So, what happened?' asked Nasruddin's friend, 'Why didn't you marry her?'[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5] Nasruddin sipped his tea reflectively. 'Well,' he replied, 'it's really the sad story of my life.... It seemed that she was looking for the perfect man...' "[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5] To summarize: our own projections, selfish expectations and exaggerations are the foundations of attachment and the unavoidable disappointment.[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5] We want to get love, rather than give love.[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5] We seek understanding, rather than trying to understand.[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5] We seek self-confidence, rather than respecting others.[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5] We seek praise and encouragement, rather than giving praise and encouragement .[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5] We don't like criticism, but like to criticize others.[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5] source-[URL]http://viewonbuddhism.org/attachment.html[/URL][/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [/QUOTE]
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