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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Alucard_SxE" data-source="post: 20149064" data-attributes="member: 531919">You obviously don't see the point here.The whole point of BEING IN THE KINGSGUARD AND TAKING THE OATH OF THE KINGSGUARD IS NOT DOING WHAT A SANE,ORDINARY MAN WOULD DO AT THAT TIME. NOT TAKING THE EASY WAY. BUT FINDING A WAY A UPHOLD HIS VOWS. It's not their decision to make. They made sure that they will give up their decision and will to that when they took the oath."They are sworn to protect their king and the royal family with their own lives, to obey his commands, and to keep his secrets."Jaime may have been given the option of being a kinslayer or the kingslayer but he should have NOT CHOSEN THE 2ND OPTION. HE SIMPLY CAN'T. BECAUSE HIS DUTY IS THE KING. (But that doesn't mean he should choose the 1st one either. But the 2nd one is not an option for him) Perhaps his actions could've been justified if he atleast found a third option. As capturing and holding the king. (FYI knocking him out is the same as this. Why would I mean anything other than that?)Do you know why Jaime wanted to be in the kingsguard in the first place?? To BE CLOSE TO CERSEI.Ok I may agree that Jaime was proud to be a knight (I read that part), but the vows? puh! He only sought his own gain.And the kingsguard, he never wanted any part of it. It is because of cersei that he agreed to be in the kinsguard. And before you point out I know that it was Aryes' suspicion and wanting to rob him of his heir was the fact that Jaime was appointed but Jaime wanted to be in the kingsguard was because he wanted to be close to Cersei. Cersei was the one who pointed that out and Jaime agreed. An argument could be made that it was cersei who was the thorn at Jaime's side, who made him the things he did, but again he did them, and they are his own actions. So they define him.I only quoted from the TV show because you don't seem to understand it. Jaime does defend himself a lot. By HIMSELF. They are his own words. AND YOU ONLY POINT OUT THOSE THINGS. AND MIGHT I ADD, that all those defending his character was done by him was, BEFORE HIS LIFE CHANGED. DO YOU SEE AT ANY POINT HE TRIES TO DEFEND HIMSELF AFTER THAT?All those lies he told himself and others defending himself and his actions, now he understands them for what they were. And now he tries to cleanse himself by doing the right thing.All those things you've stated are about Jaime justifying himself.That's what Eddard asks that thing in which I quoted about."IS THAT WHAT YOU TELL YOURSELF WHEN YOU GO TO SLEEP??"And later when his life changes for good, he understands this.Again you don't get the point here.See what you've stated,"However, if there were people around and if the King had shouted the order to one of them, Jamie could have been in trouble."Do you see what you've stated here? Jaime's personal gain. His attempt to save his life and not the kings life. OR THE OTHER INNOCENT PEOPLE AS PER YOUR KNIGHTLY VOWS. According to your statement you say that understood that he could be in trouble, so his first thought is to save HIMSELF?????Is that what a knight should do at that time?? Be selfish?? (I'm only stating this because you yourself wrote this)Thanks for pointing out the other facts I can use. But remember, HE COULD'VE STOPPED THE SACK OF KINGS LANDING. At least tried. Because lannister men will here to what he'll say. If he cared so much about the people, he should've. AND HE DIDN'T SAVE THE LIVES OF INNOCENTS. ALMOST ALL OF THE PEOPLE'S LIVES WERE RUINED (Maybe apart from the Red Keep) WHO LIVED IN KINGS LANDING. SO AS YOU SAY, HE JUST CHOSE TO STOP A MASS EXECUTION JUST TO GIVE CHANCE TO ANOTHER MASS EXECUTION.and I'm not in the opinion of replacing one oath with another. I've stated clearly in the previous post what I meant.And again, if Jaime killed aryes (going against his vows) and become a kingslayer because to honor his knightly vows and save the innocent, then why didn't he kill Tywin at that time and become a kinslayer (Or atleast stop him) BECAUSE TO HONOR HIS KNIGHTLY VOWS AND SAVE THE INNOCENTS FROM HIS MEN OR KILLING ELIA AND HER CHILDREN?? If he killed the king in case to protect the innocent then obviously it isn't hard to kill the kin to protect them again.. according to you honoring his vows.(Because you say that he took his vows seriously neh?? Isn't elia and even the people of landing doesn't make into YOUR GROUP OF INNOCENT PEOPLE THAT JAIME SHOULD PROTECT??) Trying to kill bran to save his children? Pff.. He was afraid of getting caught so he again sought the easy way out. As per you his Knightly Vows doesn't apply here.You never say Jaime is perfect. But according to you what Jaime did at that time was perfect and per knightly vows. And then again he's released from his knightly vows during the sack and killing of Elia and her children.</blockquote>

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