How long did it took to create Earth and Heavens?

[AncientGlory]

My friend "I love Sri Lanka" keeps saying that you will never find an error in quaran. This may be the case. But still I'd like to bring out some parts of quaran, that I found interesting. Any comments on this?

(1)
Lo! your Lord is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days, then mounted He the Throne. He covereth the night with the day, which is in haste to follow it, and hath made the sun and the moon and the stars subservient by His command. His verily is all creation and commandment. Blessed be Allah, the Lord of the Worlds!
- Quran 7:54

(2)
Say (O Muhammad, unto the idolaters): Disbelieve ye verily in Him Who created the earth in two Days, and ascribe ye unto Him rivals? He (and none else) is the Lord of the Worlds

He placed therein firm hills rising above it, and blessed it and measured therein its sustenance in four Days, alike for (all) who ask;

Then turned He to the heaven when it was smoke, and said unto it and unto the earth: Come both of you, willingly or loth. They said: We come, obedient.

Then He ordained them seven heavens in two Days and inspired in each heaven its mandate; and We decked the nether heaven with lamps, and rendered it inviolable. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Knower.

-Quran 41:09 - 41:12

All translations are taken from Pickthal, source http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/

From (1) earth and heavens were created in = 6 days

From (2) earth (two days), sustenance(four days), heaven(two days), so earth and heavens were created in = 2 + 4 + 2 = 8 days

Anyone see something not adding up?

 

[chamikara.g]

ooka liyapu kenata akuru ba kiyala theyenawane, gananuth baruwa ethi

 

[Mujaahid]

My friend "I love Sri Lanka" keeps saying that you will never find an error in quaran. This may be the case. But still I'd like to bring out some parts of quaran, that I found interesting. Any comments on this?

(1)
Lo! your Lord is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days, then mounted He the Throne. He covereth the night with the day, which is in haste to follow it, and hath made the sun and the moon and the stars subservient by His command. His verily is all creation and commandment. Blessed be Allah, the Lord of the Worlds!
- Quran 7:54

(2)
Say (O Muhammad, unto the idolaters): Disbelieve ye verily in Him Who created the earth in two Days, and ascribe ye unto Him rivals? He (and none else) is the Lord of the Worlds

He placed therein firm hills rising above it, and blessed it and measured therein its sustenance in four Days, alike for (all) who ask;

Then turned He to the heaven when it was smoke, and said unto it and unto the earth: Come both of you, willingly or loth. They said: We come, obedient.

Then He ordained them seven heavens in two Days and inspired in each heaven its mandate; and We decked the nether heaven with lamps, and rendered it inviolable. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Knower.

-Quran 4:09 - 4:12

All translations are taken from Pickthal, source http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/

From (1) earth and heavens were created in = 6 days

From (2) earth (two days), sustenance(four days), heaven(two days), so earth and heavens were created in = 2 + 4 + 2 = 8 days

Anyone see something not adding up?

great post ayya good observations, but finally they will come and say

we have answer those question already, you will never find a error bla bla bla.....

 

[I love Srilanka]

My friend "I love Sri Lanka" keeps saying that you will never find an error in quaran. This may be the case. But still I'd like to bring out some parts of quaran, that I found interesting. Any comments on this?

Don't be so much joyous thinking that you have found an error in quran..Mmm!! not really..that you can never ever do in the quran, challenging you as Quran challenge the whole humanity...

(1)
Lo! your Lord is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days, then mounted He the Throne. He covereth the night with the day, which is in haste to follow it, and hath made the sun and the moon and the stars subservient by His command. His verily is all creation and commandment. Blessed be Allah, the Lord of the Worlds!
- Quran 7:54

(2)
Say (O Muhammad, unto the idolaters): Disbelieve ye verily in Him Who created the earth in two Days, and ascribe ye unto Him rivals? He (and none else) is the Lord of the Worlds

He placed therein firm hills rising above it, and blessed it and measured therein its sustenance in four Days, alike for (all) who ask;

Then turned He to the heaven when it was smoke, and said unto it and unto the earth: Come both of you, willingly or loth. They said: We come, obedient.

Then He ordained them seven heavens in two Days and inspired in each heaven its mandate; and We decked the nether heaven with lamps, and rendered it inviolable. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Knower.

-Quran 4:09 - 4:12

All translations are taken from Pickthal, source http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/

From (1) earth and heavens were created in = 6 days

From (2) earth (two days), sustenance(four days), heaven(two days), so earth and heavens were created in = 2 + 4 + 2 = 8 days

Anyone see something not adding up?

1st of all I need to correct you the verses that you have mentioned is 41:09-41:12 not 4.
today this verse is commonly used by the Christian missionaries against the Mulsims.Ch. 41, Verse No. 9 to 10 says… that… ‘the Earth was created in two days, and then mountains were set on it, and nourishment was given in due proportion in four days’. So it says two days the Earth was formed mountains were set on it afterwards in four days total comes to six days. Then Verse No. 11, starts with the Arabic word ‘Summa’. Now the Arabic word ‘Summa’, can be translated in three different ways. One is ‘Then’, one is ‘Moreover’, and the other is ‘Simultaneously’. I do know that many translations have translated the Arabic word ‘Summa’, as ‘then’. If you translate ‘Summa’ as ‘then’ - then there is a contradiction. It says… ‘then’ the Heavens were made in two days. That means two plus four, plus two is equal to eight days. But the exact translation should be ‘Summa’ - should be translated as ‘Moreover’ or ‘Simultaneously’. And Abdullah Yusuf Ali,(we already agreed we can use the translation of either pikthal or yusuf ali) Alhamdullillah in this place has translated ‘Summa’ correctly - as ‘Moreover’. If you translate ‘Summa’, as ‘Moreover’ or ‘Simultaneously’ - it will mean that when the Earth and the Mountains were created in six days, ‘Simultaneously’ the Heavens were created in two days. For example suppose a builder he gives in his brochure… ‘that I have constructed a ten story building along with it’s surrounding and compound wall, in six months. When a person who wants to buy a flat in that building - he goes to the builder and he asks for more details. So the builder says… ‘It took me two months to make the basement of the building ,and another four months to make the ten story. And while I was building the basement and the story, I simultaneously built the compound wall and the surrounding in two months’. It is possible - so then he is not contradicting - Total comes to yet six months. So similarly when Surah Fussilat, Ch. 41, Verse No. 9 to 12, it says that… ‘While the Earth was created along with the mountain in six days simultaneously the Heaven was created in two days’ - There is no contradiction.

Hope you will be searching for another error now, but it is my pleasure to remove all the misconceptions of the quran.

 

[Pizziesta]

This doesn't speak of days. but a long period.

Yawm = Days
Ayyawm = A Long Period of Time. In Sinhala it's 'Yugayak'.

It's the corrupted nowadays-bible theories they try to apply with Islamic Scripture to misguide man. All these done by the same people who infiltrated the original bible - Injeel.

 

[AncientGlory]

I was almost sure that you come up with this simultaneous argument.

Then Verse No. 11, starts with the Arabic word ‘Summa’. Now the Arabic word ‘Summa’, can be translated in three different ways. One is ‘Then’, one is ‘Moreover’, and the other is ‘Simultaneously’. I do know that many translations have translated the Arabic word ‘Summa’, as ‘then’. If you translate ‘Summa’ as ‘then’ - then there is a contradiction.

(1) If it can be translated in three different ways, why do you think that it should be "Moreover"? Why can't it be "then"?

(2) We already agreed that pickthal's translations are authentic. Are you saying he translated it wrong? Do you or do you not agree that Pickthal's translation is a valid source?

But the exact translation should be ‘Summa’ - should be translated as ‘Moreover’ or ‘Simultaneously’.

Why? You yourself said the word 'Summa' can also mean 'then'. So why should it be "Morever"?

And Abdullah Yusuf Ali,(we already agreed we can use the translation of either pikthal or yusuf ali) Alhamdullillah in this place has translated ‘Summa’ correctly.

Why do you think Abdullah Yusuf Ali translated it correctly. What reason do you have to say Pickthal mistranslated it?

The other important thing is that verse 41:11 does not talk about the number of days it took to create heaven.

Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) smoke: He said to it and to the earth: "Come ye together, willingly or unwillingly." They said: "We do come (together), in willing obedience."

It is 41:12 that again speaks of two days, spent on creating heavens.

And finally the meaning of word "Moreover" is more like "further". So it does not mean "simultaneously".

It is clear this is a contradiction brother. You can play the language card whatever way you want, I know you go for that as a last resort. But here, unless you say yusuf Ali's translation is also wrong, it is quite clear, what's been said.

 

[AncientGlory]

This doesn't speak of days. but a long period.

Yawm = Days
Ayyawm = A Long Period of Time. In Sinhala it's 'Yugayak'.

It's the corrupted nowadays-bible theories they try to apply with Islamic Scripture to misguide man. All these done by the same people who infiltrated the original bible - Injeel.

So yusuf Ali and Pickthal's translations are wrong?

Still if you substitute the word days for a "yugayak" or whatever, there is still a contradiction.

 

[AncientGlory]

great post ayya good observations,

Thanks bro.

 

[Tharaka1220]

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[AncientGlory]

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You know your answer is interesting. Because GOD being omnipotent, why take six or eight days at all? Why can't he do it instantaneously?

 

[dilankandy]

You know your answer is interesting. Because GOD being omnipotent, why take six or eight days at all? Why can't he do it instantaneously?

good question. actually this is the first time i get to think about it. why couldnt he create it in just second. actually for god there should be no time limit to create anything. cause time does not apply for god concept.. good one..

 

[AncientGlory]

good question. actually this is the first time i get to think about it. why couldnt he create it in just second. actually for god there should be no time limit to create anything. cause time does not apply for god concept.. good one..

True. There will always be a question. But a counter argument would be what he can do and what he actually did are two different things. We can only assume that GOD is not very keen in time management..

 

[dilankandy]

True. There will always be a question. But a counter argument would be what he can do and what he actually did are two different things. We can only assume that GOD is not very keen in time management..

or the whole story was invented..

 

[AncientGlory]

or the whole story was invented..

What???? NO way..... Look at all the logical explanations about GOD... I mean just think..

 

[IcedEarth]

Hmm, interesting post!!!

 

[dilankandy]

What???? NO way..... Look at all the logical explanations about GOD... I mean just think..

I dont see any logics there other than all the concepts which already existed. even with those *logics* they contradict there selves. If there is even a single contradiction how can u trust it?

 

[AncientGlory]

I dont see any logics there other than all the concepts which already existed. even with those *logics* they contradict there selves. If there is even a single contradiction how can u trust it?

Yeah, True. GOD is supposed to be Omniscience. So there can't be a single contradiction in the supposed holy book. One small contradiction is a 100% proof that GOD concept is false.

I was kidding in the above post BTW.

 

[dilankandy]

Yeah, True. GOD is supposed to be Omniscience. So there can't be a single contradiction in the supposed holy book. One small contradiction is a 100% proof that GOD concept is false.

I was kidding in the above post BTW.

u almost gt me there..

 

[AncientGlory]

Hmm, interesting post!!!

Thanks.