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<blockquote data-quote="Salafist" data-source="post: 17559764" data-attributes="member: 518589"><p>No lol. </p><p></p><p>I have thought about this indepth and I know of what you're speaking. But your thinking is shallow, think beyond this. Don't assume that you could THINK beyond this, because your intellect is limited...you might not have the brains to understand everything. Your intellect is fallible...it is not always correct. </p><p>It's like I'm going and telling a monkey in the middle of a jungle that the Earth is round and spherical like an egg or apple or tennis ball...The monkey will think that I am bad and he will say (if he could talk to humans).."Are you stupid? Can't you see the Earth is flat....climb this tree and look...you will see the ends of the world...The earth is a flat disk!" and so the monkey won't be able to imagine a spherical Earth. If the monkey is wise...he will admit that his intellect is not all-powerful and will believe that the Earth is a ball-like sphere even though he would not be able to understand the scientific evidence for it, that I would present to him.</p><p></p><p>As muslms we believe that Life is a test of faith and not a test of rational reasoning or intellect or how well we understand evidence. We aren't tested by our brains...rather it's our faith that is being tested. Islam is not all about evidence for God and belief etc...you need to have <em>some</em> faith to believe in it.....however small it is...it is this faith that is tested by life. Whether we hang onto it or lose go of it....and this depends on our attitude. For instance, If we are arrogant we will leave go of the faith.</p><p></p><p>I don't believe that there is ultimate proof to prove with 100% certainty that Islam or any other religion is true. Even a belief system such as atheism could be wrong - What If a possible God withhold all evidence leading to him so that he could test our faith and not our ability to understand evidence? If the latter is being tested..then uneducated people won't be able to pass the test and so they would fail...hence it would be unfair. You cannot be sure thatscience or the scientific method or your observation power is infallible. It might get wrong.</p><p></p><p>Anyway you don't understand why I said God is dimensionless (spaceless and timeless). See here...we have to end the question somewhere. For example I would say that the cause of the universe if the bigbang. And now I would have to state the cause of the bigbang...and then so on.</p><p>But it can't just go to infinity...you have to end it somewhere. Now to end it...you need to end it with a dimensionless thing. Otherwise it would have to go on..because any being with dimensions must have been created. A dimensionless being need no creator. So I call whatever ends this series as God. This is deism. But Í go further and say that this God is a personal God.</p><p></p><p>How would you answer the question...Do you believe that the universe is uncreated and eternal? What caused the bigbang?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Salafist, post: 17559764, member: 518589"] No lol. I have thought about this indepth and I know of what you're speaking. But your thinking is shallow, think beyond this. Don't assume that you could THINK beyond this, because your intellect is limited...you might not have the brains to understand everything. Your intellect is fallible...it is not always correct. It's like I'm going and telling a monkey in the middle of a jungle that the Earth is round and spherical like an egg or apple or tennis ball...The monkey will think that I am bad and he will say (if he could talk to humans).."Are you stupid? Can't you see the Earth is flat....climb this tree and look...you will see the ends of the world...The earth is a flat disk!" and so the monkey won't be able to imagine a spherical Earth. If the monkey is wise...he will admit that his intellect is not all-powerful and will believe that the Earth is a ball-like sphere even though he would not be able to understand the scientific evidence for it, that I would present to him. As muslms we believe that Life is a test of faith and not a test of rational reasoning or intellect or how well we understand evidence. We aren't tested by our brains...rather it's our faith that is being tested. Islam is not all about evidence for God and belief etc...you need to have [I]some[/I] faith to believe in it.....however small it is...it is this faith that is tested by life. Whether we hang onto it or lose go of it....and this depends on our attitude. For instance, If we are arrogant we will leave go of the faith. I don't believe that there is ultimate proof to prove with 100% certainty that Islam or any other religion is true. Even a belief system such as atheism could be wrong - What If a possible God withhold all evidence leading to him so that he could test our faith and not our ability to understand evidence? If the latter is being tested..then uneducated people won't be able to pass the test and so they would fail...hence it would be unfair. You cannot be sure thatscience or the scientific method or your observation power is infallible. It might get wrong. Anyway you don't understand why I said God is dimensionless (spaceless and timeless). See here...we have to end the question somewhere. For example I would say that the cause of the universe if the bigbang. And now I would have to state the cause of the bigbang...and then so on. But it can't just go to infinity...you have to end it somewhere. Now to end it...you need to end it with a dimensionless thing. Otherwise it would have to go on..because any being with dimensions must have been created. A dimensionless being need no creator. So I call whatever ends this series as God. This is deism. But Í go further and say that this God is a personal God. How would you answer the question...Do you believe that the universe is uncreated and eternal? What caused the bigbang? [/QUOTE]
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