Islam and universal unity

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    casper_fms said:
    Definately there should only one god can rule the world for sure?? What wil happen if so many gods rules the worlds??? So definately there is only one God for this Universe......

    who knows? there can be multiple gods ruling the universe and even it's possible there can be no god ruling it also.
     

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    sri_lion said:
    Q'ran and the UNIVERSAL PEACE!!! :rolleyes:

    Chapter 8, Verse 65:

    O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you twenty steadfast they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a hundred steadfast they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they (the disbelievers) are a folk without intelligence.

    Chapter 8, Verse 66:

    Now hath Allah lightened your burden, for He knoweth that there is weakness in you. So if there be of you a steadfast hundred they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a thousand (steadfast) they shall overcome two thousand by permission of Allah. Allah is with the steadfast.

    Chapter 8, Verse 15:

    O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them.

    Chapter 4, Verse 76:

    Those who believe do battle for the cause of Allah; and those who disbelieve do battle for the cause of idols. So fight the minions of the devil. Lo! the devil's strategy is ever weak.

    And people here still say its Jihad is to struggle... who you kidding? It should be the other way around the world struggling to keep up with Q'ran's extremism!! :rolleyes:

    :yes:
     

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    casper_fms said:
    Jazakallah...

    Masha Allah... Very good explanation... but the worry is even u explained in details,.. they dont care abt it.. they just stick on to one word....

    May allah increase ur knowledge more & show everyone the right path.

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    henderson said:
    who knows? there can be multiple gods ruling the universe and even it's possible there can be no god ruling it also.

    There can be Multiple universes too.. :lol::lol:

    If only Allah knows everything.. then he knows for certain whether there are other gods or not.. what guarantee that Muslims has that Allah is telling the truth? :rolleyes:
     

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    nadeeshaF said:
    And don't forget goddesses. This universe maybe ruled by a goddess, who knows!


    Sure.. why not

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    Taken from the blog.. Click here for the full article

    GOD and Us

    I sit here.. watching men and women both young and old walking pass by me. Kneeling down.. crossing their selves with the holy signature of god and might be saying "God may have peace upon me" or the worst of cases like mine ... "God dude, just forgive my sins will you mate ?"

    What is god ? , what is faith ? What is destiny ? what is the sole purpose of us humans having the thing called religion ?

    There's no God in this world, I seriously believe it in the core of my own prudent and stubborn self. I believe that goodness and the wickedness alike lives inside all of us at different degrees and different scales.

    Humans are also stupid. I believe that. Because I am one good example ! But I see my self as a stupid brat also. Rejecting the norms of stupid humans sometimes. I believe in a thing called True Love as well...Not one night stands or banging for the heck of it.... yet to find that illusive true love, I must travel a long way I suppose. ...............but I really do believe that there's no god in this world, they are all fakes................ Fake as Fish in a fish bun sold at our school tuck shop back in school days.

    Gods.. the word GOD.. represent the prime and solid weakness of our own selves as humans. What do GOD's represent... Incomparable Perfection. From Jesus to Allah to all what nots of gods that have ever roamed the illusive sub conscious minds of humans.

    We cling on to the hope of perfection that we can never achieve.. and create some mighty powerful GOD whom has achieved it. The absolute perfection.

    yet, to be on the safe side.....

    Compadre... I have sinned. !! May his holiness the god bestow his limitless compassion upon me and salvage my soul out of the depths of hell.
     

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    The Existence of God
    Invitation to Islam, Issue 1, May 1997

    The concept of a Supreme Creator of the universe has been something, which the western world has been trying to prove or refute now for thousands of years. However, only in the past 200 years have the creme de la creme of western intellectuals, come to the conclusion that a God/Creator of the universe is and has been a figment of mans imagination. This conclusion was formed as a reaction to the beliefs and practices of Christianity, which was a major force in European life at this time. Beliefs such as that of the Trinity[1] and the divine nature of Jesus Christ, were so complicated to understand - even for the elite of the church - that eventually the idea of a supreme and perfect creator (which Christianity had distorted) was replaced by many new theories which tried to explain how mankind came about and developed. Many different theories were introduced to the western world, but one common trait, which they all shared, was that there was no Supreme force, which governed the universe.
    So where does Islam come into all of this? Islam[2] is the one way of life, the one religion which until now has not been challenged successfully by any philosopher, atheist or intellectual. Rather the case has been the exact opposite and there have been thousands, if not millions, of so-called 'atheists' who have reverted back to Islam. So how does Islam explain the existence of this Supreme Creator?
    The Natural Way

    Allaah says in his final revelation, the Qur'aan:
    "Therefore turn your face steadfastly towards the true faith, away from all that which is false, in accordance with the Pure nature with which Allaah has Created people. Let there be no altering in the laws of Allaah's Creation. This is surely the true religion, but most people do not know it."


    (Surah Ar-Rum 30:30)


    The pure nature which is mentioned in this verse is probably the most convincing proof of a divine creator to any sincere seeker of truth. Which person can deny (atheist or otherwise) that when he/she is in dire trouble, when life is about to be taken away from them, when the pressures are unbearable - that then do they turn to that force above the skies. How many times are we confronted by a scenario in which the words: "Please God help me, and I promise that Iwill always pray to you and be good." roll off our tongues with such sincerity? Every time something bad happens, words such as these come out of the people's mouths. Yet as soon as the harm is removed the very same people beseeching the help of their creator, turn away:
    "And whatever of blessings and good things you have, it is from Allah. Then, when harm touches you, unto him you cry aloud for help. Yet no sooner does he remove your ills then some of you set up partners to their lord."


    (Surah An-Nahl 16:53-54)​


    This pure nature which every human is born with is known as the Fitrah in the Arabic language. Every human being, man or woman is born with this natural instinct to recognise the Creator and turn to Him. This is proved by the hadeeth[5] of the last messenger to mankind Muhammed (s.a.w.) who said: "Every child is born upon the pure fitra, it is only his parents that later turn him into a Jew, a Christian, or a Magian.[6]"[7]
    In fact if humans were not influenced by their societal pressures then their belief in the Creator would be distinct and clearly visible. But unfortunately this is not the case, and there exists in all non-Muslim societies a clear trend to distort the nature of human beings. One of the ways in which this is done in western societies is through the education system and its institutions. Western education is based around a whole body of secular thought which has no place for a Creator. In science lessons kids are taught that we are the ancestors of monkeys and apes and that this implies that we came about by pure chance.[8] In subjects such as psychology and sociology we are taught that religion is a tool of the privileged few who oppress the downtrodden majority.[9] This form of education has also unfortunately influenced the Muslims, and we find it very common nowadays to see the likes of the 'Abdullaah's' and the 'Fatima's' of western society proclaiming that they do not believe in God.
    The Beauty of creation

    Allaah says in the Qur'aan:
    "Verily in the creation of the heavens and the earth, in the alternation of night and day, in the sailing of the ships through the ocean for the profit of the people, in the water which Allaah sends down from the skies reviving with it the dead earth and dispersing over it all kinds of beasts, in the change of the winds, and in the clouds that run their appointed courses between heaven and earth: In all of this, indeed there are signs for people of understanding."


    (Surah Al-Baqarah 2:164)​


    SubhaanAllaah![11] How beautiful and accurate this verse is. Is it not true that when we look at the world around us we see such beauty and craftsmanship. Surely such excellence could not have come about by chance. Everything in this world and universe runs on a set course and pattern, so how is it possible then, that by pure chance everything in this universe was created with such skill and precision?
    The wonders of nature are absolutely astounding, the wind, the rain, the hail and the snow were all products of chance, then why is it that mankind, with all his technological know how, cannot even divert the softest of breezes which blows through the trees in summer? The answer is obvious. All these natural elements are aspects of Allaah's Creation and he alone can control and manipulate them as he wills.

    In fact the Creation of Allaah is so perfect that even if we try to detect a fault in it, then we will not succeed:
    "Blessed be He to Whom all sovereignty belongs; He has power over all things. He Who Created death and life that He may test which of you is best in deed. He is the Almighty, the Oft-forgiving. He Who Created the seven heavens one above another. You can see no fault in the Creation of the Bestower of Mercy. Turn up your eyes: Can you detect a single flaw? Look once more, and yet again: Your sight will in the end grow humbled and weary."


    (Surah Al-Mulk 67:1-4)​


    It is not just the seas, the mountains, the rivers and the skies which are a proof for the existence of our Creator, but also ourselves. Allaah says in the Qur'aan:
    "On the earth are signs visible to all who have faith with certainty, just as there are signs within your ownselves. Will you then not see?"


    (Surah Adh-Dhariyat 51:20-21)​


    The variety of humanity is indeed amazing, black and white, tall and short, fat and thin, good and evil, man and woman etc. etc. How many times have we considered the complex makeup of our bodies both physical and mental and found it to be completely beyond belief. It is known that if the intestines of a human being were taken out of the body, they would be so long that they could cover the entire area of a tennis court!
    But when we think about these long intestines being inside of us, it astounds and amazes us. The human brain is thought to be more powerful that any mainframe computer on earth, whilst the eye is said to be more complex and structured then any telescope invented by man. The human mind is something which is still undiscovered by psychologists and psychiatrists, and the nature of our dreams and thoughts is something which these people will probably never unravel. So we should ask ourselves, is it still possible for such a complexbeing such as ourselves, to be a mere product of chance,or rather, are we products of a supreme and skillful creator, who has shown us that he really is Al-Khaliq?[14]
    Yet despite our complicated and intricate makeup, our comparison to the Creator is not even possible. Mankind with his level of technology has gained the impression that he is the most supreme being in this universe. Yet when we look at examples of western society we see that these same humans who claim such superiority, cannot even maintain basic standards of hygiene! Washing the body-parts after urinating or excreting has almost become a sin for many people in the west, yet at the same time these people are the very same who claim technological advancement! Maybe if they believed in a Creator, the basics of life would perchance return to them, just as they have returned to the Muslims.

    The proofs for the existence of a creator are so numerous that it would take us a very long time to go through every single one. So finally we should remember, that the creation of humanity was neither an accident, nor a development from monkey to man. Rather it was the creation of Allah the Most High, the Most Perfect, who reminds us of the stupidity of those who claim that He did not create us:
    "Were they created of nothing? or were they perchance, their own creators? or did they create the heavens and the earth? surely they have no firm belief."


    (Surah At-Tur 52:35-36)​



    Footnotes
    1 The belief that the Father (God), the son (Jesus) and the Holy spirit (?) are all parts of one God, despite the fact that they are 3 separate entities!! To this very day millions of Christians are still unable to understand this belief, which is one of the reasons why it has even been thrown out of some versions of the Bible.
    2 The meaning of Islam is to 'sincerely submit your will, to the will of Allaah (God)'.
    3 Surah Ar-Rum 30:30
    4 Surah An-Nahl 16:53-54
    5 Hadeeth: A report of the Prophet Muhammed's (s.a.w.'s) sayings, actions or approvals.
    6 A Magian is another word for a fire worshipper.
    7 Sahih Muslim.
    8 This theory was made popular by a man known as Charles Darwin.
    9 This is the view of the German scientist Karl Marx.
    10 Surah AI-Baqara 2:164.
    11 Glory be to Allaah who is free form any imperfection.
    12 Surah Tabarak 67:14
    13 Surah Az-Dhariyat 51:20-21.
    14 The supreme creator: This is one of the many attributes of Allaah.
    15 Surah At-Tur 52:35-36.

     

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    sri_lion said:
    Q'ran and the UNIVERSAL PEACE!!! :rolleyes:

    Chapter 8, Verse 65:

    O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you twenty steadfast they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a hundred steadfast they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they (the disbelievers) are a folk without intelligence.

    Chapter 8, Verse 66:

    Now hath Allah lightened your burden, for He knoweth that there is weakness in you. So if there be of you a steadfast hundred they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a thousand (steadfast) they shall overcome two thousand by permission of Allah. Allah is with the steadfast.

    Chapter 8, Verse 15:

    O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them.

    Chapter 4, Verse 76:

    Those who believe do battle for the cause of Allah; and those who disbelieve do battle for the cause of idols. So fight the minions of the devil. Lo! the devil's strategy is ever weak.

    And people here still say its Jihad is to struggle... who you kidding? It should be the other way around the world struggling to keep up with Q'ran's extremism!! :rolleyes:

    :lol: :lol: :lol: you see it in the vice versa way of the Qran! I cant guarantee that you read the whole chapter than just quoting a single verse! then tell me about the story of Battle of Badr!
     

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    daddyimmo said:
    :lol: :lol: :lol: you see it in the vice versa way of the Qran! I cant guarantee that you read the whole chapter than just quoting a single verse! then tell me about the story of Battle of Badr!

    Exactly... why Battle? Because Islam approves it!!!

    See Bin Laden.. he thinks Islam is under the threat of westerners (or so wants others to think :rolleyes: ) and take advantage of Q'ran to kill who he wishes to kill..

    WHY? BECAUSE Q'RAN SPEAKS OF IT!!!
     

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    saharaz! I'm really LMAO @ you! :lol::lol:

    I'm asking you, how do we know Allah is telling the truth, because Muslims say he knows everything.. if there is any other GOD controlling Allah too and Allah have not revealed it to Human? then how? I may or may not right but you can't deny that there is such a possibility.. who knows? only him (Allah) knows!!

    When I ask how to prove that Allah infact telling the truth about himself... YOU quote from his own words HAHAHAHAHA :lol::lol::lol:

    Do you really have no "logic controller" at least the size of a pea in your head? :lol::lol::lol:
     

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    sri_lion said:
    Exactly... why Battle? Because Islam approves it!!!

    See Bin Laden.. he thinks Islam is under the threat of westerners (or so wants others to think :rolleyes: ) and take advantage of Q'ran to kill who he wishes to kill..

    WHY? BECAUSE Q'RAN SPEAKS OF IT!!!
    :lol: :lol: :lol:
    dont hide away! that's what I'm saying dont just quote without knowing the whole story and coming back to the 9/11 inside job story! What Bin laden is doing is against the Islamic law! I condemn the attack of The Bin laden! Islam denounces terrorism!
     

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    daddyimmo said:
    :lol: :lol: :lol:
    dont hide away! that's what I'm saying dont just quote without knowing the whole story and coming back to the 9/11 inside job story! What Bin laden is doing is against the Islamic law! I condemn the attack of The Bin laden! Islam denounces terrorishm!

    Oh! 9/11 was an inside job!! :lol::lol: Whatever makes you happy dude!! :lol::lol:

    Then explain those verses from Q'ran dude... it says gather believers to fight? What does that actually sounds like? LOVE? and beat wives ("lightly" added later in the modified version :lol:) does these verse sounds like UNIVERSAL PEACE to you? :lol:

    C'mon dude!!!:rolleyes:

    What difference does it make if I read a whole chapter? Q'ran accepts violence one way or another!!!

    And you condemn Bin Laden? why? All he did was gather believers to fight so you are the one that is not accepting the Q'ran then! :lol::lol:
     

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    Islam not teach us about Terrorism.. Islam not accept the killing of innocent civilians, womens, childrens, old people & even not approve to cut the TREE in a war.. Islam alloved only to fight with enemy... so think what i mean.???

    If Islam clearly say even cant kill/cut trees, hw u tinnk abt innocent...

    What ever BIN LADEN says or doing... its not accepted by whole muslim community... Its only few of them support for his terrorism...

    Islam Strongly denounce terrorism.. Remember, Islam stongly condemn the suicide in any manner???? Thats all...

    Its up2u 2 think...

    If u argue without point....I cnt do anyting.