Islam and universal unity

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Islam not teach us about Terrorism.. Islam not accept the killing of innocent civilians, womens, childrens, old people & even not approve to cut the TREE in a war.. Islam alloved only to fight with enemy... so think what i mean.???

If Islam clearly say even cant kill/cut trees, hw u tinnk abt innocent...

What ever BIN LADEN says or doing... its not accepted by whole muslim community... Its only few of them support for his terrorism...

Islam Strongly denounce terrorism.. Remember, Islam stongly condemn the suicide in any manner???? Thats all...

Its up2u 2 think...

If u argue without point....I cnt do anyting.

Dude I'm not saying all the Muslims are Terrorists!

The only reason you maybe good because you don't have the heart to do something wrong.... but if you need to fight.. be it for any reason.. you can fight.. because Q'ran has allowed it!!

If you say Islam has come under threat and I'm fighting for Islam, that's allowed in Q'ran.. is it NOT? That's my point... now bring on yours!!!

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Also aren't you the one who said:

God created Hell to be a place for those who deny Him and blaspheme against Him. Their tongue with which they are now insulting Him with will burn with the severest fire. The brain which they use to put together such devilish thoughts will boil forever... They will cry blood instead of tears and drink their pus. When they come to see such tortures they would wish also to become like the animals that will turn to soil on the Day of Judgment

In this thread :rolleyes:

That's terror right there by your so called GOD!!!! END OF THE STORY DUDE!!!
 
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oh mine!

seems like some are highlighted! I dont know how, ignore about them!

Oh! 9/11 was an inside job!! Whatever makes you happy dude!!

What ever make you happy as far as you are a criticizer!

According to the American Islamic Council about 400 to 500 Muslims were killed in the 911! Did they fight for the right of Islam? Strongly unacceptable!

Then explain those verses from Q'ran dude... it says gather believers to fight? What does that actually sounds like? LOVE? and beat wives ("lightly" added later in the modified version ) does these verse sounds like UNIVERSAL PEACE to you?

Yet it is social justice & fairness toward universal peace! Not those tyrant Muslim regimes and terrorist organizations routinely invoke war to terrorize or kill innocent people to achieve their political agendas.

They are those with whom you have entered into a treaty, then they break their treaty each time, and they do not fear Allah. So, if you find them in war, deal with them in a way that those behind them have to disperse fearfully, so that they take a lesson and if you apprehend a breach from a people, then, throw (the treaty) towards them in straight-forward terms. Surely, Allah does not like those who breach the trust. The disbelievers should never think that they have surpassed (the divine punishment). Surely, they cannot frustrate (the Divine will). Prepare against them whatever force you can, and the trained horses whereby you frighten Allah‘s enemy and your own enemy and others besides them whom you do not know. Allah knows them. Whatever thing you spend in the way of Allah, it will be paid to you in full, and you shall not be wronged. And if they tilt towards peace, you too should tilt towards it, and place your trust in Allah. Surely, He is the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing.” {Surah Al-Anfal, V 8:57-61}

And the popular quoting! Ha ha!

Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allâh has made one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support them) from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient (to Allâh and to their husbands), and guard in the husband's absence what Allâh orders them to guard (e.g. their chastity, their husband's property, etc.). As to those women on whose part you see ill conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful), but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allâh is Ever Most High, Most Great. (3:34)

This is the right translation! Not those you see in the internet! Clearly we can see that beating is optional and not a must and for the reason where disobedience are! And there are condition in this if it is useful only and not a must! Further if we see

If you fear a breach between them twain (the man and his wife), appoint (two) arbitrators, one from his family and the other from her's; if they both wish for peace, Allâh will cause their reconciliation. Indeed Allâh is Ever All­ Knower, Well­ Acquainted with all things.(3:35)

Clearly we can see it’s optional as why then should we appoint arbitrators to solve the dilemma between the husband & wife! This is all done not to degrade the woman but to upgrade the woman to modesty, chastity & obedience! It’s wrong to oppress woman!

C'mon dude!!!

What difference does it make if I read a whole chapter? Q'ran accepts violence one way or another!!!

C’mon dude

That is the biggest mistake is what you are doing! Accepting what make sense the erroneous way you see! That what lord Buddha too said:

"Believe nothing,
no matter where you read it,
or who said it, no matter if I have said it,
unless it agrees with your own
reason and your own common sense".



And you condemn Bin Laden? why? All he did was gather believers to fight so you are the one that is not accepting the Q'ran then!

Ha ha ha! As long as the Muslims gather the Muslims means they have gathered the believers! If so then the Christians gather the Christians means they have gather the what? Believers ok! What matters not gathering! What is the reason for fighting? Base on what agendas? Those tyrants Muslims are strongly against the law of Islam though whatever they say!

And fight in the Way of Allâh those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allâh likes not the transgressors.(2:190)

Allah (SWT) or the Almighty God has only ordered to fight a disbeliever if he fights against you! Meaning to fight against only moral corruption, political and economic injustices, to restore basic human rights, fighting against tyranny and oppression.

Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land - it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. And indeed, there came to them Our Messengers with clear proofs, evidences, and signs, even then after that many of them continued to exceed the limits (e.g. by doing oppression unjustly and exceeding beyond the limits set by Allâh by committing the major sins) in the land!.(5:32)

How many innocents have being killed in the 911? Strongly unacceptable by Allah (SWT) or Almighty God

It is you who is not accepting the Q'ran! But accept just like lord Buddha said!

Dude I'm not saying all the Muslims are Terrorists!
That is more than enough as long as you differentiate Muslims (who are exercising this) and Islam.TrulyJust as acts of terrorism committed by Buddhist cannot be attributed to Buddhism!


The only reason you maybe good because you don't have the heart to do something wrong.... but if you need to fight.. be it for any reason.. you can fight.. because Q'ran has allowed it!!

If you say Islam has come under threat and I'm fighting for Islam, that's allowed in Q'ran.. is it NOT? That's my point... now bring on yours!!!


Fighting is prescribed only to those who fight against us and not for any reason! But against transgress


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Also aren't you the one who said:

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God created Hell to be a place for those who deny Him and blaspheme against Him. Their tongue with which they are now insulting Him with will burn with the severest fire. The brain which they use to put together such devilish thoughts will boil forever... They will cry blood instead of tears and drink their pus. When they come to see such tortures they would wish also to become like the animals that will turn to soil on the Day of Judgment

Whether he is a Muslim or a non Muslim it’s a punishment on hell not on earth! If you couldn’t understand that statement then, do think anything you want!


 
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    saharaz said:
    www.thetruereligion.org
    The Existence of God
    Invitation to Islam, Issue 1, May 1997

    The concept of a Supreme Creator of the universe has been something, which the western world has been trying to prove or refute now for thousands of years. However, only in the past 200 years have the creme de la creme of western intellectuals, come to the conclusion that a God/Creator of the universe is and has been a figment of mans imagination. This conclusion was formed as a reaction to the beliefs and practices of Christianity, which was a major force in European life at this time. Beliefs such as that of the Trinity[1] and the divine nature of Jesus Christ, were so complicated to understand - even for the elite of the church - that eventually the idea of a supreme and perfect creator (which Christianity had distorted) was replaced by many new theories which tried to explain how mankind came about and developed. Many different theories were introduced to the western world, but one common trait, which they all shared, was that there was no Supreme force, which governed the universe.
    So where does Islam come into all of this? Islam[2] is the one way of life, the one religion which until now has not been challenged successfully by any philosopher, atheist or intellectual. Rather the case has been the exact opposite and there have been thousands, if not millions, of so-called 'atheists' who have reverted back to Islam. So how does Islam explain the existence of this Supreme Creator?
    The Natural Way

    Allaah says in his final revelation, the Qur'aan:
    "Therefore turn your face steadfastly towards the true faith, away from all that which is false, in accordance with the Pure nature with which Allaah has Created people. Let there be no altering in the laws of Allaah's Creation. This is surely the true religion, but most people do not know it."


    (Surah Ar-Rum 30:30)


    The pure nature which is mentioned in this verse is probably the most convincing proof of a divine creator to any sincere seeker of truth. Which person can deny (atheist or otherwise) that when he/she is in dire trouble, when life is about to be taken away from them, when the pressures are unbearable - that then do they turn to that force above the skies. How many times are we confronted by a scenario in which the words: "Please God help me, and I promise that Iwill always pray to you and be good." roll off our tongues with such sincerity? Every time something bad happens, words such as these come out of the people's mouths. Yet as soon as the harm is removed the very same people beseeching the help of their creator, turn away:
    "And whatever of blessings and good things you have, it is from Allah. Then, when harm touches you, unto him you cry aloud for help. Yet no sooner does he remove your ills then some of you set up partners to their lord."


    (Surah An-Nahl 16:53-54)​


    This pure nature which every human is born with is known as the Fitrah in the Arabic language. Every human being, man or woman is born with this natural instinct to recognise the Creator and turn to Him. This is proved by the hadeeth[5] of the last messenger to mankind Muhammed (s.a.w.) who said: "Every child is born upon the pure fitra, it is only his parents that later turn him into a Jew, a Christian, or a Magian.[6]"[7]
    In fact if humans were not influenced by their societal pressures then their belief in the Creator would be distinct and clearly visible. But unfortunately this is not the case, and there exists in all non-Muslim societies a clear trend to distort the nature of human beings. One of the ways in which this is done in western societies is through the education system and its institutions. Western education is based around a whole body of secular thought which has no place for a Creator. In science lessons kids are taught that we are the ancestors of monkeys and apes and that this implies that we came about by pure chance.[8] In subjects such as psychology and sociology we are taught that religion is a tool of the privileged few who oppress the downtrodden majority.[9] This form of education has also unfortunately influenced the Muslims, and we find it very common nowadays to see the likes of the 'Abdullaah's' and the 'Fatima's' of western society proclaiming that they do not believe in God.
    The Beauty of creation

    Allaah says in the Qur'aan:
    "Verily in the creation of the heavens and the earth, in the alternation of night and day, in the sailing of the ships through the ocean for the profit of the people, in the water which Allaah sends down from the skies reviving with it the dead earth and dispersing over it all kinds of beasts, in the change of the winds, and in the clouds that run their appointed courses between heaven and earth: In all of this, indeed there are signs for people of understanding."


    (Surah Al-Baqarah 2:164)​


    SubhaanAllaah![11] How beautiful and accurate this verse is. Is it not true that when we look at the world around us we see such beauty and craftsmanship. Surely such excellence could not have come about by chance. Everything in this world and universe runs on a set course and pattern, so how is it possible then, that by pure chance everything in this universe was created with such skill and precision?
    The wonders of nature are absolutely astounding, the wind, the rain, the hail and the snow were all products of chance, then why is it that mankind, with all his technological know how, cannot even divert the softest of breezes which blows through the trees in summer? The answer is obvious. All these natural elements are aspects of Allaah's Creation and he alone can control and manipulate them as he wills.

    In fact the Creation of Allaah is so perfect that even if we try to detect a fault in it, then we will not succeed:
    "Blessed be He to Whom all sovereignty belongs; He has power over all things. He Who Created death and life that He may test which of you is best in deed. He is the Almighty, the Oft-forgiving. He Who Created the seven heavens one above another. You can see no fault in the Creation of the Bestower of Mercy. Turn up your eyes: Can you detect a single flaw? Look once more, and yet again: Your sight will in the end grow humbled and weary."


    (Surah Al-Mulk 67:1-4)​


    It is not just the seas, the mountains, the rivers and the skies which are a proof for the existence of our Creator, but also ourselves. Allaah says in the Qur'aan:
    "On the earth are signs visible to all who have faith with certainty, just as there are signs within your ownselves. Will you then not see?"


    (Surah Adh-Dhariyat 51:20-21)​


    The variety of humanity is indeed amazing, black and white, tall and short, fat and thin, good and evil, man and woman etc. etc. How many times have we considered the complex makeup of our bodies both physical and mental and found it to be completely beyond belief. It is known that if the intestines of a human being were taken out of the body, they would be so long that they could cover the entire area of a tennis court!
    But when we think about these long intestines being inside of us, it astounds and amazes us. The human brain is thought to be more powerful that any mainframe computer on earth, whilst the eye is said to be more complex and structured then any telescope invented by man. The human mind is something which is still undiscovered by psychologists and psychiatrists, and the nature of our dreams and thoughts is something which these people will probably never unravel. So we should ask ourselves, is it still possible for such a complexbeing such as ourselves, to be a mere product of chance,or rather, are we products of a supreme and skillful creator, who has shown us that he really is Al-Khaliq?[14]
    Yet despite our complicated and intricate makeup, our comparison to the Creator is not even possible. Mankind with his level of technology has gained the impression that he is the most supreme being in this universe. Yet when we look at examples of western society we see that these same humans who claim such superiority, cannot even maintain basic standards of hygiene! Washing the body-parts after urinating or excreting has almost become a sin for many people in the west, yet at the same time these people are the very same who claim technological advancement! Maybe if they believed in a Creator, the basics of life would perchance return to them, just as they have returned to the Muslims.

    The proofs for the existence of a creator are so numerous that it would take us a very long time to go through every single one. So finally we should remember, that the creation of humanity was neither an accident, nor a development from monkey to man. Rather it was the creation of Allah the Most High, the Most Perfect, who reminds us of the stupidity of those who claim that He did not create us:
    "Were they created of nothing? or were they perchance, their own creators? or did they create the heavens and the earth? surely they have no firm belief."


    (Surah At-Tur 52:35-36)​


    Footnotes
    1 The belief that the Father (God), the son (Jesus) and the Holy spirit (?) are all parts of one God, despite the fact that they are 3 separate entities!! To this very day millions of Christians are still unable to understand this belief, which is one of the reasons why it has even been thrown out of some versions of the Bible.
    2 The meaning of Islam is to 'sincerely submit your will, to the will of Allaah (God)'.
    3 Surah Ar-Rum 30:30
    4 Surah An-Nahl 16:53-54
    5 Hadeeth: A report of the Prophet Muhammed's (s.a.w.'s) sayings, actions or approvals.
    6 A Magian is another word for a fire worshipper.
    7 Sahih Muslim.
    8 This theory was made popular by a man known as Charles Darwin.
    9 This is the view of the German scientist Karl Marx.
    10 Surah AI-Baqara 2:164.
    11 Glory be to Allaah who is free form any imperfection.
    12 Surah Tabarak 67:14
    13 Surah Az-Dhariyat 51:20-21.
    14 The supreme creator: This is one of the many attributes of Allaah.
    15 Surah At-Tur 52:35-36.



    Wasted 10 minutes of my time reading bullshit !

    Phewwwww :rofl:
     

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    sri_lion said:
    Dude I'm not saying all the Muslims are Terrorists!

    The only reason you maybe good because you don't have the heart to do something wrong.... but if you need to fight.. be it for any reason.. you can fight.. because Q'ran has allowed it!!

    If you say Islam has come under threat and I'm fighting for Islam, that's allowed in Q'ran.. is it NOT? That's my point... now bring on yours!!!

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    Also aren't you the one who said:



    In this thread :rolleyes:

    That's terror right there by your so called GOD!!!! END OF THE STORY DUDE!!!

    SRI ...

    There are two kind of people in this world you JUST can't argue with (on a more reasonable tone)

    1. Idiots with inferiority complex
    2. Egoistic self engrossed Maniacs !


    Catch my drift
     

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    Dude I'm not saying all the Muslims are Terrorists!

    The only reason you maybe good because you don't have the heart to do something wrong.... but if you need to fight.. be it for any reason.. you can fight.. because Q'ran has allowed it!!

    If you say Islam has come under threat and I'm fighting for Islam, that's allowed in Q'ran.. is it NOT? That's my point... now bring on yours!!!

    EDIT:

    Also aren't you the one who said:



    In this thread :rolleyes:

    That's terror right there by your so called GOD!!!! END OF THE STORY DUDE!!!

    SRI ...

    There are two kind of people in this world you JUST can't argue with (on a more reasonable tone)

    1. Idiots with inferiority complex
    2. Egoistic self engrossed Maniacs !


    Catch my drift
     

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    daddyimmo said:
    What ever make you happy as far as you are a criticizer!
    According to the American Islamic Council about 400 to 500 Muslims were killed in the 911! Did they fight for the right of Islam? Strongly unacceptable!

    There were nearly 3000 fatalities!! So if like what you say 500 of them are Muslims.. are you suggesting that the whole motive of US was to kill 500 Muslims by sacrificing 2 of their own world trade center buidlings, sacrificing their economy and sacrifice at least another 2000 US citizens to achieve that?
    Pfewww.. what a LOAD CRAP!!! :lol::lol:

    daddyimmo said:
    Yet it is social justice & fairness toward universal peace! Not those tyrant Muslim regimes and terrorist organizations routinely invoke war to terrorize or kill innocent people to achieve their political agendas.

    They are those with whom you have entered into a treaty, then they break their treaty each time, and they do not fear Allah. So, if you find them in war, deal with them in a way that those behind them have to disperse fearfully, so that they take a lesson and if you apprehend a breach from a people, then, throw (the treaty) towards them in straight-forward terms. Surely, Allah does not like those who breach the trust. The disbelievers should never think that they have surpassed (the divine punishment). Surely, they cannot frustrate (the Divine will). Prepare against them whatever force you can, and the trained horses whereby you frighten Allah‘s enemy and your own enemy and others besides them whom you do not know. Allah knows them. Whatever thing you spend in the way of Allah, it will be paid to you in full, and you shall not be wronged. And if they tilt towards peace, you too should tilt towards it, and place your trust in Allah. Surely, He is the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing.” {Surah Al-Anfal, V 8:57-61}

    Exactly! so what we arguing here? :rolleyes:

    Allah says... if someone breach his trust and go against him and his followers, take the necessary steps to prevent it even if it includes WAR!!

    Why he ask people to do the dirty stuff for him? if he is THE MOST POWERFUL he could come down from wherever he is and deal with them..
    :rolleyes:
    daddyimmo said:
    And the popular quoting! Ha ha!

    Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allâh has made one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support them) from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient (to Allâh and to their husbands), and guard in the husband's absence what Allâh orders them to guard (e.g. their chastity, their husband's property, etc.). As to those women on whose part you see ill conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful), but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allâh is Ever Most High, Most Great. (3:34)

    This is the right translation! Not those you see in the internet! Clearly we can see that beating is optional and not a must and for the reason where disobedience are! And there are condition in this if it is useful only and not a must! Further if we see

    If you fear a breach between them twain (the man and his wife), appoint (two) arbitrators, one from his family and the other from her's; if they both wish for peace, Allâh will cause their reconciliation. Indeed Allâh is Ever All­ Knower, Well­ Acquainted with all things.(3:35)

    Clearly we can see it’s optional as why then should we appoint arbitrators to solve the dilemma between the husband & wife! This is all done not to degrade the woman but to upgrade the woman to modesty, chastity & obedience! It’s wrong to oppress woman!

    This is the BEST excuse you can come up with!??

    After all said and done finally Q'ran says "beat them if necessary"? See you are not denying that fact... infact you are trying to hide it saying ITS OPTIONAL!!! :lol::lol:

    Why give the option in the first place for any lunatic to exploit?????? Who decides how much "light hitting" is light enough? :rolleyes:

    I can't believe that you saying hitting women is OPTIONAL, do you understand the fact that optional means it is still doable? That's exactly what I'm trying to say here!!!

    daddyimmo said:
    C’mon dude

    That is the biggest mistake is what you are doing! Accepting what make sense the erroneous way you see! That what lord Buddha too said:

    "Believe nothing,
    no matter where you read it,
    or who said it, no matter if I have said it,
    unless it agrees with your own
    reason and your own common sense".
    I think errornous way??? :lol::lol: Like how? like you think hitting women is OPTIONAL? C'mon dude!!!
    daddyimmo said:
    Ha ha ha! As long as the Muslims gather the Muslims means they have gathered the believers! If so then the Christians gather the Christians means they have gather the what? Believers ok! What matters not gathering! What is the reason for fighting? Base on what agendas? Those tyrants Muslims are strongly against the law of Islam though whatever they say!

    And fight in the Way of Allâh those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allâh likes not the transgressors.(2:190)

    Allah (SWT) or the Almighty God has only ordered to fight a disbeliever if he fights against you! Meaning to fight against only moral corruption, political and economic injustices, to restore basic human rights, fighting against tyranny and oppression.

    Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land - it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. And indeed, there came to them Our Messengers with clear proofs, evidences, and signs, even then after that many of them continued to exceed the limits (e.g. by doing oppression unjustly and exceeding beyond the limits set by Allâh by committing the major sins) in the land!.(5:32)

    How many innocents have being killed in the 911? Strongly unacceptable by Allah (SWT) or Almighty God
    Yes! so you confirm what I said... violence is allowed in Q'ran again read the first section of my reply that's that I have to present here too..

    Also I would like you to ask that... if what you say is true... US killing Saddam Hussian was corract because he fits the bill.. a tyrant, corrupted , human rights, opressions and injustice!! What do you say?

    daddyimmo said:
    It is you who is not accepting the Q'ran! But accept just like lord Buddha said!


    So if Lord Buddha was alive he would accept Q'ran? ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND? :lol::lol::lol:

    daddyimmo said:
    Fighting is prescribed only to those who fight against us and not for any reason! But against transgress


    Bottomline: Fighting is Presicribed!!!


    Fighting = Violence
    daddyimmo said:
    Whether he is a Muslim or a non Muslim it’s a punishment on hell not on earth! If you couldn’t understand that statement then, do think anything you want!
    Heaven or Hell.. your GOD will DOOM all non-Muslims.. what's the difference? If you believe in Q'ran you believe in that too... means you accept the violence by your GOD to non-Muslims based upon the fact that they did not follow him... AND YOU ACCEPT IT!!!

    Happy New Year BTW :)
     

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    There were nearly 3000 fatalities!! So if like what you say 500 of them are Muslims... are you suggesting that the whole motive of US was to kill 500 Muslims by sacrificing 2 of their own world trade center buildings, sacrificing their economy and sacrifice at least another 2000 US citizens to achieve that?
    Pfewww... what a LOAD CRAP!!!

    No I’m not suggesting baby! Happy?

    Are you worried about their building and economy when the innocents are been killed, blaming us!

    So what, that what it’s wrong according to the Islam! Thousands of innocents are being killed! I condemn it!

    Are you thinking that as non Muslims are killed more than Muslims in this 911 means according to Islam is right! What crap is that! It’s wrong according to Islam! The innocents have been killed!

    Exactly! So what we arguing here?

    Allah says... if someone breach his trust and go against him and his followers, take the necessary steps to prevent it even if it includes WAR!!

    Why he ask people to do the dirty stuff for him? If he is THE MOST POWERFUL he could come down from wherever he is and deal with them...

    Oh you are worried about that why god does not exist for all this stuff! Think whatever you want!

    This is the BEST excuse you can come up with!??

    Not excuse, fact!

    After all said and done finally Q'ran says "beat them if necessary"? See you are not denying that fact... in fact you are trying to hide it saying IT’S OPTIONAL!!!
    You are hiding away by criticizing it! I have clearly shown is optional from verse 3:34-35!

    Why give the option in the first place for any lunatic to exploit?????? Who decides how much "light hitting" is light enough?

    I can't believe that you saying hitting women is OPTIONAL, do you understand the fact that optional means it is still doable? That's exactly what I'm trying to say here!!!
    Ha ha ha! Not those type of beatings we hear from the children’s and woman’s bureau! As I told before the latter, the choice is by the husband and not a must! And if want, can appoint two arbitrators! I don’t mind what ever you think!

    I think erroneous way??? Like how? Like you think hitting women is OPTIONAL? C'mon dude!!!

    As long as it satisfies you the way you see it as wrong! Did you forget that this is not to degrade woman but to upgrade woman toward chastity…. And not like the westerners way and those we hear in the children’s & woman’s bureau!

    Yes! So you confirm what I said... violence is allowed in Q'ran again read the first section of my reply that's that I have to present here too...
    Do you I have to tell you again that violence against injustice & oppression

    Also I would like you to ask that... if what you say is true... US killing Saddam Hussein was correct because he fits the bill... a tyrant, corrupted, human rights, oppressions and injustice!! What do you say?
    Yes! Saddam Hussein is wrong!

    So if Lord Buddha was alive he would accept Q'ran? ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND?

    I was not talking about Lord Buddha not accepting it! It’s you! & this what revolves in your mind:

    "Believe nothing,
    no matter where you read it,
    or who said it, no matter if I have said it,
    unless it agrees with your own
    reason and your own common sense".


    Bottom-line: Fighting is prescribed!!!

    Fighting = Violence

    When did you start to teach me English?
    Heaven or Hell... your GOD will DOOM all non-Muslims... what's the difference? If you believe in Q'ran you believe in that too... means you accept the violence by your GOD to non-Muslims based upon the fact that they did not follow him... AND YOU ACCEPT IT!!!


    It is who the non Muslims had decided to attack the Muslims because they didn’t like anyone coming to Islam! And as non Muslims declared violence against the Muslims, the Muslims reacted!



     

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    SRI ...

    There are two kind of people in this world you JUST can't argue with (on a more reasonable tone)

    1. Idiots with inferiority complex
    2. Egoistic self engrossed Maniacs !


    Catch my drift


    out of these two catagories you are belongs to which one ????

    1. Idiots with inferiority complex or 2. Egoistic self engrossed Maniacs ??????