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<blockquote data-quote="Y2K" data-source="post: 10130766" data-attributes="member: 35049"><p><span style="font-size: 15px">The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, most of the verses of violence in the Quran are open-ended, meaning that the historical context is not embedded within the surrounding text. They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subjective as anything else in the Quran. </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to abrogate or even balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. This proclivity toward violence - and Muhammad's own martial legacy - has left a trail of blood and tears across world history.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">Ok Mr.Al Baik Try hard to Justify these statements (Unfortunately you can not say these verses are changed by human because you people say Quran is not currupted and it is strieght from Allah (GOD) </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">Quran (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah." </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things." </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding caravans with this verse.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle, as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. Here is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah" </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">Quran (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">remember." </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">Quran (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy."</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">Quran (8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence is to convert to Islam. Prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religions Five Pillars</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">Quran (9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..."</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">Quran (9:20) - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant." </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">The "striving" spoken of here is Jihad.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">"People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews. This was one of the final "revelations" from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad's companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in just the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!" </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">Quran (9:88) - "But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper." </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">ඉතින් සහොදරයිනි මේක වෛරයක් නෙමෙයි නපුර හදුනාගෙන හැකිතරම් එයට හසු නොවි සිටින්න කෙනෙකුට මේ කුරානයෙ කුරානය කියලා නොදැන කියවලා යමක් කියන්න කිව්වොත් ඕහු කුමක් කියයිද? ආගමික දෙයක මොනම අවස්තාවකදි උනත් අන්න්ය ආගමෙ අය මරන්න කියන්නෙ මොන දෙවියාද? මෙකට උත්තර නැතිව එ අය කියන්නේ මේ යුද්ද කරන මොහොතක ආල්ලා කියපු දෙවල් කියලා? එහෙම වෙන්නෙ කොහොමද? අල්ලා මොහොමඩ්ට මේ වාකය කියන කොට ඉස්ලාම් ආගමක් ත්බුනෙද? අරි එක තැනක ආල්ලාට මල පැනලා කෙන්ති ගියා කියමු නමුත් හැම තැනම මේ වෛරය වපුරන්නෙ හැම තිස්සෙම මලෙන් කියලා කියන්නද? ඉතින් මේවා මේ අයට කියලා වැඩක් නැ මේ ආගමට බැදුන කෙනෙකුට අයෙත් හරි මර්ගයට එන්න නම් සාතන් ඉඩ දෙන්න්නෙ නැමෙක ලොකයෙ ලොකුම මුලාවයි මෙය ලොකයෙ ලොකුම මුසාවයි. එක නිසා මේ ගැන කතා නොකර අපි බුදුහාමුදුරුවන් කියනවා වග් හිකිතාක් කුසල් කරමින් අකුසල් වලින් ඇත්වෙලා ඉමු </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">මම කලින් මෙහෙම විවේචනවලට අවේ නැ නමුත් මෙහෙ වෙන දෙවල් දැකලා ඇස් කන් වහගෙන ඉන්න්ම බැරි වුනා නමුත් ඕබගෙ සිත රිදිමක් උනාන්ම් සමාවන්න මිත්රයා</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">එ එක්කම අපි හරියට දැන්නෙ නැති මේ වාක්ය කියපු අවස්තාවන් අපට තෙරුම් කරලා දෙන්න </span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Y2K, post: 10130766, member: 35049"] [SIZE="4"]The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter. Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, most of the verses of violence in the Quran are open-ended, meaning that the historical context is not embedded within the surrounding text. They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subjective as anything else in the Quran. Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to abrogate or even balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. This proclivity toward violence - and Muhammad's own martial legacy - has left a trail of blood and tears across world history. Ok Mr.Al Baik Try hard to Justify these statements (Unfortunately you can not say these verses are changed by human because you people say Quran is not currupted and it is strieght from Allah (GOD) Quran (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah." Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things." Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding caravans with this verse. Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah'). Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle, as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. Here is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers. Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…" Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks." Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement" Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle. Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah" Quran (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember." Quran (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy." Quran (8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..." Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence is to convert to Islam. Prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religions Five Pillars Quran (9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..." Quran (9:20) - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant." The "striving" spoken of here is Jihad. Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." "People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews. This was one of the final "revelations" from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad's companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in just the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths. Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!" Quran (9:88) - "But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper." ඉතින් සහොදරයිනි මේක වෛරයක් නෙමෙයි නපුර හදුනාගෙන හැකිතරම් එයට හසු නොවි සිටින්න කෙනෙකුට මේ කුරානයෙ කුරානය කියලා නොදැන කියවලා යමක් කියන්න කිව්වොත් ඕහු කුමක් කියයිද? ආගමික දෙයක මොනම අවස්තාවකදි උනත් අන්න්ය ආගමෙ අය මරන්න කියන්නෙ මොන දෙවියාද? මෙකට උත්තර නැතිව එ අය කියන්නේ මේ යුද්ද කරන මොහොතක ආල්ලා කියපු දෙවල් කියලා? එහෙම වෙන්නෙ කොහොමද? අල්ලා මොහොමඩ්ට මේ වාකය කියන කොට ඉස්ලාම් ආගමක් ත්බුනෙද? අරි එක තැනක ආල්ලාට මල පැනලා කෙන්ති ගියා කියමු නමුත් හැම තැනම මේ වෛරය වපුරන්නෙ හැම තිස්සෙම මලෙන් කියලා කියන්නද? ඉතින් මේවා මේ අයට කියලා වැඩක් නැ මේ ආගමට බැදුන කෙනෙකුට අයෙත් හරි මර්ගයට එන්න නම් සාතන් ඉඩ දෙන්න්නෙ නැමෙක ලොකයෙ ලොකුම මුලාවයි මෙය ලොකයෙ ලොකුම මුසාවයි. එක නිසා මේ ගැන කතා නොකර අපි බුදුහාමුදුරුවන් කියනවා වග් හිකිතාක් කුසල් කරමින් අකුසල් වලින් ඇත්වෙලා ඉමු මම කලින් මෙහෙම විවේචනවලට අවේ නැ නමුත් මෙහෙ වෙන දෙවල් දැකලා ඇස් කන් වහගෙන ඉන්න්ම බැරි වුනා නමුත් ඕබගෙ සිත රිදිමක් උනාන්ම් සමාවන්න මිත්රයා එ එක්කම අපි හරියට දැන්නෙ නැති මේ වාක්ය කියපු අවස්තාවන් අපට තෙරුම් කරලා දෙන්න [/SIZE] [/QUOTE]
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