Let There Be NO Compulsion in Religion

[sri_lion]

r u a Buddhist sri_lion ?

You may think of me as a free thinker with a lot of interest and respect towards Buddhism

02. However, karma does not provide a powerful enough motivation for someone who has not made a sincere decision to be virtuous, because people who accept the idea of karma believe that the wheel of birth and death is endless and that they will inevitably be reborn after every death.

Then what does? There can be very few means of motivations to this.. either you understand what you do and correct yourself.. else you wait for an external source to correct you like a GOD for example

At this moment I see no GOD can help me... but I definitely have the ability to correct myself.. so which one you think is a viable and immediate solution?

Wait for GOD ? or Act yourself?

They might think they will have an infinite number of chances. So when they do evil, they may think: "Even if I have a worse life next time, I can make up for it in the life after that".

If they do EVIL they are already going out of what Buddhism says!

Has any religion in this world successfully put a complete stop to EVIL? This is the human nature.. that is why Lord Buddha has always mentioned that "You are accountable for your own action.."

And the it is also the very CORE of Buddhism which always refer to Human Nature to correct human not to any god!!

Thus we see that a philosophy based on such unsound foundations is incapable of keeping people from doing evil.

Absolutely baseless argument, there has never been a philosophy that successfully prevented people from doing EVIL..

Though those whom claim that human is GOD's creation... then the GOD could have made human pure and full of spiritual thoughts so that no human would ever do EVIL... so as you see this would be the ONLY solution to the problem!!

Which as we all know has not happened.. WHY?

Attachment to the life of this world is a weakness most people have. This attachment is the main reason why they come to accept a belief such as reincarnation - they absolutely refuse to give up their attachment to the earthly life.

Same can be said about other religions.. people refuse to take responsibility of and ownership of their own actions.. this is human nature... thus they gladly believe in GOD concepts.. since that's the most easiest way to get rid of it and it is the most easiest way to generalize what you have no idea of!!

Until you realize that no one will ever help you... unless you help yourself!

 

[3.5G]

then u r a atheist ? an atheist who respects Buddhism !!

atheists say that there are no gods Buddhism doesn't say that. "deviyo" are just some other creatures like humans they are just not in our dimension and they have strengths and weaknesses when compared to human. Its not atheist or theist

do u believe "deviyo" concept ? sri lion and madura ?
Do you think that darwins theory is correct ?sri lion and madura ?

 

[sri_lion]

Will reply you tonight.... at work now!

 

[3.5G]

Will reply you tonight.... at work now!

me 2 lil busy !!! we will continue this later !!

 

[madurax86]

then u r a atheist ? an atheist who respects Buddhism !!



do u believe "deviyo" concept ? sri lion and madura ?
Do you think that darwins theory is correct ?sri lion and madura ?

yes for both, deviyo are creatures too but they have certain weaknesses and strengths compared to humans. But i dont believe that some god or deviyek bulit the universe or earth- you know the universe is expanding so to expand it need a starting force scientists explain it with "big bang theory" if some made the universe in a still position, who gave it the starting force?
Darwin's theory has enough proof to believe that its true so i do believe it, and it doesnt interfear with Buddhism either its said in Buddhism that creatures evolve to their environment.

 

[gazaly]

Ahahaha yeaah


There are many errors in Islam too.

oya thaam innawa Eda mama ahuw Ekata Oya Uththara Dunneyth Nahaney..
Oyata Arabic Dannawada Haa?

 

[madurax86]

01. "but empty space. " empty space means ?

some where your are and you are not

"This is why the consciousness of nirvana is said to be "without surface" (anidassanam), for it doesn't land. Because the consciousness-aggregate covers only consciousness that is near or far, past, present, or future — i.e., in connection with space and time — consciousness without surface is not included in the aggregates. It's not eternal because eternity is a function of time. And because non-local also means undefined, the Buddha insisted that an awakened person — unlike ordinary people — can't be located or defined in any relation to the aggregates in this life; after death, he/she can't be described as existing, not existing, neither, or both, because descriptions can apply only to definable things."
more at http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/thanissaro/nirvanaverb.html

02. However, karma does not provide a powerful enough motivation for someone who has not made a sincere decision to be virtuous, because people who accept the idea of karma believe that the wheel of birth and death is endless and that they will inevitably be reborn after every death. They might think they will have an infinite number of chances. So when they do evil, they may think: "Even if I have a worse life next time, I can make up for it in the life after that". Thus we see that a philosophy based on such unsound foundations is incapable of keeping people from doing evil. Attachment to the life of this world is a weakness most people have. This attachment is the main reason why they come to accept a belief such as reincarnation - they absolutely refuse to give up their attachment to the earthly life.

thats some mumbo jumbo from a non buddhist who hasnt understood buddhsim correctly true that people misunderstand buddhism is a negative religion..but its not it just explains why we are here and how to end suffering, and there are ways described on how to make your present life important and developed. Buddhism doesnt say that if someone dies on earth he/she should be born on earth again..people who dont believe or dont know about rebirth are the ones who spoil the environment trying get every inch of fun before they die because they think that its their only chance

 

[3.5G]

yes for both, deviyo are creatures too but they have certain weaknesses and strengths compared to humans.

But i dont believe that some god or deviyek bulit the universe or earth- you know the universe is expanding so to expand it need a starting force scientists explain it with "big bang theory" if some made the universe in a still position, who gave it the starting force?

Darwin's theory has enough proof to believe that its true so i do believe it, and it doesnt interfear with Buddhism either its said in Buddhism that creatures evolve to their environment.

Then u say that the universe or earth wasn't created ?
Do u agree with this "big bang theory" ? I mean do u say that big bang theory is correct ?

 

[sri_lion]

then u r a atheist ? an atheist who respects Buddhism !!

I already told you what's my point of view and who I am!

do u believe "deviyo" concept ? sri lion and madura ?
Do you think that darwins theory is correct ?sri lion and madura ?

I don't believe... and even if GOD existed GOD has no impact on where the human life leads..

I do believe in Darvin's Theory of evolution!

 

[3.5G]

Do u agree with this "big bang theory" ?

 

[gazaly]

Ko mey Nadeesha eya maru unaney Edaa..

 

[madurax86]

Then u say that the universe or earth wasn't created ?
Do u agree with this "big bang theory" ? I mean do u say that big bang theory is correct ?

how ever the universe is expanding -big band theory was used to explain how it started, they cant say whether it exactly happened but if someone created the expanding of the universe cant happen because theres no reason to make some thing expand that you create to expand thru all these years it needs a force because of the momentum gained on an explosion or "creation" doesnt have any forces to stop them so it keeps on going. I dont say thats big bang theory that exactly happened at the start, but i can agree on the logic its based on its all mass and energy - bombs are associated with this too

 

[nadeeshaF]

Ko mey Nadeesha eya maru unaney Edaa..

LIAR!

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http://elakiri.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3756392&postcount=51
http://elakiri.com/forum/showthread.php?t=136516&page=6

 

[Isuru Nayanajith Bandara]

gud discussion

 

[3.5G]

how ever the universe is expanding -big band theory was used to explain how it started, they cant say whether it exactly happened but if someone created the expanding of the universe cant happen because theres no reason to make some thing expand that you create to expand thru all these years it needs a force because of the momentum gained on an explosion or "creation" doesnt have any forces to stop them so it keeps on going. I dont say thats big bang theory that exactly happened at the start, but i can agree on the logic its based on its all mass and energy - bombs are associated with this too

regarding Karma ..
To say that karma is a law that works by itself would be even more illogical than to claim that the laws of a country function of their own accord, with no-one to enforce them.

Imagine that the billions of people who have so far lived on this earth are to be given another life in which they will receive the just reward for whatever they have done. In that case,

who will observe how they behave while on earth? Who will decide whether they are good or bad? And who will decide on and arrange their next life in accordance with what they have done in this? If the life we have in our next incarnation depends on what we do in our present life, there must be some power that determines and plans our fate.
But in this case u say no no one is involved !!!

In karmic philosophy, however, there is no power of this kind. According to this vague and irrational belief, all of this happens by itself.

Moreover, it is also believed that this "law of karma"treats people justly and gives them the full and exact reward for their actions without overlooking anything or making mistakes, although this "law" has in fact no power to make decisions or judgements.

These are highly superstitious claims that any intelligent person will, if they give the matter any thought, immediately understand to be illogical.

 

[sri_lion]

regarding Karma ..
To say that karma is a law that works by itself would be even more illogical than to claim that the laws of a country function of their own accord, with no-one to enforce them.

Imagine that the billions of people who have so far lived on this earth are to be given another life in which they will receive the just reward for whatever they have done. In that case,

who will observe how they behave while on earth? Who will decide whether they are good or bad? And who will decide on and arrange their next life in accordance with what they have done in this? If the life we have in our next incarnation depends on what we do in our present life, there must be some power that determines and plans our fate.
But in this case u say no no one is involved !!!

In karmic philosophy, however, there is no power of this kind. According to this vague and irrational belief, all of this happens by itself.

Moreover, it is also believed that this "law of karma"treats people justly and gives them the full and exact reward for their actions without overlooking anything or making mistakes, although this "law" has in fact no power to make decisions or judgements.

These are highly superstitious claims that any intelligent person will, if they give the matter any thought, immediately understand to be illogical.

This is where it gets hilarious.... so are you saying that someone is watching over us accounting everything we do.. debiting and crediting it accordingly?

Sounds all right.... but has that been proved? If Karma we take into the next level is not proved.... and also if it is not proved that there's someone controlling this process.. how can you compare Karma and say that only Karma is illogical???

If you say something is illogical then you MUST present the logical side of it!!

So do you care to to explain the proved logics then?

 

[henderson]

regarding Karma ..
To say that karma is a law that works by itself would be even more illogical than to claim that the laws of a country function of their own accord, with no-one to enforce them.

Imagine that the billions of people who have so far lived on this earth are to be given another life in which they will receive the just reward for whatever they have done. In that case,

who will observe how they behave while on earth? Who will decide whether they are good or bad? And who will decide on and arrange their next life in accordance with what they have done in this? If the life we have in our next incarnation depends on what we do in our present life, there must be some power that determines and plans our fate.
But in this case u say no no one is involved !!!

In karmic philosophy, however, there is no power of this kind. According to this vague and irrational belief, all of this happens by itself.

Moreover, it is also believed that this "law of karma"treats people justly and gives them the full and exact reward for their actions without overlooking anything or making mistakes, although this "law" has in fact no power to make decisions or judgements.

These are highly superstitious claims that any intelligent person will, if they give the matter any thought, immediately understand to be illogical.

when it comes to illogical, god concept is seems much more illogical, simply speaking say earth has billions of humans and who knows how many intelligent beings living in the universe, so keeping track of everyone's actions is simply impossible even for a god (if god exists).

And why god keeps treating people differently, while giving American's enough crop to throw into water while starving African's. And why did he created a tsunami few years back just killing thousand's of people. when all sort of actions taking into the consideration my belief is simply a god won't do such disasters while killing millions of innocent human beings unless he is nuts (it is worst than any crime done by any human being). So it's makes principle of karma makes more sense to me rather than a god doing everything.

 

[sri_lion]

when it comes to illogical, god concept is seems much more illogical, simply speaking say earth has billions of humans and who knows how many intelligent beings living in the universe, so keeping track of everyone's actions is simply impossible even for a god (if god exists).

And why god keeps treating people differently, while giving American's enough crop to throw into water while starving African's. And why did he created a tsunami few years back just killing thousand's of people. when all sort of actions taking into the consideration my belief is simply a god won't do such disasters while killing millions of innocent human beings unless he is nuts (it is worst than any crime done by any human being). So it's makes principle of karma makes more sense to me rather than a god doing everything.

ABOVE ALL...

God is God... he must be having everything he needs to survive... he is the God and what can be above god.... right?

Then actually what's the reason that the God created Universe and everything in it in the first place? Why?

- He felt alone?
- He needed to show his power to some inferior beings?
- He needed attention or to be worshiped?
- Or was it a hobby?
- Or was he instructed to create us by someone higher than him? (which means there's someone above god too?)
- Or god need all these things for his own survival? (which means he is no almighty! )

What is it? in any case... it is SICK!! Because you have enough power to create all these things and you did.. now its a F*cking mess

 

[Halloween]

 

[henderson]

ABOVE ALL...

God is God... he must be having everything he needs to survive... he is the God and what can be above god.... right?

Then actually what's the reason that the God created Universe and everything in it in the first place? Why?

- He felt alone?
- He needed to show his power to some inferior beings?
- He needed attention or to be worshiped?
- Or was it a hobby?
- Or was he instructed to create us by someone higher than him? (which means there's someone above god too?)
- Or god need all these things for his own survival? (which means he is no almighty! )

What is it? in any case... it is SICK!! Because you have enough power to create all these things and you did.. now its a F*cking mess

to god concept to be acceptable I believe we must be inside a software like in the matrix film. So that he can control every thing as he wishes.