LIAR ! Do Not Come To SriLanka

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0]We are long way off from saying earth is flat..

Anyway... when the day comes that sun would rise from the other side there won't be any of us left on earth for Allah to have a judgement day, everything on earth are evolved to thrive on planet's current attributes.. there's won't be any humans to witness what you saying here..

What are YOU saying here ? when the day comes that sun would rise from the other side,and quran proved to be true word of God and God exists and God has made all that happen , it is not impossible for God to resurrect mankid ! Your in contradiction , what your saying is 'if an omnipotent all powerful almighty God that muslims beleive in does exist and the predictions do come true and its HE who made all that happen ' then there must be limits to His Power !

Among His signs is that you see the earth dry and barren; and when We send down rain on it, it stirs to life and swells. Surely God Who gives the dead earth life will raise the dead also to life. Indeed, He has power over all things. (41:39)

O mankind! If you are in doubt concerning the Resurrection, (consider that) We created you of dust, then of semen, then of a fertilized ovum suspended on the wall of the womb, then of a lump of flesh shaped and unshaped, so that We demonstrate to you Our power. And We keep in the wombs what We please to an appointed term, and afterwards We bring you forth as infants, then We cause you to grow up, that you reach your prime. Among you some die (young) and some are sent back to the feeblest phase of age so that they know nothing after they had knowledge. You sometimes see the earth dry and barren. But when We pour down rain on it, it trembles, and swells, and grows of every pleasant pair. That is so because God is the Truth, and He it is Who gives life to the dead, and He is powerful over all things. (22:5-6)

Does man think that he will be left to himself uncontrolled (without purpose)? Was he not a drop of fluid which gushed forth? Then he became a clinging clot; then He shaped and fashioned, and made of him a pair, the male and female. Is He then not able to raise the dead to life? (75:36-40)


Besides, there are lot of erroneous verses in Quran, that now we know of, that probably suited 5th century mindsets.. definitely not 21st century..

Prophets says.. when sun is setting it goes underneath god's throne.. if earth is god's throne where is he? :rolleyes:

Firstly you say the Quran and then quote the Hadith.Im sure you know the difference.In Islam there is the physical universe and the metaphysical ! You would say the same if i were to ask you where these 'little gods and beings lesser than humans' are. The phrase, “It goes (i.e. travels)” cannot be forced to mean that it travels around a fixed earth. Such an inference can be made if the words had been, “It goes on around the earth”. In the hadith, however, the phrase “It goes” simply means that it goes on in whatever orbit has been assigned to it.

The Sun prostrates when it reaches the Throne, yet in our scientific observation, the Sun is never seen to prostrate to any Throne. Instead, it is observed to be orbiting the center of our galaxy at a speed of about 800,000 kilometers per hour. The reason for our inability to observe the prostration of the Sun is that the Throne lies in the Unseen (the Gha'ib). The laws of physics hold true only in the physical universe (the Seen). The laws of the metaphysical universe (the Unseen) are known only to Almighty God or to whom He gives special sanction. It is not for us to speculate on the Unseen. Note also the following Qur’anic verses:



Here's more..

Looks like Prophet or Allah himself forgot to read earth's manual :lol: they forgot that in polar areas of earth day does outrun night.. and vise versa!

This also means.. that prophet thought sun is orbiting the earth... oopsi! :lol:

More...

So in our solar system how many planets according to Quran? 7

How many actually we have? 8 normal planets + 5 dwarf planet = 13 (almost double the amount Quran says)

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1.'It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor does the night outstrip the day. They all float, each in an orbit.- 36:39 '

If it were only the sun which was moving in a fixed direction, the verse which follows this statement would not have proclaimed that the sun and the moon strictly maintain their mutual distance; they will never be able to gain or move away from each other, an unchangeable destiny till their appointed time. This clearly shows that in whatever direction the sun is moving, the moon is also moving.

But it is not only the question of the sun and the moon. All the heavenly bodies are described in the Quran as soundlessly floating !

2.It is Allâh Who has created seven heavens and of the earth the like thereof (i.e. seven).- 65:12

If you take earth here it refers to the earth layer we live in (as in ground). for example from hadith Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 54 :: Hadith 418

Narrated Salim's father:

The Prophet said, "Any person who takes a piece of land unjustly will sink down the seven earths on the Day of Resurrection."

It has been proven recently that there are seven layers beneath the Earth.

Besides 'even' if you take it for 7 planets , how is it wrong ? NASA only last year 'revoked' pluto as a planet so their standardisation process is varying in itself and this is mentioned in the Quran even before NASA existed !!!

These are just a few there's more.. but for those who have the right mindset these are more than enough to see the nature of Quran.. what's more hilarious is that some people trying to overlap Quran and science and justify Quran is the most scientific religion of all time... like Dr. Motta Naik! :lol:

Haha 'thos who have the right mindset' in your definition who have already formed a biased verdict against the Quran and those who affirm the scientic authenticity of it are all beserk even if they are esteem men of science like the list i sent you before. I can accept if you say people try to overlap science and quran if it is even 10 or 15 instances and by nature they are prone to be mistake but there are NUMEROUS scientific facts in Quran which have only recently been discovered and proved true and even if you claim they have been put together by muhammed (pbuh) and had already been discovered by scientists before , there is no way such a number of them of them were combined without a single mistake and conveyed in such eloquent poetic language ! (this apart from the predictions that have coem true and historical accuracy)

Practicality doesn't always mean that it's the right thing to do... it only means that it's easier to do.. a Maruti car is affordable and practical but does that mean a Ferrari is a piece of shit? just because you cannot afford it? :lol:

Lame analogy ! Well my point is , religion or way of life shouldnt be to a person like what a 'ferrari is' ! something that only 1 in a million people get to own ! The right thing to do shouldnt be that impossible to achieve ! Ive also given social ,personal and security advantages previously ! Again having this principle in place is like carrying a slogan that says ' go ahead rape , murder , steal, we have rehab ' does not work !

The answer you your question is in the question itself.. you are asking whether or not Sri Lanka should've stopped the war, Sri Lanka is not Buddhism.

Sri Lanka is a country the word Sri Lanka is born out of political reasons, Sri Lankan constitution is not Buddhism (as in Sri Lanka doesn't take verses out of Tripitaka to rule the country), according to Buddhism YES you should not wage war on anyone.. violence of any form should be avoided... the more you struggle the more grief it cause to you.. why are we fighting back? because we love our country our heritage, our culture..... and guess what.. these are the things we hold dear and this is exactly what Buddhism says the more you like things the more you suffer.. hence there's middle path for you!

Sri Lanka and Buddhism are two different things! You cannot judge Sri Lanka's actions by Buddhism!

Lets not forget the majority of the monks that backed the war ! Thank goodness they did ! Well because they fought back they still have the culture the country the heritage the dignity and life ! They fought back so they are not suffering ! If they didnt, then they wouldve been opprssed by the LTTE removed from their land and thrown into streets ! That is called suffering and not middle path !

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    thopi thawath yuddayak athi karanna thama mey danagalanne.........moda bawdayanta thernne naha un ge eka agamak neme kiyala..bawda darshanya , muslim kenek tath hadaranna puluwan....
    there are good muslims...jsut neacuse some muslims do bad stuf, every muslim is not like tht.....ehenam miyenmara, korea, north korea, oya ratawal wala budhist lath pissu kellinne..ape rate JVP karayo minissu maruwey...

    anee ammapa...gon tharaka dala..agamwada athi karanwa...wena wada thopita ththenma nadda danne nah...muslim is a religion.. its based ob faith like cristianity..they blv there is a god... like u stupid budhsit blv tht there was budha and he said 500 jathaka katha..kawda danne oita wada kiwwa kiyala...
     

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    Persecution of Buddhists by Muslims

    Afghanistan


    The giant Bamiyan Buddhas were destroyed by the fundamentalist Taliban regime in 2001 in defiance of worldwide condemnation.

    Bangladesh
    The Buddhist communities of Bangladesh are under pressure from the military and police not to practice Buddhism, and Buddhists have suffered abuse, arrest, and even rapes. The government encourages Muslim settlement in Buddhist areas, as part of its campaign to promote Islam. According to Jumma exiles, torture and murder of Buddhists is a frequent occurrence.

    India


    Various personages involved in the revival of Buddhism in India such as Anagarika Dharmapala and the The Mahabodhi Movement of 1890s as well as Dr. B. R. Ambedkar hold the Muslim Rule in India responsible for the decay of Buddhism in India

    In 1193, Qutb-ud-din Aybak, a Turkish commander, seized control of Delhi, leaving defenseless the northeastern territories that were the heart of Buddhist India. The Mahabodhi Temple was almost completely destroyed by the invading muslim forces. One of Qutb-ud-Din's generals, Ikhtiar Uddin Muhammad Bin Bakhtiyar Khilji, invaded Magadha and destroyed the great Buddhist shrines at Nalanda. The Buddhism of Magadha suffered a tremendous decline under Khilji.

    In 1200 Muhammad Khilji, one of Qutb-ud-Din's generals destroyed monasteries fortified by the Sena armies, such as the one at Vikramshila. Many monuments of ancient Indian civilization were destroyed by the invading armies, including Buddhist sanctuaries[40] near Benares. Buddhist monks who escaped the massacre fled to Nepal, Tibet and South India.

    According to the Isdhoo (Laamu Atoll), monks from monasteries of the southern atoll of Haddhunmathi were brought to Malé and beheaded.

    Timur destroyed Buddhist establishments and raided areas in which Buddhism had flourished.

    Mughal rule also contributed to the decline of Buddhism. They are reported to have destroyed many Hindu temples and Buddhist shrines alike or converted many sacred Hindu places into Muslim shrines and mosques.Mughal rulers like Aurangzeb destroyed Buddhist temples and monasteries and replaced them with Islamic mosques.

    The Ladakh Buddhist Association has said: "There is a deliberate and organised design to convert Kargil's Buddhists to Islam. In the last four years, about 50 girls and married women with children were taken and converted from village Wakha alone. If this continues unchecked, we fear that Buddhists will be wiped out from Kargil in the next two decades or so. Anyone objecting to such allurement and conversions is harassed."

    Thailand

    Primarily Buddhist Thailand has been involved in a fight with Muslim insurgents in the South. Buddhists have been beheaded and clergy and teachers are frequently threatened with their lives. Shootings of Buddhists are quite frequent in the South, as are bombings, and attacking religious establishments.

    Muslims Destroy Temples in SriLanka...


    Are We The Next Victims?
     

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    Persecution of Buddhists by Muslims

    Afghanistan


    The giant Bamiyan Buddhas were destroyed by the fundamentalist Taliban regime in 2001 in defiance of worldwide condemnation.

    Bangladesh
    The Buddhist communities of Bangladesh are under pressure from the military and police not to practice Buddhism, and Buddhists have suffered abuse, arrest, and even rapes. The government encourages Muslim settlement in Buddhist areas, as part of its campaign to promote Islam. According to Jumma exiles, torture and murder of Buddhists is a frequent occurrence.

    India


    Various personages involved in the revival of Buddhism in India such as Anagarika Dharmapala and the The Mahabodhi Movement of 1890s as well as Dr. B. R. Ambedkar hold the Muslim Rule in India responsible for the decay of Buddhism in India

    In 1193, Qutb-ud-din Aybak, a Turkish commander, seized control of Delhi, leaving defenseless the northeastern territories that were the heart of Buddhist India. The Mahabodhi Temple was almost completely destroyed by the invading muslim forces. One of Qutb-ud-Din's generals, Ikhtiar Uddin Muhammad Bin Bakhtiyar Khilji, invaded Magadha and destroyed the great Buddhist shrines at Nalanda. The Buddhism of Magadha suffered a tremendous decline under Khilji.

    In 1200 Muhammad Khilji, one of Qutb-ud-Din's generals destroyed monasteries fortified by the Sena armies, such as the one at Vikramshila. Many monuments of ancient Indian civilization were destroyed by the invading armies, including Buddhist sanctuaries[40] near Benares. Buddhist monks who escaped the massacre fled to Nepal, Tibet and South India.

    According to the Isdhoo (Laamu Atoll), monks from monasteries of the southern atoll of Haddhunmathi were brought to Malé and beheaded.

    Timur destroyed Buddhist establishments and raided areas in which Buddhism had flourished.

    Mughal rule also contributed to the decline of Buddhism. They are reported to have destroyed many Hindu temples and Buddhist shrines alike or converted many sacred Hindu places into Muslim shrines and mosques.Mughal rulers like Aurangzeb destroyed Buddhist temples and monasteries and replaced them with Islamic mosques.

    The Ladakh Buddhist Association has said: "There is a deliberate and organised design to convert Kargil's Buddhists to Islam. In the last four years, about 50 girls and married women with children were taken and converted from village Wakha alone. If this continues unchecked, we fear that Buddhists will be wiped out from Kargil in the next two decades or so. Anyone objecting to such allurement and conversions is harassed."

    Thailand

    Primarily Buddhist Thailand has been involved in a fight with Muslim insurgents in the South. Buddhists have been beheaded and clergy and teachers are frequently threatened with their lives. Shootings of Buddhists are quite frequent in the South, as are bombings, and attacking religious establishments.

    Muslims Destroy Temples in SriLanka...


    Are We The Next Victims?

    yes yes...you are next...Dr.Zakir is coming over with a suitcase full of cyborg nazi soldiers zombies.......with whom we will invade sri lanka and toss all Buddhists into the titanic 2....and push it towards an ice berg....:rolleyes:

    :lol: :lol: :lol:

    just in case...i am joking...Dr. Zakir doesn't have a suit case full of cyborg nazi soldier zombies.....;);)
     

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    yes yes...you are next...Dr.Zakir is coming over with a suitcase full of cyborg nazi soldiers zombies.......with whom we will invade sri lanka and toss all Buddhists into the titanic 2....and push it towards an ice berg....:rolleyes:

    :lol: :lol: :lol:

    just in case...i am joking...Dr. Zakir doesn't have a suit case full of cyborg nazi soldier zombies.....;);)

    no that liyer comes and poison the minds of innocent people ..
    even now you think your religon is the no1 correct religon ..though it has errors u cant belive it.. well according to the plan of your boss he want come to srilanka..feel free to go to some other country and listen to his lies ...
    coz for some one who cant protect the valves of the Mother srilanka
    there is no change here... We Dont need a Holly War Here....
     

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    no that liyer comes and poison the minds of innocent people ..
    even now you think your religon is the no1 correct religon ..though it has errors u cant belive it.. well according to the plan of your boss he want come to srilanka..feel free to go to some other country and listen to his lies ...
    coz for some one who cant protect the valves of the Mother srilanka
    there is no change here... We Dont need a Holly War Here....

    no no no...dude...i never said Islam is the No.1 religion...i was fighting to show it was just like any other religion....:oo:

    i made it very clear from the beginning no?....:baffled:

    the thing is banz....muslims in sri lankan need Dr.Zakir to come in and solve a few internal problems....:oo::dull:
     

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    Sri Lanka is a country the word Sri Lanka is born out of political reasons, Sri Lankan constitution is not Buddhism (as in Sri Lanka doesn't take verses out of Tripitaka to rule the country), according to Buddhism YES you should not wage war on anyone.. violence of any form should be avoided... the more you struggle the more grief it cause to you.. why are we fighting back? because we love our country our heritage, our culture..... and guess what.. these are the things we hold dear and this is exactly what Buddhism says the more you like things the more you suffer.. hence there's middle path for you!

    Sri Lanka and Buddhism are two different things! You cannot judge Sri Lanka's actions by Buddhism!

    You are quick to differentiate the actions of people and country and yet you blame Islam for the action of a few that go clearly against its teachings ! There is also no Single muslim country on the planet today.

    According to budhism the more things you like the more you suffer ? So to not suffer at all you are not supposed to have desires at all ? That is incoherent with human nature completely ! Even babies have desires ! Not to mention , people dont suffer when their desires get fulfilled !
    Further what about liking to do good things ! Then to want love is suffering ! To desire to spend your life with some one ,to desire to raise a fam , desire to get an education , desiree to do social good all means you will suffer!

    NO It's not.. because your torment in its literal sense is torment.. in Buddhism if you don't mind getting reincarnated then it doesn't really matter, its really up to you, reincarnation is NOT a punishment from anyone..

    'If you dont really mind getting reincarnanet ?' So wheres the incentive or the consequence ? I can live however i want on this earth(even as hitler) cz i dont really mind getting re incarnated ! no punishment no nothing ! Cause - effect ? And besides thats not what i hear , budhists tell me you will get reincarnated as lesser beings if you live a bad life , like a dog or something. I will elaborate on this later below.....


    Chopping off a limb is not torture? says who? why don't you try it out and if you think it would be a walk in the park let me know! :lol:

    Like I said.. US may have the highest crime rates but they also rehab many of them back to society as normal people, sure there will cases that comes back but success is higher then failure.. but the good thing is the offender admit him/herself wrong and finds their inner potential and goes back to the society as someone whom can contribute to it!

    You reap what you sow and if you have sown 'torture' 'torture' is what you get ! Torture is when people not deserving punishment are punished ! This is not the case !!! Where is your success rate higher than failiure ! That is one isolated rehab centre and there is no guarantee that those people will not commit it again. This is not a chance we are willing to take with our mothers , sisters , friends , children in society !

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    Department of Psychology, Oklahoma State University, Stillwater 74078, USA.
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    A review of treatment studies with rapists suggests that the currently used cognitive-behavioral treatment strategies remain limited in their success'

    And what about the victim ? Why are her rights completely overlooked ? Your just telling her to swallow it up whilst the guy spends time in prison (which is luxury compared to where some of the culprits come from) and then go on to live normal lives ! As if nothing happened !


    'You talk about forgiveness, then the ultimate forgiveness should be this.. even if someone does wrong to you, you pardon them instead of seeking revenge in the form of justice.. it's a hard thing to do.. but it's the right thing to do!!'

    Its upto to the victim if he.she has it to forgive them and God applauses such acts but thats her/her right and there is no wrong if they choose not to!


    Who you kidding? can you read those verses again please.. you do understand English don't you?

    What does "plunder" means? please go and check the dictionary.... if plundering doesn't mean stealing then I don't know what is!

    Firstly the prophets language was not english and this was not told in english !! Its transliterated ! In Quran it is clear that stealing is haram and the plunder here is to take from in war times ! If not there will not be a follow up translation saying that 'who plunders conspicuosly is not of us' ! Plunder conspicuously meaning to 'steal' !

    plunder - 'to take the goods of by force (as in war)' - for example snatching away weapon of the enemy or enemy resources !

    WHY? when there's war... if someone is stealing its not consider stealing? what a joke.... :lol: please explain in detail.. thank you!

    Ive answered that before ! Dont twist my words

    And I've already mentioned about the "scientific" facts of Quran above... :lol: so I hope you can justify those first before talking about science through Islam! :lol:

    I already have and in my next post let me elaborate on the many more

    So what exactly is the cause of free will? you still did not justify the free will by god...

    As for our understanding free will is free without any clauses the thing that you talk about cannot be free will because it just approves only one thing and at the end it becomes a cause to treat people differently according to their "free" will.. then this is not free will... this is a dictatorship... as simple as that!

    If GOD want to give free will then he should treat all good people equally on judgement day regardless what faith they followed.. now that's real free will!!
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    God has given free will for us to worship Him out of choice and given us Quran and sent us messengers and prophets with reminders and signs for us ! The intuition towards God is innate within every human , and after all this if we still deny the existence of God altogether or give the mantle to something else (stones , man , fire) then we cannot expect forgiveness from someone we have denied the existence of in the first place ! or deemed unworthy of worship (for whatever reason we may have denied it cultural,egotistical) etc ! Yet God has revealed to us that the reward for those who deny Him (non muslims) will be in this world only !

    YES! according to Buddhism its the same Karma (karma is cause and effect), according to Buddhism its the "fault" nature of earth caused the effect of a Tsunami that killed those children and infants... no mysterious almighty here...

    P.S: I was expecting an answer to this in my previous reply... why Allah doesn't even allow dis-believers to talk on judgement day..
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    hehe you say no Mysterious Almighty , but yeah this 'mystical fault of earth karma' is very there ! According to this 'cause effect force of karma' if a child is born deformed its because karma has kicked in and the child is born deformed because he was a terrible sinner in the previous life ! This child might grow up to never remember his past life (almost always the case) !

    Secondly by budhist principles he should be looked at as a severe sinner in the past life , so are we to be compassionate to a deformed child who might potentially be a reincarnated prabhakaran or hittler? and if such compassion is shown to a sinner in the afterlife , im sure hittler and saddam have no regrets ! (deformed child is an example, it can be anything a tree a dog )

    Also want to touch up concept of 'nothingness' and prayer
     
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    Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
    Then he is not omnipotent.
    Is he able, but not willing?
    Then he is malevolent.
    Is he both able and willing?
    Then whence cometh EVIL?
    Is he neither able nor willing?
    Then why call him god?

    ==== Epicurus ===

    ok this is the 3rd time im posting this ! Please read ! It answers your 'epicurus' .BTW What makes you define evil and good

    http://hamzatzortzis.blogspot.com/2009/09/philosophical-theological-response-to.html
     

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    no no no...dude...i never said Islam is the No.1 religion...

    but your religion itself says that it's the NO1(only true) religion in the world.......(it's the only religion i have seen saying things like that......too much perfect i guess....and many muslims gets over confident by that,without even knowing about other religions)....so how can you say no..??
     

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    but your religion itself says that it's the NO1(only true) religion in the world.......(it's the only religion i have seen saying things like that......too much perfect i guess....and many muslims gets over confident by that,without even knowing about other religions)....so how can you say no..??


    its good you think and/or know that....but that wasn't my message....:oo:

    i know some ppl are too blind and ignorant for it.....so i won't bother wasting my time on that....:lol::lol::lol:
     

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    ok this is the 3rd time im posting this ! Please read ! It answers your 'epicurus' .BTW What makes you define evil and good

    http://hamzatzortzis.blogspot.com/2009/09/philosophical-theological-response-to.html

    lol they are not here for answers firoz85....don't bother

    these are the same ignorant fools....who couldn't even use their common sense to see they were used by the govt like pawns....

    to attack Sirasa through medium of akon....the puppets under a string...you think they are in charge...:lol::lol::lol:

    leave the poor sorry losers be...certain Buddhists are only Buddhists by name...for only one reason alone....be racist...and be actually proud of being racist....:lol::lol::lol:...post something that looks fancy...and think they can defeated a religion that Christians...Jews and many other forms of enemies have tired to defeat for centuries & failed ....:lol::lol:

    i say we let them have the nasty surprise in store for them....don't worry guys...its not a war...or a battle or a fight....its a different world altogether...:lol:;)


    please note i direct it at only the ignorant & racist Buddhists...if your a Buddhist by heart mind and soul who actually follows Lord Buddha's teachings of tolerance...don't need to be worried..this is not addressed to you....:);)
     
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