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Message: <blockquote data-quote="I love Srilanka" data-source="post: 10329035" data-attributes="member: 244944">My personal Question to Christians.01- Show me where Jesus himself say he says He is God & worship me: He did so in a variety of ways.Jesus accepted worship in John 9:38, Matthew 8:2; 28:9; 2:2; 14:33; Luke 24:52; 28:17.Just because worship is mentioned in these verses, do you prove Jesus is God? Don’t u feel that is very weakest logic? The word worship may not necessarily be used for GOD Almighty alone, even in the English language.  It could very well be used for showing a great respect for someone you highly regard or love. See the dictionary <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/worship" target="_blank">http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/worship</a>Notice in Luke 24:53 after 24.52(one of the verse which u mentioned above), it says "praising God" and not "praising Jesus".  After they finished greeting Jesus, who was given the power to heal the sick, cure the blind, and bring the dead into life, they returned to Jerusalem and Worshiped GOD AlmightyAccording to bible Jesus Him self had God and he worshipped and prayed to GodLet us look at Luke 5:16 "And he (Jesus) withdrew himself into the wilderness and prayed to his God."  Here we see that Jesus had a God, a supreme God, who is higher than him and stronger than him.  Jesus was God's servant and he prayed to God so God would strengthen him more and reinforce him with patience and desire to continue his mission in spreading the word of God Almighty.Also, let us look at Matthew 26:39 "And going a little way forward, he (Jesus) fell upon his face, praying and saying 'My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass away from me.  Yet, not as I will, but as you will.' "  Here in this verse we see two things:   (1) Jesus bowed down on his face and prayed in submission to his GOD in obedience.   (2) Jesus was begging his GOD to let the cup pass away from him.  Jesus did not have the power to will it for himself and make the cup pass away from Jesus.  GOD had to do it for Jesus !.  How can Jesus be the Creator of this Universe, the all knowing, most powerful??!!Also, let us look at Matthew 26:42 "Again, for the second time, he (Jesus) went off and prayed, saying: 'My Father, if it is not possible for this to pass away except I drink it, let your will take place.'"  My comments on this verse are similar to the above one (Matthew 26:39), Jesus begged his GOD to will what Jesus wanted to happen.  Jesus couldn't will it by himself.Also, let us look at Matthew 26:44 "So leaving them, he (Jesus) went off and prayed for the third time, saying once more the same word."  Here we see that Jesus for the third time begged his GOD to will what Jesus wished for in Matthew 26:39 above.  How can Jesus be the Creator of this Universe if he (1) begs, and (2) lacks power?!Even in the Old Testament, the foretold Prophet, Jesus, was said to have the Spirit of Fearing GOD Almighty in him:Isaiah 11:1-3 "1. A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.2. The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him (Jesus)-- the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit ofcounsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD (Jesus fearing his GOD)-- 3. and he will delight in the fear of the LORD. He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, ordecide by what he hears with his ears;""No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.  (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 24:36)"   Not even Jesus knows when the Hour will come!   How in the World can he be the Creator of the Universe?!So, lot of queries to be answered by you. My proofs are stronger than yours don’t u feel so.Jesus called Himself by the most Holy name of God in John 8:58.Jesus accepted Thomas saying to Jesus, "My Lord and My God" in John 20:28.The context of the verse talks about an unbelieving Thomas being surprised when Jesus offers him evidence.The exclamation, "My God," on his part was just astonishment. We use such exclamations everyday while talking to people. This doesn't mean that the person we are talking to is God.. Oh my God!! You are wrong here, that doesn’t mean you are GOD.Only God can forgive sins, and Jesus forgave sins against God in Matthew 9:2-6; Mark 2:5-12, Luke 5:20-23; 7:48-50.How does this make Jesus God? his is simple bad reading from the Christians on their own Bible, had the Christian read the first 4 Gospels in context they would see that Jesus being able to forgive sin was not something divine, but rather a power given to him by God, note what Jesus says when he forgave sin. Why you forget to mention this as wellJohn 17:6-8: 6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. 7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee. 8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send meJohn 13:3  Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to GodEven the men whom Jesus temporarily forgave, they were still never guaranteed any salvation, because their choices were still theirs, and the their Ultimate Destiny with GOD Almighty will only be met during the Day of Judgement when HE AND ONLY HE, the Almighty, will make all of the Judgment calls on every creation He Created. The temporal forgiveness of sins of some men doesn't raise Jesus to any level of Divinity.  It only shows and proves that he was no more than a temporary Prophet and a Messenger of GOD Almighty. Jesus said that he was not "good", and "only GOD alone is goodif Jesus was really God, he would not need to be given such a mighty power, he would OWN IT. My argument is not stronger than yours?Jesus would send His angels in Matthew 13:41, yet these are angels of God in Luke 12:8-9; 15:10. Psalm 91 clearly promises that Jesus will cry out to GOD Almighty for help, and GOD Almighty WILL send down the Angels to protect him from death and harm, how do you know this is his angel? Only God will send angel to protect Jesus, as he did for other prophets. It is another misconception that it is not his angel but angels assigned for him.we all know Jesus' famous and final cry to GOD Almighty when he said:  "Eloi Eloi lama sabachtani!", which translates: "My GOD my GOD, why have you forsaken me?" Matthew 27:46 Imagine God crying asking for protectionJesus said all are to honor the Son just as they honor the Father in John 5:23.Notice Jesus says that if you do not honour him then you do not honour the Father. Now what does that mean? You see folks, any person who does not believe in a prophet of God disbelieves in God also, why? Because God is commanding you to believe in those prophets, and God is sending them revelations, to deny the prophet is to deny God.So therefore by honouring Jesus, you honour the Father, because you believe in Jesus, which means you believe God sent him with his doctrine, and in doing so this honours the Father. In fact let us continue quoting the verses:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.Again Christians are hiding other next verse24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.Notice what Jesus is saying, he is saying the person who believes what he is saying, which is basically the doctrine of God, and believe in the ONE THAT SENT HIM will have everlasting life, which is heaven and they shall not be sent to eternal condemnation which is hell.This makes things even more clear now, to honour Jesus simply means believe in him, believe in him as a prophet, once you do this, you honour the Father since you believe the Father sent Jesus, and you believe in the doctrine of the Father, therefore you shall go to heaven!Jesus would judge the world in (Matthew 24:31-46, 25:31-3; John 5:21-22, 27). Yet is God who is coming to judge the world (Psalm 50:1-6; Joel 3:12; Deuteronomy 32:35)I get a bit of confusion here who judge the world John 12:47-4947"As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it. 48There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day. 49For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it.compared with John 5:22Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son,1 Peter 1:17Since you call on a Father who judges each man's work impartially, live your lives as strangers here in reverent fear.So as we see John 12 contradicts John 5 because John 12 says that Jesus does not judge certain people. However, John 5 says that all judgment is entrusted to Jesus. John 5 contradicts with 1 Peter because John 5 says that the Father judges no one but in 1 Peter we see that the Father does judge man's work.I know this is useless to you anyway just to see our viwers I will answer to all of ur false accusation remember this is a case against Christ  You brought out of context and hypothetical weak proof. Can u still say my proof are weak than yours.Nothing to refute or address here, but to make it clear once again that Jesus is inferior to the Father and that the Father is superior to Jesus. 1- Jesus prays to the Father 2- Jesus speaks of what he hears only, and who is he listening to? The Father 3- Jesus' doctrine which he preaches is not his own. Who does it belong to?  You guessed it, the FATHER. 4- Jesus submitted his will to who? His Father. 5- Who gave Jesus everything he had? Such as the several miracles he performed? The Father. 6- Was Jesus all-knowing? Who was smarter and who knew more? Him or the Father? Once again it was the FATHER, the Father knew more than Jesus, as Jesus himself said, no one knows the last hour accept who? ONLY THE FATHER. Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. Jesus saying only is very important, it basically means ONLY the Father knew when the hour was, not Jesus the man, nor Jesus the divine, meaning he is not all-knowing even if divine form! Meaning he is not God. Still You haven’t brought up for me a direct verse in which Jesus says “I’m GOD worship me”, whatever you brought is believed (hypothetical) to be supporting for Jesus being God. That has been refuted above. So still my question is open for you. Now can I go ahead with next rebuttal for your next answer or shall we agree on this first.</blockquote>

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