Nivana (Attainable or Not ???)

[AncientGlory]

first you have to know what is mahayana. it came from the vajjiputtaka bikkus. that you have heard the dasa akapa vattu. this happen in kalashoka kings period. behavior of those monks were couse to make a bad image among the people due to those akapa vattu.
so a set of arahath theras were decide to held a dhamma sangayana and show what is wrong and what is right according to vinaya pitaka.in that exam their akapa vattus are rejected according to vinaya and they are banished from the society of monks.
then they began a new one saying mahayana and hates to arahaths and bikkus.thats why they called us heena yaana. so that they say no one can be arahath but you can be a buddha and bhodi satwa concept made in mahayana. but any way they also devide into some more groups after some times ...

Hmm, I don't think this is accurate.

I'm almost sure that origin of the "Mahayana" has never been clearly established, but all sources indicate it began before the time of Third Buddhist council. There have been 18 sects of "Heenayana" at the time of Ashoka and it is fair to assume one of these sects may have evolved to "Mahayana". However most of the unbiased sources agree that precise origin of the mahayana is unclear. Just because we learned that Vajjiputtaka bikkus formed mahayana after the third buddhist council, in grade 9 buddhism book does not make it a fact.

Also the name "Heenayana" has nothing to do with "Mahayana" people hating other buddhist sects.

Also please note that the dispute arose because of a "vinaya" karana, not a dharma karana. It is fair to assume that Moggalipuththa tissa thero and some of Vajjiputtaka bikkus may have attained "arahath" state at the time. There is no evidence to say otherwise. It seems that the reason for the council was not only to take a decision about the "dasa akapa wasthu" but to purify the 'sangha' from the corrupted and bogus monks. To me it seems 'dasa akapa wasthu' are simple 'vinaya karana', which could have been resolved without a council. However because of the emperors generous contributions to the buddhism, many people have joined the 'sangha' for personal gain. This was why the third council was held.

Your answer does not provide a clue to why you consider theravada as the originally disclosed path. It seems that you are biased to an opinion because you were born to "Theravada" and you were taught it all your life. I think with out taking a side we need to walk in the middle line and look at the both sides, fairly.

Do not believe anything because you were taught, or because it comes to you by tradition or by birth.
-Buddha

 

[Mujaahid]

Hmm, I don't think this is accurate.

Your answer does not provide a clue to why you consider theravada as the originally disclosed path. It seems that you are biased to an opinion because you were born to "Theravada" and you were taught it all your life. I think with out taking a side we need to walk in the middle line and look at the both sides, fairly.

Do not believe anything because you were taught, or because it comes to you by tradition or by birth.
-Buddha

Ok finding the middle line is up to you. i cant force you to believe that theravada is the only true like muslims here. i just share my knowlede.

actually what we believe on supreme buddhas dhamma. we find that in theravada thripitaka. thats why we beleive on that. its not just a beleive we try to practice it. but some are messing up with obscure historic things and try to find something that he didn't know what actually it is.

if some body can show that teaching in the thripitaka is wrong this is the right thing then i consider on that. i do believe in a word of a supreme wisdom man but not ordinary humans

 

[Mujaahid]

Also please note that the dispute arose because of a "vinaya" karana, not a dharma karana. It is fair to assume that Moggalipuththa tissa thero and some of Vajjiputtaka bikkus may have attained "arahath" state at the time. There is no evidence to say otherwise. It seems that the reason for the council was not only to take a decision about the "dasa akapa wasthu" but to purify the 'sangha' from the corrupted and bogus monks. To me it seems 'dasa akapa wasthu' are simple 'vinaya karana', which could have been resolved without a council. However because of the emperors generous contributions to the buddhism, many people have joined the 'sangha' for personal gain. This was why the third council was held.

to you the dasa akapa wattus are simple vinaya karana which can simple resolved without council. but to moggalaputtha thera at that time take many of example from sutta pitaka to show that deeds are wrong. its mention in mahawansa..
dhamma vinaya are came as a combined thing after the establishment of 1st sangayana. if someone say some one can have pure dhamma without pure vinaya thats really a funny thing. as example now a days we can see how currupted the sangas and their deeds. at the same time we can see how curupt the dhamma bcoz of those monks personal thoughts. thats wht actually happen in that time.
earning profit and spending luxury life is not the vinaya as well as dhamma. monks should like to have a calm and isolate life to practice the dhamma. you can see this example in thousand of suttas
ex:majjima nikaya -bhadhdhekaraththa sutta set

 

[AncientGlory]

Ok finding the middle line is up to you. i cant force you to believe that theravada is the only true like muslims here. i just share my knowlede.

actually what we believe on supreme buddhas dhamma. we find that in theravada thripitaka. thats why we beleive on that. its not just a beleive we try to practice it. but some are messing up with obscure historic things and try to find something that he didn't know what actually it is.

if some body can show that teaching in the thripitaka is wrong this is the right thing then i consider on that. i do believe in a word of a supreme wisdom man but not ordinary humans

I know findings are up to me. Its funny that you talk about muslims, you challenge them saying why do you believe something just because you were born to it and yet you can't see the hypocrisy in your words. You believe supreme buddha's dhamma is theravada because you were born to it. You clearly showed that you have no clue what mahayana is about when you said, Mahayana people hate bikkus and rahatha and that's why they call us "heena yana". With out babbling pointless words its better if you just do some home work before coming out.

I do not need to convince you anything. There was no question about whether thripitaka was wrong or right. It was a question about why people consider theravada is supreme. In fact my question was not even pointed at you. It was pointed to a person who has a deep understanding of the subject(Or I thought so). Not at an amateur who doesn't even know the meaning of the word mahayana.

For future, just because you know few things taken from here and there, don't think everybody is like that. There are people who might be genuinely interested to know things, and they are not seeking answers from amateurs like you.

 

[AncientGlory]

to you the dasa akapa wattus are simple vinaya karana which can simple resolved without council. but to moggalaputtha thera at that time take many of example from sutta pitaka to show that deeds are wrong. its mention in mahawansa..

So you are one of those people who believe in mahawansa??? I guess then you also believe that Sinhalese people comes from a rapist, a thief, a plunderer?

dhamma vinaya are came as a combined thing after the establishment of 1st sangayana. if someone say some one can have pure dhamma without pure vinaya thats really a funny thing.

First of all I don't see the joke here. What's funny???

Secondly what's your point? Did anyone say anything about dhamma can exist without vinaya??

Thirdly this is just plain ridiculous. Why can't you have dhamma without vinaya?? Just read suthra and abhidharma pitaka, dhamma is there.

earning profit and spending luxury life is not the vinaya as well as dhamma. monks should like to have a calm and isolate life to practice the dhamma. you can see this example in thousand of suttas
ex:majjima nikaya -bhadhdhekaraththa sutta set

And your point is???

 

[Mujaahid]

So you are one of those people who believe in mahawansa??? I guess then you also believe that Sinhalese people comes from a rapist, a thief, a plunderer?


First of all I don't see the joke here. What's funny???

Secondly what's your point? Did anyone say anything about dhamma can exist without vinaya??

Thirdly this is just plain ridiculous. Why can't you have dhamma without vinaya?? Just read suthra and abhidharma pitaka, dhamma is there.


And your point is???

im sorry for answering you before brother.
my believe is depend on following points:

1. alobaya yanu sathwayata hitha pinasa pawatina deyaki
2. adhweshaya yanu sathwayata hitha pinisa athi deyaki
3. amohaya yanu sathwayat hitha suwa pinisa pawatina deyaki

yam dharmayaka lobha dvesha moha dhurukarana dharmayak dheshana karaidha eyama uthum dharmayak we. ei ekama dahama widiyata ma dhakinne budhu dahama pamani.

bauthika loka wala hirawee thaniyama hitha hitha puhu gatalu wala ethi ethi yana mannakkarayan samaga viwada kireema gangata ini kapeemaki

 

[AncientGlory]

im sorry for answering you before brother.
my believe is depend on following points:

1. alobaya yanu sathwayata hitha pinasa pawatina deyaki
2. adhweshaya yanu sathwayata hitha pinisa athi deyaki
3. amohaya yanu sathwayat hitha suwa pinisa pawatina deyaki

yam dharmayaka lobha dvesha moha dhurukarana dharmayak dheshana karaidha eyama uthum dharmayak we. ei ekama dahama widiyata ma dhakinne budhu dahama pamani.

bauthika loka wala hirawee thaniyama hitha hitha puhu gatalu wala ethi ethi yana mannakkarayan samaga viwada kireema gangata ini kapeemaki

මිතුර,

ඔබේ පිලිතුරු වලට බොහොමත්ම තුති. උපතින්ම බෞද්ධ පහස ලැබීම ඔබත් මාත් ලද භාග්‍යයක්.

මගේ ගැටලුව දහම් කරුණක් සම්බන්ද වූවක් නොවේ. ඔබ බුදු දහමේ සත්‍යය දකී. නමුත් මහායානය යනුද බුදු දහම තමා. ඒ පිලිබඳ යමක් නොදැන වැරදි කියා බැහැර කිරීම මුලාවක් කියා තමා මට සිතෙන්නේ.

සක්කාය දිට්ඨි නැති කිරීම ඔබ නිවන් මගේ යන විට පලමුව පසු කරන කඩුල්ලයි. තමාට නිවැරදි යයි හැඟෙන දේ පිලිගන්නා අතරම අන් අයගේ අදහස් වලටද විවෘත මනසක් ඇති වීම මෙහි කොටස්ක් ලෙස මා දකිනවා.

භෞතික ලෝක වල හිරවී තනියම හිත හිත යන පුහු මාන්නක්කාරයන්ට ඔවුන්ගේ ලෝකයේ සිටීමට ඉඩ දෙන්න. ඔවුන් පුහු මාන්නක්කාරයන් වනුයේ ඔබට වැටහෙන් පමණින්, ඔබේ අර්ත දැක්වීම් වලට අනුවයි. සමහර විට ඔබට වැටහෙන දෙය වැරදි වෙන්නත් පුලුවන් නේද?

ඇතම් පුදගලයන්ට අනුව සත්‍යයට ලඟා විය හැක්කේ තනියම තමාම හිත හිතා යාමෙන් පමණයි. එවැනි පුද්ගලයන් ඔබත් දන්නවා ඇති.සමහර අය(මා වගේ) මේ ගමනේදී නොයෙක් දේ පිලිබඳ ප්‍රශ්න නගනවා. ඔබේ අර්ථ කථනයට අනුව ඒ දේවල් පුහු දේ වෙන්න පුලුවන්. මෙහිදී ඔබට කල හැකි දේ දෙයාකාරයි. කැමති නම් හැකිනම් බුද්දිධිමත් විදිහට එම ප්‍රශ්නවලට පිලිතුරු දෙන්න. නැති නම් එම පුහු දෙයින් ඈත් වන්න.

ඔබ පිලිතුරු දීම මා ඉතා අගයනවා. නමුත් මෙවැනි දෙයක් ඔබ පල කල විට

but some are messing up with obscure historic things and try to find something that he didn't know what actually it is.

ඊට සමාන පිලිතුරු බලාපොරොත්තු වන්න.

දහම් කරුනු ගැන විවාදයක් නොමැත. උපතින් බෞද්ධයන් නොවී අවබෝධයෙන් බෞද්ධයන් වීමට විවෘත මනසකින් යුතු විය යුතු බවත්, බුදු දහම තුල සැබවින්ම කංඩායම් නැති බවත් එබැවින් ථේරවාදය පමණක් සත්‍ය බවත් මහායානය අසත්‍ය බවත් වැනි පුහු කතා කීමට අප ඉක්මන් නොවිය යුතු බව මගේ හැඟීමයි.

 

[Mujaahid]

මිතුර,

ඔබේ පිලිතුරු වලට බොහොමත්ම තුති. උපතින්ම බෞද්ධ පහස ලැබීම ඔබත් මාත් ලද භාග්‍යයක්.

මගේ ගැටලුව දහම් කරුණක් සම්බන්ද වූවක් නොවේ. ඔබ බුදු දහමේ සත්‍යය දකී. නමුත් මහායානය යනුද බුදු දහම තමා. ඒ පිලිබඳ යමක් නොදැන වැරදි කියා බැහැර කිරීම මුලාවක් කියා තමා මට සිතෙන්නේ.

සක්කාය දිට්ඨි නැති කිරීම ඔබ නිවන් මගේ යන විට පලමුව පසු කරන කඩුල්ලයි. තමාට නිවැරදි යයි හැඟෙන දේ පිලිගන්නා අතරම අන් අයගේ අදහස් වලටද විවෘත මනසක් ඇති වීම මෙහි කොටස්ක් ලෙස මා දකිනවා.

භෞතික ලෝක වල හිරවී තනියම හිත හිත යන පුහු මාන්නක්කාරයන්ට ඔවුන්ගේ ලෝකයේ සිටීමට ඉඩ දෙන්න. ඔවුන් පුහු මාන්නක්කාරයන් වනුයේ ඔබට වැටහෙන් පමණින්, ඔබේ අර්ත දැක්වීම් වලට අනුවයි. සමහර විට ඔබට වැටහෙන දෙය වැරදි වෙන්නත් පුලුවන් නේද?

ඇතම් පුදගලයන්ට අනුව සත්‍යයට ලඟා විය හැක්කේ තනියම තමාම හිත හිතා යාමෙන් පමණයි. එවැනි පුද්ගලයන් ඔබත් දන්නවා ඇති.සමහර අය(මා වගේ) මේ ගමනේදී නොයෙක් දේ පිලිබඳ ප්‍රශ්න නගනවා. ඔබේ අර්ථ කථනයට අනුව ඒ දේවල් පුහු දේ වෙන්න පුලුවන්. මෙහිදී ඔබට කල හැකි දේ දෙයාකාරයි. කැමති නම් හැකිනම් බුද්දිධිමත් විදිහට එම ප්‍රශ්නවලට පිලිතුරු දෙන්න. නැති නම් එම පුහු දෙයින් ඈත් වන්න.

ඔබ පිලිතුරු දීම මා ඉතා අගයනවා. නමුත් මෙවැනි දෙයක් ඔබ පල කල විට



ඊට සමාන පිලිතුරු බලාපොරොත්තු වන්න.

දහම් කරුනු ගැන විවාදයක් නොමැත. උපතින් බෞද්ධයන් නොවී අවබෝධයෙන් බෞද්ධයන් වීමට විවෘත මනසකින් යුතු විය යුතු බවත්, බුදු දහම තුල සැබවින්ම කංඩායම් නැති බවත් එබැවින් ථේරවාදය පමණක් සත්‍ය බවත් මහායානය අසත්‍ය බවත් වැනි පුහු කතා කීමට අප ඉක්මන් නොවිය යුතු බව මගේ හැඟීමයි.

very nice answer friend im really thank for you for showing my faults. im 100% agree with you

 

[AncientGlory]

very nice answer friend im really thank for you for showing my faults. im 100% agree with you

Respect brother.

 

[Damith Kariyawasam]

hello kiwwa hamotama. mama meheta aawe godaa kaalekin. kaalekata kalin sindu pissuwak thibunaa... aewa hoyanna issara aawe. ada mee aawe podi wadak karagena yana gaman, amathaka wechcha user names/password ekak hoyanna. kalin mama log una thanak handa.

ithin me aya dan kathaawena maatrukaawa thamai mageth dan main task eka!
mama kalin 'kalyanamithra' ge threads ehemanam baluwa. dan nam me mathrukaawa gana hondatama dannawa. ithin me ayage heading ekata uttharaya nam Niwana is Definitely Attainable! & I did it!!! mama witharakuth newei, langama yaaluwo keepa denekuth innawa. Budurajaanan Wahanse hitiyanam aeaya gana kiyaawi. mata kiyanna puluwan mama ganai, mama kittuwenma aasraya karana yaaluwo 2-3n denekui innawa nithara munagahena, kathaa baha karana, anna aeayaganai nam. unuth Completed! atthatama awanka uwamanaawakin, Budurajaanan Wahanse kiyala deepu widiyatama kenek me sandahaa uthsaha kaloth, aaye mehema me goda denekuta awilla thiyena prashna enne naha! me wadakata nathi wikaara kiyawana, mahaa prashna, awul godaak hadaagena dangalana aya wadeta atthata bahapu aya newei! goda peenala, baila gahana aya!! api dan meka master karala iwarai. dan kaatawath boru karanna, boruya kiyala kiyanna baha.

atthatama thiyenawa mehema deyak! meka hareema amaarui!!!!!!!! aeth amaaruwen unath api karannama one! nathinam api mepaarath loss wenawa! anithya kiyana wachane theruma thamantama therichcha aya dannawa neda meka kal dadaa inna welaawak newei. dan Gauthama Buddha Raajyaya Babalanna aran. me tika kaaleta kohoma hari try karala goda yana ayata arenna eelangata aaye Dharma Maargaya wahilaa yaawi. inpasse nam Mithree Budurajaanan enakanma balan inna wei. dan yana rataawata aaye idak thiyeyi kiyala hithanna baha. me thread eketh athi awabodhaya sampoorna wechcha aya for sure!

me hunga denek karanne 'gedaradi bima watichcha indikattak, paare light kanuwak yata hoyanawa wagei, ethana eliya thiyana handa! oyyala atharen atthatama me subject ekata uwamanaawak thiyena aya enna api prayojanawath wadak karamu. dan api ikmanata karanna one me wawilaa thiyena katu akul suddha karalaa thawa sahenna kaalekata Dharma Maargaya Aarakshaawenna uwamanaa wena hamadeyakma karana ekai. mulinma karanna one mamath dan Dharma Maargaya sampoorna kalaa kiyala 100%kma danna lokuuuuuu pirisak nirmaanaya karana ekai. ethakota Gauthama Buddha Raajyaya wachanayen witharak newi atthatama Babalawatha hakiyi!

mama nam haamuduru kenek ehema newei. aeth mamai mage langama inna mata Dharmaya genaapu yaaluwai, thawa allagtthu 2-3 denayai karanne aekai. mama dan thru unaata mata Dharmaya nolabunaanam kiyala hithenakota harima bayai, dukai. ape langa inna puluwan tharam ayata puluwantharam allala dennai, eelangata ena paramparaawata hondata shakthimathwa hadala thiyana eka ape duty eka hatiyatai matanam hithennema. iwasan innama barithana mamath thread ekak patan gattha habai meke nam newei. eka thanakin wade karamu. Budurajaanan Wahansege Aarya Sraawakayo hama kenaama ekai. kawuruhari mata kiyanna meke external links dammata kamak nadda kiyala... mata hithenawa mama patan gatthu thana hondai kiyala... mehe kalyanamithara ehema saahena kaaleka indala yamak karanawane. ehe mewenakam mokuth dakke naha...

 

[dev.sahan01]

after 1000 years from Buddha death no one attain Arratship ??? Dont you know that?

Y2K මිත්‍යා දෘෂ්ඨිකය, තමුන්ගේ හිස් වචන නවත්වගන්න! ආර්ය මාර්ගයේ ගමන් කරන පුද්ගලයින්ව එයින් වලක්වන්න හදනවා තරම් පාපයක් තවත් නැති වෙයි. තමුන්ගේ "හිස්", විහිලු දේවවාදී ආගමත් තියාගෙන පැත්තකට වුනොත් හොඳයි. Ajaan Chaa, Ajan Mun, Ajaan Maha Boova, Ven. Rerukana Chandawimala වැනි තෙරවරුන් සහ සිල් මාතා Kaew වැනි උත්තම උත්තමවියන් මෑත කාලයේ පහල වුනු රහතන් වහන්සේලායි. How do you know no one has attained Arahantship after 1000 years from The Buddha's Parinibbana? What is your purpose? HOW DO YOU KNOW????? Who are you? Shut your sinful mouth & please go away. I am sorry if my words hurt you, but I had to say it. I know you are not a Buddhist. Keep your wrong views to yourself and go do whatever you like with it. You are discouraging the ones in the right path!.I know this is an old thread, and this is my last reply to any of your posts.