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<blockquote data-quote="AncientGlory" data-source="post: 7302734" data-attributes="member: 262433"><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">First please explain to me how I am a hypocrite?</span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Then If you want to highlight something happened in the past by all means do so. Jesus or Buddha or Krishna or whatever. I have no problem with that. I'm just highlighting one incident that interests me. You babbling and complaining about it does not make me a hypocrite.</span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">And you are damn right when you say you do not know whether I'm a Buddhist or not. YOU DO NOT.</span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">And no one has said you are a hypocrite. Maybe in your mind you assume that you are a hypocrite, but no need to share it in public.</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Thank you for accepting this truth.</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">No I do not know that. Are you speaking of 1% of marriages in Islam or 1% of marriages in the countries that carry out child marriages??</span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Maybe.</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">So? Are you saying its ok in Islam because it is done in other religions as well? What is your point?</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">This is just your opinion. This is how you see it. Some people see it differently. Try telling this to the yeman girl who recently died because of the bleeding from sexual penetration.</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">So? What's your point? Because her marriage brought many things to Islam, people should go around marrying children??</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Thank you. This is honesty and free thinking. Respect.</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Fair enough. So do you agree that they commit this wrongful act and try to justify it in the name of religion???</span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></strong> </p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Respect.</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">What do you mean by 'we'? Muslims in the world? Muslims in SL? Your family? Or you??</span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></strong> </p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">You are missing the point here. Let me try to rephrase it again. </span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">His intention was not to encourage child marriages. - I agree</span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">But disregard what his intentions were his actions have encouraged or given a way to justify child marriages today - Do you agree??</span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Prophet of the GOD, knowing the future should have seen this? - Do you agree?</span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Therefore he should not have done it. - Do you agree?? </span></span></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">This is very true. Spoken with true logic. You are correct. So let me explain where I am coming from and why this interests me.</span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Theists define this deity who is omnipotent, omnimscient, omnipresent and omnibenevolent, The omnimax GOD. You define it, or you know he is there. I do not define anything of GOD or do not expect him to be anything, because I know he is not there. you define his qualities and from your definitions I get the idea and I get the contradictions. Still whatever you believe in or do is totally fine by me and I hold no interest. But when your beliefs and practices go so blind, that you commit crimes against human kind(Such as child abuses), then I have a problem with that. Then I will talk with you, bringing up those contradictions, in your definition of GOD, your prophet, from your stories, trying to bring some sense to you. If a person dares to cross the line between free thinking and blind faith and think for one moment to decide, what I should do to get close to my GOD, and what I should not do, even though they are taught to me from the age of 6, I'm giving that person few things to think about.</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Nope, I do not want a GOD. I know he is not real. It is you who want him. I thought GOD is merciful and he loves his children. I got that from your definitions. Am I wrong?</span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">I thought GOD forgives everything done under his name, even if it means genocides, Holy war, child abuses etc. Am I wrong?</span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">No because a prophet from GOD would never let his actions cause suffering to thousands of others in future.</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">The two things are not similar. But both are wrong.</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">True, you cannot blame entire Muslim community for this. That's why I blame prophet Muhammad, who unintentionally let this happen in the first place, when he knew(Knowing the future) this is gonna happen.</span></span></strong> </p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">I blame muslims, who are against this for not doing anything about it. If you feel your brothers are doing something wrong, do something about it. You are the best people to do that, without making it look like some kind or a religious war.</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">You are kidding right? If a crime happens in any religion its a crime. The thing is crimes are more common in Islam, so naturally people talk more about it. If you wanna discuss any crimes done in other religions, please bring them forward in another thread. Lets discuss them.</span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">The issue is social in some countries(Ex. India). Issue is religious in some countries (Ex. Yeman). And its difficult to define a boundary between social issue and religious issue. Religion is a basis for social practices.</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Again, incidents done in other cultures and religions are not relevant to the topic. </span></span></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Good points and true. </span></span></strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AncientGlory, post: 7302734, member: 262433"] [B][FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]First please explain to me how I am a hypocrite? Then If you want to highlight something happened in the past by all means do so. Jesus or Buddha or Krishna or whatever. I have no problem with that. I'm just highlighting one incident that interests me. You babbling and complaining about it does not make me a hypocrite. And you are damn right when you say you do not know whether I'm a Buddhist or not. YOU DO NOT.[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4] And no one has said you are a hypocrite. Maybe in your mind you assume that you are a hypocrite, but no need to share it in public.[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4] Thank you for accepting this truth.[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]No I do not know that. Are you speaking of 1% of marriages in Islam or 1% of marriages in the countries that carry out child marriages?? [/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]Maybe.[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4] So? Are you saying its ok in Islam because it is done in other religions as well? What is your point?[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]This is just your opinion. This is how you see it. Some people see it differently. Try telling this to the yeman girl who recently died because of the bleeding from sexual penetration.[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]So? What's your point? Because her marriage brought many things to Islam, people should go around marrying children??[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]Thank you. This is honesty and free thinking. Respect.[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]Fair enough. So do you agree that they commit this wrongful act and try to justify it in the name of religion??? [/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]Respect.[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]What do you mean by 'we'? Muslims in the world? Muslims in SL? Your family? Or you?? [/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]You are missing the point here. Let me try to rephrase it again. His intention was not to encourage child marriages. - I agree But disregard what his intentions were his actions have encouraged or given a way to justify child marriages today - Do you agree?? Prophet of the GOD, knowing the future should have seen this? - Do you agree? Therefore he should not have done it. - Do you agree?? [/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]This is very true. Spoken with true logic. You are correct. So let me explain where I am coming from and why this interests me. Theists define this deity who is omnipotent, omnimscient, omnipresent and omnibenevolent, The omnimax GOD. You define it, or you know he is there. I do not define anything of GOD or do not expect him to be anything, because I know he is not there. you define his qualities and from your definitions I get the idea and I get the contradictions. Still whatever you believe in or do is totally fine by me and I hold no interest. But when your beliefs and practices go so blind, that you commit crimes against human kind(Such as child abuses), then I have a problem with that. Then I will talk with you, bringing up those contradictions, in your definition of GOD, your prophet, from your stories, trying to bring some sense to you. If a person dares to cross the line between free thinking and blind faith and think for one moment to decide, what I should do to get close to my GOD, and what I should not do, even though they are taught to me from the age of 6, I'm giving that person few things to think about.[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]Nope, I do not want a GOD. I know he is not real. It is you who want him. I thought GOD is merciful and he loves his children. I got that from your definitions. Am I wrong? I thought GOD forgives everything done under his name, even if it means genocides, Holy war, child abuses etc. Am I wrong? [/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]No because a prophet from GOD would never let his actions cause suffering to thousands of others in future.[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]The two things are not similar. But both are wrong.[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]True, you cannot blame entire Muslim community for this. That's why I blame prophet Muhammad, who unintentionally let this happen in the first place, when he knew(Knowing the future) this is gonna happen.[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4] I blame muslims, who are against this for not doing anything about it. If you feel your brothers are doing something wrong, do something about it. You are the best people to do that, without making it look like some kind or a religious war.[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]You are kidding right? If a crime happens in any religion its a crime. The thing is crimes are more common in Islam, so naturally people talk more about it. If you wanna discuss any crimes done in other religions, please bring them forward in another thread. Lets discuss them. The issue is social in some countries(Ex. India). Issue is religious in some countries (Ex. Yeman). And its difficult to define a boundary between social issue and religious issue. Religion is a basis for social practices.[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]Again, incidents done in other cultures and religions are not relevant to the topic. [/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]Good points and true. [/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [/QUOTE]
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